HAS ANYONE COME UP WITH A RESPONSE TO THE CONSPIRACY FILE'S REASON TO WHY WTC7 CAME DOWN IN THE MANNER IT DID?
SINCE MY LAST POST, I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANYTHING WRITTEN EITHER ON THIS FORUM OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT HAS MANAGED TO DEBUNK THE UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION THEORY.
I KNOW IT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR THIS TO BE SAID BUT NOW IT HAS, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE?
BEFORE I SAW THE WTC7 CONSPIRACY FILES PROGRAMME I FIRMLY BELIEVED IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
NOW I AM WAITING FOR A PLAUSIBLE REPLY.
NO DOUBT SO ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE.
HAS ANYONE COME UP WITH A RESPONSE TO THE CONSPIRACY FILE'S REASON TO WHY WTC7 CAME DOWN IN THE MANNER IT DID?
SINCE MY LAST POST, I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANYTHING WRITTEN EITHER ON THIS FORUM OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT HAS MANAGED TO DEBUNK THE UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION THEORY.
I KNOW IT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR THIS TO BE SAID BUT NOW IT HAS, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE?
BEFORE I SAW THE WTC7 CONSPIRACY FILES PROGRAMME I FIRMLY BELIEVED IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
NOW I AM WAITING FOR A PLAUSIBLE REPLY.
NO DOUBT SO ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE.
Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 296 Location: Halifax, West Yorkshire
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Own goal
Nick is right. I would say that the BBC have scored an own goal.
astro3 wrote:
This BBC film is an opportunity for us. It has presented all of the centrally-relevant evidence for the first time ever. The British public have now heard it, and not just from loony ‘conspiracy theorists’ but from the BBC. Is that an achievement or what?
Absolutely.
However, public opinion will be swayed more by what follows in the media than by the BBC programme itself.
astro3 wrote:
The official view that was presented is going to fall apart in viewers’ minds very quickly. It’s totally incredible, ...
This will happen if we are successful in tackling the ad hominem onslaught and ridicule that will now follow in the mainstream media.
astro3 wrote:
This could be also an opportunity to put out a press release, commending the BBC’s balance of views in this program (Ian: ‘Surely tonight's programme offers more reason to be hopeful that in reporting the truth movement they will at least be fair’), then itemising a number of points as people are here making.
I don't know about commending the balance of views, but otherwise, yes, I agree. My own approach was to encapsulate the BBC's theory into a few words, to throw it back at them, because when you do that it's not only ridiculous, but it's seen to be ridiculous
But we need to get out there to do that. I've tackled the BBC blog, but there must be many other outlets, too.
Another positive approach may be to constantly press for the BBC to broadcast 'ZERO'. Putting all the pressure on the BBC to do that might just persuade Channel Four to do it .
SINCE MY LAST POST, I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANYTHING WRITTEN EITHER ON THIS FORUM OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT HAS MANAGED TO DEBUNK THE UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION THEORY.
This is such desperate stuff and so obviously fails to account for many aspects of the collapse...e.g. the free-fall speeds, the symettrical nature of the collapse.....why bother researching what these liars mean by this 'unique construction'. This is obvious bullsh*t intended only to deceive. No 'unique construction' can explain total symettrical free-fall collapse unless perhaps steel is capable of undergoing a sudden identity crises and coming to the conclusion that it is really marmalade.
Quote:
BEFORE I SAW THE WTC7 CONSPIRACY FILES PROGRAMME I FIRMLY BELIEVED IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
NOW I AM WAITING FOR A PLAUSIBLE REPLY.
NO DOUBT SO ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE.
So you found that phrase 'unique construction' implied some kind of 'plausible' explanation for......
.......the law of conservation of momentum failing to apply to a series of collisions of floor-on-floor......
......for the fact that thousands of failures of steel beams occurred simultaneously at successive levels to ensure that WTC7 would land neatly into its own footprint.
......for the collapse taking place at almost exactly free-fall speeds.
Can you explain to us all how any kind of 'unique construction' could possibly create such effects?
If you don't mind me saying so I find it implausible that any 'firm belief' in the controlled demolition of WTC7 could be disturbed by such obvious nonsense.
It's simple. If a theory is based on a hypothesis, it is not a theory. There is no Unique Construction Theory.
amaninblack wrote:
SINCE MY LAST POST, I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANYTHING WRITTEN EITHER ON THIS FORUM OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT HAS MANAGED TO DEBUNK THE UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION THEORY.
Especially if the hypothesis itself is based on computer simulations that haven't yet been run.
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: WTC7
THANKS FOR THE REPLIES. I JUST NEEDED SOME ANSWERS AND COULD NOT FIND THE WORDS FULLY MYSELF.
I HAVE BEEN WATCHING AND SUPPORTING THE CALL FOR 9/11 TRUTH FOR A FEW YEARS. I THINK THEY IMPLIED THE UNIQUE DESIGN MEANT THE STEEL COLLAPSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVED I GUESS.
ANOTHER POINT RAISED WAS:
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO PLANT EXPLOSIVES WITHOUT NO-ONE NOTICING?
As far as the 'Bavarian Brainwashing Corporation' goes, what ever the're selling, i ain't buying.
The licence fee is, is the Masons sucking money out of the sheeple, to pay for their own brainwashing.
Licence fee collectors are the Mafia, collecting on behalf of the Masons.
There is no law supporting their claims either. It means you don't have to pay it, lawfully.
If they question it, just ask them to show you a contract with your signiture on it?
Animalblack wrote:
Quote:
ANOTHER POINT RAISED WAS:
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO PLANT EXPLOSIVES WITHOUT NO-ONE NOTICING?
Loosechange second edition covered this, or one of the Alex Jones documenteries.
Although another theory being presented recently, was it could have been space based weaponry which is not commonly known.
Or that they have anti-grave technology and are using ultrasonic weapons, which could be responsible for the powdering of the concreate.
The thermate was installed 5 weeks before the event, they shut down the entire building to carry out emergency 'MAINTAINANCE' works, 'cough,' splutter, [its really a masonic sun ritual opening the star-gate] to inspect the building for potential fire hazards, they said in the film.
