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Frazzel Angel - now passed away
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if the prog gets made, it could give us an opportunity to hold public meetings around the country on an answer to the beeb's prog. i bet we could get alot of public interest. _________________ "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" Martin Luther king |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Frazzel wrote: | if the prog gets made, it could give us an opportunity to hold public meetings around the country on an answer to the beeb's prog. i bet we could get alot of public interest. |
Spot on. The publicity the programme will bring may just fibrilate the campaign back to life. Certainly it will be beneficial.
Guzman wrote: | Q: So if someone believes in good honest journalism and that the BBC should be an independent public-spirited organisation, then where does that leave them?
A: As a non-participant like J7 and LD. |
Ok, so if J7 believe in good honest journalism why do they have hundreds of backlinks to the BBC website quoting it as their sole source for much information?
J7 are already non participants - a virtual campaign. That is precisely the problem. LD as far as i have been told is one man who has also used BBC as the source for his one internet documentary and has still not produced a follow up despite the obvious need.
I agree the BBC is the most corrupt and amoral cabal of zionists and Labour supporters. So why quote BBC sources at all? Is that a 'principled stance'?
at the moment there is no alternative
work with the BBC and hopefully use it as a launchpad for an effective 7/7 campaign
the bbc2 show will be followed up with online discussions on the bbc website and probably radio4 discussions
it will also result in a massive increase in internet searches for info about 7/7
alot of people who watch it will 'wake up' for the first time about 7/7
that has to be a good thing
Please explain how those who are abdicating their duty to take part are helping the victims, the families, the survivors and the accused. British Muslims are paying the price for a crime that was committed by others. Even the MCB is brainwashing British Muslims into believing they are guilty.
If this programme succeeds in waking up a number of people then that will be well worth it. Ofcourse we know the show will never be as detailed or as realistic as 'the Ripple Effect' but it will hopefully get people thinking. _________________
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: | What exactly is your problem with the Kelly & Oklahoma programmes?
I mean, aren't we on one far tip of the spread of national opinion on 7/7.
Even if we are right the doc has to express opposing views.
ian neal wrote: | Given CF and the director's track records I believe J7's stance is the correct one, much as it pains me to turn up a chance to get our message across. |
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The Oklahoma doc was bs of the highest order
Of course the BBC has to present opposing views in a balanced and impartial way (atleast according to their charter) although they should have got the investigators to defend the official position rather than hve assorted talking heads many of whom were irrelevant eg the X files director. |
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landless peasant Moderate Poster
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I struggle to believe that people here think a BBC 7/7 CF programme will be anything other than a hit piece of the highest order. When will you wake up?
J7 are right not to get involved in this as it will obviously be yellow churnalism.
Forget MSM don't look for help there CUZ U ANIT GONNA GET IT!!!! |
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Prole Validated Poster
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landless peasant wrote: | I struggle to believe that people here think a BBC 7/7 CF programme will be anything other than a hit piece of the highest order. When will you wake up?
J7 are right not to get involved in this as it will obviously be yellow churnalism.
Forget MSM don't look for help there CUZ U ANIT GONNA GET IT!!!! |
When J7 were asked to participate in a Ch 4 documentary 'Who Really Runs the World' we met with a very charming researcher and equally convincing director, Jonah Weston. We were led to believe that a meeting would be set up and filmed with the police where we could ask many of the outstanding questions, this then developed into a meeting with Rachel North, tastelessly on a tube train and then later, in a pub. At this point we withdrew, realising that we were being sold a pup.
The final programme was a shameless piece, and we were relieved not to have fallen for all the smooth talking (basically lies) - an analysis of its central theme can be viewed here:
http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2008/02/smell-of-french-leman-conspir aloon.html
To reiterate the words of the wise landless peasant:
Forget MSM don't look for help there CUZ U ANIT GONNA GET IT!!!! _________________ 'The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'. JFK |
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guzman Minor Poster
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Prole wrote: | landless peasant wrote: | I struggle to believe that people here think a BBC 7/7 CF programme will be anything other than a hit piece of the highest order. When will you wake up?
J7 are right not to get involved in this as it will obviously be yellow churnalism.
