But there has to be a reason why we have not detected traces of alien civilisations in other star systems, he added.
1. the technology is'nt good enough.
2. we are to dumb and expect other inteligent life to mirror our own therefore we are looking for the wrong signs.
3. its being suppressed.
4. any inteligent life close enough to detect has not reached a period(if they ever do or would) of detectable technology/signals etc but would become evident if we could travel to other systems to get a closer look (chances are slim to impossible in the fore seeable future).
5. there is nothing to find, its all in our heads, we were a freak accident (bad news for the other species on the planet).
6. any signals have not reached us yet or are blocked out for some reason so would never reach us.
anyone know if radiation aids or muffles out signals?
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: On UFOs
About a month ago I was walking down a road in Edinburgh and what I saw was like a large string of fairy lights in the sky. I thought that they must have been put there perhaps by a someone in a hot air balloon or something like that and for some purpose. They seemed to get less as I walked down the hill. I thought nothing more about it but on the Tuesday there were reports in the paper about this and it was described as an "alien" sighting. People were writing in to say that the students who saw it must have been taking drugs. SEveral other people wrote in to say that they had not been taking anything and also saw the lights. No man made explanation appeared. They must have been higher that I thought or moving because they were seen in different locations in the South of Edinburgh. I just happened to be out during the 10 minutes or so that they were visible.
Barbara
Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 577 Location: Yorkshire
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:40 am Post subject:
Stephen Hawking wrote:
Aliens MUST exist... but they will be even dumber than us
That's the most dumb or arrogant statement I ever heard. (take your pick) _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: On UFOs
Barbara Maver wrote:
About a month ago I was walking down a road in Edinburgh and what I saw was like a large string of fairy lights in the sky. I thought that they must have been put there perhaps by a someone in a hot air balloon or something like that and for some purpose. They seemed to get less as I walked down the hill. I thought nothing more about it but on the Tuesday there were reports in the paper about this and it was described as an "alien" sighting. People were writing in to say that the students who saw it must have been taking drugs. SEveral other people wrote in to say that they had not been taking anything and also saw the lights. No man made explanation appeared. They must have been higher that I thought or moving because they were seen in different locations in the South of Edinburgh. I just happened to be out during the 10 minutes or so that they were visible.
Barbara
This is going on a fair bit although there has [as is usually the case with the prankster-like and surreal UFO scene] ALSO been a rise in sightings of legitimate orange orb type objects.
I think whilst 4 out of 5 of the UK sightings of "orange orbs" are indeed lanterns, the other 1 is a real anomaly. If the footage is good enough it is actually fairly easy to tell by speed, movement and appearance over time. _________________ http://exopolitics.org.uk http://chemtrailsUK.net http://alienfalseflagagenda.net
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However, Professor Hawking said the odds were in favour of the existence of suitable planets ripe for colonisation.
If only one per cent of the 1,000 or so stars within 30 light years of our solar system had an Earth-size rocky planet in just the right place for life, there would still be ten potential candidates for colonisation in our "neighbourhood", he said.
"We cannot envision visiting them with current technology, but we should make interstellar travel a long-term aim," he said.
"By long term, I mean over the next 200 to 500 years."
200-500 years??? Waaaay too late the way we are going.
We should be building advanced ships with long-term life support and exploration potential now.
intresting story, thanks for the link. im not sure i believe this one though, something dos'nt ring true. maybe its just me..
Yup - but one thing i NEVER get when people claim some of the more reasonable and legit [as I see it] whistle-blowers are called liars and this is
WHY??
Why would people risk all the nonsense that comes with making up a story??
