Huge bomb blast at Islamabad Marriott Hotel-false flag op?

[paul wright]

Hmm. Huge crater in the road.
Concrete stripped from steel.How about those cars?
Conventional truck bomb?
Musharraf gone.
Taleban created by Pakistans ISI
US attack 'Taleban insurgents in incursions into Pakistan Territory.
Newly installed president vows to prevent both terrorism and foreign incursions into its territory
Attack being blamed on the Taleban
Raging fires on the upper stories
How does this all stack up? I wonder.....

Is this a false flag of highly suspicious provenance?
For one thing, as the late Uncle Joe Vialls instructed us long ago, you don't get to blast massive craters in properly metalled road surface,- as this obviously was, being in the vicinity of the prestigious Merriott,- with conventional truck or car bombs, no matter how massive the charge. Viz Omagh and even Oklahoma
And look at this one in comparison to the size of the hotel in the background - it's really big and remarkably unsinged
What the hell has produced this kind of disruption and caused an inflagration in the upper stories of the building?
He used to posit mininukes for this kind of blast.
I'm personally start to wonder interferometric beams
Mad, eh?
More
http://www.truthforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=491

[Rowan Berkeley]

Judy Wood's "toasted cars":
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#toasted

[fish5133]

Somebody flexing their full spectrum domination maybe

[truthseeker john]

[fish5133]

[scubadiver]

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17401

[truthseeker john]

[truthseeker john]

[QuitTheirClogs]

This is one for the explosives experts, but that looks like a big crater, yet the reinforced-concrete colonnade appears to have survived intact. A bit different from:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Murrah_Building_-_Aerial.jpg

[paul wright]

There is no crater in front of the Murrah building because it was destroyed by internal explosives and not hit only by an alledged truck bomb, which undoubtedly went off, but couldn't have caused a crater, because they just dont do that sort of thing

[paul wright]

This is some crater..
The day after


Created by a truck bomb?

[outsider]

[insidejob]

The physical evidence of this attack makes no sense at all.

Questions we need to answer are:
Where was the truck in relation to the hotel given the video pictures?
How come the video was not destroyed?
How come the video ends before we see anything of the actual explosion?
Why did the second floor, or wherever, of the hotel catch fire when no other part of the building had the flames that that floor did?

This attack makes no sense.

[chem]

Jon Snow has just suggested to David Milliband on channel 4 news that it looks like an inside job. The look of guilt on Milliband's face is priceless.

Must try and get the video.

[fish5133]

[QuitTheirClogs]

Some examples of blast radii:


Link



Effective blast radius = "to kill or shatter concrete"

Mortar Round (2 lbs HE) = 2 yards

Howitzer Round (20 lbs) = 5 yards

Conventional Bomb (2,000 lbs) = 25 yards

BLU-82 (15,000 lbs) = 100 yards
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/07/afghanistan.terrorism6

MOAB (18,000 lbs) = 150 yards

[TonyGosling]

please please please
anyone got this??
Milliband, Prince of False Flags, defrocked on live television!

[paul wright]

Cheers Tony. I do think that image of those toasted cars with their gleaming alloy wheels and inflated tyres is kind of interesting, though many explanations can be brought into play. Though I don't much like the anti-Wood droning. Obviously something very wrong's going on here. But if it's easier for media commentators to see it in far off distant Muslim lands and put it to extreme criminal politicians, that can only be a step forward, I guess

[fish5133]

What gets me about those damaged cars is the extent of the physical damage (not just torched) and yet they are still neatly parked. Surely they would have moved out of line by a huge blast?

[paul wright]

Yep. What seems to be happening is a top down blast, hence the preserved wheels, protected by the wheel arches, while a sideways blast, as expected by a truck bomb should have moved them a fraction or tossed them aside, yet the crater suggests a bottom up blast
Odd

[conspiracy analyst]

September 22, 2008

US Hands Over Suitcase Nukes To Al Qaida In Pakistan

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)

Russian Military Analysts are reporting in the Kremlin today that the massive blast that caused 53 deaths at the Islamabad Marriott hotel in Pakistan was an operation conducted by India's foreign intelligence agency The Research and Analysis Wing [RAW] in an attempt to ‘decapitate’ Pakistan’s entire leadership, including their President, Prime Minister and Military Chiefs all of whom, at ‘the last minute,’ changed the location of their planned meeting with the United States Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, who had arrived in their country unannounced.

