I'm out

[Mick Meaney]

I've watched a movement that could have once been an effective and credible campaign that focused on very serious issues become something which makes me feel ashamed to be apart of. For years the sensible approach has been ignored in favour of irrational, sensationalistic and unfounded claims. I'm done fighting it. I'm out.

[WyldeChylde]

As an integral part of this movement, I'm sure you're more aware of its current state than I could be, and I'm sure you have dwelled on this decision for some time before reaching your conclusion.

Whilst I do understand what you're saying, can I ask that you elaborate a bit? I mean, this 'movement' is bloody important, and could still in my eyes potentially be very effective. What, in your eyes, needs improving and how?

[telecasterisation]

[jm]

Maybe we can think in terms of 'putting 9/11 Truth on our own table'.

I think about the mentality of those behind the cover-up. What kind of future are they building for the rest of us? How many lives have they destroyed? How many more will they destroy?

I think of bereaved families with tears in their eyes, and of arrogant politicians denying them the truth.

I think of academics and professionals who give us the ammunition to shoot down the official story.

I wish that all the information were laid out neatly in one place, proven & certified as 100% reliable. I guess that would be too easy. So I suffer the unpleasantness of uncivil members of both 'camps'.

I worry about finding the most reliable material. I do get disheartened by the enormity of the 9/11 Truth task.

But I carry on. I am no hero. I am worried about the future. I am horrified and angered by what I believe was mass murder by, or at the behest of, the Bush government on September 11th.

So I do what I can. It's not much. I just feel driven by something inside. A mix of fear, anger and hope.

[scienceplease]

I'm with Jim. I don't know why Mick is burnt out. But this is a subject that will not go away and affects everyone's future.

[TonyGosling]

Moved to controversies

BTW all the best with www.rinf.com Mick it's looking good.

Trying to compete with Google News no wonder you're burning out...

[Newspeak International]

[paul wright]

All respect to Mick. He's one hell of a guy.
Anyway as we know, push is coming to shove very fast, hour by hour, day by day.
Many people stupified currently by TV and other media, left/right ideologies, religious entrancement etc, are going to be forced out of their comfort zones very shortly by the downward spiralling of economic conditions, environmental changes and the spreading mayhem, all caused with deliberation.
The apparatus of state worldwide is being set in place for this.
The diversification of message, while seeming like a weakening of the central 9/11 key, provides additional information that may take root in people's heads or hearts.
We can only do what we can do, and 9/11 is an issue worth constantly pushing, but for our own sanity we can't seem like endlessly looping fools
We have to extend as we have done
This forum and it's two offshoots will continue to do the right thing
We're entering 'valley of death' processes right now, and it's easy to become hopeless as the odds are stacked up against us.
Still, I'm pretty sure we'll come out shining

[chrisc]

[paul wright]

And what's the problem with suggesting that scenario, Chris?
We need to explore all the possibilities. Not fight over them. That only supplies energy to those in control.

[chrisc]

[Mick Meaney]

To answer your questions I'll be writing an article about the truth movement, there's too much to say that can be said in a forum post. It's not burn out and I'm not trying to compete with Google News.

Thanks for your well wishes.

And Chris, still posting that old s**t I see. Milk it for all it's worth fella. You're like a broken record and a prime example of the idiocy within this movement, despite being given an explanation you still insist your conspiracy theory is right. Grow up and look at the facts instead of creating a fantasy world for yourself.

Now let me ask you, do you see my name on that article? Is the article even still on rinf? Do you understand how open publishing works? Being involved with Indymedia you should understand how questionable articles slip through from time to time. Since I've already given you the explanation before, none of what I say will matter since you've already made up your mind without examining the facts.

Now if I were as much of a conspiracy theorist as yourself, I might think that you were the one who published the article to create drama/ start a smear campaign of my site. Of course I don't believe this, but hey making up conspiracy theories is fun right? Anyone can do it

The way you highlight the more bizzare aspects of 9/11 truth you are in fact promoting these theories like a cheerleader. You have in effect (and repeatedly) just distributed that information to a wider audience, so for whoever wrote and published that article have you to thank for still making sure people read (and god forbid) believe it.

[paul wright]

The article provides some small evidence for some of those claims so is not sensational or anything else. It's exploratory mostly
Why are people so hyped up with their own belief systems that they can't allow anything else? I guess its the state of mass hypnosis we're under

[Newspeak International]

[chrisc]

[TonyGosling]

Chris could maybe spend a little of his time finding out why Bristol Indymedia is no longer 'hiding' articles and comments its editors don't approve off the front page but hiding them so they cannot be viewed ie. effectively 'deleting' them.

Yes I know Indymedia is a can of worms m8.

Hiding, in the Indymedia sense...
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/BasicEditorialPolicy
...means not endorsing them on the front page (much like our controversies sections here) but putting them a couple of clicks away. Not making them IMPOSSIBLE to view. Indymedia makes the distinction between hiding and deleting, Bristol Indymedia doesn't.

So as its no longer signed up to the laudable Indymedia policies above then why is it allowed to use the name?

Get the log out of your eye before telling other people how to edit stuff Chris. We do pretty well here balancing big global news with utter poppycock and being transparent in the process. And I think not necessarily you, but Indymedia, could learn a lot from that.

[Dallas]

[chrisc]

[fish5133]

[Mick Meaney]

[chrisc]

[Mick Meaney]

The point Mr Blacker was trying to make outweighed a line at the bottom which mentions some loon, or so I thought at the time.

[chrisc]

[fish5133]

Mick asks

[911Eyewitness]

[gordboy]

... well up to a point.

My difficulties with the antics of some of the people here are well-documented. There is a tendency for people to assume a mantle of smug self-congratulatory grandeur.

The fact of the matter is this :

None of us know the full story. We are losing the battle.

I know that sounds defeatist. But despite that, I'm going to keep on doing what I do, which is bringing people to the 9/11 debate.

And I am going to continue to criticise people here who think they know it all. Simply shouting "We need more unity, all this arguing is pointless" is a waste of time, and shows how little people really understand the long process of change.

In my book, the very first people to shout "Unity" are the very ones who are most to blame for the perceived disunity.

[911Eyewitness]

[outsider]

fish, we're not just talking Northwoods as another 'False Flag' 'casus belli';
there's the 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident'; 'Mr. Polk's War'; probably the 'Maine';
Pearl Harbor ('False Flag' with a difference); it's been a classic way of starting wars through the centuries.

I must admit, I find it incredible that Mick, after so long in the struggle, isn.t sure it was an 'Inside Job'.

Anyhow, here's another clincher video:

If you haven't seen this already, it's well worth watching. Aaron Russo certainly spills the NWO beans (he 'developed' cancer in 2001, after spurning Nick Rockeller's attempt to recruit him, and speaking out on 9/11; he died in 2007):

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918