It is when they drilled into the walls strapping thermate charges to the un-welded x-bracing supporting the staeel frame-work inside the building.
There is an interview with a bank employee explaining the irregularitys of the Maintainance work.
Again you should see Eric John Phelps and his 'Vatican Assassins' lectures on google video. an essential history lesson putting all the movements of the Gloominutzi and Machinations into perspective.
excuse the bibble bashing he does, and you'll see an amazing story. don't forget to click the link to see parts 2 & 3.
Next level technology is how their are doing it today, there is a huge growing body of evidence poining in this direction.
One book of the Bibble Phelps leaves out is the book of 'enoch'
Where it says that, 'the Gods got on space-ships and left for the stars.'
I wonder why the Book of Enoch, is NOT in the Authorised King James Bible. _________________ The queens real name is: Saxe Coburg Gotha. not Windsor. They were installed in 1915.
Government, Meaning/Translation;
Govern = To Control;
Ment, taken from Latin/Greek, Mente = Mind
Government = Control Mind.
THANKS FOR THE REPLIES. I JUST NEEDED SOME ANSWERS AND COULD NOT FIND THE WORDS FULLY MYSELF.
I HAVE BEEN WATCHING AND SUPPORTING THE CALL FOR 9/11 TRUTH FOR A FEW YEARS. I THINK THEY IMPLIED THE UNIQUE DESIGN MEANT THE STEEL COLLAPSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVED I GUESS.
ANOTHER POINT RAISED WAS:
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO PLANT EXPLOSIVES WITHOUT NO-ONE NOTICING?
WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
Mike Rudin Spinmaster. Listen!
WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries.
We do not and will not fall for anyone claiming that the case is solved with the view solely on one point!
I just put together the main valid points and hints for an inside job in the last two weeks, points that can not be debunked, as they stand straight for the seventh year after the attacks, and were nearly never touched by “debunkers”. There is no special order in that points, and I’m sure I can add another 200 ones- I’m just not in the mood for deliver hard facts to ignorants. And, BTW, I have sources for all points, valid sources, established sources. It’s no problem to research it.
1: The failing interception of the hijacked planes and the lying from NORAD and FAA. No one was held accountable.
2: Wargames and Exercises that day- cover and confusion
3: Angel is next
4: Secret Service in Booker Elementary School did not evacuate Bush immediately- they know he was not in danger
5: Many members of the Bush Admin spoke of opportunities that 9/11 offered, Bush inclusive.
6: The change in chain of command in case of hijacking- accentuated to Rumsfeld who was MIA that day.
7: Cheney as Master of Wargames in the PEOC, with Norman Mineta testimony “plane is 30 miles out”, exposed the lie when Cheney entered the PEOC and that they tracked the flights but did nothing “do the order still stand?”
8: Lies of the US admin regarding forewarnings- there were countless ones.
9: Lies of the US admin that nobody could imagine such a scenario- exposed through books (Bachmans Running Man), through televison (Pilot of “The Lone Gunmen” aired half a year before 9/11) , plans like OP Bojinka that were found 1995 and through WTC security analysis like Schnabolk did and even military trainings of NORAD and FEMA anticipated such a scenario
10: Investigations into the terror plot were shut down by superiors, FBI and CIA alike.
Nancy Floyd, Kenneth Williams, Coleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, Ali Soufan, John O’Neill. The 9/11 timesline lists hundreds of events which illustrated how this was done: keep all field agents in dark while all agency superiors knew all all along: the Yemen Hub, the Malaysia Summit, San Diego. Etc. The alleged “wall” between the agencies is a myth, there were two units on track of the terrorist who handled that “problem” by creating units with members of all agencies, I-49 squad and Alec Station.
11: The terror groups were infiltrated from the early days on: Zakhary, Ali Mohamed, Emad Salem, Randy Glass, Abduss Attar Sheikh, Melvin Lattimore (Marvin Lattimore) and many more. The blind Sheik Abdel Rahman was “hands off”.
12: Quaint foreknowledge: Israels instant messager company Odigo receiced a warning before the attack, source WaPo, Ha’aretz. ZIM, an Israely state shipping company with ties to arm smuggling to Iran (CNN), moved out off the WTC several weeks before 9/11, URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS, the dancing Israelis, were there to document the event and high-fiving.
Silverstein had a doctors appointment, his kids were running late that day, if not, all of them would be on the 88. floor of the North Tower and trapped.
SF mayor Willie Brown was told not to fly that day, John Ashroft didn’t for a whole month before.
13: “Elephant” traces left behind to get the idea of “moslem terrorists”, while no one took credentials. Looks arranged.
14: Al Qaeda terror videos used pictures of FBI from the hijackers- did they had no own ones? A video showing Atta and Jared in Afghanistan, promoted as evidence, was part of a western intelligence sting OP and shown in the documentary “Road to Guantanamo”, it could be established that some picures were shown the “foreign combattants” back in 2003, while the terror evidence hoax was promoted in 2007!
15: The leader of the free world, surrounded by inncocent first graders- a Psy-OP. A tip more and it would become bizarre.
16: Reducing the body count through prepairedness and exercises as well as the overall conducting- FEMA arrived late Monday night in New York for TRIPOD III, at the Pentagon a mass casualty exercise was underway, the Secret Service scrambled in NY because of an UN meeting, the time of the attacks (just before the working starts in NY) the North Tower hit wide above, the South Tower on one hand side so that one stairwell remains intact, while it was evacuated and so on. Clearly islamic terrorist do want high body count, only someone with some sort of conscience would subscribe to a body count nearly as high as in a kind of Pearl Harbor attack, the script analogy, that was adressed many times before and after 9/11.
17: The Bush Admin and its lack of will to investigate the attacks- we all knew of the question to Daschle and Co. to limit the scope of an investigation, the underfinanced 9/11 commission set up to fail in late 2002, the trick to perform the FBI to “never again” instead of researching 9/11, and to sidetrack the investigations with the never expelled Anthrax terror case.
