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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject:
isfahan wrote:
[Well spoken, Dogsmilk. The Christians always try to project their nastiness onto others. Historically they have used the Jews to do their dirty work on a grand scale. Then when it suits them they throw up their arms saying, No, No, it's not our fault, blame the Jews! And you have another pogrom on your hands.
Only a fool would defend the behaviour of 'Christians' through history. Neither is it a matter of blaming 'Jews'.
The point is that the teaching of Christ calls for the human to aspire to perfection. We are commanded to love our neighbour as oneself and God with all your heart, all your mind and all your strength. Christian violence throughout history is obviously a violation of this commandement.....or what used to be called sin. Christian societies might insome ways be fairly defined by this violence but CHRISTIANITY can not.
Talmudism (and Masonry) only demands practice of the 'golden rule' within one's own kind. Therefore Jewish criminals and Christian criminals are of exactly the same ilk. However, if to Talmudists (or masons) the victims of their crimes are not part of their own group then, by the Talmud (I don't know the written rules of masonry though those who have blown the whistle on it from the inside say it operates on exactly the same Talmudic principles) the 'religion' itself gives them a free pass. The criminal is not even necessarily doing a wrong thing.
Embedded in the teaching of Christ is all the 'anti-racism', 'diversity' culture and universal tolerance you will ever need. We are being fed these things now by fraudsters with forked-tongues and a covert agenda.
.....and freemasonry and its Talmudic brother are the ideologies of the oligarchs. It is from within these that all the dark agendas are being delivered to us.
I regard myself as a Christian. So cowed are we in the modern culture that it is hard to tell how many of us are left. I say these things openly because Christ said them before me. Christ does not approve of Christian sins or my sins any more than Jewish ones.....but he did condemn the Pharisees. he condemned them because of their teachings and because he obviously realised the distrous consequences of holding their lies as truth.
He also drove the usurers from the temple.
The message of Christ is as relevant and important today as it ever was. Some posters here are determined to insist that I and others like me are Nazis projecting our own hatreds onto another group.
I personally have nothing against 'Jews' at all. I do loathe the Talmudic tradition and its gentile partner Freemasonry.
The way I see the situation is this.
Three years ago I really thought the BBC was the best thing about this country. How times have changed for me.
Since 9/11 I have seen through the lies and complicity of my own political and religious leaders. They have done none of the things they should have done about the crime of 9/11. Thus they are now complicit in this crime.
It is my great desire that Jews should likewise see through the mask presented by their own Zionist leaders. They should stop imagining that everybody harbors an a priori meaningless and irrational hatred against them and look carefully at the principles within which their entirely self-serving Zionist leaders operate. Like ourselves, they should wonder if the place they are being led to by this leadership is good.
If sensible Jews can see through the veils and propaganda that has been laid before them.....and they start to get the same sort of ideas of their own leadership as most people on this forum has of ours, then Jews will lead us out of this nightmare.
This group have led almost every political movement humanity has created.
They brought us Christianity.....the greatest and most spiritually sublime faith ever. The call to perfection.
We need the Jews to 'get it'....and we need to make a shot at saying exactly why they don't.
Humanity will never be saved from the Luciferian nightmare until 'the Jews' reject the ungodliness of Talmudism. It is unlikely we can save ourselves without these people on our side.....
.......because Zionism is the label on the tin of globalism and one must be gone through to undo the other.
.....also because these moral issues are ultimately at the very heart of the matter.
It is perfectly possible that a white supremacist member of Stormfront will agree with myself or others on this forum when it it comes to an analysis of 9/11, banking, the 'anti-racist' and 'diversity' agenda etc., etc. However, heir proposed solution to the problem would be as objectionable to me as the problem they are intent on solving.
The only politician in the last seventy years or so who has made an issue of the power of the bankers over society is Oswald Moseley.
Right on!
Does agreeing with him on this mean that one would support him. Not until hell freezes over.
So.......all these incredibly big political issues must necessarily be only a precursor to the biggest issue of all.
....how to put it??....
WHAT OR WHOM WILL YOU CHOOSE AS YOUR GOD.
('cause, know it or not, when a push comes to a real shove, when the pressure is really on, you will act and you will discover your bottom-line belief.....and this is surely, effectively, your God).
That'll do.
I've had enough of this stuff now. Anyone who calls me a Nazi again is an idiot.
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"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."
Is Plan for Racial Strife Another Hoax?
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"What we in America call terrorists are really groups of people that reject the international system..." - Heinz "Henry" Kissinger
"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."
Even if we forget the empirical question of a hoax, a number of interesting issues present themselves:
1/The use of a fear of dem n*ggers - th-the negroes "will be able to intermarry with the whites!!!!!!". Nooooooo!!!!!!!!! Our pure white Aryan culture will be debased by poisonous Negro blood! Miscegenation will be rife!!!! Mixed race babies!!!! Geeeaaaggghhhh!!!!!!
Unless you're some kind of mindless racist freak, the fact people with differing skin pigmentation may fall in love is neither here nor there and it's difficult to see how this can possibly "aid any cause". If it is genuine, it was written by an idiot only of appeal to the brain dead.
That anyone could seriously see this as some kind of "plan" actually concocted by teh jooos is just staggering.