Forget MSM don't look for help there CUZ U ANIT GONNA GET IT!!!! |
When J7 were asked to participate in a Ch 4 documentary 'Who Really Runs the World' we met with a very charming researcher and equally convincing director, Jonah Weston. We were led to believe that a meeting would be set up and filmed with the police where we could ask many of the outstanding questions, this then developed into a meeting with Rachel North, tastelessly on a tube train and then later, in a pub. At this point we withdrew, realising that we were being sold a pup.
The final programme was a shameless piece, and we were relieved not to have fallen for all the smooth talking (basically lies) - an analysis of its central theme can be viewed here:
http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2008/02/smell-of-french-leman-conspir aloon.html
To reiterate the words of the wise landless peasant:
Forget MSM don't look for help there CUZ U ANIT GONNA GET IT!!!! |
WYTC's rejection of the opportunity to appear on the progamme
Quote: | 4 DOCUMENTARY
19 March 2007
It is with regret that the West Yorkshire Truth Campaign (www.wytruth.org.uk) must decline a request by Jonah Weston MD of Form Media (www.formmedia.co.uk) to discuss 911 evidence for a for Channel 4 documentary with the working title “Who Really Runs the World?”
Researchers around the world have uncovered many aspects of the official accounts of what happened during the attacks on September 11th, 2001 which are not in accordance with the known facts. This shows that the public have not been told the truth about what happened that day. The facts themselves demonstrate that there is a significant possibility that this event was an example of state sponsored terrorism.
The objective of the West Yorkshire Truth Campaign is to promote the 9/11 Truth Network’s belief that there has been a cover up regarding the attacks in the USA on September, 11th 2001. Furthermore, the Campaign aim’s to promote the fact that there is strong evidence that these events were False Flag1 terrorist attacks perpetrated by the state.
The West Yorkshire Truth Campaign along with the 911 Truth Campaign (Britain & Ireland) is calling for an independent public inquiry into this event in order to set the official version of events straight. Great Britain, along with the United States of America and other nations, currently have thousands of Service Men and Women in harms way in two war zones as a direct result of the attack of September 11th, 2001 and the ensuing War on Terror.
Firstly, the West Yorkshire Truth Campaign does not claim to know “who really runs the world”. Secondly, the West Yorkshire Truth Campaign does not intend to take part in a documentary which will purportedly discuss themes about wild “Conspiracy Theories”2.
The inclusion of the 911 Truth with these subjects makes a mockery of the fight for justice for the victims of the 9/11 attacks, of the fallen in Service Men and Women in Afghanistan and Iraq, and of the many thousands of civilians of those nations have been invaded and remain in chaos under the name of fighting War on Terror.
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TonyGosling Editor
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Tony advises 'Grasp the Nettle'
Yet with the present Zionist/NWO stranglehold on the Beeb, I would imagine 'Grasp the rotten fruit full of wasps and worms' might be more appropriate?
I applaud landless peasant for crystal-clear thinking on this issue.
When the Bliar Bullsh*t Cabal can once again offer something of the quality, depth and honesty of 'Power of Nightmares', they might just regain the merest smidgeon of respect.
Until then, best avoided...
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Prole Validated Poster
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Quote: | Fury as BBC gives money to disgraced Holocaust denier who 'pestered bereaved families after the 7/7 bombing'
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:30 PM on 10th June 2008
Hired by the BBC: Nicholas Kollerstrom claims the 7/7 attacks were an intelligence agency plot
The BBC paid expenses to a disgraced academic who has pestered families bereaved by the 7/7 bombs, claiming the attacks were an intelligence agency plot.
Nicholas Kollerstrom was recompensed by the corporation for his part in Conspiracy Files, a documentary about theories surrounding the terrorist outrage.
He has admitted he phoned the father of one victim to tell him how he believed the man's daughter's body had been planted at the site of the Tavistock Square bus bombing.
The victim's family has described the phone call and subsequent claims posted on a website as 'very upsetting'.
He has also been accused of pestering the relatives of victims and survivors of 7/7.
Dr Kollerstrom believes the four bombers who murdered 52 people almost three years ago were 'innocent patsies', set up by a combination of the British, US and Israeli secret services.
Sean Cassidy, 60, whose 22-year-old son Ciaran was killed in the blast at Russell Square Tube, said today: 'It is appalling the BBC are paying this man's expenses. They should not be giving him a platform.
