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9/11.....the Truth is Anti-Semitic
9/11 and the prima facie evidence of both Zionist involvement in the act and the cover-up in the aftermath.
The terror State of Israel has had its hand in so many things; told so many lies, caused so many deaths that it has taken on a surreal appearance in my mind. Hardly does a day go by when I don’t learn of some new horror that they brought forth upon the planet. Hardly a day goes by when another new lie, or chorus of lies, does not whip across the landscape like rabid bats; routinely and persistently infecting the population with mind parasites of disinformation. We find out that it was Israel that shoehorned Idi Amin into power. We have found that the Entebbe Hollywood rescue was staged. We know now that Israel deliberately bombed the U.S.S. Liberty and that it was no mistake.
We’re told that it was Arabs that instigated the Six Day War and Yom Kippur conflict and then we find that the facts tell a different story altogether. We are told that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. The facts tell a different story. The deeper you look the more the story changes. It turns out that Hamas was originally an Israeli creation. I guess that one got away from them. When we look for Al Qaeda cells; a hard job because there is no Al Qaeda, we find that the only one that ever got exposed was a Mossad operation.
Grab an act of genocide in the last century and see who you find at the heart of the matter. How about the Ukraine? How about the Armenian Genocide? You don’t have to look far when it comes to Darfur and Sierra Leone either. All this and Michael Ledeen’s wife too?
The thing is, if you go looking for the truth and sifting the evidence it becomes glaringly apparent soon enough that Zionism and its proponents represent a cynical and viral threat to everything that isn’t them.
When you dissect the real events and official statistics of World War 2 and, of course, World War 1 you find that what you’ve been told is not what was… not at all. You can take what you find and consider it. You can turn it around and look at it from all sides. You can hold it up to the light to see where the light passes through and where the shadows are formed. The more you look, the more you study, the more a particular influence presents itself. Herein lays the key to the application and definition of Anti-Semitism.
If you look into Biblical associations and anthropological studies, as well as what remains of the history of earlier times you come to find that the original Israelis, remaining today are, in fact, more likely to be The Palestinians. Perhaps there is an argument for various peoples being original. There is an argument for anything. When you leave the truth out of the equation all that you have is argument without the possibility of resolution which is… exactly the way some people want it.
Maybe you come across this Ashke-Nazi thing and the Khazar origins and you find that there’s this DNA conflict about what Semitic is and what it isn’t. The Palestinians are Semitic and the Khazar Ashkenazis are not. The Sephardic Jews certainly are. In 1960 there were 500,000 Sephardic Jews and 12,000,000 million Ashkenazim. Do the math. Apply your brain and the tool of reason.
Enter 9/11 and the question… to whose benefit does this event incline? Why were there five dancing Israelis? What does Odigo mean? Why was the security of all 9/11 airports in the hands of ICTS? Why were they in charge of the London Tube and The Madrid Train Station? I don’t have space here- not nearly enough space… to list the damning connections between Israeli intelligence; security firms, dual national neo-cons and sundry.
The argument for Zionist Israeli involvement in 9/11 is so apparent and prevalent that the conclusion is inescapable and without any competing, rational or fact based argument for anyone else, anywhere, anyhow. We could insert Sherlock’s famous quote about the improbable here. We could insert the rules for scientific inquiry here. We could insert all sorts of helpful things but we don’t need to. It’s that obvious. It is where the truth leads us and that is why the truth is anti-Semitic.
This is why there was no real inquiry into 9/11. This is why Bush and Co. opposed any inquiry for so long and then turned over the keys of a sham investigation to someone like Philip Zelikow. They first tried to give it to that paragon of murder, Henry Kissinger; David Rockefeller’s man on the scene. That was too outrageous even for the Nimrods among us.
Why would the president of the United States be so adamantly opposed to an inquiry? This is damning enough. We hardly need to look further. On down the road so many things came out. The BBC shot itself in the foot with its WTC7, Madame Cleo commentary about the building falling before the building fell. Now the plague of accusing letters pouring in to Michael Rudin’s email box requires another mad effort at obfuscation and they’ll be using the redoubtable Nick Kollerstrom for that.
Nearly everyone now knows that 9/11 was an ‘in house’ Zionist neo-con hit job. But you can’t go there because ‘the truth is anti-Semitic’.
Where is the plane wreckage from the Pentagon attack? Where is the camera footage from every event everywhere? Where is all the missing evidence that would be all the administration needed to prove what happened, if it happened the way they said it did? That they choose not to use the compelling evidence, that they have destroyed evidence, is also proof that the evidence says other than what they say it does.