2/Events clearly haven't transpired in the manner envisaged. Though for some insane reason, a handful of crackpots appear to believe American capitalism somehow represents communism despite being...blatantly not communist. And black people still haven't achieved full equality and up until very recently it was e.g. very rare to see mixed race couples in American film and TV. Lets face it, if you've been living somewhere vaguely resembling planet earth, this 'plan' hasn't quite happened. Except for black people getting some rights. Something those peddling this 'plan' seem keen to ward us off from doing. I wonder why.
3/The vast majority of white people don't appear to feel particularly guilty about what happened to black people. I suppose it's supposed to be a bit like the Holocaust where apparently everyone is hand wringing with guilt, but ask the average man in the street how guilty they feel and you'll likely get a quizzical glance and an enquiry as to whether you've been drinking.
4/So we'll "inflame" the blacks against whites, eh? Sounds suspiciously like saying the civil rights movement was a bad idea. Best keep 'em in their place eh?
In fact, just reading it, you'd have to be a zero watt bulb to find it remotely plausible. So not surprising Sparky posted it.
It's simply unbelievable the kind of tripe that gets posted on here. I'm kinda amazed I'm even responding. Makow saying
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The promotion of women and minorities is part of an agenda to undermine the European heterosexual Christian character of Western society. So is mass immigration and interracial marriage. Most of what passes for modern culture (TV, movies, literature, punditry etc.) and politics are propaganda and social engineering. For example, opprobrium for "sexism" and "racism" are actually designed to undermine gender and race.
sounds suspiciously like the kind of incoherent blanket statements kbo has been coming out with over the last couple of days.
"Undermine the European heterosexual Christian character of western society". My God. People are into this stuff????
Unbelievable.
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We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."
Well I can't see a damn thing wrong with black people rising to prominence in every walk of life and intermarrying with white people. You can sign me up for this plan all the way Sparky, you racist f*ck.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject:
Dogsmilk wrote:
sounds suspiciously like the kind of incoherent blanket statements kbo has been coming out with over the last couple of days.
"Undermine the European heterosexual Christian character of western society". My God. People are into this stuff????
Unbelievable.
For anyone who agrees with Dogsmilk that the ideas that come to prominence and get promoted do so by natural and random processes I recommend the following video.......or read the writings of Weishaupt or Pike. There many documents and much evidence to support the notion that the powerful, on the long march towards total global control, have as their planned methodology to destroy any possible competing focus of power in society.....these are family, race, nation and religion....as Makow and many others assert.......and as appears in these same documents.
Unbelievable?????
If you don not recognise that Christianity and Islam are under attack you are simply asleep. Christianity has almost disappeared as the core cultural reference point of Britain. Islam...well, say no more. Buddhism and Hinduism are, for the moment at least, pretty irrelevant.
However, there is a free pass for the religion that describes you and me as 'cattle'.
Sex is being re-packaged as mere recreation. The effect on 'family' over the last decades is obvious to me if not to you, Dogsmilk.
To you 9/11 is just an unsolved mystery Dogsmilk. What the f*** are you doing here. You don't understand or agree with the prime motivation of people who are moved to post here so why do you even take us seriously?
You call my posts "incoherent blanket statements" yet there is no recognisable interest in coherence or truth from you at all.
You are incurious about how the system works and how harm is done.
You only launch messy attacks against anything posted that attacks coherent organised power.
As it happens, I believe that Henry Makow (a Jewish convert to Christianity) has the most integrated and coherent vision of what is really going on of any writer out there.
As I said, here is another important Jewish figure (non-convert) who seems to agree with Makow on the feminism issue (and more).
...have as their planned methodology to destroy any possible competing focus of power in society.....these are family, race, nation and religion....as Makow and many others assert...
Quite. And a couple of generations or so ago anyone who challenged these values would have been widely despised.
Note - I haven't said anything much on this forum (I don't think) about these values or the contra-values which have replaced them. I've tried to point out that they have been systematically undermined. And not for our benefit.
I recently posted a link to an MSM article titled "Are Jews Smarter?". I made the link read "Are whites smarter?".
It was entirely obvious that this was a ruse. I was asked to justify it to the mods, and wrote:
"I would have thought that was perfectly obvious, from your knowledge of the world, if not from the accompanying words of mine.
The former is ALLOWED to be discussed in common discourse. The later is NOT. Thus demonstrating a blatant and "racist" double standard."
Needless to say, I received a cursory reply, and the post remains deleted.
It's interesting that when you point out the hypocritical double standards and racism of Jewish supremacists, you will be called a racist.
Also interesting that no-one has defined precisely what they mean by the word. _________________ If you want to know who is really in control, ask yourself who you cannot criticise.
"The hunt for 'anti-semites' is a hunt for pockets of resistance to the NWO"-- Israel Shamir
"What we in America call terrorists are really groups of people that reject the international system..." - Heinz "Henry" Kissinger
For anyone who agrees with Dogsmilk that the ideas that come to prominence and get promoted do so by natural and random processes I recommend the following video.......or read the writings of Weishaupt or Pike. There many documents and much evidence to support the notion that the powerful, on the long march towards total global control, have as their planned methodology to destroy any possible competing focus of power in society.....these are family, race, nation and religion....as Makow and many others assert.......and as appears in these same documents.
