Zio-Nazis..Who Will Stop Them?

[blackbear]

soldiers shooting children in the head .....22/10/07

Eight-year-old Palestinian girl Zeina Hamad, from the northern West Bank town of Ramin, east of Tulkarem, died on Sunday evening of wounds she sustained last Friday when Israeli soldiers invaded Tulkarem and shot her in the head.
http://imeu.net/news/article006807.shtml

October 22, 2004:

One casualty, a young woman, was walking outside her house to her cousin's house. Another woman was on her way to the hospital in North Gaza. One schoolboy was on his way to elementary school when an Israeli bullet penetrated his head. Another man was walking to the mosque for dawn prayers when he was shot down. Sometimes it seems as if I write the same report over and over, only the names and places change. The four examples above are typical of the deaths taking place throughout the Gaza Strip.

For the Palestinian residents here, the great majority of whom are Moslem, this is the holy month of Ramadan. For the Israeli occupiers, it seems this is the season of killing civilians, especially children in their houses, on the streets, even in the schools.

All the dislocations and fatal changes can make life seem unreal. One day, you see and talk with your brother, your son or your friend. Then the next day, maybe the next hour, you hear he is dead. Before, you could usually blame a cheap bullet and the IDF sniper who fired it. Lately, we hear of fewer sniper deaths. Now, thanks to all the military aid from America, and the passive acquiescence of the international community, the Israeli army relies more now weapons of greater efficiency—tank shells, Apache missile strikes, machine gun fire, and often, illegal fragmentation devices.

These weapons often make a normal funeral impossible. How can you say farewell when there is nothing left to say farewell to? How can the family say goodbye to a piece of a leg, an arm, or perhaps a barely recognizable fragment of their loved one's head?

Everywhere you go in Gaza lately, in Jabalya , Rafah, Gaza City, Khan Younis, you can smell death. Since the Israeli attack on Jebalya started in late September, the director of Jebalya's Kamal Adwan Hospital, Dr. Mahmoud Asali, said about 140 people were killed, 60 of them children, and over 500 injured, many of them very seriously with upper-body wounds.

Hundreds of houses were completely and partially demolished in North Gaza, especially in Jebalya, Beit Lahia, and Beit Hanoun. Palestinian municipal workers are still working on an official count of the uninhabitable houses, consulting with the newly homeless residents in their surveys of the ruins. "The choices were only two, either leave the house in five minutes or get demolished with it," an elderly lady of 75 years told me. I spoke to Jamila Abu Rokba while she was sitting on the rubble of what had been her house in Jebalya. At the moment, there was nowhere else for her to go.

One of the ambulance drivers at Kamal Adwan Hospital told me, "For more than two and a half years, I have been working as an ambulance driver, but this is the first time I have ever seen victims in such large numbers." He had also never seen bodies so badly mangled. "It was not easy for me to collect human shreds," he said, "and it is even more painful that we often couldn't identify the dead people because so many parts were missing."

The Israeli Occupation Forces have announced their official redeployment from the Jabalya Refugee Camp after 17 days of continuous incursion. During that time, the Gaza Strip was sealed off into many small sections and roads closed by new IDF checkpoints and roadblocks. The IDF violence has not stopped. Today the Israeli soldiers at Abu Holi checkpoint shot at two passengers.. Yesterday, two civilians were injured while they walked beside a taxi on the coast road to Gaza City.

A young civilian was killed while on his way to dawn prayers in Rafah. Medical sources said a 29 year old man was brought to Al Najjar Hospital after being killed by an IDF sniper.

Three children were injured today in the daily shelling. One of them, Niman Abu Samahadanah, a girl 8 years old, has a serious spinal injury. In addition, Egyptian sources announced that a 10 year old Egyptian child was killed on the Egyptian side of the Rafah/Egypt border by Israeli bullets.

All family members were injured: Soha Felfel 6 year old, on her bed, after being injured by a tank shell with all her family in the Jabalya Camp

Palestinian children are collecting what remains from the kindergarten that was demolished by the Israeli bulldozers and apaches shelling

October 2, 2004:

Jabalia is drowning in blood and is now under a new Israeli incursion that's targeting civilian buildings. There is a smell of death on every street you go. Life is getting worse in the North of Gaza Strip, soldiers are targeting everything related to human beings.