18: Especially for Rudin: The role of the media as attack dogs, if there is nothing to hide, you don’t have to put out ad hominems. All kind of critic on Bush, even harmless one, was used to fire journalists after 9/11. Unpatriotic- McCarthyism.
19: Osama is guilty- since Second Zero, as Tenet, Rumsfeld or Fox News told us- while they promised to deliver a white paper for his guilt, we wait till today, Osama left unaccounted…
20. Pentagon was hit- the best defended building in the world.
21: The date- 9/11 as Emergency Call, a PSY-OP, but on the same day the Pentagon was begun to built, the NWO speech of G.Bush, 11 years before, 9/11 111 days from the end of the year. Muslim terrorists won’t use kabbalistiks, it’s demons work.
22: WTC 7 fire alarm was off due to test modus, no fire alarm data was provided in WTC 1 and 2, besides that all WTC alarms were sent offsite by satellite- someone is lying to us.
The repeater system did also malfunction, NIST claims a button was not pressed, but the very specialist for fire safety was with the firefighters at the fire command station in the North Tower Lobby. Mike Hurley. Incompetence? Again with no consequences. As for Rudy Giuliani.
23: Forged Evidence: The Al-Sutami pass surviving the WTC “infernos”, the new red bandana recovered from UA93, the CVR recordings of UA93 that do not stand up to closer scrutiny, all important data that would validate the authentification is amiss, the hijackers used a “Allah Akbar”, instead of what muslim experts say, the last words before dying were “”I testify there is no god but god and mohammed is the prophet of god.” And Allah Akbar would only be what a bad Hollywood script writer think of what they would say.
The “Osama is guilty” Pentagon video, found “coincidentally” in Jalalabad.
PFLP credential claim a fake- as dancing Palestinians, an old video.
24: Abu Ali Mustafa was murdered by Israel two weeks before 9/11- Mustafa was a leading man in the PFLP, who once hijacked four planes to bomb them, but failed to do so.
Bassum Abu Sharifs mentioned a plan is his autobiography: Haddads plan had been simple: stuff the light plane to the gills with high explosives, then get Abu Harb to fly the pre-planned route and crash it right into the middle of Tel Aviv’s tallest building, Shalom Tower.
There are hints that the PFLP was a Shin Bet/Mossad sting OP, like Entebbe and the Sayeret Matkal (David H. Colvin). On board of one plane on 9/11 was Daniel Lewin, once member of that group, allegedly stabbed by one hijacker. Protecting a high secret plan?
25: All evidence for demolitions in NY on 9/11: Molten metal, high-tempeatur attack (the “meteorite”), carbonized paper, vaporized bodies and elements as molybden and vanadium, traces of original Nano-Thermate, microscopic spheres, finger-print of molten iron / thermate residues, WTC7, the farce of FEMA and NIST investigation and so on.
26: The Put-Options as evidence someone know something, even is this was a cover for a general sell before 9/11 and buy back-action afterwards item.
27: Secrecy under the mantle of “national security” as homicide-argument- e.g. try to get a view on the rest of the planes, the Pentagon videos, the 7000 pictures from NY NIST claims it has in his pocket, the long overdue firefighter interviews only made public through court action and so on.
Missing floor plans and statics. Variables of all NIST evaluation and tests.
28: Cui Bono, the Neocon Noble Lie and legend of a foreign enemy to unite within, energy, economy, military budgets, UNOcoal, Pipeline, iraqi oil, permanent war on terra, they were capable of such a crime, had a motive and the occasion do to so as they overtook the US government.
29: Bush was not elected, remember the vote scandal in Florida- the media hides that recount result till after 9/11 even as it was ready, later, when no one could critize a war time president, so at last the results were published without publicity, in the back of a few newspapers, with false headlines and the view on only one recount ballot- the undervotes. Clearly Bush had an motive: from a lame duck, not elected, doing nothing in foreign policy and 5 weeks vacation to a war time beloved president and with 80 % approval rates. Clinton was enabled by terror- the WTC 93 false flag terror, too.
30: Mysterious money transactions in the Twins before they collapsed, Convar, Andrei Koudachev und Gary Faberov, Evergreen “First Equity”. How did they now they would get away with their crimes?
31: The US Patriot Act was signed into law late October- nearly 1000 pages of highly sophisticated juristic law, that’s totally impossible in just 4 weeks- the law was written before and laid on some desks in Washington.
32: The story of the missing paymaster told by Chaim Kupferberg.
33: The war in Afghanistan was ordered before 9/11. “Carpet of bombs”, Nifay Naik, US and British fleet on the way before 9/11.
34: The Jimjams of G.W. Bush, asked about foreknowledge- a criminal suspiciously behaviour.
35: The role of Saudi-Arabia in the plot, 9/11 hijackers tied to Saudi government, Graham says in book. Graham wrote that the staff of the congressional inquiry concluded that two Saudis in the San Diego area, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassan, who gave significant financial support to two hijackers, were working for the Saudi government.
3 sheiks turned dead after Zubadai sings their names in US custody to US intelligence services, as he believed he was held by Saudis and the princes would know what to do.
36: Saudi-Government denied that there was ever a quarrel about the suspect list with prince Saud and the US government- but we do have that document.
37: The mysteries surrounding Atta and Co., Military Schools, Jump Seats, Wolfgang Bohringer, Amanda Keller, Whiskey, Women and Drugs, Casino ships, Las Vegas Trips, their missing motive (Why did these 19 do what they did? Hamilton, “They hate us because of our freedom” is no real explanation) Their flights around the world despite beeing watchlisted, their travel destinations (Marriot at WTC), everything.
38: NIST concealed the ownership change in the months before 9/11 to Silverstein, so a dubious smell remains- Silverstein is no prime suspect for me, but to handle three buildings over to a men with jewish religion looks like a trap that was built up to dismiss all “hot demolition” claims as antisemitic- a claim that wouldn’t be possible with the PANYNJ in charge of the buildings. Besides that Lucky Larry had unbelieveable luck- only his buildings deconstructed in full on 9/11, other surrounding buildings do still stand, as Deutsche Bank building or Fiterman Hall, and keep in mind the asbestos concerns and other problems with a deconstruction of such large White Elephants. Not a single item of the treaties is known, even Vornado won’t tell us.