'This programme is disgraceful and we can do without it. The families are aware of this man but have been trying to avoid him. He has caused a lot of upset.'
John Taylor, whose daughter Carrie died at Aldgate, said: 'For the BBC to actually fund somebody like this is totally disgraceful. One or two families have been sent nasty videos of conspiracy theories and it is not very nice.
'He is helping the terrorists more than anything and I am not happy with the BBC giving him a platform.'
A spokesman for the corporation confirmed Dr Kollerstrom had been paid expenses for such things as rail travel for his part in the BBC2 documentary but not a fee and added: 'The BBC's Conspiracy Files series investigates whether there is any truth to the many conspiracy theories which have grown up around terrorist attacks.
The spokesman added that Dr Kollerstrom was also quizzed about his denial of the Holocaust.
'Nicholas Kollerstrom has advanced a number of theories about these attacks which will be investigated in detail by the BBC.'
Dr Kollerstrom, 61, from Belsize Park, said the corporation had paid his expenses for trips to Leeds, where he attempted to meet the family of the 7/7 ringleader Mohammad Sidique Khan and relatives of the other bombers.
Distress: Dr Kollerstrom is accused of phoning a father of a Tavistock Square victim to tell him the body had been planted at the scene
Dr Kollerstrom took flowers to the parents of Aldgate bomber Shehzad Tanweer but they refused to see him.
Dr Kollerstrom was last month stripped of an honorary research fellowship at University College London after it emerged he had written a paper entitled The Auschwitz "Gas Chamber" Illusion on a far-Right website - claiming it was like a holiday camp where inmates sunned themselves by an 'elegant' swimming pool and listened to orchestras.
Dr Kollerstrom denied he was harassing the bombers' victims but admitted he was wrong to phone the father of one victim who died at Tavistock Square, to explore his theory that the victim may not have been on the No 30 bus at all.
The ex-academic said: 'It was wrong to do that but somebody urged me to do it because they said it was vital information. I raised the question '"was she on the bus?" and the family were very upset because they are convinced she was on the bus... I just don't know.
'It is a possibility this victim was not on the bus and her body was placed besides the wreckage at a later time.'
Dr Kollerstrom stood by his claims of a conspiracy surrounding the attacks and said: 'I have always felt these four lads were very non-violent by nature and didn't want to harm anybody and I am not convinced they did it.'
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TonyGosling Editor
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Which is all the more reason for Nick to be more discerning on who he gives interviews to. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of Nick's research on the holocaust (and I've stated my opinion) Nick should be very well aware that it is highly unlikely that any mainstream media journalist is going to take an interest in him other than as a way of attacking him and by association 'conspiracy theorists' more generally and he would be wise to stop giving them ammunition IMO. |
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chrisc Validated Poster
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: more reason for Nick to be more discerning |
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chrisc wrote: |
I don't know if he is a naive idiot or if he is something far worse... |
Nick is probably naive......inasmuch as he can't understand why other people typically seem so much less interested in evidence and the truth than himself (this doesn't necessarily mean he's always right, of course).
His would be a commendable naivety IMO, if a dangerous one......as it has obviously turned out to be for him.
Nick strikes me as nothing at all if not an honest man........so..........."something far worse?".........shame on you.
If Nick states on the programme that he believes the 4 Muslim lads are 'patsies' it might cost him.....and some might say it discredits us.....however, he will be saying something that many of us suspect (and even believe) is true and will be stating a view that hardly anyone in our society has yet heard.
I'd call that brave....and very useful.
Whether all of us know it or not, there is a very wide awareness of 9/11 Truth in the UK and Ireland now and this has all come about by brave people like Nick stepping forward to say their piece and then others, amongst those who listened, following up with their own research and going on to broadcast the message themselves.
That's the process.
Thanks Nick for all you've done. |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Another incredibly insightful post Kevin. Nice one and well said.
You know what Chrisc.
If you knew anything about Nick you would not grace us with your opinions.
I read your consistently, tightly focussed posts on here and conclude that I would rather be surrounded with a million Nick Kollerstroms than one of you.
Your agenda is so transparent that, for me, it only serves to illuminate, what I see as your divisive motives for posting here.