Yeah, the long march towards 'global control' by the same old 'Jewish elite' that is always just about to happen. *yawn*
What's fascinating is the duel feature of comfort and disempowerment:
On one hand, putting the world's ills on the shoulders of some mysterious, inherently alien elite pitches the world's problems into a straightforward Manichean dichotomy. We just get rid of the bad guys and we can ride off into the sunset. This also absolves us of the responsibilty we bear for being part of the machine. In fact, the debt we owe our forefathers is just wiped off in a paradoxical simultaneous helplessness. It's not really the case that a whole raft of rights for ordinary people were dragged kicking and screaming out of the corridors of power. It's not really the case black people fought to overthrow years of discrimination. It's not really the case there is universal suffrage because people fought for it bit by bit. Ohhhhh no - the 'elite' planned it all! And weirdly, people seem to have a habit of blaming 'the elite' for things they don't personally like. Don't like feminists? The elite engineered them. Don't like interracial marriage? The elite engineered it. Don't like free healthcare and instead want to pay a vast corporation for even just telling you "it's nothing serious" every time you feel unwell? The elite want to "socialise" healthcare. In the meantime, lets just forget the rights we actually have and are set to lose right now exist because people fought for them. Ordinary people. They were not just given. And we are not fighting hard enough to keep them and get more because we have been bought with trinkets. Instead, lets just blame communist Jews for the fact a black man can ride on the same bus as you and marry your sister if they want. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Things people have actually done to fight against power are simply reduced to some vast plot, uncannily labelling anything that's about people getting some collective rights as "communism". No ideas from random processes....hmmmm.... So in 1649 when the Diggers climbed St Georges Hill and farmed God's land in common in defiance of the landowners, they were attacking the notion of private property and thus were under the control of communist Jews...right? The Luddites destroying the factory machinery that enslaved men...communist Jews? Malcolm X...stooge of the NWO? Mary Wollstonecraft...Zionist shill? Along with her father off course - his pioneering and influential utilitarian anarchism that got some calling for his enquiry to be banned (though it wasn't) must have been...part of the plan. Rudolf Rocker...controlled opposition? Hell, I guess even Wittgenstein, Satre, Nietzsche, Rousseau, Shopenhauer, Hume, Mill, Aristotle, Plato, Locke, Bentham, Berkeley, Kant...these ideas don't just happen dammit!!!! It all comes from elite communist Jews!!!!!!!!! - after all, all these people and ideas have come to prominence at one time or another. In fact, it has oft been said that the whole of western philosophy is 'footnotes to Plato'...the dirty commie Jew b*stard!
Give me a break.
This isn't some searing insight into power, it's just pretending ordinary people haven't changed anything or had their own ideas and forgetting there have been times in history when the powerful were genuinely afraid of the populace, something we should urgently remember. Nah - instead let's have a bunch of people trying to rehabilitate Hitler to...er...fight the elite fascists. That'll show 'em!
Though it goes without saying that whoever is advancing this theory most certainly isn't controlled and is most certainly having their own ideas and people who write about this stuff they happen to like most certainly aren't controlled either. Obviously.
As far as I'm concerned, half the time this hidden secrets of the elite!!!!! What THEY don't want you to know!!!!!! stuff is just grinding whatever personal political axes the author has. I've said it before and I'll say it again - it amazes me how people seem unable to show the same cynicism towards 'alternative' media they do towards the MSM (yet when the MSM says something they want to hear, they're all over it - this whole thread hinges on taking the telegraph at its word over a headline that it fails to substantiate in the ensuing article) And this goes for a lot of these 'old' documents to. If the guy that forged the Protocols knew they'd still be being quoted today he'd probably piss himself.
And if there really is an all-powerful, world controlling, all ideas generating shadowy elite controlling everything, something tells me finding out what makes them tick or exactly who they are wouldn't be quite as straightforward as simply typing "NWO" or "ZOG" or whatever into google.
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If you don not recognise that Christianity and Islam are under attack you are simply asleep. Christianity has almost disappeared as the core cultural reference point of Britain. Islam...well, say no more. Buddhism and Hinduism are, for the moment at least, pretty irrelevant.
However, there is a free pass for the religion that describes you and me as 'cattle'.
Curiously, you totally ignore what I said "unbelievable" about and go on about something different, doing your standard trick of berating attacks on Christians and Muslims and then attacking Jews.
I agree Islam is under attack, but I asked you before in what way you feel Christianity is under attack and you never answered. I'm not disputing it, I'm just interested, yet you don't reply.
In some areas, notably evangelism, Christianity is doing rather well, though I think we may actually agree most of these clowns aren't actually acting in the spirit of Christ.
Though it occurs to me that if Jesus Camp had had the exact same content but been Jew camp it would be being wildly brandished here as unequivocal proof the Jews are attempting to take over the entire world.
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Sex is being re-packaged as mere recreation. The effect on 'family' over the last decades is obvious to me if not to you, Dogsmilk.
Sex has been used as "mere recreation" for about as long as people have been shagging. Spatially and temporally, a bewildering array of constantly shifting sexual and familial attitudes have featured in various human cultures. The effects on these constitute a wide array of social forces. You can't just decide sex will become "mere recreation" and make it happen.
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o you 9/11 is just an unsolved mystery Dogsmilk. What the f*** are you doing here. You don't understand or agree with the prime motivation of people who are moved to post here so why do you even take us seriously?
Well if you send me a list of core beliefs I must have in order to be accepted, I'll take a look. There was a time when the TM was based around the notion of there being a necessity to re-examine the events of 911 without endorsing any particular line or expecting any particular conviction. Once upon a time, even LIHOP was allowed.
If I now have to believe 911 was an inside job orchestrated by elite Jews, please let me know.