I’ve called for a general sit down strike against the vampire machine. I think we need to use a few other tools as well. Someone reading this article has the ability to do something useful. Someone… make an icon, a logo that says “9/11 was an Inside Job”. Make it smart and sexy and effective and let us put it up in a prominent place on our blogs. You can see me wearing the t-shirt that I designed right here on this blog. We need to print stickers and stick them up everywhere we go; at bus stops and on buildings… everywhere. We need to take a page from the “V for Vendetta” playbook and become a revolutionary force for truth by plastering the world with guerilla art that screams in Technicolor to every passer by. We need an advertising campaign no less slick than Coca-Cola. We need to make noise and be subversive and use all the humor and irony that can be mined. It needs to appear on The Hollywood Sign. It needs to show up on every park bench and on staked signs in the middle of national parks. It needs to appear along the Colorado River in The Grand Canyon. It needs to be a routine skywriting event.
We must go where the truth leads us and have no fear about offending those who are telling the lies. We need to shame and expose and ridicule the merchants of fear and disinformation. We need to take it to them. We need to push for critical mass. You wonder what you can do? You wonder what any one individual can do? This is what you can do. You can become “V for Vendetta” in your daily life. Get a little bag and fill it with stickers and put them up everywhere. Be creative. Leave messages everywhere. Stick them up in the office bathrooms. Put it on bulletin boards. Buy a small box ad in the newspaper and think… think about all the possibilities that have not been mentioned here.
This is a war we can win. This is a war we are winning, just as the overlords are losing their wars abroad. Put some adventure into your life and remember… the truth is anti-Semitic.
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2008/06/911-truth-is-anti-semitic.h tml ......6 comments |
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Oh ferchrissakes. Thanks mate. I know you a bit - you're a superficially sensible and amusing guy. And at these times you offer an open and free tidbit to the Beeb and the intelligence services. What the hell are you playing at. Playing perfectly into the hands of the forces that hope they have us potentially at heel. Its coming Tom, the discreditation is coming.
If you cant feel it you must be one of them or in their thrall
Just a perfect example of what Ian Neal indicated earlier
Get me outta here!
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| Quote: | | ‘the truth is anti-Semitic’. |
Says it all.
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Does it really, blackcat?
I'm perfectly aware of the PNAC constituency, the media, Verint, that place where all paths lead etc etc. But that's exactly what is wanted for me and you to say. That's precisely what they want
I wish people around here would stop participation in their playing field
That's why I'm feeling increasingly isolated into the corner occupied by the most 'conservative' of players, while in actuality I'm a big fan of Icke and Croft and even, goddammit, Judy Wood, does that do it? and all things wierd
I think I might at least have a bit of a political nous in knowing where all this is inevitably leading
... and it's not nice, and brings forward the -real physical- attack on us by some period
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | ‘the truth is anti-Semitic’. |
Says it all. |
Mustn't say so though....
....because that's playing into someone's hands.
.....who's, I wonder |
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| Today I was listening to a radio show and co-incidentally a caller phoned it to say "the truth is NEVER anti-semitic". I agree with him rather than the title of this thread. |
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| Alexander wrote: | | Today I was listening to a radio show and co-incidentally a caller phoned it to say "the truth is NEVER anti-semitic". I agree with him rather than the title of this thread. |
Yes. The truth is all there is. The truth is love and can never be truly against the best interests of anything.......and no truth can be contradicted by another truth. The truth must be one thing. It must be total integrity.
It is the end we seek.
This is not going to stop us disagreeing about what is not truth though. |
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http://www.coastalpost.com/08/05/01.html
| Quote: | Carter And The Swarm - Daring The Wrath Of The Jewish Lobby
By Israel Shamir
Publication of Jimmy Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid is a great event for America and for all of us. It's not that Carter said anything we did not already know about Palestine. Before Carter, we already knew that the Zionists had established a racist apartheid regime in the Holy Land where Jews have rights, and goyim have duties.
Before Carter we knew a native Palestinian has no right to vote, move or work freely in his land -- which he is locked up behind the twenty-foot wall. Before Carter we knew that the US support allowed the atrocities to occur and the apartheid regime to entrench. But what we did not know was that there are prominent Americans who would dare the wrath of organized Jewry and spell it out loud.
Why did President Carter do it? Why did he risk his peaceful old age and gently fading glory to endure an attack by Israel's Fifth Column as merciless as the Four Columns' onslaught on Gaza? He was moved by compassion, that supreme Christian virtue of feeling together with the suffering and the oppressed. He saw the suffering of Palestine and he could not keep quiet. He upheld an honorable American tradition: that of Mark Twain who condemned the US atrocities in Philippines, that of Henry Thoreau speaking against the Mexican War. This is a universal tradition, too: Multatuli unmasked the Dutch atrocities in Indonesia, Roger Casement did it to the Belgians in Congo, Radishchev be wept the fate of the Russian peasant. And their voices changed our world, though not immediately. Carter is not a radical -- a man of hotter temper would call to eliminate the infamy called «The Jewish State» altogether. Carter's message is soft and gentle; so soft and compassionate that only the arrogant and power-intoxicated won't be able to live with it. Others (including me) have been harder and more explicit, but then, we others weren't former US presidents.