Obviously if you are some deluded, schizoid type attention seeker OR the M.I.C. have got a reel of fake film with you buggering a minor you may end up doing this but David Adair seems 100% reasonable and
- his history backs up the claim
- we know that ET tech is sat in various military and civillian bases, this is not conjecture.
like i said its proberbly just me. there are two things that make me suspicious both are behaviour related which instantly makes me distrust him.
the first is at certain times during the talk he keeps looking up to one side of his head, this shows he is thinking about something to say and he brakes any eye contact.
a cosmetic point, but in my experience somebody who is relaying something which really did occur to them would not usually have to think on their feet, it all comes back and flows out. especially if your talking about something that person has a lot of knowledge about.
the second thing that makes me suspicous is the story about going to cambridge, england, during that part he seems to be trying to hard to convince everyone he is really inteligent and makes a point about correcting other scientists calculations, i don't know why, but i don't trust this part of the story and am sceptical due to the way he trys to sell it.
i am proberbly wrong. i am judging him on character i suppose, but i cannot help my instincts. i simply need more than that interview to be convinced.
it dos'nt matter what i think anyway. its not like my opinion matters. i am just a poster on a forum who has an opinion. im not an expert and i cannot prove the guy in the interview is lieing.
But Mr Pybis said: "I'm a sceptic, I didn't believe in UFOs. But until you've actually seen one - well I saw seven - then I thought, they are out there."
so true. i think most are sceptics untill they see one or seven in this case.
Anyone know why they sail over Mexico City with unerring regularity?
not without speculating. certain countries seem to have peak periods of sightings, which the u.k is currently experiencing. however it depends on what you think 'they' are as to why this may be the case.
from my research i've seen signs these u.f.o's have been seen throughout history, going right back to early civilisations. they may be attracted to certain spots looking for those cultures they once had contact with. ie: mayans. that is if you think they are from 'anotherworld' . imagine going away and then coming back but the world has changed beyond reconition. (just speculation but possible).
if you tend to think these things are more 'human made' then you'd be looking for near by military bases.
i keep an open mind, i have no clue as to why or where they come from or what they are, all i know is there is certainly something unknown to the public flying around in the sky and orbit/near orbit termed u.f.o's.
all there is IS speculation untill more is known, or trusting certain peoples information more than others(which is something i will not do). but mexico does seem to be a huge hotspot for sure whatever the reason.
It has been reported, by several Central or South American UFO researchers, that they appear to have a special interest in volcanoes and earthquake zones. Given the huge number of inhabitants in that area, the chances of their craft being spotted by someone are greater than in a fairly unpopulated earthquake zone, maybe.
Then, there are the Aztec prophecies:-
"In the era of the Sixth Sun, all that was buried will be discovered.
Truth shall be the seed of life and the sons of the Sixth Sun
will be the ones who travel through the stars."
Perhaps they were making sure that people familiar with the prophecies, could witness their fulfillment (or possible fulfillment). Truth shall be the seed of Life. It's a nice prophecy. Wouldn't hurt people to hope for and work towards it. The sighting of possible star travellers by people familiar with the prophecies, and who will then tell others about them, will feed that hope.
I've seen four UFO's "live". But the best recorded footage of them seems to be from Mexico.
These UK sightings just seem like the Chinese lanterns again. They're released into the sky like mini hot-air balloons and usually glow bright red. They can move around fairly crazily too if the wind is up. The last couple of major UK sightings have been explained as being these balloons.
These UK sightings just seem like the Chinese lanterns again. They're released into the sky like mini hot-air balloons and usually glow bright red. They can move around fairly crazily too if the wind is up. The last couple of major UK sightings have been explained as being these balloons.
You think experienced police officers would be duped by paper lanterns? You think a helicopter could not catch up with drifting paper lanterns?
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject:
marky 54 wrote:
Quote:
But Mr Pybis said: "I'm a sceptic, I didn't believe in UFOs. But until you've actually seen one - well I saw seven - then I thought, they are out there."
so true. i think most are sceptics untill they see one or seven in this case.
Although the Christian/Judaic/Islam religions have tried to suppress this, UFOs have been seen for many thousands of years! They expect us to believe without question, some 'sacred' writings of a couple of thousand years ago (or less) but suppress data about ETs & UFOs which people have seen during the same time period, as well as for much longer! _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates
But Mr Pybis said: "I'm a sceptic, I didn't believe in UFOs. But until you've actually seen one - well I saw seven - then I thought, they are out there."
so true. i think most are sceptics untill they see one or seven in this case.
