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spiv Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Congratulations... |
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My hearty congratulations and respect goes out today to Mr David Davis, the only MP in the House of Commons who seems to have the guts to stand up and be counted as this present bunch of war criminals, led by Gordon Brown, continue to steal and ignore our legal and basic freedoms and rights.
Well done Mr Davis, and I hope that this does indeed trigger a great nationwide debate about our rights and freedoms, and not based upon the propaganda, obfuscation and lies surrounding the myth of 9/11 and other likely state led false flag 'terrorist' attacks. Even in the heady days of the IRA, our freedoms were not under attack by these NuLabour Government criminals. |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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David Davis resigns from Commons
Shadow home secretary David Davis has resigned as an MP.
He is to force a by-election in his Haltemprice and Howden constituency which he will fight on the issue of the new 42-day terror detention limit.
Mr Davis told reporters outside the House of Commons he believed his move was a "noble endeavour" to stop the erosion of British civil liberties.
The 59-year-old is one of the best known Tory MPs and his resignation came as a complete surprise in Westminster.
He told reporters outside the Commons: "I will argue in this by-election against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this government."
BBC Political Editor said it was an extraordinary move which was almost without precedent in British politics.
'Personal decision'
Shadow attorney general Dominic Grieve is to take over as shadow home secretary.
I feel it is incumbent on me to make a stand - David Davis
Asked about Mr Davis' resignation, Tory leader David Cameron said: "It was a personal decision, a decision he has made."
He said it was a "courageous" move and he hoped Conservatives would support Mr Davis's by-election campaign.
But he stressed the work of the shadow home secretary - on knife crime and other issues - "must go on" and he praised the man replacing him, Dominic Grieve, as a "star performer".
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg, who also voted against 42 day detention, said his party would not be fielding a candidate in the by-election, after speaking to Mr Davis.
'Stunt'
Labour MP Denis MacShane said he was sure Mr Davis would win the by-election but added "I think this will be seen as a stunt" which showed the Conservatives were "utterly unfit" for government.
The former Europe Minister said he thought Mr Cameron had "cut the ground from under David Davis by not pledging to repeal 42 days" if the Tories won the next election.
But he said Mr Davis' decision to resign was "a bad day for Parliament" and said he did not personally think Labour should run a candidate against him in the by-election.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm
In full: Davis statement
Here is the full text of the statement David Davis read out to reporters announcing his resignation:
Quote: | Up until yesterday, I took the view that what we did in the House of Commons representing our constituents was a noble endeavour because with centuries or forebears we defended the freedoms of the British people. Well we did up until yesterday.
This Sunday is the anniversary of Magna Carta - the document that guarantees that most fundamental of British freedoms - Habeus Corpus.
The right not to be imprisoned by the state without charge or reason. Yesterday this house decided to allow the state to lock up potentially innocent British citizens for up to six weeks without charge.
Now the counter terrorism bill will in all probability be rejected by the House of Lords very firmly. After all, what should they be there for if not to defend Magna Carta.
But because the impetus behind this is essentially political - not security - the government will be tempted to use the Parliament Act to over-rule the Lords. It has no democratic mandate to do this since 42 days was not in its manifesto.
Its legal basis is uncertain to say the least. But purely for political reasons, this government's going to do that. And because the generic security arguments relied on will never go away - technology, development and complexity and so on, we'll next see 56 days, 70 days, 90 days.
But in truth, 42 days is just one - perhaps the most salient example - of the insidious, surreptitious and relentless erosion of fundamental British freedoms.
And we will have shortly, the most intrusive identity card system in the world.
A CCTV camera for every 14 citiziens, a DNA database bigger than any dictatorship has, with 1000s of innocent children and a million innocent citizens on it.
We have witnessed an assault on jury trials - that balwark against bad law and its arbitrary use by the state. Short cuts with our justice system that make our system neither firm not fair.
And the creation of a database state opening up our private lives to the prying eyes of official snoopers and exposing our personal data to careless civil servants and criminal hackers.
The state has security powers to clamp down on peaceful protest and so-called hate laws that stifle legitimate debate - while those who incite violence get off Scot free.
This cannot go on, it must be stopped. And for that reason, I feel that today it's incumbent on me to take a stand.