Jabalya Camp in the north of Gaza Strip is surrounded here and hundreds of people were killed and injured. All you can see in the hospital is shreds of human flesh spread all over the streets..

The Jabalia Camp continues to this moment to be under attack.. ambulance drivers, medical workers and journalists were the first people to be targeted by the Israeli Army.

In Rafah also, and according to eyewitnesses, the IDF invaded the camp, killing an old man and injuring two others. The situation is deteriorating throughout..

Most of the dead are children. Kamal Adwan, hospital director said: "The soldiers are delibderately targeting the upper parts of the children by rockets and tanks shell."

People here in the North of the Jabalya Camp are in bad need of water and food, and as usual no international organizations are visiting the area to provide the families any help.

http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/news/04/october04.htm

A Jewish rabbi living in the West Bank called on the Israeli government to use their troops to kill all Palestinian males more than 13 years old in a bid to end Palestinian presence on this earth.

Extremist rabbi Yousef Falay, who dwells at the Yitzhar settlement on illegally seized Palestinian land in the northern part of the West Bank, wrote an article in a Zionist magazine under the title "Ways of War", in which he called for the killing of all Palestinian males refusing to flee their country, describing his idea as the practical way to ensure the non-existence of the Palestinian race.

"We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone of them remains, then he should be exterminated", the fanatic rabbi added in his article.

Falay is not the first to have called for such extreme measures. Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Kach movement, called for "the transfer of Israel's Arab population to Arab (or other) lands." (As it states on the group's website). Followers of Kahane have been connected to a number of murders of Palestinians, particularly in the Hebron area in the southern West Bank. In the most well-known of such attacks, 29 Palestinians praying in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron were gunned down by Baruch Goldstein, a follower of Kahane, in 1994, with Israeli soldiers looking on and allowing the gunman to reload his automatic machine gun and continue killing innocent civilians. In response to that massacre, the Israeli authorities punished the Palestinian victims by taking over the Ibrahimi mosque and turning half of it into a synagogue, where Israeli settlers go to pray each week. And each year, on the anniversary of the massacre, Israeli settlers in Hebron dress up like Baruch Goldstein and parade through the streets of Hebron, firing guns in the air.

http://rhodonpublicaffairs.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html

[TonyGosling]

What brave soldiers those IDF boys are - slamming lumps of lead into little children whose skin is a different colour to theirs.

They are only a stone's skim away from bringing this world to its knees just like Hitler did in the 1930s. As the West wakes up to their crimes they may react in the only way they know how by unleashing their deathly psycological false flag firepower.

So they have no real power left except the power to kill - thus was Rome destroyed and thus will the Zionist/satanic conspiracy die. It always was a hopelessly flawed plan but they are in denial overdrive about it.



They are scared to death that the likes of Finklestein and other honest Jews have rumbled their sick arrogant and racist game to make the Israeli state 'untouchable' hence the guilt-tripping of the Oxford Union etc.

[TonyGosling]

Some pretty frightening footage of hostile Zionist settlers - one of the things they most seem to dislike is the filming. A good reason to get out there and buy a camera.


Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefIti-uFUo

[paul wright]

Yup, we know how it is.
Tony, I can't wait to see how all this is presented on the 7/7 documentary
If I was of the Liberal Left types who dominate the BBC, the Guardian and Independent and whose more active wing inhabit Indymedia,Rachel North UB75 and so on, then I'd be shlurping up material from here, carefully edited to back up the tie between Nick K and his holocaust theory, and the repeated, (and justified imo) vitriol here against the Israeli state, and here an obvious example of its brainwashed inhabitants

I'm not saying this material shouldn't be discussed, far from it.
I'm not saying Tristan has this mindset, though I presume from his position he has an Oxbridge educated traditional Left/Liberal background.
That certainly applies to his parents (I can't say they were Oxbridge for certain)

I'm just interested at how easy it would be for the BBC to demolish the whole 7/7 truth movement as antisemitic, according to the current meme and trigger words and images, if they choose to do so

I'd be interested to hear your feelings on this

[AntonH2]

Finally some politicing and facts on the issue, instead of someone annoyingly going on about "Jews! Jews! Jews!" all the time...