Although the Christian/Judaic/Islam religions have tried to suppress this, UFOs have been seen for many thousands of years! They expect us to believe without question, some 'sacred' writings of a couple of thousand years ago (or less) but suppress data about ETs & UFOs which people have seen during the same time period, as well as for much longer!
aye. ive seen stuff to support that. but it is hard to know for sure what the truth is (lots of disinfo around to).
sceptics will always be sceptical untill they see one. i never took things like this seriously untill i saw one. its just the way it seems to work. i'd imagine it is the same with anything that goes into the unknown for most people.
it would literally take hundreds of mass sightings all caught on video around the same time to convince the unconvinced there might be something other than lanterns.
ive never seen a ghost, so i am sceptical as to if they exsist, if i did see one maybe i'd think differently but it would'nt change the publics view on it even if i got really good footage of it. i'd just be another fake seeking attention to those who are sceptical and who have not seen one.
It has been reported, by several Central or South American UFO researchers, that they appear to have a special interest in volcanoes and earthquake zones. Given the huge number of inhabitants in that area, the chances of their craft being spotted by someone are greater than in a fairly unpopulated earthquake zone, maybe.
Then, there are the Aztec prophecies:-
"In the era of the Sixth Sun, all that was buried will be discovered.
Truth shall be the seed of life and the sons of the Sixth Sun
will be the ones who travel through the stars."
Perhaps they were making sure that people familiar with the prophecies, could witness their fulfillment (or possible fulfillment). Truth shall be the seed of Life. It's a nice prophecy. Wouldn't hurt people to hope for and work towards it. The sighting of possible star travellers by people familiar with the prophecies, and who will then tell others about them, will feed that hope.
I've seen four UFO's "live". But the best recorded footage of them seems to be from Mexico.
Dear Danny, I hope you are well, in good spirit and having a good day.
As far as I know tobacco and cocaine were used in Egyptian mummification and embalming. I once saw a programme broadcast by the BBC many years ago about tobacco being used by the ancient Egyptians.
There’s mention of it in a more recent programme by the BBC.
Tobacco and cocaine in Egyptian mummies - Science Forums25 Nov 2007 ... Do findings of tobacco and cocaine in ancient mummies in Egypt indicate ... I saw the BBC programme on Captain Cook last week and it made me ...
hypography.com/forums/history-forum/12770-tobacco-cocaine-egyptian-mum mies.html
I didn’t know at the time that tobacco was indigenous to the Americas (islands to the west) Genesis.
Phoenicians/Israelites tribe of Gad (always traveling, Gadding about ) Aztec and Mayan?
Dr Carol Rosin talks about Von Braun's thoughts on the need for space based weapons. How the Russians would be used as the basis for needing them followed by terrorists then 3rd world country crazies and then asteroids. Finally it would be Aliens. "And remember - all of it is a lie!" he said. _________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell.
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject:
truthseeker john wrote:
Although the Christian/Judaic/Islam religions have tried to suppress this, UFOs have been seen for many thousands of years! They expect us to believe without question, some 'sacred' writings of a couple of thousand years ago (or less) but suppress data about ETs & UFOs which people have seen during the same time period, as well as for much longer!
Sweeping statement? I wasnt aware that these faiths had tried to suppress such things. On the contrary Christianity has UFOs as part of its faith. But maybe not in the same vein as the little green men in space ships. The wise men followed a bright light which was in one sense a UFO as it was unusual. Probably every flying creature created by God was a UFO to the first people on earth. Its only as the years went on we have the Bill Oddies to identify them. The book of revelation speaks of some strange "animals" with wings flying, and also angels. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
The infamous Ezekiel's wheel story is always a favourite. Chapter 1 I believe...
After he sees some strange kind of crafts come down from the sky, with the appearance of metal and with "living creatures" in them.
Ezekiel 1:16 (NIV)
This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
Dear Danny, I hope you are well, in good spirit and having a good day.
As far as I know tobacco and cocaine were used in Egyptian mummification and embalming. I once saw a programme broadcast by the BBC many years ago about tobacco being used by the ancient Egyptians.