39: All the dis-info-artist out there are there for a reason- fog of war, ad hominems, divide and conquer, Co-Intel-Pro- the more because it became even more acute.
40: Black Boxes of WTC crash found or not?
“The FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.”
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.)
And Hamilton did not know- everytime somethings smells fishy he just do not know:
Hamilton: I do not recall any reference to the black box.
Solomon: Were they all found?
Hamilton: I do not know, off hand, I do not know.
41: Tape of Flight controllers was destroyed. Why?
42: Shock & Awe as described by the secret leader of the 9/11 commission:
Catastrophic Terrorism: Tackling the new danger. Philip Zelikow. Now was that article a fear mongering one or a wish-list? Could it be misinterpreted as the ladder by some rogue elements in the US admin, like the shadow government, which was established trough the JFK murder, false flag terror and all the roots of undisputed government misdoings the last 40 years?
43: The Doomsday Plane over Washington- they could get a full commando air station in the air and track the flights but could not intercept them.
44: The long established history of false flag state sponsored terrorism, especially with Israel and US- connections. King David Hotel bombing, some Irgun members dressed as arabs, Lavon Aiffair, some egypt jews recruited for bombings, the USS Liberty attack with unmarked Israel planes in accordance to president Johnson “I want to see that ship down” to get egypt and russia in the Israel war and to inflect the US.
So, if the media ever adress even a single point correctly, that means nothing for the reslt of all issues that 9/11 was an Inside Job with the approval of the highest ranking rogue elements in the US services and admin.
Movies I Made To Counter The BBC’s Argument That “The Final Mystery Of 9/11″ Has Been Solved
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
Recently, I’ve been a little busy making movies. The reason I got started making these movies was to counter the BBC’s claim that the “final mystery of 9/11″ has been solved. They said it two times as far as I know. The first time motivated me to make this:
go to link to see videos!! _________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell.
HAS ANYONE COME UP WITH A RESPONSE TO THE CONSPIRACY FILE'S REASON TO WHY WTC7 CAME DOWN IN THE MANNER IT DID?
SINCE MY LAST POST, I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANYTHING WRITTEN EITHER ON THIS FORUM OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT HAS MANAGED TO DEBUNK THE UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION THEORY.
I KNOW IT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR THIS TO BE SAID BUT NOW IT HAS, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE?
BEFORE I SAW THE WTC7 CONSPIRACY FILES PROGRAMME I FIRMLY BELIEVED IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
NOW I AM WAITING FOR A PLAUSIBLE REPLY.
NO DOUBT SO ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE.
WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
Mike Rudin Spinmaster. Listen!
WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries.
We do not and will not fall for anyone claiming that the case is solved with the view solely on one point!
I just put together the main valid points and hints for an inside job in the last two weeks, points that can not be debunked, as they stand straight for the seventh year after the attacks, and were nearly never touched by “debunkers”. There is no special order in that points, and I’m sure I can add another 200 ones- I’m just not in the mood for deliver hard facts to ignorants. And, BTW, I have sources for all points, valid sources, established sources. It’s no problem to research it.
1: The failing interception of the hijacked planes and the lying from NORAD and FAA. No one was held accountable.
2: Wargames and Exercises that day- cover and confusion
3: Angel is next
4: Secret Service in Booker Elementary School did not evacuate Bush immediately- they know he was not in danger
5: Many members of the Bush Admin spoke of opportunities that 9/11 offered, Bush inclusive.
6: The change in chain of command in case of hijacking- accentuated to Rumsfeld who was MIA that day.
7: Cheney as Master of Wargames in the PEOC, with Norman Mineta testimony “plane is 30 miles out”, exposed the lie when Cheney entered the PEOC and that they tracked the flights but did nothing “do the order still stand?”
8: Lies of the US admin regarding forewarnings- there were countless ones.
9: Lies of the US admin that nobody could imagine such a scenario- exposed through books (Bachmans Running Man), through televison (Pilot of “The Lone Gunmen” aired half a year before 9/11) , plans like OP Bojinka that were found 1995 and through WTC security analysis like Schnabolk did and even military trainings of NORAD and FEMA anticipated such a scenario
10: Investigations into the terror plot were shut down by superiors, FBI and CIA alike.
Nancy Floyd, Kenneth Williams, Coleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, Ali Soufan, John O’Neill. The 9/11 timesline lists hundreds of events which illustrated how this was done: keep all field agents in dark while all agency superiors knew all all along: the Yemen Hub, the Malaysia Summit, San Diego. Etc. The alleged “wall” between the agencies is a myth, there were two units on track of the terrorist who handled that “problem” by creating units with members of all agencies, I-49 squad and Alec Station.
11: The terror groups were infiltrated from the early days on: Zakhary, Ali Mohamed, Emad Salem, Randy Glass, Abduss Attar Sheikh, Melvin Lattimore (Marvin Lattimore) and many more. The blind Sheik Abdel Rahman was “hands off”.
12: Quaint foreknowledge: Israels instant messager company Odigo receiced a warning before the attack, source WaPo, Ha’aretz. ZIM, an Israely state shipping company with ties to arm smuggling to Iran (CNN), moved out off the WTC several weeks before 9/11, URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS, the dancing Israelis, were there to document the event and high-fiving.
Silverstein had a doctors appointment, his kids were running late that day, if not, all of them would be on the 88. floor of the North Tower and trapped.
SF mayor Willie Brown was told not to fly that day, John Ashroft didn’t for a whole month before.
13: “Elephant” traces left behind to get the idea of “moslem terrorists”, while no one took credentials. Looks arranged.