These reports continue by stating that India had become ‘alarmed’ by the United States Defence Intelligence Organization [DIA] and Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence [ISI] plan to provide Al Qaida and Taliban terrorist forces with 37 suitcase nuclear weapons to be used against Western Nations in the coming month.

Not being understood by the American people is that Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agents were the ‘creators and controllers’ of these terrorist organizations and are still active in their operations and attacks, and as we can read:

“Pakistan's intelligence agency is helping the Taliban to pursue an insurgency in Afghanistan that has seen a 50 percent hike in attacks in some areas this year, the NATO commander here told AFP.

The number of foreign fighters, including Europeans, is also increasing here while NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) still lacks the soldiers it needs, US General David D. McKiernan said in a weekend interview.

"There certainly is a level of ISI complicity in the militant areas in Pakistan and organisations such as the Taliban," the four-star general said, echoing allegations by Afghan President Hamid Karzai and others.

"I can't say to what level of leadership that goes to but there are indications of complicity on the part of ISI... to the extent that they are facilitating these militant groups that come out of the tribal areas in Pakistan.”

To the exact transferring to Al Qaida and Taliban of these suitcase nuclear weapons we can read as reported by Pakistan’s International News Service:

“Witnessed by many, including a PPP MNA and his friends, a US embassy truckload of steel boxes was unloaded and shifted inside the Marriott Hotel on the same night when Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

Both the main gates (the entrance and the exit) of the hotel were closed while no one except the US Marines were either allowed to go near the truck or get the steel boxes unloaded or shift them inside the hotel. These steel boxes were not passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the hotel lobby and were reportedly shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.

Besides several others, PPP MNA Mumtaz Alam Gilani and his two friends, Sajjad Chaudhry, a PPP leader, and one Bashir Nadeem, witnessed this mysterious activity to which no one other than the PPP MNA objected and protested.

A source present there told The News that after entertaining them with refreshments at the Nadia restaurant at midnight when Mumtaz Alam, along with his friends, was to leave the hotel, he found a white US embassy truck standing right in front of the hotel's main entrance.

Both the In-gate and the Out-gate of the hotel were closed while almost a dozen well-built US Marines in their usual fatigues were unloading the steel boxes from the truck. No one, including the hotel security men, was either allowed to go near the truck or touch the steel boxes, which were being shifted inside the hotel but without passing through the scanners.

Upon inquiry, one of the three PPP friends who was waiting for the main gates of the hotel to open to get his car in, was informed that the suspicious boxes were shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the hotel. Mumtaz Alam was furious both at the US Marines and the hotel security not only for the delay caused to them but also for the security lapse he was witnessing.”

The International News Service further reports that two of the US Marines involved in the transferring of these nuclear weapons were also killed:

“The US Department of Defence at Pentagon has confirmed the death of its two marines in Hotel Marriott blast in Islamabad. According to GEO News, the Pentagon said on Sunday its two marines succumbed to injuries in the blast. The soldiers were deployed in the US embassy in Islamabad, it said. Pentagon said the names of the US marines could not be revealed prior to informing families of the victims.”

India’s anger against both the United States and Pakistan was further raised by Pakistan’s deadly bombing of the Indian Embassy in Afghanistan, and as we can read:

“According to U.S. intelligence sources, Pakistan's intelligence service provided support to pro-Taliban insurgents responsible for the July 7 bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul, which killed more than 40 people. Shocking though Pakistani involvement may seem to some, it is thoroughly predictable, given the worldview and interests of Pakistan's Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Unless we address what's angering the ISI, we won't be able to stabilize Afghanistan or capture al-Qaeda leaders inside its borders.”