Why now? The apartheid system in Palestine was bad enough ten years ago to warrant his intervention, but this despondent helplessness we now witness is a new phenomenon. The hope kept alive by Camp David, by peace with Egypt, by the Madrid and Oslo conferences, is dead. A year of severe blockade has engendered a confrontation between the Palestinian parties and the Jewish wet dream of an inter-Palestinian civil war is about to come true. The Holy Land is on the verge of collapse. President Carter is 82, and he is not afraid of anything. At this age, in this stage of life, statesmen are likely to speak their mind, like the Malaysian PM Mohammad Mahathir did after his retirement. This is the time for unpalatable truth: the ideological and spiritual guidance of the West, dislodged from the hands of the Church, passed over to the usurpers of Zion. While they rule, Palestine has no chance.
Though most ordinary US Jews are sane and sensible, these decisions are made by super-rich, super-powerful, super-chauvinist Jews who are anything but. They are the power pushing for war. Carter wants to stop the disaster in the Middle East, by convincing the sane and rebutting the arrogant. Thus the President joined the fracas, as traditional WASP America tries to regain lost ground and save the country they love from destruction. The WASPs, with their immense property holdings, traditions and roots found themselves marginalized by the Jews, with their death grip on the media and universities: indeed, Spirit rules over Matter. The reports by the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group and Walt - Mearsheimer are the first salvos fired by this WASP Intifada. A Jewish American columnist (a resident in Israel writing for Israel's Haaretz) named Burston correctly stated "Carter's true intended target was the organized American Jewish community." Carter pointed out the main reasons for apartheid in the Holy Land, says Burston:
¥ Jewish control of [the US] government: "It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians."
¥ Jewish control of the [US] media: "What is even more difficult to comprehend is why the editorial pages of the major newspapers and magazines in the United States exercise similar self-restraint, quite contrary to private assessments expressed quite forcefully by their correspondents in the Holy Land."
After Carter spoke, he was immediately counter-attacked by organized Jewry - you couldn't miss it! In my native Siberia, in its short and furious summer, you can watch a swarm of gnats attack a horse, each small bloodsucker eager for his piece of the action. After a while, the blinded and infuriated animal rushes headlong in a mad sprint and soon finds its death in the bottomless moors. The Jews developed the same style of attack. It is never a single voice arguing the case, but always a mass attack from the left and the right, from below and above, until the attacked one is beaten and broken and crawls away in disgrace.
Each attacker is as tiny and irrelevant as a single gnat, but as a swarm they are formidable. Observe them separately: Dershowitz, an advocate of torture and of hostage killing, an apprehended plagiarist who never was elected to any position of authority and commands no respect, demands to debate the president. It is indeed beyond chutzpah; but Dershowitz is supported by other Jews in prime positions and his ridiculous demand is seconded by both university and media until this thieving nonentity gets equal time on a TV channel to present "his case". Another gnat is a Deborah Lipstadt, a nonentity brought forth by the Washington Post. Plenty of others are even smaller than these two, for instance 14 Jews who gave up their positions at Carter Center. If they were not able to keep the media in their hands, they wouldn't be heard by anyone but their spouses.
Their technique is quite simple: They switch the focus of argument onto the personality of their adversary. Thus, instead of discussing apartheid in Israel, we discuss Jimmy Carter, whether he is a bigot and anti-Semite (thus Foxman, the "bad Jew") or he is not (Avnery, the "good Jew"). The correct answer is "irrelevant": Carter's love for Jews or lack of it has no bearing on the question of apartheid in Palestine. Likewise, if we discuss the situation in Bosnia or Kosovo, we do not go into our sentiments towards Serbs, Albanians or Croats. But Jews are different!
For instance, General Wesley Clark said that rich Jews, the great donors of Washington politicians, push for war with Iran. Well, this can be discussed, maybe even denied, but instead they derail the discussion into another topic, whether Clark is an anti-Semite. Matthew Yglesias provides the sources for the whole kosher hog, from comparison with The Protocols, to the inevitable quote from Foxman who says Clark had "bought into conspiratorial bigotry". From this moment, Clark will stick to defending himself, and the guys will take care that his hands will be full. Here again, the correct answer is a polite shrug: who cares whether Clark is a bigot? Maybe he is also a pedophile and usurer, but this ad hominem has no bearing on what he said. And an accusation "you do not love Jews" is not much different from "You do not love your aunt", and you probably have learned to live with it at the age of six.
A good book to accustom oneself to this sort of attack is Michael Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita: this marvelous book shows the Jewish critics' swarm attack on a writer who dared to write about Christ. Indeed, whoever mentions Christ will experience it sooner or later.
I also had a personal taste of this swarm attack. During the Tsunami disaster in Thailand I discovered that the Jewish undertakers, Zaka, forced the Thais to delay mass burial of victims for a day or two, despite the real and immediate danger of epidemic diseases, in order to avoid a real calamity: that holy Jewish bodies might be inadvertently buried together with the goyim. I was told so by the members of Zaka team who were quite proud of their feat. I wrote about it (Tsunami in Gaza). It was republished by a few sites. Then, a British Jew named Manfred Ropschitz began an ad hominem campaign against me. Other Jews joined the fray, discussing whether I am a Jew, or a "Swedish-Russian Nazi anti-Semite", as if this had any bearing on the tsunami story. Instead of shrugging it off, other supporters of Palestine switched to this piquant subject. They carried their discussion from The Times to their email lists, until eventually, another Jewish "antizionist" commented with deep satisfaction: "Shamir is marginalized and brought into disrepute".