I will be resigning my membership of the House and I intend to force a by-election in Haltemprice and Howden.
Now I'll not fight it on the government's general record - there's no point repeating Crewe and Nantwich. I won't fight it on my personal record. I am just a piece in this great chess game.
I will fight it, I will argue this by-election, against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this government.
Now, that may mean I've made my last speech to the House - it's possible. And of course that would be a matter of deep regret to me. But at least my electorate, and the nation as a whole, would have had the opportunity to debate and consider one of the most fundamental issues of our day - the ever-intrusive power of the state into our lives, the loss of privacy, the loss of freedom and the steady attrition undermining the rule of law.
And if they do send me back here it will be with a single, simple message: that the monstrosity of a law that we passed yesterday will not stand. |
_________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: David Davies calls a by-election |
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ian neal wrote: | What to make of this pro-war MP standing up for civil liberties against database state? |
Not too sure of the link, if any, between his voting record on going to war and standing up for civil liberties and against the ever encroaching database state.
The background is that Davies said yesterday on GMTV that the Tories would almost certainly repeal the 42 day detention clause if the bill became law.
It has been reported that he was "rebuked" over this by Cameron and so decided to resign to force a by election so that the great unwashed could have a debate and use the by election as a vote on the 42 days.
The Lib Dems have already said that they will not field a candidate to oppose Davies in the by election.
Murdoch lickspittle Adam "fan of New Labour" Boulton, "interviewing" the new shadow foreign secretary Dominic Grieve was spinning the resignation as a "prank" and Sky for one are certainly running with the Tories in disarray line, as were the BBC, claiming that this would now show the tories to be disunited.
Meanwhile Brown gets off scot free at his monthly "press conference" by denying he did any deals with the DUP and, get this: claiming those that are making these accusations are impuning the integrity of the DUP MP's who voted for the bill.
So, supporters of the bill are portrayed as voting on principle and Davies who resigns on principle is portrayed as a crank. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Congratulations... |
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spiv wrote: | Even in the heady days of the IRA, our freedoms were not under attack by these NuLabour Government criminals. |
Unless you lived in 'Free Derry' in which case internship was v similar
Whilst I agreed with most of what David Davies was saying in his announcement, his support of an illegal war undermine his credibility |
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Linda Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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well done Davis, I just hope he is not just doing this for publicity for the Conservative party. Is this his Robin Cook moment?
Has he just created a rod for his back.
Or has he CREATED political suicide for his self?
I don't trust any politician as far as i can throw them. |
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Jayhawk Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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The BBCs considered view:
"Then, out he came, and made what can only be described as a most bizarre statement justifying his decision.
Nothing to do with his pre-emptive comments (although many still feel that he and Mr Cameron may well have rowed despite the denials by the Tory press office) but in fact Mr Davis was making a personal principled stand.
He said the 42-day law was a "monstrosity" and part of the "government's slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms"
How is this bizarre? Only in the sense that for once a politician has made a stand on a principle!
Congratulations David Davis - and I cant stand the tories... |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Congratulations... |
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ian neal wrote: | spiv wrote: | Even in the heady days of the IRA, our freedoms were not under attack by these NuLabour Government criminals. |
Unless you lived in 'Free Derry' in which case internship was v similar
Whilst I agreed with most of what David Davies was saying in his announcement, his support of an illegal war undermine his credibility |
Internment in the 6 northern counties of the island of Ireland was far, far worse than 42 days pre-charge detention.
Spiv's point, I interpreted to be in relation to anti-terrorism procedures on the UK mainland.
It is a fair comparison and a point that has been made before, although not anyway near enough or forcefully enough imo to counter the current drive to incarcerate innocent citizens for 42 days and who knows, even longer.
Back then we had a temporary prevention of terrorism act, which had to be renewed by parliament each year.
Ironically it was John Major's government which commissioned Lord Lloyd of Berwick to look at anti terror legislation in 1996. That ickle review resulted in the current framework, starting with TACT 2000, which was written by Professor Paul Wilkinson at Stirling University, funded by the Economic and Social Research Council and Washington Policy and Analysis Inc., with support from RAND terrorologist Dr Bruce Hoffman.
