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Mmmm - The most recent of these articles is from 10 months ago.
Have I been duped here?
Possibly.......... possibly not but thanks for those articles.
Maybe Obama has only changed tack to get elected?
BTW - The Chicago Tribune article is a dead link.
The War Party Targets Obama
They'll never let him become president - by Justin Raimondo
He's said it many times, in many different venues, and perhaps the words change a bit over time, and the cadences, too, but the message is always the same:
"I think the pundits have it wrong. I think the American people have had enough of politicians who go out of their way to look tough, who say one thing in a caucus and another in a general election. When I am the nominee of our party, the choice will be clear. My Republican opponent won't be able to say that we both supported this war in Iraq. He won't be able to say that we really agree about using the war in Iraq to justify military action against Iran, or about the diplomacy of not talking and saber-rattling. He won't be able to say that I haven't been open and straight with the American people, or that I've changed my positions. And you know what? The American people want that choice. Because I believe that's what we need in our next President.
"We've had enough of a misguided war in Iraq that never should have been fought – a war that needs to end."
Barack Obama said that in a Des Moines speech back in October, but he's been repeating it – with added emphasis – as his campaign has taken off. It's that last line that always gets the loudest, most prolonged applause: the audience goes wild, people stand and cheer – as well they should. We are told that the ideological differences between Obama and the Clintons aren't all that great, that in fact they barely exist, which I think is a highly dubious proposition, but, in any case, on this issue – the vital question of war and peace – the gulf between them could not be wider, or deeper.
She, after all, voted for the war, and she's been saber-rattling over Iran – much to AIPAC's delight. Obama, on the other hand, has taken a clear and consistent antiwar position on the Iraq war, as angular as one could hope for in a mainstream politician, while her insincere pandering to the antiwar instincts of the Democratic base has been absolutely shameless.........
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12366
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Tony Gosling wrote:
| Quote: | | Have I been duped here? |
IMO if you still believe that ANY candidate at this stage isn't bought and paid for by the war party, then respectfully, yes.
| Quote: | | BTW - The Chicago Tribune article is a dead link. |
Yes, and searching their website <obama iran> doesn't find it either. Oh well. I guess the CT website has it's thought police, same as this one.
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Its amazing how Obama manages to be all things to those who hate him.
On some Nazi sites he is accused of being a Muslim, to some right wing US Jews he is in league with the Nation of Islam and thus an anti-semite, to Rense and co a Freemason.
No doubt someone will be saying he is a Jew next, and David Icke will be along to say he is a shape shifter.
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Jewish functionaries stirring the Clinton-Obama race
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/954463.html
| Quote: | Tensions in the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination are mirrored in the American Jewish community. As the gap between the front-runners narrowed in the primaries, the clash between the two Jewish camps has become more heated.
Official Israel is making an effort to maintain a respectable neutrality. Has-beens are being called into the ring, like a former ambassador to Washington, Dan Ayalon, who jabbed Obama in a sensitive spot - the volume of his support for Israel.
Ayalon is not alone. Jewish advisers and non-Jewish supporters are almost obsessively occupied with searching for skeletons in the black candidate's past.
The Republican Party's neoconservative clique is trawling archives for "anti-Israeli" essays by advisers who had been seen in Obama's staff. Robert Malley, who was President Bill Clinton's special assistant during the Camp David talks, joined Obama. The neoconservatives reached Malley's father, a Jew of Egyptian descent, who, alas, kept childhood ties with Yasser Arafat. Malley junior is accused of publishing a joint article with an Oslo-supporting Palestinian, in which they dared to argue that Ehud Barak played a major role in the Camp David summit's failure in July 2000.
Obama is working hard to allay the fears of "Israel's friends," a description reserved mainly for activists of the pro-Israeli lobby AIPAC and for Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents. As far as they're concerned, whoever doesn't support the Israeli government's policy 100 percent is unfit for leadership.