Most disturbing about these reports is their stating that ‘an unknown number’ of these suitcase nuclear weapons survived the explosion and are now to be ‘presumed to be in the hands of their intended recipients’.

These reports also state the nuclear materials contained in these suitcase bombs were obtained during what is termed in the United States as a ‘Bent Spear’ incident which occurred in 2007, and as we can read:

“The 2007 United States Air Force nuclear weapons incident occurred at Minot Air Force Base and Barksdale Air Force Base on August 29–30, 2007. Six AGM-129 ACM cruise missiles, each loaded with a W80-1 variable yield nuclear warhead, were mistakenly loaded on a United States Air Force (USAF) B-52H heavy bomber at Minot and transported to Barksdale.

The nuclear warheads in the missiles were supposed to have been removed before taking the missiles from their storage bunker. The missiles with the nuclear warheads were not reported missing and remained mounted to the aircraft at both Minot and Barksdale for a period of 36 hours. During this period, the warheads were not protected by the various mandatory security precautions required for nuclear weapons.”

Also, and as we had reported on in our September 16th report US To Declare October ‘Economic Emergency’, Suspend Elections, the use of these suitcase nuclear weapons do, indeed, appear to be designed to deal the final death of the Western Nations political and economic structures in their continued efforts to shock their citizens senseless and allow them to institute the final set of laws needed to totally enslave these peoples forever.

[fish5133]

[outsider]

[paul wright]

[TonyGosling]

Thanks - He was asked TWICE whether or not it was an inside job, whether the ISI was behind it. Hot stuff!

[isfahan]

Whenever I hear an atrocity blamed on Al Qaeda my internal cr@p-detector invariably changes the phrase to Al-CIA-duh. Seems so again. I found this and thought to send it on in its original form. The English may not be perfect but it seems Pakistanis are far more alert to this kind of thing:

http://tinyurl.com/4fy43m

What Was Mysterious Activity Going on in the Marriott Hotel Islamabad by United States Marines?
Pakistan Daily, Sunday, 21 September 2008
12:18 www.daily.pk

Marriott Hotel has now become a ghost house which was yesterday the most beautiful and prestigious hotels in the Islamabad. While the condemnation of the blasts and the deaths and the loss of property is going on from all the quarters, some intriguing news is also pouring in.

After the blast, mysteriously fire was started at the fourth and fifth floors. It was said that this fire was the result of gas pipeline burst running through the hotel. The million dollar question is that was the gas pipeline not running through the other floors? Why the fire broke out from the fourth and fifth flours? That is the question which perhaps holds the key to the mystery as why the hotel was targeted yesterday, in which more than 60 people died including many foreigners.

Though it would never get confirmed but the fire on the fifth and fourth floor of the hotel broke out because those flours were housing the mysterious steel boxes under the heavy guard of United States marines and no one including the Pakistani security forces and the security men of the hotel were allowed to go near with the them. These boxes were shifted inside the hotel when the Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

It is said that one member of parliament Mumtaz Alam who belongs to the PPP, the ruling party was there eye witnessed the whole scene when the white truck of US embassy came to the gate of Marriot Hotel and US marines themselves unloaded the steel boxes from the trucks and shifted them to the fourth and fifth floors without passing through them the scanners at the entrance of the hotels. When the truck was there, all the entrance and the exit passage way to the hotels were closed.

And now this blast has occurred at the Marriott, while that mysterious activity was going on.

[scubadiver]

Link to Pakistan Daily

[Micpsi]

More on those steel boxes:

Americans’ presence at Marriott not a secret: US embassy

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani authorities are trying to solve the riddle of US Marines and their mysterious steel cases, which were shifted to the Marriott Hotel four days before the hotel was reduced to ashes by the worst ever terrorist attack in the history of the federal capital.

These authorities want to ascertain if it was a routine exercise or part of some special mission that does not have the approval of the Government of Pakistan.