I'm actually surprised you can think 911 is "solved". Have you hacked into the Pentagon mainframe or something?
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You call my posts "incoherent blanket statements" yet there is no recognisable interest in coherence or truth from you at all.
Really? I am very interested in both.
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You are incurious about how the system works and how harm is done.
I'm very curious about it. I just have different opinions about it.
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You only launch messy attacks against anything posted that attacks coherent organised power.
Ah I see - because I don't believe in an epoch-spanning Jewish conspiracy, I therefore am defending power, right?
On the other hand, I could just as well - if I wanted to be silly - say you are defending power. After all, I personally think capitalism is probably the most destructive mechanism at play, yet I don't hear you saying much about that; so you must be "defending power" right?
To be honest, I think a lot of this stuff simply doesn't challenge power at all. Take Alex Jones - people seem to think he's way radical, but all I see is a reactionary conservative with some tepid reformist ideas and a lucrative merchandising operation. I think his heart is in the right place and I sometimes agree with him, but I can't see anything radical about him.
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As it happens, I believe that Henry Makow (a Jewish convert to Christianity) has the most integrated and coherent vision of what is really going on of any writer out there.
I am curious - and I fully acknowledge this may be way off the mark - at the way you usually give fairly comprehensive responses, but have been claiming anti-racism is "Zionism" and then failing to substantiate this remarkable claim. It kind of appears you are just repeating what you have read Makow say.
I have to admit I am surprised you appear to be totally happy with all this 'interracial marriage is evil' stuff. I kind of expect it off Sparky.
Btw - haven't watched video yet.
Since we keep arguing, and since I was reminded of it by Sparky wetting himself on another thread about the way he rather bizarrely felt "relief" and then "shame" over BC's mislabelled spoof article (a weird reaction from someone who seems to spend all their time fervently trying to find any way possible to make Jews look bad in ever more pitiful ways. You should probably see a doctor if you're having difficulty with your emotional sates), I though you might enjoy this as some light relief:
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Local Jew Feels Left Out Of Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy
APRIL 30, 1997 | ISSUE 31•16
SOUTHFIELD, MI—It is an hour past sunset on a brisk Thursday night, and, like their brethren around the globe, the Jews of this affluent Detroit suburb are gathered in synagogues, busily hatching plots for world domination through financial chicanery and media influence. But for Seth Nussbaum, it will be just another lonely evening.
"For some reason, they've decided to leave me out of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy," said Nussbaum, a 34-year-old computer programmer. "And I can't say it doesn't hurt."
While his fellow Jews are controlling the flow of billions of dollars of international currency and brokering multi million-dollar entertainment deals, on this quiet night Nussbaum is making himself a frozen pizza and watching ER, far removed from any money beyond the $28,000 annual salary he receives from his job at Cyntech Industries.
"Who's to say I wouldn't enjoy hoarding a little gold every now and then?" he said, his voice tinged with bitterness. "Believe me, I'd love to be able to sneak around behind the scenes like the Elders of Zion, pulling the strings and holding the real power in society. But I guess when it comes to working the Jerusalem-New York-L.A. triangle, I just wasn't one of the chosen people."
Unlike millions of other Jews around the world, Nussbaum holds no sway over the media, has no powerful friends within the Wall Street banking community or the Trilateral Commission, and has never run a major Hollywood studio.
Though its influence stretches to all corners of the globe, the worldwide Jewish conspiracy has, for mysterious reasons, neglected to include Southfield, MI, computer programmer Seth Nussbaum.
In fact, Nussbaum doesn't even own so much as his own production company. "Spielberg, Geffen, Ovitz, Eisner, Katzenberg—those are the Jews who control Hollywood," Nussbaum said. "And there's countless other Jews calling the shots at every level of the entertainment industry, from agents to producers to directors. But me? I probably couldn't even get the studio backing for a $15 to $20 million romantic comedy with a mid-level star like Matthew Broderick."
And despite being a regular subscriber to The New York Times for seven years, Nussbaum has no powerful connections among the Jews who own that and every other newspaper in the United States.
"As a left-leaning Jew, I should enjoy vast influence over the press. I should be able use the papers and television stations I own to forward my biased, liberal Jewish agenda and get Israel-supporting Democratic candidates elected to Congress," said Nussbaum, sitting on the old futon he uses as a couch. "But somehow, that's just not the case."
Spurned by his own kind, Nussbaum has not even been able to gain admittance into a secondary world-domination conspiracy like the Masons. "They turned down my application," he said, sighing deeply, "when they found out I was Jewish. I guess for now I'll just have to resign myself to being Seth Nussbaum, computer programmer and powerless Jew."
Hell, I guess even Wittgenstein, Satre, Nietzsche, Rousseau, Shopenhauer, Hume, Mill, Aristotle, Plato, Locke, Bentham, Berkeley, Kant
My god, DM, all these are Jewish names! Even where they are not you can be sure there's a Jew hiding within the foliage of the family tree, spawning its evil genetic code onto the rest of the innocent human race! They're everywhere!! It's too late. Only Armageddon provides a solution!
Moral:wherever you look you'll find a Jew hiding. Yes, even down the well as Sacha Baron Cohen and his Christian audience observes!
Hell, I guess even Wittgenstein, Satre, Nietzsche, Rousseau, Shopenhauer, Hume, Mill, Aristotle, Plato, Locke, Bentham, Berkeley, Kant
My god, DM, all these are Jewish names! Even where they are not you can be sure there's a Jew hiding in the family tree, spawning its evil genetic code onto the rest of the innocent human race!!!