Clinton is reaping the fruit of her investment in the Jewish community and Israel since first running for a Senate seat in New York. She is also benefiting from Bill Clinton's popularity in synagogues, Israeli homes and among his rich Jewish friends.
A long list of initiatives and declarations has erased from the collective Jewish memory the first lady's "slip" in spring 1998, after Arafat threatened Benjamin Netanyahu with a unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state. Clinton then said at a gathering of Israeli and Palestinian youth, members of the Seeds of Peace organization, that it was important to have a "functioning modern" Palestinian state." She also said "it will be in the long-term interest of the Middle East for Palestine to be a state...responsible for its citizens' well-being...education and health care.''
Since then she has commended the Congress' decision to stop the aid to the Palestinians if they declared a state unilaterally. She also praised the separation fence and said that Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount was a "legitimate visit to a holy site."
She adopted a more aggressive stance than Obama about Iran.
Clinton's shift to the right on the peace process alienated some of her old friends on the Jewish left. But they remain convinced that if she wins the White House, she will quickly reclaim her old positions. Experience has taught that the link between a presidential candidate's statements and an elected president's actions is flimsy at best.
For example, since 1967 it's hard to find a candidate who did not promise to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. When Yitzhak Rabin reminded Gerald Ford of that promise, the president explained to him that life looked different from the Oval Office. The forecasts and evaluations regarding American politicians' basic positions regarding the Middle East also have a tendency to prove false. Thus, for example, Hafez Assad hoped for George Bush's victory over Al Gore. He counted on the Bush family's ties to the Saudi royal family and on its addiction to oil. The outcome is known.
And after all that, surveys conducted by Jewish organizations show that the candidates' positions on interior affairs, especially social issues like workers' rights, abortion, stem cell research and medical insurance, interest the Jewish Democratic voters more than their positions on moving the American embassy to Jerusalem or evacuating some illegal outpost in the territories.
That doesn't deter a few Jewish political wheeler dealers (elected by no one) from stirring the boiling cauldron.
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| Quote: | Its amazing how Obama manages to be all things to those who hate him.
On some Nazi sites he is accused of being a Muslim, to some right wing US Jews he is in league with the Nation of Islam and thus an anti-semite, to Rense and co a Freemason.
No doubt someone will be saying he is a Jew next, and David Icke will be along to say he is a shape shifter. |
I doubt the last two.
If Obama outrides all the slurs, and manages to be selected, it can only mean one thing ... the bullet to the head or similar, sooner or later, whatever nightmare catastrophe he's already initiated
If he got selected it's proof positive he's one of them...and an obvious target
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Obama a no planer? "the plane just vanished into steel and glass"
"saw the towers crumble to dust"
approx 4:10 he criticises US invasion of Iraq when they dont have WMDs
approx 7:30 He wants to go on a global chase after "loose nuclear materials" to encourage world removal of nuclear weapons Further excuse for US imperialism? against an almost impossible ideal.
Much of the speech about cyber defence (anti virus software !!) Aha thats the give away for me, for after sweeping the mess of Iraq under the carpet he wants to pursue another of the objectives of "full spectrum domination" --Technological supremacy
Too many hacking into Pentagon and Air Traffic Control ? why mention need for tighter computer protection from Terrorists for ATC ?
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End of the day, it matters not a jot - 'Que sera, sera'...
Dennis Morisseau's got the right idea, though he's a bit of a hot- head, with his 'Fire Congress' campaign.
I believe the best way to get things going in the right (left!) direction is for decent people to be elected to Congress and the Senate, and that the best way to spike AIPAC's guns is to hammer home the 'USS Liberty' issue.
Hopefully Cynthia McKinney will raise hell, but I don't believe anyone, including her, believes she has a chance. But we can dream - a McKinney/Kucinich dream ticket......; Halliburton's KBR concentration camps full of the real traitors; and free (non-fattening) ice cream for all!!
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