There’s mention of it in a more recent programme by the BBC.
Tobacco and cocaine in Egyptian mummies - Science Forums25 Nov 2007 ... Do findings of tobacco and cocaine in ancient mummies in Egypt indicate ... I saw the BBC programme on Captain Cook last week and it made me ...
hypography.com/forums/history-forum/12770-tobacco-cocaine-egyptian-mum mies.html
I didn’t know at the time that tobacco was indigenous to the Americas (islands to the west) Genesis.
Phoenicians/Israelites tribe of Gad (always traveling, Gadding about ) Aztec and Mayan?
Dear Andrew,
Thank-you, and likewise. Another interesting "puzzle". Who knows?
Perhaps you will have read about the Mandans also?
Sweeping statement? I wasnt aware that these faiths had tried to suppress such things. On the contrary Christianity has UFOs as part of its faith. But maybe not in the same vein as the little green men in space ships. The wise men followed a bright light which was in one sense a UFO as it was unusual. Probably every flying creature created by God was a UFO to the first people on earth. Its only as the years went on we have the Bill Oddies to identify them. The book of revelation speaks of some strange "animals" with wings flying, and also angels.
Good post Fish. Not to mention a city descending from the sky (New Jerusalem), also.
And this account (thanks to Lee for reminding me of Ezekiel) leaves no doubt as to the object being a spaceship. It is called "Ezekiel's Wheel" and is allegedly part of the Dead Sea Scrolls:-
Quote:
Another scroll found in 1952 speaks of Ezekiel's Wheel
He was thirty years old. His birthday was the 5th of July when this event took place. Ezekiel speaking, "The Hand of the Lord is upon me (revealed). The Mighty Arm of Elohiem rose up from the river Chebar and touched my tongue. Then my eyes, then my headin the midst of the whirlwind caused by the wheel within another wheel thus emanating from the north. The living creatures were like Angels. The Beings looked like men. The wheels did touch the Earth, the fire subsided and the door of the chamber opened and the silver pathway was lowered by the Angels." The Angels beckoned to Ezekiel to come close, to place his feet onto the silver pathway and he proceeded to join together with the Angels.
They then sat and together broke bread, drank and had fellowship together. Ezekiel was then shown the future as God so directed them. As they yet spoke, the silver pathway which came down was raised in the wheel. Ezekiel marveled at the wheel and the grandeur of the Earth falling away beneath his feet.
Among the marvels of the Earth below, Ezekiel saw the grandeur of the Sun, the moon and the stars such as he never saw before. He wept aloud as the Angels of the Lord lifted their hands and their eyes and offered praise unto the Lord of Creation.
The wheels departed from the Earth high above that of the most powerful eagle. Ezekiel saw and witnessed and understood the True meaning of Divine Fellowship between man and those who have come from afar to help the sons and daughters of men.
Sleep overcame Ezekiel and when he awoke he found himself lying near the shore of the river Chebar. He witnessed and gazed upon the circle wherein the wheel had left its mark.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject:
Britain's most famous 'UFO' was a burning lorry packed with stolen fertiliser, says driver
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:52 AM on 05th September 2009
The truth is out there: Peter Turtill has claimed the 'UFO' people thought they were seeing was actually a burning lorry filled with fertiliser
For nearly 30 years UFO enthusiasts have been poring over a high-profile incident dubbed Britain's 'Roswell'.
But now a lorry driver has come forward to claim it was he who was responsible for the infamous UFO sighting near Woodbridge, Suffolk, in December 1980.
Peter Turtill, 66, said witnesses who reported to have seen strange lights were actually watching a truck filled with burning fertiliser.
Mr Turtill said he had been amazed at the way news of the explosive drama had snowballed over the years - triggering dozens of books, documentaries, outlandish stories and bizarre theories.
US Air Force personnel claimed a UFO had landed in Rendlesham Forest, leaving traces including inexplicable markings on the ground and acute radiation.
Well my conclusion on "alien abductions" is that of 3 possibilities.
1. Non-Human
2. Government and/or Agencies
3. Non-Human and Government and/or Agencies
Peace
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