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LOL. And after I deliberately left out Spinoza too
Forgot Descartes though...influential as hell...and Spinoza built on his ideas....must have been planned that way...
And after I deliberately left out Spinoza too
Forgot Descartes though...influential as hell...and Spinoza built on his ideas....must have been planned that way...
I CAN'T STAND THIS ANYMORE! We're surrounded! I'm going back to bed & staying there! (Better check under the bed first. A favourite hiding place for Commie Jews)
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"What we in America call terrorists are really groups of people that reject the international system..." - Heinz "Henry" Kissinger
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject:
Dogsmilk, you twisted and misrepresented everything I said in my post and then you kick what I haven't said to death. Likewise Isthar. I won't even bother defending myself against you because I'm sure people can see this for themselves.
You haven't looked at the video. Well, surprise, surprise. I'm pretty sure you take no interest in significant 9/11 evidence either, because you have been on this forum a long time and you can see no convincing evidence about 9/11 one way or the other.
To me this means you really don't care about 9/11 one way or the other....like it is not really a significant issue.
Have you looked at the evidence?
Do you care about the evidence?
Not to care about this is shameful. Either defend the official narrative honestly or acknowledge that 9/11 was not what we were told it was and that we are all in a very serious situation indeed.
Admit that if 9/11 WAS an inside job then there IS a very high level evil conspiracy at work amongst us.
To be equivocal in your position on the issue of 9/11 is shameful on this board. You have been drowning in evidential material ever since you began posting on here.
Make your mind up about 9/11 and stop slithering round the issue. Either the US government told us the truth OR there was and is a massive criminal conspiracy directing our collective destinies that needs to be exposed and opposed.
But I suppose that's too much to ask for. I know your form too well by now Dogsmilk.
What about you just watch the Aaron russo interview, listen to him describing his friendship with Nicholas Rockefeller and let us all know if you found his testimony convincing.
Did Rockefeller really tell Russo that there would be an 'event' followed by invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (and Venezuela) and a never-ending 'War on Terror' with no identifiable enemy. Do you think Rockefeller told Russo that the banking elite's ultimate goal is to get everybody microchipped so that all money is carried and transferred from these chips?
What's your honest opinion?
Was he telling the truth....or making the whole thing up?
C'mon cut the bullsh*t. Tell it to us like it really is.
Dogsmilk, you twisted and misrepresented everything I said in my post and then you kick what I haven't said to death. Likewise Isthar.
Kbo, I wasn't just referring to any one person but to all the Writers of Great Wisdom on this forum who have a preoccupation with Jews & make me uneasy about what I might find under my bed. And it's not Isthar but Isfahan which is a city in Iran.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject:
simplesimon wrote:
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail," - Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
Would you care to give readers some context to your drip-fed poison nuggets by quantifying how many ultra-Orthodox Jews there are that might ever have heard that quote, let alone give it any credence?
And what percentage that represents of Jewish people in general?
Because I'd reckon you're slyly trying to imply that we should be very, very afraid.
Going by how manipulative and misleading a campaign you're running here lately, I don't suppose you work in advertising do you? _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject:
simplesimon wrote:
"The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable." - Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg (head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva)
Well, we all know what we think of twatpeople who presume to speak for God, don't we? I certainly hope so.
I mean, even were He to exist.
It's really about as loathsome as it gets, these people who try to stir up hate based on an accident of birth like race that nobody has any control over, don't you think? _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Chairman Heilbrun - Committee for Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat (Mayor of Tel Aviv, Oct. 1983) _________________ If you want to know who is really in control, ask yourself who you cannot criticise.
"The hunt for 'anti-semites' is a hunt for pockets of resistance to the NWO"-- Israel Shamir
"What we in America call terrorists are really groups of people that reject the international system..." - Heinz "Henry" Kissinger
The Fluffy White Kitten walks into the kitchen and says, "IOZ, do we have any milk?"
"Milk!" I exclaim, and I throw myself underneath the kitchen table and clutch the butterknife in my whiteknuckled hand. "What do you want milk for?"
"Uh," says the Fluffy White Kitten, "I'm a thirsty kitten."
"How can I be certain that you're going to use that milk for drinking and not turn it against me?" I ask.
"I'm not sure how I would turn it against you, IOZ. I mean, I'm just a kitten. It's not like I have the capacity to poison it. I'm just a tiny kitten without opposable thumbs, and you're a big wealthy human with the ability to use complex tools."
"Oh-ho!" I cry, "So you admit that you have the intention of poisoning my milk and just lack the capacity at the present time! Well, I'm not going to stand by and let you develop the capacity to destroy me and my life."
"IOZ," replies the exasperated Fluffy White Kitten, "It would take tens of thousands of years of feline evolution at least, if it were possible at all, and who knows what the relationship between fluffy kittens and people will be at that point. I'm just saying for now, I'm thirsty and I want a little milk."
"Three to five years," I say.
"What?" asks the Kitten.
"I think that you could poison me in three to five years, based on current estimates."
"Whose current estimates?"
"Mine," I say. "They're my estimates."
"Based on what?"
"What do you mean, based on what?" I snap. "They're estimates. Duh."
"Look, IOZ, I'm just going to get a little milk, and then I'll leave you alone," says the Kitten, making her way toward chair that she uses to jump onto the counter.
