The 'son of 7/7' trial At Kingston

[Newspeak International]

Thanks for the link Numeral,that's a very comprehensive forum to be sure.

I'm not disputing the times of the events, just the 63 minute anomally,of the timestamped CCTV images.

If it were 3 minutes I would still be asking the same question.

[astro3]

LONDON JULY 7TH CCTV SHOWN AT LAST

On May 1st at Kingston, the following sequence of CCTV footage was released: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7378468.stm

It starts off with Aldgate station with a timestamp saying 07.44 at 07.07.05, moving at 2-second intervals with some minute gaps onto 07.47. The explosion is meant to happen at 07.46. The Aldgate blast was the first that morning, at either 08.49 or 08.50 - so there is an immediate credibilty problem here. If we are being shown the blast from Liverpool Street - ‘a bright flash of light is seen in the tunnel into which the train has just disappeared’ (Daily Mail May 2nd) and the blast was on the 2nd carriage, then there were 4 between it and the back of the train, so it must have been a very bright flash. As has been pointed out this could not have been TATP which gives no flash when it explodes. We don’t see any bright flash in this CCTV excerpt, do we?.

We see an early pic of a car turning a corner in Leeds, with a timestamp of 03.59. We see Tanweer filing up the blue Nissan Micra (hired) with no time or date stamp, and are told its at 04.50 am. Can you see anyone else in that car, or is he the only one?

Then we are shown a car-park, with an authentic-looking timestamp, of 07/07/05 at 07.20 am, and the BBc have added a time notice saying ‘7.15.’ It is meant to show the four of them putting on their backpacks at Luton.

Then we come to the all-important King’s Cross CCTV of the Four which was announced on 12th July 2005 as having been the means by which the police recognized them, and from this the trail somehow led up to Leeds the next day. It’s a brief couple of seconds of some darkly-silhouetted figures, with rucksacks, but with NO TIME OR DATE STAMP. I couldn’t personally recognize anyone here, beyond the fact that one of them was wearing a white baseball cap.

The most suspicious sequence of all is surely Hasib Hussein in Boots. There is no time or date stamp here, and if you recall the one we were earlier shown had a timestamp which had been attached, ie not an authentic CCTV timestamp. One would like to hear a photoshop expert talking about this sequence of images. What is that funny background effect behind him? Is he really present in those crowds where his figure is apparently shown? In this sequence we cannot actually see the one shot that had been released in 2005, it is missing.

Finally we are shown CCTV images from ‘the bus in front’ of the number 30, at the moment of explosion ie 09.47, packed out with passengers. As this was not a normal bus route (was it?) we could do with a little more info here about what was this bus in front, and how come it was so packed out with passengers – where were they going?

In this court case, no-one is doubting the July 7th narrative, so there is no-one to question these CCTV images, released finally after 3 years.

If you want to refresh your memory as to what real, normal CCTV looks like, just go back to the 28 June pics http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7378368.stm
- they all have time and date stamps upon them, (except one brief sequence of arrival on King's Cross station) and are crisp, clear images showing recognisable faces.

[astro3]

For the J7 discussion of these new images, see http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=97&st=70

Let's recall here the words of the Met, given out on Tuesday 12th July 2005, concerning how they made the big breakthrough, on Monday 11th July:

[astro3]

Script of Khan’s Home video
The Home Video which Khan made with the help of his wife Hasina Patel in October 2004 is alleged to have a dialogue with his pals Tanweer and Hasib Hussein. There is a terrible moment in this video, when he asks his pals for any words of wisdom concerning his outing to Pakistan, and they reply with a laugh, ‘Just kill everyone there is.’

If you go to page 27, on the J7 thread http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=2655
(50 pages!) You will notice that, a couple of J7 bloggers agree that those ‘words of wisdom’ 'kill everyone there is' seem to be missing on one version of this video: they cite a link to a Metropolitan police video, that no longer works. I couldn't find any more discusion of this remarkable fact.

Selection of the Jury
On April 7th, a Mr Justice Gross adressed 150 potential jurors, assuring them that, as they knew, the Luton Four were guilty. He then gave them a 16-point questionnaire. On the basis of that questionnaire, 12 of them were selected, and then the Prosecution's case commenced the next day. One would indeed like to see that 16-point questionnaire. Is it normal for a jury to be selected in this manner?

From 9/11 to 7/7
There is a deep 9/11 connection to this 7/7 trial, little appreciated! Two things began on Monday, April 7th .

Synchronising with this July 7th trial, a major international security conference opened on the very same day:
From 9/11 to 7/7: Global Terrorism Today and the Challenges of Tomorrow
in Chatham House, London. A brochure explained how, ‘

[truthseeker john]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7537552.stm

Jury dismissed in 7/7 plot trial

The jury in the trial of three men accused of helping the 7 July London bombers has failed to reach a verdict.

The Kingston Crown Court jury had spent two weeks considering a charge of conspiracy to cause an explosion.

Waheed Ali, 25, Sadeer Saleem, 28, and Mohammed Shakil, 32, all from Leeds, admit having known the 7/7 bombers but denied having helped them find targets.

The prosecution is expected to seek a retrial and the men were remanded in custody until a hearing in September.