If you had one ounce of Nick's intellect, a gramme of his commitment, a fragment of his integrity, then you'd be worth a read.
But, currently, you're not.
And unless your conscience prevails in your life, you never will be. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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gareth Suspended
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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From the front page of todays London Lite, one of the free London newspapers.
Quote: | 7/7 was an MI5 plot, Holocaust denier claims in BBC film
Robert Mendick and Jonny Paul, Evening Standard
10.06.08
The BBC paid expenses to a disgraced academic who has pestered families bereaved by the 7/7 bombs, claiming the attacks were an intelligence agency plot.
Nicholas Kollerstrom was paid by the corporation for his part in Conspiracy Files, a documentary about theories surrounding the terrorist outrage.
He has admitted he phoned the father of one victim to tell him how he believed the man's daughter's body had been planted at the site of the Tavistock Square bus bombing. The victim's family has described the phone call and subsequent claims posted on a website as "very upsetting".
He has also been accused of pestering relatives of victims and survivors of 7/7.
Dr Kollerstrom believes the four bombers who murdered 52 people almost three years ago were "innocent patsies", set up by a combination of the British, US and Israeli secret services.
Dr Kollerstrom was last month stripped of an honorary research fellowship at University College London after it emerged he had written a paper entitled The Auschwitz "Gas Chamber" Illusion on a far-Right website - claiming it was like a holiday camp where inmates sunned themselves by an "elegant" swimming pool and listened to orchestras.
Sean Cassidy, 60, whose 22-year-old son Ciaran was killed in the blast at Russell Square Tube, said today: "It is appalling the BBC are paying this man's expenses. They should not be giving him a platform.
"This programme is disgraceful and we can do without it. The families are aware of this man but have been trying to avoid him. He has caused a lot of upset."
John Taylor, whose daughter Carrie died at Aldgate, said: "For the BBC to actually fund somebody like this is totally disgraceful. One or two families have been sent nasty videos of conspiracy theories and it is not very nice. He is helping the terrorists more than anything and I am not happy with the BBC giving him a platform."
The BBC has paid an undisclosed sum in expenses to Dr Kollerstrom, who is believed to have a PhD in astronomy, for his part in the BBC 2 programme. A spokesman for the corporation confirmed Dr Kollerstrom had been paid expenses for such things as rail travel but not a fee and added: "The BBC's Conspiracy Files series investigates whether there is any truth to the many conspiracy theories which have grown up around terrorist attacks. Nicholas Kollerstrom has advanced a number of theories about these attacks which will be investigated in detail by the BBC."
Dr Kollerstrom, 61, from Belsize Park, said the corporation had paid his expenses for trips to Leeds, where he attempted to meet the family of the 7/7 ringleader Mohammad Sidique Khan and relatives of the other bombers.
Dr Kollerstrom took flowers to the parents of Aldgate bomber Shehzad Tanweer but they refused to see him.
Dr Kollerstrom denied he was harassing the bombers' victims but admitted he was wrong to phone the father of one victim who died at Tavi-stock Square, to explore his theory that the victim may not have been on the No 30 bus at all.
The ex-academic said: "It was wrong to do that but somebody urged me to do it because they said it was vital information. I raised the question 'was she on the bus?' and the family were very upset because they are convinced she was on the bus... I just don't know.
"It is a possibility this victim was not on the bus and her body was placed besides the wreckage at a later time."
Dr Kollerstrom stood by his claims of a conspiracy surrounding the attacks and said: "I have always felt these four lads were very non-violent by nature and didn't want to harm anybody and I am not convinced they did it." |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just imagining all those potential 911 truthers travelling home from their wonderfully meaningful battery hen houses of employment in the city of London, thumbing through the myriad of free "news" sheets that are foisted into their hands by otherwise unemployable slaves of Murdoch, et al, during the "rush home to some other nightmare hour", not actually even understanding the context of what these reports mean, or, alternatively, really understanding what the real context of these reports mean . . .
Chewing gum for the brain washed masses?
Or, alternatively, food for thought for those that can be bothered?
Gareth and Prole.
Why?
You have, between you, quoted the Daily Mail, a paid for, reactionary, far right tabloid and London Lite, a free sheet, I've never even heard of.