Ropschitz did not try to disprove the story, for the story was true. He wrote: "With an army of journalists crawling over the Tsunami story I'd expect to have heard such shocking news by now - if it's true. I am a journalist and I don't believe it." No, gentlemen, you won't hear a true story if it is not acceptable to Ropschitzes of this world. They will hunt you to the far-away corner of the world, and there are not many people who care to risk their well-planned attacks. Indeed, one ought to be a real kamikaze to enter this fight. The Ropschitzes, these quite ordinary Jews who fully identify with their community, are the key to the swarm attack. There are many Jewish media-lords, even more Jewish editors, but it is the Ropschitzes that clinch the party line. These willing executioners of our freedom, these foot soldiers of the media lords, automatically defend "the Jews" (i.e., the organized Jewish community) at any price. Ordinary human beings of Jewish origin can be of any opinion. Likewise, ordinary Americans do not decide whether their country will attack Iran or not. But Bush and Cheney alone can't fight the Iraqi war, and the Jewish media lords would be powerless without their willing executioners of freedom.
The Gentile philosemites are even worse, observed Eustace Mullins, the legendary American writer whose best-selling books (running into the millions) were never published or distributed by the mainstream press. He wrote:
"It has long been common knowledge since the incorporation of the three [US] major national television networks that each of them was owned, operated and controlled by Jews. Now at last, or so it seemed, the Christians of America would have their own Christian television network on which they could observe the tenets of the Christian religion. Or so it seemed. And when the CBN began its daily broadcasting, what was its daily message? We must love the Jews. We must support the State of Israel in all its depredations and its immoral devastation of the Holy Christian Shrines in the Birthplace of Our Savior. We must help the Jews, and we must, above all, avoid the greatest sin, the sin of 'anti-Semitism', whatever that is. Even the Jewish networks do not broadcast as blatantly pro-Jewish propaganda as the Christian Broadcasting Network."
A man died this week in France, a real saint, who was known by the affectionate appellation of "Abbè Pierre", a priest who fought with the Resistance, helped the homeless, provided for the poor and was a great friend of the Palestinians. In 1996 he was hounded almost to death after he expressed his support for another friend of Palestine, Roger Garaudy, who wrote a book called The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics. A victim of Jewish swarm attack, he went into seclusion in Italy and Switzerland, deserted by the very people he fought for. His sorry fate should be remembered by the French, and bother their conscience. If the Maid of Orleans was executed by the British Occupation regime (though using French collaborationists), no such excuse is available for those who ostracized the Abbè Pierre: they just got frightened by the swarm attack.
This fear of Jewish swarm attacks has already brought much sorrow to mankind. In 1930s, the famous American aviator Charles Lindbergh called for the US to stay out of the approaching war in Europe. He was attacked by the Jewish media as a Nazi and a Hitler sympathizer, was besmirched and "overnight Lindbergh went from cultural hero to moral pariah". Now again, the US is being pushed by the same forces into a new war, this time in the Middle East. Let us try and stop it by being fearless, for as a Jewish Hassid spiritual song hath it, "haikar lo lefahed bihlal" -- the most important thing is not to be afraid at all. Carter brought us hope that there is an America the world can live with: a non-aggressive, democratic America, whose policies aren't decided by the rich donors, but by the ordinary Americans who voted against the war, and who today gather in Washington calling to stop its escalation. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: Re: 9/11...the Truth is Anti-Semitic |
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9/11 and the prima facie evidence of both Zionist involvement in the act and the cover-up in the aftermath. |
Involvement: participation in, connection, inclusion, sharing in activities, taking part.
It seems plain enough that 'involvement', to use your word, is in a completely different category to 'responsibility'.
Responsibility: ownership of the success or otherwise of an undertaking, answerable, accountable, duty, trust.
So the question is why single out one alleged group of participants at the expense of any others?
Were any black people also involved? Statistically it's likely.
Maybe we should also spam this board with threads along the lines of 'N*ggers Done 911'
Were any women involved? Statistically that's also likely.
Maybe we should at the same time spam this board with
'B*tches behind 911 attacks'.
Were WASP's behind 911? Statistically, of course.
But why worry about such distinctions when it's so much more fun and damaging to a campaign that never has sought to be judge and jury
by proclaiming long, loud and often that code-worded Jews (Zionists) were responsible? Or were they only 'involved'?
So blackbear your claim:
| blackbear wrote: | | 9/11.....the Truth is Anti-Semitic |
is a fallacy and the true case is that only some posters posing as being interested in the truth allow their self-justified anti-semitism full rein, and damn the torpedoes.
The public (being those whom the campaign hopes to win over) of course don't make such fine distinctions.