The standard response from government and security forces to the comparison with Irish terrorism, is that the nature of the threat is different, which may explain why London 7/7 had to be portrayed as suicide bombings and "home grown" ones at that.
As far as David Davies integrity is concerned, vis his support on the illegal invasion of Iraq, I agree that he was wrong as were all that voted for it and further that they are legally severally responsible and therefore legally answerable to charges of war crimes and genocide.
That said Ian, if you look at the voting record of any of the New Labour members who voted against this bill you will see massive apparently contradictory positions on invading Iraq, on the proposal to investigate the decision to invade Iraq, on ID cards etc etc.
You will see that some voted strongly for the invasion and then voted strongly against terrorism measures. You will also see that some voted strongly against the invasion and then strongly for terrorism measures. I also looked at the voting on ID cards and it's hard to see any coherence in any of it with one or two exceptions.
What does this mean?
PS: I don't vote tory either. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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scienceplease Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Jayhawk wrote: |
Congratulations David Davis - and I cant stand the tories... |
I agree. This may be a tactic to allow the House of Lords to reject the law. The commons can overturn the Lords but maybe won't if public opinion is so much against 42 days.
Stunt? Possiby. But if you are doing a stunt, I can't think of a better reason for doing a stunt.
Just think: 42 days, locked up with no reason given. And in the meantime there are er... "agents"... producing, indeed manufacturing, the evidence to send you to jail for a very long time. |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: David Davies calls a by-election |
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amazing how the Labour supporters find fault
David Davis is a hero for doing this.
As he said, Labour is the most extreme in the whole world.
No country in Europe locks people up without charge or evidence or being allowed to see a solicitor for six weeks.
The longest anywhere in Europe is Seven days.
Across the entire world the only so called democratic country that locks up for longer is Australia 14 days.
So Labour really is the new Nazi party.
All the labour apologists who keep carping on telling people not to vote elsewhere because it wont make any difference are totally wrong.
Conservatives have always stood for personal freedom and liberty.
Under the conservatives convicted IRA murderers would go to jail for about 12 years on average.
Under Labour thought crimes are punished with 30 year sentances.
Failure to disclose information today 3 people have recieved 35 years in total.
Meanwhile actual terrorists like the Afghan plane highjacker was released after a couple of years and allowed to work as a cleaaner at Heathrow airport.
David Davis is a former TA officer. So unlike the back seat Labour tin hat brigade he is prepared to wear the uniform.
The conservatives have promised to repeal 42 day summary detention when they are elected. New shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve has stated this. _________________
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Jayhawk Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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karlos wrote:
Quote: | The conservatives have promised to repeal 42 day summary detention when they are elected. New shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve has stated this |
So why the supposed contretemps between Cameron and Davis because Davis promised this without checking, implying that Cameron was planning to backtrack? |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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That is the media spin.
Dont forget BBC and Sky support Labour
as does the Murdoch press, the Guardian and the Mirror.
Only the Telegraph is 100% blue these days _________________
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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karlos wrote: | That is the media spin. |
David Davies confirmed that this evening on the BBC News, speaking to Nick Robinson. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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xmasdale Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think this development offers us an opportunity. Labour and Lib Dems are not going to stand against him. That means that minor parties and independents are likely to get some publicity in the forthcoming by-election.
There will undoubtedly by anti-war candidates. Does anyone fancy standing as an anti-war, pro-liberty, pro-truth candidate?
If so, let it not be someone who carries the baggage of the reptilian agenda theory. If anything is likely to bring bad publicity to us it is the reptilian theory and anti-semitism. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Xmasdale
A good idea.....
I would recommend ........Justin or Ian Crane.... |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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But surely David Davies is one of the good guys, why would you want to stand against him?
We didnt stand against Ken Livingstone after all and he was the pits.
Gordon Brown is too much of a coward to put up a candidate and has enlisted the Rupert Murdoch lackey and ass wipe Kelvin 'MacKenzie'.
So do you guys really want to throw your lot in with them now?
By opposing David Davies you are supporting Six Week summary detention, ID cards, DNA database and much more besides.