14: Al Qaeda terror videos used pictures of FBI from the hijackers- did they had no own ones? A video showing Atta and Jared in Afghanistan, promoted as evidence, was part of a western intelligence sting OP and shown in the documentary “Road to Guantanamo”, it could be established that some picures were shown the “foreign combattants” back in 2003, while the terror evidence hoax was promoted in 2007!
15: The leader of the free world, surrounded by inncocent first graders- a Psy-OP. A tip more and it would become bizarre.
16: Reducing the body count through prepairedness and exercises as well as the overall conducting- FEMA arrived late Monday night in New York for TRIPOD III, at the Pentagon a mass casualty exercise was underway, the Secret Service scrambled in NY because of an UN meeting, the time of the attacks (just before the working starts in NY) the North Tower hit wide above, the South Tower on one hand side so that one stairwell remains intact, while it was evacuated and so on. Clearly islamic terrorist do want high body count, only someone with some sort of conscience would subscribe to a body count nearly as high as in a kind of Pearl Harbor attack, the script analogy, that was adressed many times before and after 9/11.
17: The Bush Admin and its lack of will to investigate the attacks- we all knew of the question to Daschle and Co. to limit the scope of an investigation, the underfinanced 9/11 commission set up to fail in late 2002, the trick to perform the FBI to “never again” instead of researching 9/11, and to sidetrack the investigations with the never expelled Anthrax terror case.
18: Especially for Rudin: The role of the media as attack dogs, if there is nothing to hide, you don’t have to put out ad hominems. All kind of critic on Bush, even harmless one, was used to fire journalists after 9/11. Unpatriotic- McCarthyism.
19: Osama is guilty- since Second Zero, as Tenet, Rumsfeld or Fox News told us- while they promised to deliver a white paper for his guilt, we wait till today, Osama left unaccounted…
20. Pentagon was hit- the best defended building in the world.
21: The date- 9/11 as Emergency Call, a PSY-OP, but on the same day the Pentagon was begun to built, the NWO speech of G.Bush, 11 years before, 9/11 111 days from the end of the year. Muslim terrorists won’t use kabbalistiks, it’s demons work.
22: WTC 7 fire alarm was off due to test modus, no fire alarm data was provided in WTC 1 and 2, besides that all WTC alarms were sent offsite by satellite- someone is lying to us.
The repeater system did also malfunction, NIST claims a button was not pressed, but the very specialist for fire safety was with the firefighters at the fire command station in the North Tower Lobby. Mike Hurley. Incompetence? Again with no consequences. As for Rudy Giuliani.
23: Forged Evidence: The Al-Sutami pass surviving the WTC “infernos”, the new red bandana recovered from UA93, the CVR recordings of UA93 that do not stand up to closer scrutiny, all important data that would validate the authentification is amiss, the hijackers used a “Allah Akbar”, instead of what muslim experts say, the last words before dying were “”I testify there is no god but god and mohammed is the prophet of god.” And Allah Akbar would only be what a bad Hollywood script writer think of what they would say.
The “Osama is guilty” Pentagon video, found “coincidentally” in Jalalabad.
PFLP credential claim a fake- as dancing Palestinians, an old video.
24: Abu Ali Mustafa was murdered by Israel two weeks before 9/11- Mustafa was a leading man in the PFLP, who once hijacked four planes to bomb them, but failed to do so.
Bassum Abu Sharifs mentioned a plan is his autobiography: Haddads plan had been simple: stuff the light plane to the gills with high explosives, then get Abu Harb to fly the pre-planned route and crash it right into the middle of Tel Aviv’s tallest building, Shalom Tower.
There are hints that the PFLP was a Shin Bet/Mossad sting OP, like Entebbe and the Sayeret Matkal (David H. Colvin). On board of one plane on 9/11 was Daniel Lewin, once member of that group, allegedly stabbed by one hijacker. Protecting a high secret plan?
25: All evidence for demolitions in NY on 9/11: Molten metal, high-tempeatur attack (the “meteorite”), carbonized paper, vaporized bodies and elements as molybden and vanadium, traces of original Nano-Thermate, microscopic spheres, finger-print of molten iron / thermate residues, WTC7, the farce of FEMA and NIST investigation and so on.
26: The Put-Options as evidence someone know something, even is this was a cover for a general sell before 9/11 and buy back-action afterwards item.
27: Secrecy under the mantle of “national security” as homicide-argument- e.g. try to get a view on the rest of the planes, the Pentagon videos, the 7000 pictures from NY NIST claims it has in his pocket, the long overdue firefighter interviews only made public through court action and so on.
Missing floor plans and statics. Variables of all NIST evaluation and tests.
28: Cui Bono, the Neocon Noble Lie and legend of a foreign enemy to unite within, energy, economy, military budgets, UNOcoal, Pipeline, iraqi oil, permanent war on terra, they were capable of such a crime, had a motive and the occasion do to so as they overtook the US government.
29: Bush was not elected, remember the vote scandal in Florida- the media hides that recount result till after 9/11 even as it was ready, later, when no one could critize a war time president, so at last the results were published without publicity, in the back of a few newspapers, with false headlines and the view on only one recount ballot- the undervotes. Clearly Bush had an motive: from a lame duck, not elected, doing nothing in foreign policy and 5 weeks vacation to a war time beloved president and with 80 % approval rates. Clinton was enabled by terror- the WTC 93 false flag terror, too.
30: Mysterious money transactions in the Twins before they collapsed, Convar, Andrei Koudachev und Gary Faberov, Evergreen “First Equity”. How did they now they would get away with their crimes?
31: The US Patriot Act was signed into law late October- nearly 1000 pages of highly sophisticated juristic law, that’s totally impossible in just 4 weeks- the law was written before and laid on some desks in Washington.
32: The story of the missing paymaster told by Chaim Kupferberg.
33: The war in Afghanistan was ordered before 9/11. “Carpet of bombs”, Nifay Naik, US and British fleet on the way before 9/11.
34: The Jimjams of G.W. Bush, asked about foreknowledge- a criminal suspiciously behaviour.