The US embassy insists the activity witnessed was a team of support personnel that often and routinely precede and/or accompany certain US officials. However, the government authorities probing the matter have already got most of the facts ascertained as mentioned in The News story on Sunday.

According to an official source, the authorities were told that mysterious activity of the US Marines took place around 12:00 midnight on 16 September. Already the government has got the information that several rooms on the fourth floor of the Marriott were in permanent use of the US authorities. Three of these rooms were said to be inter-connected and contained some intelligence equipment and other material allegedly used for espionage.

Sadruddin Hashwani, the owner of the Marriott, when approached denied that the Americans had any such presence in the hotel and said that like any such hotel in the world his guests included people of different nationalities. “Why focus on the Americans unnecessarily,” Hashwani wondered. He refuted that the US embassy had permanently hired several rooms in his hotel.

The US embassy spokesperson Lou Fintor, however, when asked if the US embassy had hired several rooms in the Marriott Hotel for years, said in his written reply that the US embassy has been a frequent customer of the Marriott Hotel for many years. On any given day, he said, there were employees of the American embassy and official American visitors staying at the hotel. “There is nothing unusual, secretive or ‘mysterious’ about this,” he said.

When asked if three of these permanently hired rooms were interconnected, Fintor said, “For our frequent visiting delegations, the embassy often rented adjoining rooms — as we often do in other hotels in Pakistan and in the world.”

Responding to unconfirmed reports that the US-rented rooms in the Marriott Hotel were being used by the CIA for espionage purposes, he said, “Unfortunately, far too many things have been ‘said’ that have absolutely no basis in fact. There is no truth whatsoever in allegations that covert activity was taking place on the part of the United States government.”

The spokesman said that these allegations are inaccurate, irresponsible, baseless and completely without any foundation whatsoever.

About the Marines and the steel cases which were reported to have been shifted to the hotel between the night of 16 and 17 September and whether these Marines and the suitcases were in the hotel on the day of the blast or evacuated before, he said, “A team of support personnel often and routinely precede and/or accompany certain US government officials. They often carry communication and office equipment required to support large delegations, such as high-level administration officials and members of the US Congress.”

He added that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff would travel with communications equipment. “It is quite possible that some saw this communications equipment moved into the hotel. This equipment would leave with the CJCS. If the equipment was transported in full public view then obviously there was no attempt made to conceal its movement.”

Witnessed by many, including a PPP MNA and his friends, a US embassy’s truckload of steel boxes was unloaded and shifted inside the Marriott Hotel on September 16 midnight only after Mike Mullen, the US Admiral, had met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad and had already left. Both the main gates (the entrance and the exit) of the hotel were closed while no one except the US Marines was either allowed to go near the truck or get the steel boxes unloaded or shift them inside the hotel. These steel boxes were not being passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the hotel’s lobby, and were reportedly shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.

The US embassy spokesman also confirmed that the Marriott rooms, which were in use of the US officials, had the communication and office equipment, which were transported for use by Admiral Mullen.

A hotel employee, on condition of not being named, confided that the hotel management had been receiving threats from unknown persons for the last six months to get the US officials vacated from the hotel. However, Mr Hashwani when confronted said that there has been no threat received by the hotel management.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17445

Query:
If the steel boxes contained office and communication equipment for use by Admiral Mullen, as the US embassy spokesman claimed, why did the US Marines bring them into the hotel only after he had left? If they had been intended for his use, they would have been brought to the hotel either before he arrived or when he was still there, not after he and his colleagues had finished his talks with the Prime Minister and had left, when presumably they would be no longer needed.

[outsider]

@ Micpsi -

'A hotel employee, on condition of not being named, confided that the hotel management had been receiving threats from unknown persons for the last six months to get the US officials vacated from the hotel. However, Mr Hashwani when confronted said that there has been no threat received by the hotel management.'

Maybe it was the IRA - they generally give warnings. This threat/no threat is like the 'suitcase mini-nukes', crafted to spread dissension, a red-herring.