It's all easily dismissable fringe neo nazi nonsense to them.
Thanks fellas.
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Silly argument chek.
Why not provide an argument to say 911 and 7/7 were not as advertised created, developed, instigated, managed and profited from by zionists?
If find a huge double standard on this forum
it appears taboo to name and shame criminals who appear to be of an Ashkenazi background such as Larry Silverstein but it seems ok to attack everyone else.
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Were any black people also involved? Statistically it's likely.
Maybe we should also spam this board with threads along the lines of 'N*ggers Done 911'
Thanks fellas. |
I suggest using the N word should result in an instant ban.
This is probably the reason why the public can correctly point fingers at racism on this forum. Post something anti Islamic, anti Black, etc and its ok. But post up something anti Zionist and there is a storm of indignation.
Double standards.
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Hello chek....
Pure Truth......or mainstream/sanitised "truth".......your choice...
Israeli spies in strange places on and leading up to 9/11 is only one link among many that indicate an Israeli role in the attacks. Each one by itself is inconclusive, but it's disingenuous and dishonest to try to make people simply ignore all of them.
The fact that all three of the buildings that conveniently and miraculously happened to collapse on that day were purchased 6 months before by Larry Silverstein, turning an enormous financial liability into a lucky windfall worth billions, and that Silverstein happened to be very well connected to the highest levels of the Israeli government (talking weekly on the phone to his good friend Netanyahu and being especially close to Ariel Sharon, not to mention Ehud Barak), is another link.
Silverstein's close ties to Maurice "Hank" Greenberg, head of insurance giant AIG, which also owns Kroll (the company that bought the Germany company assigned to recover the data on the WTC computers and then 'disappeared' them), is yet another link. AIG was the WTC buildings' insurers: a few weeks before the attacks, AIG re-packaged the insurance policy and sold it to their competitors -- who got stuck with paying billions of dollars to Silverstein and his partners after the attacks. ............
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=120427&highlight=#120 427
outsider.....blackbear, I have no trouble accepting this useful info. I don't consider this 'anti-Semitic' at all. We need this sort of information.
Israel and 9/11 are Siamese Twins. ...
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2008/06/israel-and-911-are-siamese- twins.html
9/11 + the Role of Israel ......AlicetheKurious
The crime of the September 11 attacks, and whether or not there is reason to deduce a major Israeli role.
When a crime is committed, who is and who is not a legitimate suspect depends on the answers to the following questions:
1) Who benefited from the crime? The bigger the benefit, the higher the suspect ought to go on the list of possible perps.
2) Who had the means to carry out the crime? This is where a proper investigation becomes crucial, to determine HOW the crime was carried out. Once we know what resources the crime required, then it becomes possible to narrow the list of suspects to those who had the necessary resources.
3) What was the motive (or motives) for the crime? Before the crime was committed, which suspects had objectives that were difficult, if not impossible to achieve, that were miraculously realized as a direct result of the crime?
4) Given the means and motive, which suspect(s) had the opportunity to carry out the crime? This is related to timing: what specific window of opportunity were the perps in a position to know about and exploit?
Based on these four questions, Israel (along with its agents) shoots to the top of the list of suspects. Here's why: .........
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=18457&start=30
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=120400&highlight=#120 400
9/11..complete time line.....
http://complete911timeline.org/context.jsp?item=a030502trailinghijacke rs
alicethekurious....
Oh, baby. If you want to ignore the fact that the owner of the buildings, who made billions of dollars off their collapse, the insurers of the buildings, who unloaded the insurance policy just before the collapse, the owner of the firm that was in charge of security for both the WTC AND the airports involved in the 9/11 attacks, and the guy who arranged for the sale of the buildings to Silverstein in the first place, not to mention the guys whose signed statement said that they needed "a catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor" WERE ALL INTIMATELY LINKED TO THE ISRAELI LIKUD, that's your beeswax. Not to mention that the list naming "19 hijackers" in the U.S. was kindly provided to the U.S. authorities by the Mossad...
Perhaps you believe that telling people to move along, nothing to see here, when there is PLENTY to see, and what I've posted is just a bit of it, is an effective and persuasive method. If so, knock yourself out. Everybody marches to a different drum, no? You beat yours, and let others beat theirs. It's up to others to decide which one has a rhythm 'you can dance to'.
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?p=195706&highlight =#195706 |
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| karlos wrote: | | Silly argument chek. |
Isn't it just. The Nazis were innocent because some of them were women so blame the "bitches" instead. Some of them were doubtless homosexuals so blame gays not Nazis. His post was the stupidest attempt to deny Israei involvement in the mass murder of 9/11 and his usual smear of anti-Semitism is as reasonable as saying attacking Hitler is really a racist attack on Germans. Drivel! He plays that trump card at every opportunity and it is threadbare.
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| chek wrote: | So blackbear your claim:
| blackbear wrote: | | 9/11.....the Truth is Anti-Semitic |
is a fallacy and the true case is that only some posters posing as being interested in the truth allow their self-justified anti-semitism full rein, and damn the torpedoes.