35: The role of Saudi-Arabia in the plot, 9/11 hijackers tied to Saudi government, Graham says in book. Graham wrote that the staff of the congressional inquiry concluded that two Saudis in the San Diego area, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassan, who gave significant financial support to two hijackers, were working for the Saudi government.
3 sheiks turned dead after Zubadai sings their names in US custody to US intelligence services, as he believed he was held by Saudis and the princes would know what to do.
36: Saudi-Government denied that there was ever a quarrel about the suspect list with prince Saud and the US government- but we do have that document.
37: The mysteries surrounding Atta and Co., Military Schools, Jump Seats, Wolfgang Bohringer, Amanda Keller, Whiskey, Women and Drugs, Casino ships, Las Vegas Trips, their missing motive (Why did these 19 do what they did? Hamilton, “They hate us because of our freedom” is no real explanation) Their flights around the world despite beeing watchlisted, their travel destinations (Marriot at WTC), everything.
38: NIST concealed the ownership change in the months before 9/11 to Silverstein, so a dubious smell remains- Silverstein is no prime suspect for me, but to handle three buildings over to a men with jewish religion looks like a trap that was built up to dismiss all “hot demolition” claims as antisemitic- a claim that wouldn’t be possible with the PANYNJ in charge of the buildings. Besides that Lucky Larry had unbelieveable luck- only his buildings deconstructed in full on 9/11, other surrounding buildings do still stand, as Deutsche Bank building or Fiterman Hall, and keep in mind the asbestos concerns and other problems with a deconstruction of such large White Elephants. Not a single item of the treaties is known, even Vornado won’t tell us.
39: All the dis-info-artist out there are there for a reason- fog of war, ad hominems, divide and conquer, Co-Intel-Pro- the more because it became even more acute.
40: Black Boxes of WTC crash found or not?
“The FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.”
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.)
And Hamilton did not know- everytime somethings smells fishy he just do not know:
Hamilton: I do not recall any reference to the black box.
Solomon: Were they all found?
Hamilton: I do not know, off hand, I do not know.
41: Tape of Flight controllers was destroyed. Why?
42: Shock & Awe as described by the secret leader of the 9/11 commission:
Catastrophic Terrorism: Tackling the new danger. Philip Zelikow. Now was that article a fear mongering one or a wish-list? Could it be misinterpreted as the ladder by some rogue elements in the US admin, like the shadow government, which was established trough the JFK murder, false flag terror and all the roots of undisputed government misdoings the last 40 years?
43: The Doomsday Plane over Washington- they could get a full commando air station in the air and track the flights but could not intercept them.
44: The long established history of false flag state sponsored terrorism, especially with Israel and US- connections. King David Hotel bombing, some Irgun members dressed as arabs, Lavon Aiffair, some egypt jews recruited for bombings, the USS Liberty attack with unmarked Israel planes in accordance to president Johnson “I want to see that ship down” to get egypt and russia in the Israel war and to inflect the US.
So, if the media ever adress even a single point correctly, that means nothing for the reslt of all issues that 9/11 was an Inside Job with the approval of the highest ranking rogue elements in the US services and admin.
Movies I Made To Counter The BBC’s Argument That “The Final Mystery Of 9/11″ Has Been Solved
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
Recently, I’ve been a little busy making movies. The reason I got started making these movies was to counter the BBC’s claim that the “final mystery of 9/11″ has been solved. They said it two times as far as I know. The first time motivated me to make this:
go to link to see videos!! _________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell.
19m30secs, Dept Chief of NYFD Peter Haydon says, "We had a discussion with one particular engineer there, and we asked him, if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse and if so how soon? And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money and he said in it's current state you have about 5 hours"
I find this claim by Haydon to be suspicious. It begs the question, why did the BBC not talk to the engineer, and ask him to explain why he thought the building would collapse in about 5 hours. My assumption is that the engineer in question does not exist. I suspect Haydon, a senior firefighter, has been coerced. That is not to say he is "in on it" merely that he is playing ball, perhaps with the best intentions.
I've found www.911research.wtc7.net useful for pointers. I'll also re-read the OCEJ '14 Points...' paper and Prof. Jones on 'Revisiting 9/11/2001 - Applying The Scienfific Method'.
There's also a recent open letter from Richard Gage to Congressman Robert Wexler. That might be useful.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject:
mr freedom wrote:
19m30secs, Dept Chief of NYFD Peter Haydon says, "We had a discussion with one particular engineer there, and we asked him, if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse and if so how soon? And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money and he said in it's current state you have about 5 hours"
I find this claim by Haydon to be suspicious. It begs the question, why did the BBC not talk to the engineer, and ask him to explain why he thought the building would collapse in about 5 hours. My assumption is that the engineer in question does not exist. I suspect Haydon, a senior firefighter, has been coerced. That is not to say he is "in on it" merely that he is playing ball, perhaps with the best intentions.
The engineer in question was obviously an expert on steel framed skyscrapers collapsing due to fire, as they just happen all the time ( 2 others just a few hundred yards away on the same day) _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: Re: WTC7 UNIQUE DESIGN CAUSED SYMMETRICAL COLLAPSE
kbo234 wrote:
......for the fact that thousands of failures of steel beams occurred simultaneously at successive levels to ensure that WTC7 would land neatly into its own footprint.
I think your terminology is confusing the issue, kbo. The issue is not that beams would have had to fail simultaneously to cause this type of collapse. "Beams" are horizontal members. It is the vertical members (normally known as columns or stanchions) which would have had to have failed simultaneously. It is columns which hold the building up. Beams merely hold up the floors and the loads which the floors carry and conduct the weight of the floors and their loads down the columns. Beams also tie the columns, giving them lateral stability.
......for the fact that thousands of failures of steel beams occurred simultaneously at successive levels to ensure that WTC7 would land neatly into its own footprint.
I think your terminology is confusing the issue, kbo. The issue is not that beams would have had to fail simultaneously to cause this type of collapse. "Beams" are horizontal members. It is the vertical members (normally known as columns or stanchions) which would have had to have failed simultaneously. It is columns which hold the building up. Beams merely hold up the floors and the loads which the floors carry and conduct the weight of the floors and their loads down the columns. Beams also tie the columns, giving them lateral stability.
