UK WTC (Whole truth coalition)

[kbo234]

[Mick Meaney]

[Justin]

Mick, my friend, who are you now working for? I can't believe your last two posts. Are you accusing me of working for the 'dark agendas' - because my friend that is precisely what you have done.

I have nailed my colours firmly to the mast of Judy Wood. Why? Because there is physical evidence that cannot, IMHO, be explained by conventional science. Plus, I am extremely suspicious of Steven Jones and his background of trying to wreck Cold Fusion research and his close affiliation to the Mormon Church - a real focal point and vehicle for the NWO/Illuminati.

As for the 'Reptilians', again the evidence is overwhelmng that this is an area worthy of serious research. Listen to that wonderful man, Zulu Shaman Cedo Mutwa, look at the legends, oral traditions and histories of the indigenous peoples around the world and how often reptilian entities come into the picture. And look at cutting edge Quantum Physics which completely changes conventional 'taught in the school' science and turns it on its head. Mick, my friend, you are obviously afraid of going where the evidence takes you.

And what's this rubbish about 'Anti-Semitism'? Are you accusing me of this?

Now to the central part of your extremely strange outburst. The establishment of the Whole Truth Coalition for the UK is simply to provide a clearing house of information to bring people, campaigns and causes together to share common ground. Unlike yourself, we are prepared to pursue TRUTH WITHOUT FEAR.

Time is against all of us - the NWO/Illuminati/call them what you like, are getting ready for their big push to shut the cell door with all of us trapped on the inside. On all fronts (False Flag Terrorism, the undemocratic surge towards a EU Superstate, the assembly by stealth of a Police State, the man-made Global Warming scam, suppressed cures for ill health, electro-magnetic pollution, contrived global starvation and famines, chemtrails, corrupt banking systems that put people and countries into manufactured debt, suppressed 'free' energy sources etc etc) people are waking up and realising that all of this is part of a 'Big Picture'. The Whole Truth Coalition is simply a vehicle or tool to empower and unite fellow campaigners to become more effective.

On the political front, I stand by every word I wrote. The Left are both intellectually bankrupt and moribund. They have given us Blair and now Brown and the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And the Tories are no better as events are engineered to give us Blair Mk2 in the shape of Cameron. The LibDems have lost the plot with their uncritical support of Europe and the Greens (I was in the Green Party from 1978 until 1992, serving for five years on Green Party Council) have signed up unwittingly to be pawns of the NWO and are now a part of the grand plan to rid the planet of 'useless eaters'. The only honest way forward is TRUTHSEEKING.

Sorry, Mick, but I am dumfounded by your outbursts. Is this the same man who helped David Icke with his website and who supported me generously everytime we met. What's happened? Don't you want to be at the cutting edge of finding out the truth? Are you now convinced I am working for the other side? And is RINF still at the cutting edge of finding out the truth about the human condition?

Best wishes as always

Justin

[Andrew Johnson]

[chrisc]

[Andrew Johnson]

[Justin]

ChrisC wrote

[chrisc]

[Stefan]

Mick,
Best of luck with whatever you decide to do in the future. I'm sorry to hear your local group has been taken over by anti-Semites and respect you for disasosiating yourself with them.

Justin,

[Pikey]

[Justin]

Stefan, we shall just have to agree to disagree. My own experience of talking to aborigine elders in Australia and North America leaves me in no doubt because they all talked about reptilian entities coming into their ancestors' lives and affecting their nations.

http://www.reptilianagenda.com/myth/m110199a.shtml

Yes, other living creatures are also used in their imagery to describe legends and great stories but I find the testimony of Credo Mutwa is extremely compelling and if you haven't, I would urge you to listen carefully to what he has to say about his ancestors. And modern day eyewitness accounts of 'shapeshifting' cannot be dismissed out of hand, especially when you take into account what the quantum physicists are finding out. Let's all keep an open mind on this subject.

As regards this.....

[Stefan]

[Justin]

With the greatest respect Stefan it's up to Mick to answer, not yourself. If this group he refers to is the one I go to, then I've never heard one anti-semitic remark in all the time I've been going. Yes, we question Zionism, as most Truthseekers do, but we never ever make fun of or belittle Judaism or the Jewish people. Like Pikey, I await to hear what Mick has to say. If it is our group, I'm not aware of any minutes being taken except by Penny in the early days.

[Mick Meaney]

There really is no point in debating this, some of the comments above and the emails I'm receiving which state that I'm 'working for a dark agenda' have reinforced my opinion that conclusions are reached willy-nilly with little respect for the truth and often filled with speculation and paranoia.