The public (being those whom the campaign hopes to win over) of course don't make such fine distinctions.
It's all easily dismissable fringe neo nazi nonsense to them.
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Chek, if you hadn't seen it already, i thought you might appreciate this interesting piece written by Danse over at truthaction.org:
ZIHOP as a limited hangout
| Quote: | The Military Industrial Complex did not arise from some flaw in the American character, nor indeed from Zionism. It arose, simply put, because capital requires more capital, power more power still. Powerful states act out. “Small states are virtuous only because of their weakness.” (Bakunin).
Israel did not create this juggernaut; she is indeed an essential partner and participant in the war on terror myth and obviously benefits from it to no end, but the MIC will keep on humming along regardless. Israel’s goals, or at least the goals of the hardcore Jewish supremacists who formulate Israeli policy, gel neatly with that of the American power elite at present. There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that American policy in the middle east (with the exception of Palestine) would be drastically different in the absence of a Zionist state. This is crucial to understand. If we concentrate all of our attention on Zionism we will ignore the roots of the problem. |
| Quote: | | “ZIHOP” – our “outside job” by Mossad in conjunction with “dual loyalty Jews” and (perhaps) some otherwise decent upstandin’ Murikan folk in the upper echelons caught with their pants down thence blackmailed by Jews – is an absurd premise. It’s cartoon stuff. |
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| karlos wrote: | | This is probably the reason why the public can correctly point fingers at racism on this forum. Post something anti Islamic, anti Black, etc and its ok. But post up something anti Zionist and there is a storm of indignation. Double standards. |
Nonsense. Chek was v clearly using the N word to illustrate his point. Care to show examples of where anti-islamic, anti-black, etc posts have been posted and not been challenged or the user banned. Care to show where legitimate criticism of Israel or zionism has not been allowed. You know what I object to because I have explained to you so many times.
You consistently misrepresent the argument and I have clarified this so many times that this misrepresentation has to be taken as intentional.
Thankfully I am no longer involved in this forum's moderation or management, but I suggest that rather to continue to repeat these same tired arguments, a wholesale purge of 'jewish conspiracy theorists' is required. Then perhaps this forum will attract back the many decent campaigners who have left because of innumeral posts from 'jewish conspiracy theorists'.
Consider such an action will infringe your freedom of speech. Go start another forum or blog and tell me about it. You can call it 'Useful idiots and agents for 9/11 truth'. |
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Gareth -
So do you deny that the escort agency at the centre of the Elliot Spitzer scandal was run by an Israeli citizen who was found to have multiple passports with multiple identities?
Mark Brener’s Emperor’s Club VIP
The fact that Elliot Spitzer, Dick Cheney, Jack Abramoff and other top rankers were clients of this service means the caught with their pants down and blackmailed by Mossad is a likely scenario.
Truthaction are well known for not tolerating anything that points to zionists as the culprits. Thankfully the world is waking up to the reality however.
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| gareth wrote: | Chek, if you hadn't seen it already, i thought you might appreciate this interesting piece written by Danse over at truthaction.org:
ZIHOP as a limited hangout
| Quote: | The Military Industrial Complex did not arise from some flaw in the American character, nor indeed from Zionism. It arose, simply put, because capital requires more capital, power more power still. Powerful states act out. “Small states are virtuous only because of their weakness.” (Bakunin).
Israel did not create this juggernaut; she is indeed an essential partner and participant in the war on terror myth and obviously benefits from it to no end, but the MIC will keep on humming along regardless. Israel’s goals, or at least the goals of the hardcore Jewish supremacists who formulate Israeli policy, gel neatly with that of the American power elite at present. There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that American policy in the middle east (with the exception of Palestine) would be drastically different in the absence of a Zionist state. This is crucial to understand. If we concentrate all of our attention on Zionism we will ignore the roots of the problem. |
| Quote: | | “ZIHOP” – our “outside job” by Mossad in conjunction with “dual loyalty Jews” and (perhaps) some otherwise decent upstandin’ Murikan folk in the upper echelons caught with their pants down thence blackmailed by Jews – is an absurd premise. It’s cartoon stuff. |
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Thanks for the link to a thread I hadn't yet seen Gareth.
It's quite an incisive analysis with some very relevant and fitting comments to follow.
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Ian - i disagree. There is never any excuse for using the N word. But the fact that you thought it was ok speaks for itself.
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It is not a word I use myself, but the context was v clear.
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| blackbear wrote: | Hello chek....
Pure Truth......or mainstream/sanitised "truth".......your choice...
Israeli spies in strange places on and leading up to 9/11 is only one link among many that indicate an Israeli role in the attacks. Each one by itself is inconclusive, but it's disingenuous and dishonest to try to make people simply ignore all of them. |
Hello blackbear. I don't recall suggesting that any of these elements should be ignored. They're all strands that will lead to a full understanding one day.
| blackbear wrote: | The fact that all three of the buildings that conveniently and miraculously happened to collapse on that day were purchased 6 months before by Larry Silverstein, turning an enormous financial liability into a lucky windfall worth billions, and that Silverstein happened to be very well connected to the highest levels of the Israeli government (talking weekly on the phone to his good friend Netanyahu and being especially close to Ariel Sharon, not to mention Ehud Barak), is another link.