Thanks Noel, I bow before your superior lexicological (blimey, I was expecting a red line under that word) precision.
OK, stanchions....although everyone else, including Loose Change etc has used the word 'beams' as far as I can remember.
The raw unit of steel-framed constuction is the 'steel beam'. Does a beam stop being a beam when placed vertically within a structure?
It was good to see the Barry Jennings testimony but they implied that his "explosions" were the towers collapsing - without asking him to verify what time it was when he witnessed his explosions.
Now given there is a photograph showing bright lights (indicative of fires) around floors 6-8 prior to the towers collapsing, that might have been evidence that the BBC found interesting .......
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: BBC and WTC7
Maninblack and others have posed the question as to how the explosives were planted without the perpetrators being seen. One possibility of course is the "maintenance" a few weeks before 9/11. That explanation has always seemed to me to have a problem, namely, it is not leaving much of a margin of time when clearly the whole operation had been planned for several years in meticulous detail.
Kevin Ryan in an excellent new article in the Journal of 9/11 Studies July 2008 has raised the suggestion that nano-thermite can be "painted" on the steel structure. the technology for this as he sets out has been available since at least 1998.
The "upgrading" of the WTC fireproofing was carried out in 1999 and it is entirely possible that the nano-thermite was painted on at that time by workmen who would not necessarily know the nature of the substance they were applying for reasons that Mr Ryan sets out.
If this theory is in fact correct then it raises another issue. The timing clearly predates the Bush presidency pointing to the involvement of the Clinton administration (who after all were responsible for the Oklahoma City false flag attack) or that the planning and facilitation were conducted by those who really run the US irrespective of which puppet occupies the White House.
5 The collapse is compared visually to a controlled demolition.
6 Barry Jennings tells of hearing multiple explosions in WTC 7.
7 Barry Jennings was told while in WTC 7 "Get out of there, get out of there now", which sounds very suspicious.
8 Barry Jennings' time-line is not contradicted by anything Barry Jennings says.
9 After seven years, no final report on the collapse of WTC 7 has appeared.
10 The program will generate sales and Internet hits of 'Loose Change'.
11 The program will help raise the profile of Dylan Avery, Richard Gage, and Steven Jones.
12 The profile and web hits for Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be raised.
13 New experts not well known are introduced, including Scott Grainger and Kamal Obeid of www.ae911Truth.org.
14 WTC 7 housed offices of the CIA, Secret Service, Department of Defense, and the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management.
15 WTC 7 was the only steel-framed building ever alleged to fall from fire damage.
16 All the steel from WTC 7 was taken away to be melted down.
17 One large piece of partially evaporated steel from WTC 7 was saved and is shown.
18 Thermal maps showing temperatures greater than 700 degrees Celsius five days after 9/11 are shown. Water poured over the area is shown.
19 Despite to protests that fire took down WTC 7, little fire is shown in the program.
20 In the early morning of 9/11, the alarms in WTC 7 were placed on test status, meaning all fire alarms to WTC 7 would be ignored. One alarm went off, but since the alarms were on test, the location of the fire could not be pinpointed.
21 Steven Jones explains the evidence for thermite.
22 Dylan Avery has a great put-down of Richard Clark -- a classic, blunt, and to the point call-out.
23 The BBC reported the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened.
24 The BBC claims that they put one of their most valuable media tapes, the day of 9/11, on the wrong shelf, with no evidence to back it up.
25 Larry Silverstein is quoted as saying "pull it." While the most important part of the quote ("and we watched the building collapse") is edited out, the full quote is widely available and well-known.
26 Mark Loizeaux is quoted as saying; "I'd make a great terrorist."
27 Scientific tests on steel beams with fires hotter than in WTC 7, didn't cause collapse.
28 The issue of skyscraper safety and building codes, assuming WTC 7 really fell from a fire, is breached.
29 Daniel Jowenko is quoted saying WTC 7 was a controlled demolition.
30 A video (with audio) of a loud explosion that occurred in between the collapses of the North tower and WTC 7 is played _________________ Currently working on a new website
31. The supposed Fire Cheif seems agitated and keeps bouncing up and down during interview.
32. Out of the thousands of witnesses they only conjure up a handfull of paid officials.
33. NIST still don't have working computer model. _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
Thanks for the good news. I had a posting to bbc blogs rejected because I mentioned Marvin Bush in control of security. Strange that: its mentioned elsewhere. Or it could have me calling NIST inept. Hey ho.
The point I wanted to make was that the BBC must have accessed the Jane Standley interview at least three months after 9/11. Who and why this tape was accessed was not revealed.
The programme (and I think Mike Ruddin's blog) said that the tape was found in the 2002 section. They obviously could not have put the tape back in the 2002 section until 2002 or later... Ok, small point.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: WTC7 UNIQUE DESIGN CAUSED SYMMETRICAL COLLAPSE
kbo234 wrote:
OK, stanchions....although everyone else, including Loose Change etc has used the word 'beams' as far as I can remember.
The raw unit of steel-framed constuction is the 'steel beam'. Does a beam stop being a beam when placed vertically within a structure?
Maybe so.
Yes. If you're using technical language it does become a column or stanchion when vertical and a beam or joist when horizontal. I hadn't noticed that in the terminology used by the lay public a "beam" can be a vertical member. But maybe you're right. Another term I notice used loosely by the lay public is "girder".
But I qualified in architecture during many years study, though I practised the profession for only a few years after that, so I am very conscious of the technical terminology.
...i mentioned Marvin Bush in control of security.
That he...
Quote:
was on the board of directors of the Sterling, Virginia company Stratesec (formerly known as Securacom) which had contracts to provide security for United Airlines, Dulles International Airport, and the World Trade Center. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_P._Bush
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: WTC7
DID WTC7 COLLAPSE FROM THE BOTTOM UP?