The lines between friendship and the ability to look and debate on an issue objectively have been blurred to the point where; when someone disagrees with you, it is taken as though they have launched an attack on you personally and not your political views. This is cultish.

I'm not entering into a debate here because I've seen it all before and seen how people who disagree with you are treated. The accusations which are made against them and the names they are called. I fully expected to receive the same treatment.

We've had people walking out of events because of what they call anti semitic material, I happen to agree with them.

Here Steve, you asked me to make it public here so let it be on your head when the Watch sites repost it and discredit your cause further.

[Justin]

Mick Meaney said:

[Mick Meaney]

The minutes I posted are 3 years old but very little has changed in that time.

I have walked out of meetings in protest, made my feelings known via email, on the phone and in person for the last 3 years. Whether or not I had been listened to is clear. Steve asked for evidence, he got it. If you want deny any of this that's fine with me.

Holocaust denial sounds pretty anti-semitic to me.
A Jewish conspiracy to rule the world sounds pretty anti-semitic to me.
'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' sound pretty anti-semitic to me.

I've had enough and this new initiative is attempting to combine issues that should never be associated with each other, it's too far.

Also Justin, in one of your emails today, which you sent to others behind my back (very underhanded imo), you stated:

[kbo234]

[Mick Meaney]

[chrisc]

[Mick Meaney]

[kbo234]

[Justin]

Mick Meaney wrote

[Mick Meaney]

I don't drive and depended on others for transport, I don't expect them to leave with me but I have no choice but to return at the end of meetings if I want to make it home that night.

This is just becoming pointless now and I don't see any use in continuing going back and forth.

So instead I'll leave you to ponder this; when I split away from the Cumbria group and formed the Lancaster group we had the involvement / support of pro active groups such as NO2ID and the Stop the War Coalition, we had journalists regularly attending and reporting positively on events, we had the support of teachers, lawers, health care professionals, students and people from all walks of life who had never encountered the information we were presenting but returned on a regular basis bringing their friends and family along.

Now look again at your methods and ask me again who I am working for.

Also it's been pointed out to me that you think that when I speak about anti-semitism I'm referring to you alone. Justin, I am not. The problem is a whole lot bigger than what gets said at Cumbria meetings.

[TonyGosling]

[peacepals]

I am not used to posting any comments on this forum, but as there is mention of a 9/11 Truth Group meeting held three years ago when I took the minutes and several things seem to have been misunderstood along with other views and opinions of various members of that same group, I feel it is now time to set some records straight.

Having taught in a big comprehensive school for 27 years, I am aware that no two people view the same situation in an identical way. In other words we see the world not as it is, but as we are.

So, although I have slept a few times since those early meetings, I have to say that I am struggling to piece together several of Mick Meaney's comments which have resulted in mouths of other members of our little group dropping open as mine did, when I read the posts.

Never have any of our core group group members leaned even slightly towards the description of 'Anti-semitic.!' What a preposterous idea and that is one avenue which I am shirking at the prospect of even discussing as it is a sheer waste of time!

The Cumbria (or then Kirkby Lonsdale) 9/11 Truth Group started as a group of like minded people who were happy to share ideas, research, DVDs, etc. etc. and also to offer genuine help when needed. Justin offered us lifts to London to take part in Stop the War marches and Pikey, Maureen and I spent hours helping David Boyle get his new exhibition site ready for opening. (To name just two instances.... There have been others..)

We have never been any thing else but a friendly group of kind hearted people who have really enjoyed embarking on one of the biggest learning curves of our lives and who have been more than willing to communicate that new knowledge to as many people as we could.

We were able to offer hands on help in Manchester in 2005 when Jimmy Walter facilitated the very first 9/11 conference with many speakers including David Shayler and Willy Rodriquez. What an event that was!

We have confronted our MP as a group on more than one occasion and also hosted William Rodriquez last year when 200 people almost filled the Victoria Hall here in sleepy old Grange-Over-Sands.
What a success story!

It is very sad to read the descriptions that Mick has put on this forum and I cannot for the life of me understand why he is taking this stance, when we are all trying to do the same thing and help people wake up to the truth - that we have been mind controlled and manipulated for centuries - even thousands of years by an unseen group of beings, who call themselves the 'Global Elite.'

We all have reptilian DNA in our bodies as we have definitely been genetically engineeered many, many years ago and my dowsing reveals that this is a low percentage for most of us - around 10% unless you happen to be a member of the thirteen family blood lines who rule in the shadows, or indeed a member of the royal family or aristocrcy. Then, the reptilian DNA can reach 90%, which is a sobering thought. We have a reptilian part of our brain and that cannot be denied.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but I go along with Justin and Ickey and Michael Tsarion and of course David Boyle - but I had not even read one of David Icke's books when our meetings first started, so my personal leanring curve has been really huge.