Silverstein's close ties to Maurice "Hank" Greenberg, head of insurance giant AIG, which also owns Kroll (the company that bought the Germany company assigned to recover the data on the WTC computers and then 'disappeared' them), is yet another link. AIG was the WTC buildings' insurers: a few weeks before the attacks, AIG re-packaged the insurance policy and sold it to their competitors -- who got stuck with paying billions of dollars to Silverstein and his partners after the attacks. ............
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=120427&highlight=#120 427
outsider.....blackbear, I have no trouble accepting this useful info. I don't consider this 'anti-Semitic' at all. We need this sort of information.
Israel and 9/11 are Siamese Twins. ... |
On the face of it, this is all good circumstantial evidence. The naive part (in my view) is to think that it all begins and ends with acts of (in comparison to geopolitics) petty larceny.
| blackbear wrote: | http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2008/06/israel-and-911-are-siamese- twins.html
9/11 + the Role of Israel ......AlicetheKurious
The crime of the September 11 attacks, and whether or not there is reason to deduce a major Israeli role.
When a crime is committed, who is and who is not a legitimate suspect depends on the answers to the following questions:
1) Who benefited from the crime? The bigger the benefit, the higher the suspect ought to go on the list of possible perps.
2) Who had the means to carry out the crime? This is where a proper investigation becomes crucial, to determine HOW the crime was carried out. Once we know what resources the crime required, then it becomes possible to narrow the list of suspects to those who had the necessary resources.
3) What was the motive (or motives) for the crime? Before the crime was committed, which suspects had objectives that were difficult, if not impossible to achieve, that were miraculously realized as a direct result of the crime?
4) Given the means and motive, which suspect(s) had the opportunity to carry out the crime? This is related to timing: what specific window of opportunity were the perps in a position to know about and exploit?
Based on these four questions, Israel (along with its agents) shoots to the top of the list of suspects. Here's why: .........
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=18457&start=30
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=120400&highlight=#120 400
9/11..complete time line.....
http://complete911timeline.org/context.jsp?item=a030502trailinghijacke rs
alicethekurious....
Oh, baby. If you want to ignore the fact that the owner of the buildings, who made billions of dollars off their collapse, the insurers of the buildings, who unloaded the insurance policy just before the collapse, the owner of the firm that was in charge of security for both the WTC AND the airports involved in the 9/11 attacks, and the guy who arranged for the sale of the buildings to Silverstein in the first place, not to mention the guys whose signed statement said that they needed "a catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor" WERE ALL INTIMATELY LINKED TO THE ISRAELI LIKUD, that's your beeswax. Not to mention that the list naming "19 hijackers" in the U.S. was kindly provided to the U.S. authorities by the Mossad...
Perhaps you believe that telling people to move along, nothing to see here, when there is PLENTY to see, and what I've posted is just a bit of it, is an effective and persuasive method. If so, knock yourself out. Everybody marches to a different drum, no? You beat yours, and let others beat theirs. It's up to others to decide which one has a rhythm 'you can dance to'.
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?p=195706&highlight =#195706 |
None of this, for all the talk of 'billions' goes beyond the petty criminal, nor even acknowledges the covert means of enacting political decisions in the strategic interests of 'Great Nations', and who benefits from those policies being carried out. Israel is a client beach head nation kept afloat by US arms and cash. Of course it makes itself useful, but it doesn't wag the dog.
As was aptly stated, to imagine otherwise is cartoon stuff.
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| blackcat wrote: | | His post was the stupidest attempt to deny Israei involvement in the mass murder of 9/11 and his usual smear of anti-Semitism is as reasonable as saying attacking Hitler is really a racist attack on Germans. Drivel! He plays that trump card at every opportunity and it is threadbare. |
So why does it invariably seem that you have no primary interest in the involvement of any other players in the acts of 911?
In case it escaped you, that was the reason for providing thumbnail definitions of 'involvement' and 'responsibility'.
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| karlos wrote: | | Ian - i disagree. There is never any excuse for using the N word. But the fact that you thought it was ok speaks for itself. |
Karlos, your faux outrage at the use of a hypothetical, rather than dealing with the principle it was intended to illustrate, also speaks volumes.
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So why does it invariably seem that you have no primary interest in the involvement of any other players in the acts of 911?
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What makes you think that people who raise the Zionist/Jewish issue have no other interest??.....
The reason this issue is debated ad nauseam on this site is because people get attacked for stating the obvious and then find that they are defending themselves against mostly ad hominem abuse from all kinds of quarters.
In everyday life I have very little to say on this issue though I often raise 9/11. On this board, however, I take the view that if an issue is taboo that is a very good reason for standing up and arguing one's corner.
