KP50
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 Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Alex_V wrote: | | Quote: | | Please don't assume for me - you are the one pushing this book and quoting from it - yet the first para I research I find anomalies. Now you want me to "prove" there is deeper significance to the anomaly. |
You brought up an anomaly, and now you seem to want to disown it. Is it my anomaly now? I don't want it - it has little or no relevance in my view. If you think it has significance, then that is up to you. |
This is painful - I am not disowning it - I am pointing it out to you as you are a supposed seeker of truth. I think it has no significance at all other than to illustrate the mass of anomalies that surround the Pentagon incident. If you have looked into the topic to any degree you will already be aware of this.
The fact that 3 people are now claiming to have found the FDR makes me suspicious - yet you don't have a problem with it. Why is that? Are all your critical faculties lacking? Would you admit that maybe somebody is actually "making stuff up"? Yes, making it up and feeding into a propaganda machine? That Popular Mechanics quote is all over the internet, it has emotional resonance, especially the bit about body parts. So you would want it to be accurate yes? Or do you believe everything you read if you want to believe it, and nothing you believe if it is uncomfortable to you?
| Alex_V wrote: | | Quote: | | So what do you propose I do? Research each and every paragraph in the book and produce a detailed response? Would you be less embarrassed then? |
I would be less critical of the truth movement if it took actual notice of published accounts of witnesses to the damage, fire and debris yes. Or is the truth movement suggesting (as some at PfT do) that this book is irrelevant to their argument without even looking at it? |
When I last looked PfT made statements about the FDR data - what can a book about fires possibly have to say about FDR data? Please enlighten me. |
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Alex_V
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| KP50 wrote: | This is painful - I am not disowning it - I am pointing it out to you as you are a supposed seeker of truth. I think it has no significance at all other than to illustrate the mass of anomalies that surround the Pentagon incident. If you have looked into the topic to any degree you will already be aware of this.
The fact that 3 people are now claiming to have found the FDR makes me suspicious - yet you don't have a problem with it. Why is that? Are all your critical faculties lacking? Would you admit that maybe somebody is actually "making stuff up"? |
I don't have a problem with the different accounts for reasons I already mentioned - the anomalies are much more likely explained by false alarms on the day, or hazy recollections in the accounts, or just plain bad reporting. There is a chance that somebody might be making something up, but that could be for other motives (bad memory, arrogance, vanity) than lying on behalf of a murderous conspiracy. Also the idea that the black boxes would not have been planted on the wreckage even if there was a conspiracy in action makes no logical sense to me, which makes your suggested interpretation of these accounts even more unlikely in my opinion.
I note your theory once-again implicates firefighters in possibly being complicit in a murderous conspiracy.
| Quote: | | Yes, making it up and feeding into a propaganda machine? That Popular Mechanics quote is all over the internet, it has emotional resonance, especially the bit about body parts. So you would want it to be accurate yes? Or do you believe everything you read if you want to believe it, and nothing you believe if it is uncomfortable to you? |
I think this is an example of running a thousand miles with the idea before its basic validity has been critically examined. None of this is any way relevant if the anomaly has some other, much more likely, explanation. Yet already you have constructed a grand narrative around it including a corrupt national press, and a populace falling for a lie, and sheeple like me being too narrow-minded to accept 'the truth'.
Do I believe everything I read? No. Do I believe nothing that is uncomfortable to me? No. Don't make idle accusations about the way my mind works, as you have clearly shown your own critical reasoning to be utterly unreliable. |
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