Now to bring things up to date a little. It is news to me Mick that you walked out of our meetings. I thought you went out to have a fag and you always came back!!

Also, I seem to remember helping you out when you organised events in Lancaster and never remember any discordant feelings towards our little group at all.

I can't remember e-mails coming from you to disagree with our core beliefs, except a lot of stuff about the first part of 'Zeitgeist.'
Anyway 'Ring of Power' is a better film....

In fact I do remember that you always put any events we organised on your web site, which was a great help and much appreciated.

Personally I agree with Andrew Johnson, Belinda, Dr. Judy Wood and John Hutchison in that secret, advanced weapon technology was used to disintegrate the tons of concrete from the twin towers to dust and this weapon used Zero Point Energy. Check the evidence (Andrew's site tells all) and it is impossible to refute what is actually recorded on film.

Mick mentions Justin telling everyone at our first Truthseekers (NW) meeting about his belief in the reptilian agenda and I can't remember that at all. He did talk privately about the reptilian hybrids to a friend of mine who stood by the bar and I listened and agreed with him. This was a private conversation and we didn't know that Mick's girlfriend was listening in. She wrote a very strange impersonal letter of complaint directly to Ian Crane who was chairman at that time and we had a job believing that she could actually do that.

She did send a copy to Justin, so he was able to respond, so on reflection there have been some disagreements in the past which can easily happen within any group. But I honestly thought that was sorted out.

If there is one saying that I have learned since living up here in the NW and often use when describing a strange situation involving people it is this one :- "There's nowt as queer as folks."

So Mick - sorry to disagree with you, but we are not and never have been anything like a 'cult...!!

You haven't been to our two Truthseeker gatherings we have arranged so far and so are not really in the picture as to how we are widening our horizons to 'be the change we want to see in the world.'

Our gatherings are platforms which give like minded people the opportunity to share ideas, inventions, therapies etc. under the loose description of 'SELF-EMPOWERMENT, SELF HEALING AND ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.' There has been a deliberate emphasis on the above themes instead of just concentrating on 9/11, as most of us believe that what you concentrate on, you actually empower with your own energy.

The last thing we want to do is to disempower ourselves and give all that lovely energy away to the 'Powers that Were.'

9/11 Truth Movement has been the catalyst and the means whereby like minded people have had the opportunity to come together and share so much. We will always be grateful for this and acknowledge the place it has had in our lives.

All power to your elbows as you are all great people who deserve the best in life. We all deserve spanking, sparkling good health, oodles of energy and masses of good humour. I am afraid that picking over the past and contradicting/criticising valued group memebers is not where I am coming from at all. So I will finish with the following statement:-

Belinda, Justin and Andrew's new initiative - 'The Whole Truth Coalition' is right up my street and I give it my full support. In fact I handed out hundreds of A5 fliers outside Brixton Academy on May 24th. before Ickey's presentation.

So let's all move on and be positive as we are all trying to achieve the same thing and that is freedom of the body and mind where love and compassion rule OK.

From Penny (Grange-Over-Sands.)

PS I am a pendulum dowser and can find out anything in any time line. I can predict that by the end of 2010, much of 9/11 truth and other conspiracy facts will be out in the open any way.

Truth is on the march and nothing will stop it.

[paul wright]

Anyway and what the f*ck. Everone who has contributed to this thread is a lovely and genuine person. I think I've met and appreciated them all, apart from kbo whom I don't doubt at all,I can picture everyone of them in my minds eye and know what they've given me in terms of personal growth. So what's all the squabbling about?
It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense
possibly truthseekers are being scrambled in advance of very limited exposure of truth
We need to be very united at this time
Factionalism always happens at their behest.This is the usual trap. It's bollox as usual

[Mick Meaney]

[Justin]

Mick,

So it's 'racism' now is it? I continue to be appalled by your slur that our group have displayed any anti-semitic views or feelings during our meetings. You said you had all the minutes to our meetings which prove this - well, paste them up and let's see.

Please look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY&feature=related

By us condemning Zionism you are accusing me and the group of anti-semitism.....I reaally thought you were better informed.

[Mick Meaney]

Justin, on more than one occasion it's been said "the Jews control everything" type bs, granted neither you or Steve have ever said that but you cannot deny that it's tolerated.

[Justin]

I do deny it - it is certainly not tolerated.

You are now diluting your position - you said our group were anti-semitic, so let's see the evidence.