Wrong move in my opinion. _________________
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon ego's
No sense in splitting an anti-establishment vote
David Davies has clearly upset the nice City corporate Tory applecart here
also see this today
Poll reveals huge public support for David Davis's decision to force by-election over Government terror laws
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026487/Poll-reveals-huge-supp ort-David-Davis-decision-force-election.html
By Simon Walters
Last updated at 9:43 AM on 15th June 2008
David Davis has massive public support for his shock move to force a by-election over the Government’s decision to detain terror suspects for up to 42 days without charge.
And he is set to win a historic and decisive victory in his Haltemprice and Howden seat, near Hull – as the first opinion poll carried out in the constituency proves.
The ICM survey for The Mail on Sunday shows overwhelming backing for former Shadow Home Secretary Mr Davis.
Despite his shock decision to resign, David Davis has massive support in his constituency of Haltemprice and Howden, near Hull
It reveals that he would easily beat former Sun Editor Kelvin MacKenzie – who has said he plans to contest the seat on a ‘pro-42 day’ ticket – by 67 per cent to 14.
And significantly, it shows there is widespread support in the constituency for Mr Davis’s claim that the Government has turned into a ‘Big Brother’ state – while violent criminals go scot-free.
Following sharp criticism of Mr Davis from Labour and Tory enemies alike, the former SAS reservist received a series of boosts as:
* Sun owner Rupert Murdoch disowned Mr MacKenzie’s campaign after he insulted ‘shocking’ Hull.
* The chairman of the pressure group Liberty, Shami Chakrabarti, praised Mr Davis – and is to help a ‘Celebrities for Davis’ operation.
* Labour rebel Bob Marshall-Andrews and other Left-wing MPs will support Mr Davis in the election.
Mr Davis’s decision to resign his seat stunned friend and foe.
Most of his closest political friends and allies were kept in the dark about it and have described it as ‘madness’ and ‘a rush of blood to the head’.
A source very close to David Cameron, who defeated Mr Davis in the Tory leadership contest three years ago, called the maverick MP ‘selfish and arrogant’.
But the ICM survey shows that Mr Davis has strong support from his constituency...... _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org
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acrobat74 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: | ... an anti-establishment vote |
But is it really?
The best way to control the outcome of a conflict is to control both sides of the debate; this is probably the most ingenious technique of the sad elitists (they may be sick psychopaths but they're also smart and well-read).
Averell Harriman (Democrat) opposed George W. Bush (Republican) in public, but in essence worked toward the same agenda.
In public, the bankers opposed government legislation that paved the way for the Federal Reserve act, even though they had drafted it themselves.
In this case, Davis obviously saw the win-win prospect for himself after his stunt took place: he's sure to be re-elected with an elevated status as a champion of civil liberties (although obviously not of Iraqi ones).
Of course, this assessment is nothing but speculation and it could be proven wrong.
There may exist high-ranking British politicians in 2008 who, after reaching the higher echelons of business (director for Tate & Lyle) and mainstream party politics, selflessly decide to put themselves aside (at least for a short while) to promote the Magna Carta.
PS: it also strikes me that some seem to be 'partially' out of the matrix of party politics. _________________ Summary of 9/11 scepticism: http://tinyurl.com/27ngaw6 and www.911summary.com
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IanFantom Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: An opportunity |
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How about getting as many events staged in the constituency as possible between now and the bye-election?
Such as showing of Loose Change Final Cut, or Zero, or Elephant in the Room, or Taking Liberties.
Or public lectures like the ones we've been having in London.
Or book signing sessions in the local bookshops?
Whatever happens, this bye-election is going to throw the whole issue of civil liberties into focus, and sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq on false pretences is definately a civil liberties issue.
I think we should encourage David Davies to take these issues seriously, but without pushing him into a corner.
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Definitely some show should be put into this constituency.
Davies is a pro-war pro-hanging scam artiste
He's most definitely not one of us, though his utterances on this are obviously correct
He offers us an opportunity for a take on this
Perhaps the Hull Green candidate - I forget his name - might take this on board
I'm pretty sure that the Yorks truthers might want to take this on _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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xmasdale Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: | C'mon ego's
No sense in splitting an anti-establishment vote. |
I don't think a candidate from the 9/11 Truth Campaign would appreciably split an anti-establishment vote. Without opponents from Labour or Lib Dem, Davis will get a huge majority.