How many times can Al CIA-dah pull this trick, without it being obvious? Well, Jon Snow seems to be getting wise to it, so maybe they'll come up with a new trick?

[conspiracy analyst]

Casualties of another war
The Marriott bombing is terrible revenge for the Afghan campaign that has gone so badly wrong
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* Tariq Ali


The deadly blast in Islamabad was a revenge attack for what has been going on over the past few weeks in the badlands of the North-West Frontier. It highlighted the crisis confronting the new government in the wake of intensified US strikes in the tribal areas on the Afghan border.

Hellfire missiles, drones, special operation raids inside Pakistan and the resulting deaths of innocents have fuelled Pashtun nationalism. It is this spillage from the war in Afghanistan that is now destabilising Pakistan.

The de facto prime minister of the country, an unelected crony of President Zardari and now his chief adviser, Rehman Malik, said, "our enemies don't want to see democracy flourishing in the country". This was rich coming from him, but in reality it has little to do with all that. It is the consequence of a supposedly "good war" in Afghanistan that has now gone badly wrong. The director of US National Intelligence, Michael McConnell, admits as much, saying the Afghan leadership must deal with the "endemic corruption and pervasive poppy cultivation and drug trafficking" that is to blame for the rise of the neo-Taliban.

The majority of Pakistanis are opposed to the US presence in the region, viewing it as the most serious threat to peace. Why, then, has the US decided to destabilise a crucial ally? Within Pakistan, some analysts argue this is a carefully coordinated move to weaken the Pakistani state by creating a crisis that extends way beyond the frontier with Afghanistan. Its ultimate aim, they claim, would be the extraction of the Pakistani military's nuclear fangs. If this were the case, it would imply Washington was determined to break up Pakistan, since the country would not survive a disaster on that scale.

In my view, however, the expansion of the war relates far more to the Bush administration's disastrous occupation in Afghanistan. It is hardly a secret that President Karzai's regime is becoming more isolated each passing day, as Taliban guerrillas move ever closer to Kabul.

When in doubt, escalate the war, is an old imperial motto. The strikes against Pakistan represent - like the decisions of President Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, to bomb and then invade Cambodia - a desperate bid to salvage a war that was never good, but has now gone badly wrong.

It is true that those resisting the Nato occupation cross the Pakistan-Afghan border with ease. However, the US has often engaged in quiet negotiations with them. Several feelers have been put out to the Taliban in Pakistan, while US intelligence experts regularly check into the Serena hotel in Swat to meet Maulana Fazlullah, a local pro-Taliban leader.

Pashtuns in Peshawar, hitherto regarded as secular liberals, told the BBC only last week that they had lost all faith in the west. The decision to violate the country's sovereignty at will had sent them in the direction of the insurgents.

While there is much grieving for the Marriott hotel casualties, some ask why the lives of those killed by Predator drones or missile attacks are considered to be of less value. In recent weeks almost 100 innocent people have died in this fashion. No outrage and global media coverage for them.

Why was the Marriot targeted? Two explanations have surfaced in the media. The first is that there was a planned dinner for the president and his cabinet there that night, which was cancelled at the last moment.

The second, reported in the respected Pakistani English-language newspaper, Dawn, is that "a top secret operation of the US Marines [was] going on inside the Marriott when it was attacked". According to the paper: "Well-equipped security officers from the US embassy were seen on the spot soon after the explosions. However, they left the scene shortly afterwards."

The country's largest newspaper, the News, also reported on Sunday that witnesses had seen US embassy steel boxes being carried into the Marriott at night on September 17. According to the paper, the steel boxes were permitted to circumvent security scanners stationed at the hotel entrance.

Mumtaz Alam, a member of parliament, witnessed this. He wanted to leave the hotel but, owing to the heavy security, he was not permitted to leave at the time and is threatening to raise the issue in parliament.

These may be the motivations for this particular attack, but behind it all is the shadow of an expanding war.

· Tariq Ali's latest book is The Duel: Pakistan On the Flight Path of American Power

tariqali3@btinternet.com