If you deny that the suppressors of these issues do not indulge in abuse rather than debate see Dogsmilk's latest contribution and his characterisation of people like me on the other thread (of course even the best 'debates' are little more than a dialogue of the deaf anyway):
"Evening News article on 7/7..."
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Hello gareth....
With regard to the Danse article.....
Not one shred of evidence questioning what I have posted........
johndoraemi...states the following;
"This whole thing smells of a straw man.
You have not exonerated the Israelis, nor explained the massive Mossad operation, parts of which were exposed.
You set up a false premise that only Israel was to blame, therefore making it easy to caricature and dismiss.
This is classic straw man fallacy.
Our system isn't all one or the other. It's a collection of like minded interests. To fail to see that is to fail at being relevant."
hello chek....
Why are you in denile about 9/11 truth....?
I would recommend the postings of alicethekurious , but in terms of hours/days and not a few minutes.
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| kbo234 wrote: | | chek wrote: |
So why does it invariably seem that you have no primary interest in the involvement of any other players in the acts of 911?
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What makes you think that people who raise the Zionist/Jewish issue have no other interest??..... |
You didn't finish the sentence kbo, and that's not what I actually said.
| kbo234 wrote: | | The reason this issue is debated ad nauseam on this site is because people get attacked for stating the obvious and then find that they are defending themselves against mostly ad hominem abuse from all kinds of quarters. |
And I'm questioning why only one particularly damaging aspect of 'the obvious' is continually raised by a certain group here.
| kbo234 wrote: | | In everyday life I have very little to say on this issue though I often raise 9/11. On this board, however, I take the view that if an issue is taboo that is a very good reason for standing up and arguing one's corner. |
Then perhaps knee-jerk reactions aren't the wisest basis for expressing yourself when making a post.
I saw a very effective satire on that thread, but no abuse as such apart from the Gobell character's participation, which in itself is offensive on several levels.
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| blackbear wrote: | hello chek....
Why are you in denile about 9/11 truth....?
I would recommend the postings of alicethekurious , but in terms of hours/days and not a few minutes.
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I don't see myself as being in denial.
I would ask you why you mainly focus on only one small aspect, at the expense of the bigger picture?
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| chek wrote: | | So why does it invariably seem that you have no primary interest in the involvement of any other players in the acts of 911? |
You are playing with semantics - typical of your circular arguments. Your question is meant to imply that I single out Israel so that you can then move on to say I am singling out Jews, something you constantly assert. It is as silly as you blaming Germans instead of Nazis for the horrors of WW2, or someone calling you an anti-German racist because you hate the Nazis.
Israeli occupied Capitol Hill is the problem, not the US government itself but the fact they are owned by the Israeli lobby.
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| blackcat wrote: | | Israeli occupied Capitol Hill is the problem, not the US government itself but the fact they are owned by the Israeli lobby. |
So you've determined that the US imperialists are not to blame, but rather some conveniently condemnable outside usurpers.
Mission accomplished, I'd say.
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I saw a very effective satire on that thread, but no abuse ... |
This 'satire' is only 'effective' in the eyes of a person who judges anyone who raises questions about the holocaust or Talmudism (or whatever) as a hate-filled fool at best and an utter Nazi at worst.
This 'satire' looks to me like masturbatory self-indulgence.
This is what takes place in these exchanges. There is no real debate only abuse.
I find being characterised and misrepresented in such a fashion offensive......
......but not so much as to make me care about it.
Your side find any reference to the issue of:
1) 'the Holocaust' as a brainwashing, Zionist empowering, guilt-inducing meme
2) Proven lies......lampshades, soap..etc..
3) Talmudism as a racist, anti-Christian (and, therefore, Luciferian) religion.
4) The completely disproportionate wealth, power and influence of the Jews in western society
offensive......
.......see, here I go again.......what other way is there to state a case. You imply people who say these things are Nazi degenerates....
....you repeatedly fail to address the detail we raise in these exchanges.
There's nowhere to go is there??
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| karlos wrote: | | This is probably the reason why the public can correctly point fingers at racism on this forum. Post something anti Islamic, anti Black, etc and its ok. But post up something anti Zionist and there is a storm of indignation. Double standards. |
Got any evidence for this slur karlos?
I don't care if people consider the 9/11 truth movement to be irrational or crazy (IMO the evidence says otherwise) but racism is different.
Granted I can find you lots examples of people like Jon Ronson, George Monbiot, Rachel North and 9/11 Cultwatch writing articles making such suggestions (not that they in anyway represent the 'public') but it is all based on the accusation that 'anti-semitism' is rife here and the evidence they cite is a few select quotations from the avalanche of posts from the same usual suspects, yourself included Karlos
In case anyone is unclear who I'm talking about it is posters who promote the 'holohoax', who criticise the criticism of Nick Kollerstrom, who are happy to post content and opinions of people clearly linked to the far-right and racists or at the least attack Dogsmilk and myself for pointing out these racist connections.
Useful idiots and agents the lot of you.
Now put up some evidence for anti-black or anti-muslim content or withdraw the slur. |
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