In Israel, US imperialism has created "another Jewish ghetto" for their own means and winning - it's been a disaster for Judaism and has been fueling anti-semitism ever since it's founding.

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

"What is Judaism?"

Ah the companion question to "who is a Jew?"

Well technically speaking Judaism is a religion based upon the Tanakh in the same way that Christianity is based upon the Bible and Islam the Quran.

Asking what followers believe in is not a great question to ask. Within Judaism there are many sects and beliefs. The question is absurd as asking what every Christian believes in, they all have their own views but will share some core central beliefs.

Anyway unfortunately I need to start getting some dinner ready so i'm not able to finish up here.

If you want questions answered on Judaism Andrew I'm probably in a position to answer. Feel free.

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

Asking what I believe in isn't going to really aid in you working out the fundamentals of the Jewish faith.

But anyway the Tanakh is pretty much what is in the Old Testament.

You have the Torah (teaching) which consists of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. I am using their biblical names instead of the Hebrew ones to make things easier. (and I don't know how to get Hebrew characters).

You then have the nevi'im (prophets). Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the 12 minor prophets.

The Ketuvim (writings) consist of the remaining chapters and is itself separated into 3 divisions:

The Sifrei Emet (Books of Truth): Psalms, Proverbs, Job
The Five (Megilot) scrolls, Song of songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther
I don't know the collective name for the remaining four: Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah and Chronicles.

So as you see the Tanakh is the Old Testament and there is very little different between the two beyond the names of the books.

I don't think that listing the books of the Tanakh actually aided you but at least allowed you to see that the Tanakh and Old Testament are the same.

I'm really struggling to work out what in fact you are asking and if there is a concrete answer to it.

Is there anything else you would like to know?

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

You're problem is that one talks of Jews and one talks of Israelites?

Well the followers of moses were Israelites and were Jewish. The Israelites were the first people to follow the Jewish religion as given to Moses.

"Also if we can’t read it in English how are we supposed to just accept it?"

Accept it? What do you mean by that? And the Tanakh is available in English. In fact since they are so closely related, the Old Testament section from a Bible will suffice.

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

"Jesus said, "I am The Way, the Truth and the Life" and "no man comes to the Father except by me." How does that relate to the Song of Moses?"

Not at all if you are Jewish and so don't accept Jesus as the Messiah.

The rest of your post I don't quite get the point of but I assume it is trying to narrow down who is a Jew and who is an Israeli and the history thereof. Now the history doesn't interest me so much but it's an interesting enough subject. The question of who is a Jew is rather complicated and it's best not to include history in it because it is now also a legal matter and so the legal definitions and decisions take precedent.

Oh and the Song of Moses was apparently a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem, though I have never read it myself.

[Andrew.]

Desmond wrote:
“In fact since they are so closely related, the Old Testament section from a Bible will suffice”
"Oh and the Song of Moses was apparently a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem, though I have never read it myself."

Deuteronomy
31:22 Moses therefore wrote this "Song" (Covenant) the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.

31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this Law in a Book, until they were finished,
31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the Ark of the Covenant of the "I AM", saying,
31:26 Take this Book of The Law, and put it in the side of The Ark of The Covenant of the "I AM" your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Desmond wrote:
"But anyway the Tanakh is pretty much what is in the Old Testament.
You have the Torah (teaching) which consists of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. I am using their biblical names instead of the Hebrew ones to make things easier. (and I don't know how to get Hebrew characters)."

>Desmond the Tanakh is a version of the Talmud it has nothing to do with the Torah or the Old Testament and the intention is to twist and confuse people with it,and is also why you have to repeatedly lie and intentionally twist people’s words in your post’s. I am not going to point them out as they are plain to see for those who want to see.

Desmond wrote:
"The rest of your post I don't quite get the point of but I assume it is trying to narrow down who is a Jew and who is an Israeli and the history thereof. Now the history doesn't interest me so much but it's an interesting enough subject. The question of who is a Jew is rather complicated and it's best not to include history in it because it is now also a legal matter and so the legal definitions and decisions take precedent."

Desmond wrote:
"because it is now also a legal matter and so the legal definitions and decisions take precedent"

>I do not follow your Talmudic legal policies as I have said, I follow God’s Law’s not his opposer.