My suggestion of us running a candidate was in order to get some publicity. Some of our supporters support the Tories, yes, but not many, and even fewer support the War which Davies does.
I'd say some of our Yorkshire supporters would have the best chance of being able to handle contesting the by-election.
The point is not to win, but to publicise the degree to which the issue of erosion of civil liberties, on which we agree with David Davis, springs from the War on Terror (which he supports) which in turn springs from false-flag operations which, as a former SAS man, he might have some suspicions about. |
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acrobat74 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: David Davis - what's really going on ? |
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http://stefzucconi.blogspot.com/2008/06/slugs.html
Stef wrote: | Now I may be barking up the wrong tree here (I'm nursing a shocking cold), and I'm more than open to being put straight, but it does look like Davis’ campaign url was registered by an employee of a PR company, headed by someone who thinks ID cards are f* ace, and subsequently re-registered to Davis’ name and address only today |
Stef wrote: |
It does put the politician's stance on ID cards into perspective. Not very principled to say the least.
I think DD probably did quit on what he consciously believed to be a matter of principle. The 42 days (as opposed to 28 days before that) could simply have been the straw that broke the camel's back
He also possibly had a moment of clarity and realised that he was going to get the shaft if/ when Cameron came into power
Once that happened a damage limitation exercise kicked in. Not because of anything DD is personally capable of achieving but because his stunt may have sparked off unforeseen, uncontrollable consequences amongst the proles
- Someone from the PR agency he's dealt before with would have given him a call offering to handle things and booked a few domain names
- The professional spooks/ shills and useful idiots would have been mobilised to drape themselves all over Davis' campaign like a cheap suit
None of which necessarily requires any centralised control just a homeostatic response from a self-equilibriating system
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Some good investigative work there.
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Barker Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: Haltemprice and Howden By election 2008 |
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It would be a nice gesture to see someone stand in this by election against David Davis on a 911 truth ticket, an ideal opportunity to tell the truth about the war on terror and about Rupert Murdock and other's involvement
If David Davis is concerned about Human Rights then he and eveyone should know that 911, 77 and the middle east oil wars are among the biggest contraventions against Human Rights in the last 60 years |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I do sincerely believe that the truth movement should stand in elections and raise our profile.
However, this is the wrong person to oppose. We do after all agree with David Davies on the issues he is standing on.
Parliamentary elections only cost £500 to stand so it is not a large barrier.
Personally i want to see Labour suffer another humiliating defeat. If Gordon Brown is too much of a coward to even put up a candidate and uses Murdoch ass wipe Kelvin MacKenzie instead this will still lead to a whole heap of scorn on Labour as it will be unprecidented for a ruling party not to take part in an election. _________________
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The party formerly known as Labour have announced today that they are not standing.
As for David "champion of civil liberties" Davis, what was so right for him about 28 days and yet so wrong about 42 one has to ask. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Haltemprice and Howden By election 2008 |
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Barker wrote: | It would be a nice gesture to see someone stand in this by election against David Davis on a 911 truth ticket, an ideal opportunity to tell the truth about the war on terror and about Rupert Murdock and other's involvement |
We would push David Davis into opposing us, the public would not understand, and David Davis would win.
Quote: | If David Davis is concerned about Human Rights then he and eveyone should know that 911, 77 and the middle east oil wars are among the biggest contraventions against Human Rights in the last 60 years |
If we support his stance on civil liberties in the UK, the issue has got to eventually lead back to 9/11. The key fact here is that Osama bin Laden was not wanted by the FBI for anything to do with 9/11. Therefore the basis of the war on terror has to be phoney. They are dismantling our democracy on the basis of a lie.
I don't know what David Davis's view is on 9/11, but he has to say things that are believable by the public. For all we know, he may be hoping that by focusing on civil liberties and the maintenance of democracy in the UK, he will be creating the conditions for the public to come to an acceptance of what others are saying about 9/11.
But then he may not. Either way, I think that's how it's going to turn out if we generally support his campaign against tyranny, and at the same time try to bring the electorate's attention to the 9/11 issue. After all, that's what it's all about.
Regards,
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