Would you be into quoting Hello Magazine too ?
How do you think these stories got in ?
Is it Nick's fault ?
The Nazi's?
Or the new Nazi's?
Which camp are you two in ?
Quintessentially disgusting. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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Prole Validated Poster
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J7 Decline to participate in BBC's Conspiracy Files Update:
Quote: | J7 have noted that since our refusal to participate in or co-operate with the making of the BBC's Conspiracy Files, the BBC seem to have approached anyone even remotely connected to the events of July 7th 2005. Many of those approached also declined to be involved. Moreover, a relative of Richard Chang left a very interesting comment on our response to the BBC, suggesting that the BBC have previous form for mendacity when making their 'documentaries' about events which still have yet to be thoroughly, independently and conclusively investigated.
This week, the UK 9/11 Truth Campaign began advertising an event which is taking place later this month, at which prominent author and researcher Nafeez Ahmed is due to speak; the flyer for which was also advertising the presence of "J7 researchers".
J7: The July 7th Truth Camapign were not at any time approached with regard to this event, nor were we asked permission for our website to be included on the flyer. After asking for an explanation regarding this oddity, we were told that the "J7 researchers" was in fact Nick Kollerstrom, a man who we recently discovered is a keen participant in the making of the BBC's 'Conspiracy Files' programme, whose approach to 7/7 research is markedly different to that of J7, who recently discovered that his theories regarding the holocaust of the second world war were rather unpopular and who, needless to say, is not affiliated to or associated with J7. It also transpired that the BBC were due to film the event - something which had not been previously made clear to at least one of the participants.
Mike "I was right away impressed with just how little I knew" Rudin from the BBC stated on Wednesday of this week, "Along with his views of 7/7, Nick Kollerstrom's views about the Holocaust will be scrutinised and challenged in the programme."
How very unsurprising for a programme apparently dedicated to examining 'conspiracy theories' regarding the horrific events in London in the summer of 2005. In order to reiterate J7's position and to avoid any confusion we sent the following email to the producers of the Conspiracy Files:
Fri, 13 Jun 2008 4:22 PM
From "J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign" <julyseventh@fastmail.net>
To "Tristan Quinn"
Cc "Mike Rudin"
Subject Nick Kollerstrom 7/7 Conspiracy Files
Dear Tristan
We recently became aware of a meeting to be held in London on 25th June which you were intending to film for the 7/7 Conspiracy Files programme you are making with Nick Kollerstrom. We were appalled to find that the flyer for this meeting developed by the UK 911 Truth Movement, without our knowledge or consent, advertised a 'J7 researcher' and included a link to our website when no member of J7 knew of the meeting, much less agreed to appear at it. It transpires that this alleged 'J7 researcher' would appear to be one Nick Kollerstrom.
As the BBC has a duty with respect to the accuracy of facts presented to its viewing public, please be informed that Nick Kollerstrom is not a member of J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign and therefore cannot be classed as a J7 researcher. Kollerstrom is, if anything, a 9/11 researcher who belongs to the 9/11 Truth Movement UK & Ireland and it is with the operations of that group that Kollerstrom is involved with at a high level.
Over the last few months, Nick has been contacting various members of J7, mostly for information that would be in his possession if he were indeed a serious researcher into the events of 7/7, but also to arrange to collect J7 leaflets. It now transpires that he attended Leeds with your film crew, presumably with J7 leaflets in hand, where he attempted to make contact with the families of the accused.
These events lead us to suspect that efforts are being made either by or for your production to somehow conflate Kollerstrom with J7.
Surprisingly enough, not everyone that has questions about the events of 7/7 is a member of J7 and for the BBC to portray otherwise would be a new level of disingenuousness.
We would like an assurance from you that your Conspiracy Files programme will not be referring to J7 in relation to Kollerstrom or any other researcher.
Regards
J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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The BBC was interested in pulling everyone in on the Kollerstrom participation.Thats the association.
I'm sure Nick is innocent in his Auschwitz stuff. He just never realised how it would be used. And I see how stupid and ignorant he is - I spent time with him and can see how a great intellect can be absolutely stupid
Wake up Nick and be in control of yourself
I've got a few minutes on BBC camera where I'm an idotic old *, like yourself. My anger with you is my anger with myself for being set up for this. Before your 'Auschwitz research' came out _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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Alexander Moderate Poster
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I'm sure your "Auschwitz research" is much more thorough, Paul.