"Kitten, if you make one more move toward that milk, I'm going to have to stab you with this butter knife!" I shout.
"IOZ, if you come at me with that knife, I'm going to scratch you," rejoins the Fluffy White Kitten.
"I knew it!" I yell. "I saw through your intentions all along!"
Take Alex Jones - people seem to think he's way radical, but all I see is a reactionary conservative with some tepid reformist ideas and a lucrative merchandising operation. I think his heart is in the right place and I sometimes agree with him, but I can't see anything radical about him.
didn't you know that he's also part of the zionist conspiracy?
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject:
chek wrote:
Careful now - you'll have poor kbo too scared to step out the front door.
I'm not scared of much (other than that we attack Iran) you unfortunate little Irish dildo.
Excuse me, I've had a few pints............but it is hard to be kind to someone who mistakes an objection to the founding principle of Talmudic Judaism with a hatred of Jews as human beings.
They are quite different things.
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Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject:
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Dogsmilk, you twisted and misrepresented everything I said in my post and then you kick what I haven't said to death. Likewise Isthar.
Kbo, I wasn't just referring to any one person but to all the Writers of Great Wisdom on this forum who have a preoccupation with Jews & make me uneasy about what I might find under my bed. And it's not Isthar but Isfahan which is a city in Iran.
Isfahan. Sorry for getting your name wrong.
I don't expect Dogsmilk to respond to my previous post. He only comes on with his blather when someone starts joining the dots in a way that that is instinctively obvious to the proponent of the argument but based on broad-brush observations and unprovable without 12 months collection and collation of information and expert statistical analysis.
Maybe you can respond in his place.
Watch Aaron Russo's interview and explain to me and the rest of us why you think Russo is lying. Explain to us why, as Dogsmilk asserts, there is no conspiracy to control us and lead us into a one-world globalised society under the sole control of central bankers.
You say I want you to worry about "what's under your bed". Perhaps I am wrong. In this noble and uncorrupted world, Isfahan, there is nothing to worry about at all. Every mouth that opens speaks the truth as it sees it. 9/11 was carried out by 19 arab hijackers. End of story.
There's nothing to even think about.
Forget about the whole thing.
There's nothing under the bed. Sleep soundly. I'm sure your family and friends in Iran have nothing whatsoever to worry about.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:
kbo234 wrote:
chek wrote:
Careful now - you'll have poor kbo too scared to step out the front door.
I'm not scared of much (other than that we attack Iran) you unfortunate little Irish dildo.
Excuse me, I've had a few pints............but it is hard to be kind to someone who mistakes an objection to the founding principle of Talmudic Judaism with a hatred of Jews as human beings.
They are quite different things.
No offence taken, sadsack.
Though it seems to me that 'Talmudic Judaism' is on a par with and as oxymoronic as 'Evangelical Christianity'.
I'd be pretty certain most Nazi's didn't hate Jews personally or individually either, so much as the 'evil' ideology they represented.
It's all about finding external scapegoats to blame for our universal human weakness. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
There's nothing under the bed. Sleep soundly. I'm sure your family and friends in Iran have nothing whatsoever to worry about.
Nothing at all.
I'm not Iranian though I strongly object to the way that "the International Community" as reported on the BBC (actually the US, UK and Israel) are preparing us all for what will soon turn into a nuclear attack against an innocent country.
I have just watched the murderous Tory, Ian whatsis
-double-barrelled-name and the weasel Douglas Alexander, on Question Time, preparing us for an attack on Iran and I was so angry it was all I could do not to throw a hammer as hard as I could onto the TV screen. These people are far worse than 'Commie Jews' under the bed. They're paid politicians who really should be at the Hague international Criminal Court.
It's because of the likes of them that I do not sleep safely.
I have watched the Russo interview with Rockefeller Jr and have no reason to challenge Russo on it. Though I did read somewhere that Rockefeller Jr was trying to take the piss out of Russo. Even if that was his intention we can all see that everything he said would happen is happening.
I absolutely do not think that 19 Arabs or Al Qaeda was behind 911. Al-CIA-duh mostly likely was, along with CIA, MI6 and Mossad.
I've read Israel Shahak, The Weight of 3000 Years, on Talmudism and have no reason to question his wisdom.
So I have no axe to grind with you on these matters. However, I do agree with Chek that the danger is it becomes about looking for scape-goats. That's where my concern lies. And the constant and obsessive harping on about some kind of international Jewish conspiracy alarms me.
This scape-goating exercise that's hidden as a hunt for a conspiracy should concern us all. It's not anti-Zionism but something far worse and those who are simply attacking Zionism should at all times keep their attacks separate & even go to lengths to constantly remind readers that they oppose anti-Jewish thought. When you attack Zionism you are on dodgy ground through no fault of your own. Hence the need to make your motives quite clear.
Iran has no problem with a Jewish community that is quite loyal to Iran. They are most certainly not part of an international conspiracy. We have no right to perpetuate the falsehoods that Hitler used in order to conduct genocide. If we do we descend to his level.
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:27 am Post subject:
chek wrote:
It's all about finding external scapegoats to blame for our universal human weakness.
Universal human weakness is one thing. Enabling, amplifying and directing it in service of particular selfish interests is another. Do you deny that this is what the elite do? Do you also deny that this approach to political power and human weakness is implicit in the ideology and historical writings of Talmudic judaism and Freemasonry.
Sin and human weakness will never end but the influence of those who exploit it and so threaten all our futures, could end.....and would...if people understood what was being done to society by the PTB.