Desmond wrote:
"The rest of your post I don't quite get the point of"

>The Fight For The KINGDOM
And Justice For
ALL.

[Desmond]

"Desmond the Tanakh is a version of the Talmud it has nothing to do with the Torah or the Old Testament"

The Tanakh is the Jewish term for the Old Testament, it's first 5 books are called the Torah. The Talmud is totally separate.

Every part of the above quotation is wrong.

"and is also why you have to repeatedly lie"

It's not a lie. You can pick up a copy of the Torah and check for yourself. It will be split into 3 subdivision, the first will be called the Torah and the entire book will have the same contents as an Old Testament Bible.

If you're going to accuse me of lying then at least try and prove me wrong.

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

"But you have not shown us your version or any version of it Desmond."

Okay for the sake of argument and ease we will use an online version: http://www.hareidi.org/bible/ Use the JPS translation.

"I have given quotations from the Torah which you keep misquoting"

I don't think I've ever quoted the Torah here. Correct me if i'm wrong but I don't recall doing it.

"(or have been taught wrong interpretations)"

It interpretations are just that, there is no wrong one.

"to suit yet more deceptions"

Like....?

"To say, any copy repeatedly is deceptive."

I don't even understand this sentence.

"This is also from the Torah"

What is?

Oh and your still trying to use the Biblical arguments on a topic that is decided upon a legal basis.

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

Why are posting such long lengths of Biblical quotes when discussing a legal matter?

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

Who counts as Jewish.

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

I didn't go on about Jews. In fact if you look around at this forum and see how obsessed it is with Jews is in fact sickening and detrimental.

"To make exceptions for a relatively small group of people regardless of whom or what they say they are is racist"

Who is making exceptions?

"What matters is what you or anyone does as an individual."

Totally unrelated to what we are discussing.

[Andrew.]

Desmond wrote:
I didn't go on about Jews. In fact if you look around at this forum and see how obsessed it is with Jews is in fact sickening and detrimental.

Desmond. Are you here because this site exposes the Evil racist Zionists


To make exceptions for a relatively small group of people regardless of whom or what they say they are is racist, so for you to go on about Jews Zionists as though they are more important than others is racist.

Desmond wrote:
Who is making exceptions?
Desmond wrote:
"when discussing a legal matter" "Who counts as Jewish"



What matters is what you or anyone does as an individual. With Truth in thought word and deed. (You should learn where all lie’s and confusion come from, it is a need)

Desmond wrote:
Totally unrelated to what we are discussing.

Is it because Zionists are more important than the rest of us Demond.?

[Desmond]

"Are you here because this site exposes the Evil racist Zionists"

No I'm here for the other matters. In fact the obsession with Jews is very off -putting.

"Is it because Zionists are more important than the rest of us Demond.?"

I have no idea where you got that idea from. And you say I twist words.

And just because who is Jewish is a legal matter does not mean that they are an exception or above any race.

[Andrew.]

Are you here because this site exposes the Evil racist Zionists"

No I'm here for the other matters. In fact the obsession with Jews is very off -putting.

>Zionists Desmond.What matters are you here for Desmond?

"Is it because Zionists are more important than the rest of us Demond.?"

I have no idea where you got that idea from. And you say I twist words.

>It was a ? "And you say I twist words"

And just because who is Jewish is a legal matter does not mean that they are an exception or above any race.

>Zionist Desmond. Judge a tree by the fruit it bears

[Desmond]

"What matters are you here for Desmond?"

Well the website name gives that away.

"It was a ?"

One loaded with implication.

"And just because who is Jewish is a legal matter does not mean that they are an exception or above any race."

No but it does mean that you posting reels of biblical quotes is meaningless.

[Andrew.]

[Desmond]

Oh finally back on topic and without a Bible verse in sight.

Well the question should be do we actually want to stop them? If Israel wasn't a Jewish state then what would it be? Who would it be owned by? Hamas? They're hardly nice people are they?

It's all well and good complaining about Israel but would the alternative be any better? Is the idea that the Arabs would do a better job just because they're not Jews? Looking at the rest of the Middle East it's hard to find a reason to think so.

[simplesimon]

ONE STATE !