On Friday, Mr Justice Gross asked the jury if they had reached a verdict on any of the three defendants.

'Smiled broadly'

When the foreman said no, the judge said the time had come to discharge the jury.

The BBC's Liz Shaw, who was in court, said Mr Ali smiled broadly from the dock as the position became clear.

However, the trio were remanded in custody and will return to court for a hearing in late September.

The trial had focused on a trip to London by the three men, which also included two of the eventual suicide bombers.

Prosecutors said the men had effectively carried out a dry run for the July 2005 attacks by assessing the capital's security during their visit in December 2004.

They alleged the visit had been organised by 7/7 plot ringleader Mohammad Sidique Khan, who had contacted the men from Pakistan.

''Shared objectives''

Neil Flewitt QC, prosecuting, had told the court that the three were not directly responsible for the explosions that killed 52 and maimed hundreds more.

But he said evidence showed they shared the same objectives as the bombers and knew that some kind of attack was being planned.

The men vehemently denied this, saying that their trip to London had been to allow one of them to see family and to take in a little tourism.

In tense courtroom scenes, each of the men in turn denounced the prosecution as politically motivated and stressed the bombers' actions had been completely un-Islamic.

The three-month trial heard that the three men had grown up in the same tight-knit community as three of the bombers and shared many of their concerns about the plight of Muslims around the world.

Each of the men had spent time in training camps in Pakistan because they wanted to support Muslim fighters seeking to liberate Islamic lands.

But the jury could not decide whether or not their beliefs stretched to supporting suicide bombings or attacks of any kind against civilians or other targets in the UK.

'London visit'

The trial heard that in December 2004, Mr Ali, Mr Saleem and Mr Shakil had travelled to London.

Prosecutors said their movements bore a "striking similarity" to the final targets.

The men also visited the London Eye, Natural History Museum and London Aquarium.

But the men denied having entered the London Underground, saying they had driven around the city, and said the entire case rested on partial records of where their mobile phones had connected to the network.

They accused the police and media of creating a climate of fear in the Beeston area of Leeds.

The men were arrested in 2007 amid the largest ever criminal investigation in the UK, which continues today.

Tens of thousands of police hours have been spent on the three-year-old investigation - and detectives say there are still people in the Leeds area who know more.

[TonyGosling]

[sycorax82]

"The men also visited the London Eye, Natural History Museum and London Aquarium. "

Lock them up and throw away the key!!

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Can you be tried again or the same charge??? Is this a clause in the prevention of terrorism act perchance? Did the prosecution straight faced claim it was too much a "coincidence" they visited Kings Cross ,the station for Leeds and other northern locations (I understand).Does the prosecution in this case REALLY not know the full catalogue of 7/7 coincidences? One more question, doesn't all this put another 'nail in the coffin' in the claim the alleged 7/7 bombers were 'clean skins' and that there as "no 7/7 forewarning"???

[TonyGosling]

This is also likely to mean an indefinite delay to the BBC 7/7 documentary which WAS scheduled to be aired after the verdict on BBC2 in September.

[paul wright]

[astro3]

The three lads are still in jail. A four month trial has got nowhere, wasting tens of millions of taxpayers money, and now another trial may simply start again in January, with a new jury, as if this one had never been. The media are greatly inhibited from making any comments, on the grounds that they might 'prejudice' a new, forthcoming trial. The 7/7 conspiracy files BBC program may indeed be put back until next Easter or whenever this new, second trial grinds to its finale. The program was not about the trial as such, however the BBC could be in trouble if it came out with a program on the subject before any future second trial had happened. In the meantime the Met are presumably still at liberty to not make vital info public, on the grounds of a future upcoming trial.

Basically a jury have been given tons and tons of information, over four months, of extremely doubtful relevance to anything, and have now said 'we don't know.' A trial based on the Victorian 'Explosive substances Act' where 3 lads went to London one weekend and had a great time - and didn't even visit the tube.

As we speak, the Heathrow liquid bomb trial jury are deliberating, and that trial lasted even longer: these are both phantom terror trials where a bunch of Muslims are tried for having possibly intended to do something.

[TonyGosling]

Aldgate. Uniformed Met. Police are on the platform and passing under us towards the train just over a minute after the explosion.
That's uncharateristic efficiency.
Did they get Netanyahu's warning too?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7378468.stm

[astro3]

No convictions were secured, which means that the jury did not vote 10:2 or 11:1 or 12: 0 for 'guilty,' does anyone know how they did vote?

The 'double jeapordy' law would forbid another trial for the same (alleged) offense if they had so voted.

A very similar situation applies to the Heathrow liquid-bomb trial, where the jury was not convinced of any airline plot, for the 8 on trial, and HMG is simply going to do the whole show over again, with a new jury. Again we might like to hear how the jury did vote.

[truthseeker john]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7378468.stm
What the f**k is this for evidence?

[astro3]

John, could you be a bit more explicit? Tell you why I ask: the Kingston trial heard this as evidence, of Hasib Husseinn as having got on the 91 bus at King's Cross (as averred in the Official Report):

[TonyGosling]

The retrial has just begun

Kingston retrial of four alleged 7/7 bombers friends
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=16568

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