The most important point to remember is that if Jew can be quoted as saying a bad thing, this constitutes evidence about the Jews. Whether the quote is real, the context in which it was made and the obscurity or otherwise of the quote is totally irrelevant. If you can find enough quotes of Jews saying bad things, it means that Jews are evil. If anyone points out that a given quote is a mis-quote, totally out of context, simply made up or whatever, this must be ignored and the next Jew saying a bad thing quote posted instead. Try to keep posting them in the hope that a passing moron reading the thread will think "Hang on - there's a Jew saying a bad thing - they're obviously all evil!"
On the other hand, if you find quotes - preferably from famous people - saying bad things about Jews - like they're "parasites" or whatever, this quote is inevitably true and an accurate statement about what Jews are like. It in no way reflects any conceivable prejudice on the part of the person making the quote. Furthermore, although politicians are never to be believed, if they are saying bad things about Jews, this means they are automatically correct and the fact they are a politician proves it. You may recognise famous and powerful people have prejudices just like everyone else, but mnever prejudice against Jews as it is all true. So this time your passing moron will think "Hang on - there's a famous person saying a bad thing about Jews - they're obviously all evil!"
If you find a quote from a Christian, Muslim or any other religion saying bad things, this does not reflect what these people are like. This can only possibly be the case if they are from Jews. Similarly, if you find prominent people have said negative things about 'Mohammedans' or the like, these are not to be taken at face value. This only occurs in the case of Jews. Remember - the last thing you want is your passing moron to start thinking "Hang on - there's a Muslim saying a bad thing - they're obviously all evil". There are enough of those already, but you want to make sure you recognise the flawed nature of this logic while ensuring maximum doublethink regarding Jews.
If you follow these simple steps, you will be well on the way to achieving your NVQ in jellybrained Jew obsessing.
kbo -
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I don't expect Dogsmilk to respond to my previous post.
Sorry to disappoint. Now maybe you will actually respond to some of mine.
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Dogsmilk, you twisted and misrepresented everything I said in my post and then you kick what I haven't said to death. Likewise Isthar. I won't even bother defending myself against you because I'm sure people can see this for themselves.
If I twisted or misrepresented, then I apologise and seek further clarification regarding your position. But I don't think I did.
I cited a bunch of people who between them have enormous influence on the development of ideas which translates directly into the way we see the world and run our society. I see people quite happily making daft assertions Karl Marx was some kind of agent - like Henry Makow here -
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The purpose of the New World Order is the same as Communism. The Illuminati created Communism as a means to flaunt God's will and enslave mankind. Karl Marx was hired to sell totalitarian rule ("the dictatorship of the proletariat"). Marx duped the masses by pretending to espouse equality. He was a Satanist as were Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin.
Obviously someone saying Marx, Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin were "satanists" should instantly set alarm bells ringing, but there you go.
So why was Marx an agent, but we never hear a word about Adam Smith? (Though I've never read him, I understand Smith's concept of capitalism is different to how reality has panned out, but then Marx never envisaged something like the Soviet Union and that apparently doesn't stop him being an agent).
And Marx didn't invent communism. He is part of a long history of evolving ideas. I cited the Diggers – Christian proto-communists. So why weren't they they agents? Though slightly different to Marx, what about Peter Kropotkin, Errico Malatesta, Rudolf Rocker, Michael Bakunin etc. Obscure now, but prominent and active in their day.
Who has been more influential on conventional British political philosophy; Karl Marx or John Locke?
Or am I being misleading because influence only counts if it comes from communists and Jews? Who are, by definition, out to rule us all!
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You haven't looked at the video. Well, surprise, surprise. I'm pretty sure you take no interest in significant 9/11 evidence either, because you have been on this forum a long time and you can see no convincing evidence about 9/11 one way or the other.
Well I'm sorry I didn't watch a video you posted within the required deadline.
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To me this means you really don't care about 9/11 one way or the other....like it is not really a significant issue.
So not having a totally concrete position automatically translates as "not caring"?
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Have you looked at the evidence?
Do you care about the evidence?
Yup.
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Not to care about this is shameful. Either defend the official narrative honestly or acknowledge that 9/11 was not what we were told it was and that we are all in a very serious situation indeed.
Well I don't think the official narrative is true. My major sticking point is the tower collapses which are pivotal. I do find the collapses, shall we say, rather odd. Nevertheless, I tend to stay out of debating it as a serious personal weak point is physics and engineering. If I were in one of your GCSE physics lessons, you may as well be talking in Chinese as far as I go and every single thing I know about buildings I picked up since encountering this stuff. I have never read the NIST report because I would simply be unable to understand it properly. I also struggle with how they were possibly rigged and I think the testimony of Scott Forbes is not sufficient for that. I read the debates and ponder it. I find Steven Jones interesting, but I cannot judge if he is right. I am interested because I would like to know what the truth really is. Is that allowed?
Otherwise, I freely admit I have got distracted by battling Jew theory, which bemuses and disturbs me in equal measure.
This may be naive, but before discovering the TM I had no idea 1930s Nazi propaganda remained was as popular as it apparently is. I find it extraordinary and also rather tragic that it's through the TM I discovered it.
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Admit that if 9/11 WAS an inside job then there IS a very high level evil conspiracy at work amongst us.
Yeah - it's called government.
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To be equivocal in your position on the issue of 9/11 is shameful on this board. You have been drowning in evidential material ever since you began posting on here.