I look forward to seeing it. Oh nearly forgot, we're not allowed to go there. |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
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Just a minor point of clarification, the leaflet that J7 refer to and about which they understandably were annoyed about was produced by Belinda (as the somebody currently responsible for staging London events for the London group of the UK campaign). Just as with all the others events that the London group have staged along with all the events any other local group may stage, these events are the responsibility of the local group and not the UK 9/11 Truth campaign.
Whilst I understand why J7 may not be aware of such nuances as to what events are official UK 9/11 Truth Campaign events and what are not (just as B was unaware of the significance of using 'J7 researchers' in her leaflet) I thought this is worth clarifying. Once Belinda was aware of the error, she apologised and withdrew the leaflet. Anyway soon what is and is not an official UK 9/11 Truth Campaign event will not be my responsibility |
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chrisc Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: involved... at a high level? |
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Prole wrote: | J7 Decline to participate in BBC's Conspiracy Files Update:
Quote: | Nick Kollerstrom is not a member of J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign and therefore cannot be classed as a J7 researcher. Kollerstrom is, if anything, a 9/11 researcher who belongs to the 9/11 Truth Movement UK & Ireland and it is with the operations of that group that Kollerstrom is involved with at a high level. |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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I can answer that. Nick is an independent researcher and activist who has regularly attended events in London for the past 4 years and has spoken at events such as the Big Green Gathering as an independent researcher.
The entity known as the British 9/11 Truth Campaign has existed for just over 2 years, firstly under the Chairmanship of Ian Crane and then for the past year, under the joint Chairmanship of myself, Annie and Justin. At no time has Nick been involved in the campaign either in an official or unofficial capacity or as a spokesperson or speaker. The campaign has staged a series of events and tours during this time none of which involved Nick. Indeed the vast majority of events relating to 9/11 truth have been staged and managed by local groups and individual activists and this is how it should be. The national campaign has neither sought nor would be able to control what local groups and activists have staged. As a case in point Chris staged a highly impressive week of 9/11 film screenings in Sheffield. Whilst very welcome this had nothing to do with the campaign.
Hope this clarifies things |
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BBC Set To Launch New Smear Attack On 9/11 Truth
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, June 20, 2008
The BBC is set to launch another savage smear attack on the 9/11 truth movement with two documentaries about the September 11 attacks and the 7/7 bombings that attempt to debunk evidence of government complicity and smear doubters of the official story as holocaust deniers, Neo-Nazis, and crop circle fanatics.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2778
7/7
The BBC has also completed a documentary on the 7/7 bombings, set to air in Autumn, which puts forward an individual called Nick Kollerstrom as the main proponent of "conspiracy theories" surrounding the 2005 London Underground attacks.
Having taken its rightful place alongside Popular Mechanics and The History Channel as one of the 21st century’s most plentiful peddlers of yellow journalism with their first 9/11 hit piece last year, "Auntie Beeb" is set to have another crack at the whip on July 6th when it airs a documentary about the collapse of WTC Building 7, the 47-storey skyscraper that imploded into its own footprint on 9/11 without being hit by a plane, called The Third Tower.
The preview clip for the show claims that the program will offer the solution to the "final mystery of 9/11," presumably self-satisfied that the BBC’s previous woeful effort to debunk 9/11 truth dismissed the mountains of other contradictions and outright falsehoods of the official story.
Judging from the end of the clip, it seems as if the BBC is ready to violate the fundamental laws of physics and proclaim that fire caused the steel-framed building to collapse, an unprecedented event in history........... _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org
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chrisc Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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You missed the best bit:
Quote: | Kollerstrom is just about the wackiest person the BBC could have picked to represent alternative explanations behind 7/7. The idea behind it is simple - pick a nutcase closet Neo-Nazi to talk about 7/7 thus sending a very clear message to the viewer - anyone who questions the official government story behind 7/7 is a holocaust denier, a lunatic, and potentially dangerous. |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Very powerful message there from the infowars team.
Probably accurate too, among the demographic that have their thinking done for them. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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