LOOKS LIKE THAT AS IT IS GOING DOWN BECAUSE ON ALL THE FOOTAGE OF THE COLLAPSE, THE BUILDING IS HOLDING ITS SHAPE AS IT IS GOING DOWN
I CANNOT SEE ANY COLLAPSE IN THE TOP SECTION.
ASSUMING CD IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR THE SPEED AND SYMMETRY OF THE COLLAPSE, WHY DOES THE BUILDING HOLD ITS FORM AS IT GOES DOWN?
WAS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING DOWN WTC7 IN THE WAY IT DID, BY PLANTING EXPLOSIVES ON ONE OR TWO FLOORS AT THE BOTTOM ONLY?
ALSO, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MILES OF DEMOLITION CABLE ON THE FLOORS CONNECTING THE EXPLOSIVES
WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN VISIBLE TO OFFICE WORKERS.
TRUE OR FALSE?
I HAVE READ POSSIBLE REASONS FOR THE ABOVE QUESTIONS ELSEWHERE, BUT I WONDERED WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT HERE.
You aren't looking very hard because the sag in the top middle is blatant as are the squibs going off at the top.
Quote:
ALSO, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MILES OF DEMOLITION CABLE
Cable not necessary these days with radio/computer controlled detonations. _________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell.
WTC 7 Emergency Head Was Building Collapse Specialist
Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet, Thursday, July 10, 2008
The former New York City chief emergency manager Jerome Hauer, whose office was on the 23d floor of WTC 7, was also a building collapse specialist, according to a recently uncovered New York Times article. Hauer has attracted suspicion from the 9/11 truth movement because of his zeal to push the official story in the hours after the attack when details were still sketchy.
Hauer was also Managing Director of Kroll Associates - the company that provided security for the WTC complex on 9/11 - and he also betrayed advance knowledge of the anthrax attacks a week before they happened.
In a July 27 1999 NY Times article unearthed by 9/11 Blogger entitled What Could Go Wrong? It’s His Job to Know, Hauer is given a glowing write-up by journalist Randy Kennedy.
“There is one story he tells in which this fascination is quite literal….But another illustration, a bit more metaphorical, is hard to miss when you walk into his office on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, otherwise known as ”the bunker,” the $13 million bulletproof, hurricane-proof, blackout-proof emergency crisis center opened by the city last month.”
The article describes Building 7 for what it was, a structurally reinforced immovable object built for the express purpose of standing strong in a crisis situation, not the weakling tinderbox that allegedly became the first steel building in history to collapse from fire damage alone, according to debunkers like the BBC, the History Channel, Popular Mechanics and others.
Indeed, as the NY Times quotes Larry Silverstein as stating in 1989, WTC 7 designers “Built in enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building’s structural integrity,” a solid structure that was again improved upon that year with “More than 375 tons of steel - requiring 12 miles of welding.”
The article describes Hauer’s role, “As the city’s chief emergency manager, Mr. Hauer oversees the response to building collapses, of which there have been no shortage over the last three years.”
“For much of his professional life, it has been the task of Jerome M. Hauer, 47, to know a lot about how things work so that when they stop working — when they fall down, when they get blown down or blown up, when they freeze or burst or burn out — he knows what to do. Like all self-described emergency junkies, he sits around all day thinking up horrifying ways for things to be destroyed and people to die and then hoping that all his plans stay on the shelf.
Interesting therefore that Hauer would have his office in the middle of a 47-storey building that collapsed into its own footprint within 7 seconds in the late afternoon of 9/11 having been hit by minimal debris and suffering limited fire damage.
The article emphasizes the emergencies Hauer would list in his resume that he was an expert on, “Helicopter crash, subway fire, water main break, ice storm, heat wave, blackout, building collapse, building collapse, building collapse.”
In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, Hauer appeared on CBS News with Dan Rather and immediately set about crafting a surprisingly affirmative explanation for the events and spun a yarn that soon became the official story.
Hauer was suspiciously keen to stress that the buildings were not demolished by explosives but by the planes that hit them, despite this being a complete reversal of what chief WTC architects and designers had concluded during studies about the impact of planes into the twin towers beforehand.
Hauer also pointed the finger directly at Bin Laden as the script began to unfold.
“[M]y sense is that just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building that burned, that the velocity of the plane certainly had an impact on the structure itself. And then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat probably weakened the structure as well. And I think it was simply the planes hitting the buildings and causing the collapse,” Hauer told Rather.
Rather also asks Hauer if the attacks could have been carried out without state sponsorship. Hauer replies: “I’m not sure I agree that this is necessarily state-sponsored. It… certainly has the fingerprints of somebody like bin Laden.”
Hauer was surprisingly “accurate” with his foreknowledge of how the official story would later appear to confirm all of his initial presumptions despite the chaos surrounding the attacks in the hours after they took place.
On 9/11, Hauer was Managing Director of Kroll Associates, a security firm intertwined with the military-industrial complex that was also coincidentally in charge of security for the entire World Trade Center complex on that fateful day.
Furthermore, it was Hauer that reportedly advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax, on the very day of 9/11 and one week before the first anthrax letter was received.
Two months after 9/11, Hauer was part of a Council on Foreign Relations panel that released a document entitled Independent Task Force on America’s Response to Terrorism, which in part called for alternative explanations behind 9/11 to be countered.
Hauer’s almost instant and precise summation of the cause of building collapses that were completely unprecedented in history, along with his “expertise” in the characteristics of controlled demolition, in addition to his foreknowledge of the anthrax attacks and his position with Kroll Associates, justifiably continue to attract interest amongst researchers in the 9/11 truth movement.
_________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell.
Wasn't there a big 'hoo-haa' on this forum about two years ago when the BBC previous to this latest WTC7 'spin-fest' re-wrote WTC7 history? I recall someone posted one of their internet news pages here in which someone at the Beeb claimed "WTC7 BURNED TO THE GROUND" on 9/11. I remember taking it to show the shill types on the Channel4 news forum, the web page was mysteriously amended with the falsehood removed, don't know if there was a connection.
If Lesoix (sp) doesn't like being falsely accused of mass murder why doesn't he sue? another final 911 mystery BBC?
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