Some of it I agree with and some of it I don't. And I have yet to see a fully coherent narrative from any perspective. That's why I support further investigation, because I believe there are questions that need answering. Simple really. I am sorry if my convictions are not as 100% solid as yours.
If you went over to 911 Movement, they'd say exactly the same thing to you for thinking there were planes and I feel I could say you have been drowning in evidential material showing what serial liars Holocaust deniers - and specifically Nick Kollerstrom - are. Both of which you would presumably dispute.
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Make your mind up about 9/11 and stop slithering round the issue. Either the US government told us the truth OR there was and is a massive criminal conspiracy directing our collective destinies that needs to be exposed and opposed.
Well they certainly didn't tell the truth, it's the exact degree of untruth I would like to know.
Unless you think you know something Cheney, Rumsfeld etc don't, this criminal conspiracy would basically have to be key people in the administration. Governments and business quite clearly and obviously direct our collective destinies and don't feel bad about lying 'for our own good' as required. I don't think that's any great revelation. IMHO it's government and corporate power that need to be opposed, not some hypothetical rogue cabal. I realise he isn't popular, but I'm reminded of Chomsky pointing out that if Nuremburg were applied, every postwar American president would have been hanged.
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ut I suppose that's too much to ask for. I know your form too well by now Dogsmilk.
And you say this in light of still totally ignoring the direct questions I have put to you over the last couple of days and blatantly trying to change the subject.
How is anti-racism "Zionist" kbo? Is race mixing a communist Jew plot?
What's your honest opinion?
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Did Rockefeller really tell Russo that there would be an 'event' followed by invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (and Venezuela) and a never-ending 'War on Terror' with no identifiable enemy. Do you think Rockefeller told Russo that the banking elite's ultimate goal is to get everybody microchipped so that all money is carried and transferred from these chips?
What's your honest opinion?
Ah, I've heard this before. Obviously it's one anecdote after the fact and eyewitnesses of which Russo here is a type are, IIRC, mere tellers of stories we cannot rely on in any way.
Russo says Rockerfeller told him the notion of a central bank is taken from the communist manisfesto. Well the CM is basically a pamphlet and the idea that anyone would base modern banking on it is just stupid. Here it is – you can tell me where this big banking plan is if you like.
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html. This bit seriously subtracts credibility from Russo as it sounds like he's spouting a cliché. Indeed, all this 'America going communist' stuff is just nonsensical and not borne out by observable reality. It's just this usual uninformed stuff it sounds more likely Russo got off the web than from some geuine Rockerfeller plan. And the women's lib story is so stupid it beggars belief and smacks – if true – of Rockerfeller taking the piss.
Nevertheless, it has always struck me that Afghanistan would not have been invaded if they didn't already want to go in. We don't need to go into detail as I suspect we agree. You didn't have to be Mystic Meg to see Iraq was on the cards. Venezuela obviously hasn't happened.
As for an 'event', this is ambiguous and invites speculation as to whether they would know what would happen or just know something would happen.
I think the idea of microchips is eminently sensible from a corporate point of view. I would be surprised if it weren't seriously planned to get rid of cash as it is a nuisance from a certain perspective. Your bank would have instant access to a market research goldmine by monitoring every purchase made (just think of the targeted junk mail opportunities) as well as saving enormously on staff overheads by not having to handle cash. It would of course help the treasury by making it more difficult to dodge tax through cash-in-hand work and the like. Having a chip would mean it couldn't be lost and it could double as an ID card. It's an abomination to me, but from a corporate/state point of view it seems like a very logical idea. We're already slaves to our bank accounts, so I'm not sure how this represents slavery and current wage slavery doesn't,
However, some of the things Russo says don't make sense. There is no reason why any 'one world government' can't theoretically just access your bank account and withdraw money anyway – you don't need a chip to do that and it's highly unlikely your data wouldn't be held on a central computer anyway which updates with each transaction – it's not like your bank account would just be in' your RFID chip is it? And this 'turn your chip off' stuff just sounds dumb.
So I think it's perfectly possible Rockerfeller told him some things, but IMHO Russo was either being wound up or is embellishing the content to some extent. It would be better if he'd said these things before 911 because I doubt him but don't discount him based on some of the things he says.
Who knows.
Obviously someone saying Marx, Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin were "satanists" should instantly set alarm bells ringing, but there you go.
So why was Marx an agent, but we never hear a word about Adam Smith? (Though I've never read him, I understand Smith's concept of capitalism is different to how reality has panned out, but then Marx never envisaged something like the Soviet Union and that apparently doesn't stop him being an agent).
And Marx didn't invent communism. He is part of a long history of evolving ideas. I cited the Diggers – Christian proto-communists. So why weren't they they agents? Though slightly different to Marx, what about Peter Kropotkin, Errico Malatesta, Rudolf Rocker, Michael Bakunin etc. Obscure now, but prominent and active in their day.
Who has been more influential on conventional British political philosophy; Karl Marx or John Locke?
Or am I being misleading because influence only counts if it comes from communists and Jews? Who are, by definition, out to rule us all!
Hear, hear, Dogsmilk, have a drink on me! After all the unbelievable BS from people like the obsessive Rodin (no longer here, well done Tony for banning him) and his fellow-travellers it's good to read someone talking sense about Marx and the true origins of communism.
But keep checking under your bed. Did you find any Commie Jews hiding there this morning? Or are they still down Borat's well?
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