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| TonyGosling wrote: | I didn't see how Arabesque's post added anything, as it was so one sided. And still don't. It is as one sided as an anonymous hit piece.
Kevin Barrett is clearly 99% putting his life on the line for 9/11 Truth so I asked you to explain why you thought it worth having a pot shot at him in your own words Gareth.
The way you've personalised this is hardly calculated to build trust. Most tiresome. |
I'm behind Tony 100% on this thread. "Arabesque" is not putting his life on the line for 9/11 Truth, Dr. Kevin Barrett is. According to google news analysis, Dr. Barrett generates more visibility for 9/11 Truth than anyone else, more than Griffin, more than Steven Jones, more than Alex Jones, more than everybody. That's because Barrett is a go-getter, not afraid, he knows he has strength in numbers. I looked over Barrett's website, and he has great links:
9/11 Information Sites
Architects & Engineers/ae911truth.org
9/11 Blogger
9/11 Research
911truth.org
* The Kean Commission
Global Research
PatriotsQuestion911.com
Physics911.net
Physics 9/11: SPINE
Pilotsfor911truth.org
9/11 Scholars Sites
Terror Timeline
WTC 7 by Jim Hoffman
Loose Change 9/11 by Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas, and Korey Rowe
9/11 Independent Commission by the Family Steering Committee
Libertarians for Justice
Activism Sites
Activism Resources
March on Ottawa 2008
11th of Every Month Actions
Partnering with the Vs
Grassroots Contacts
911blogger Activism Page
9/11 DVD Project
9/11 Truth Squads
9/11 Yard Signs
Friends of Article V Convention
9/11 Polls
Press TV/Zogby International Poll Results
74.1% of Libertarians are LIHOP
Zogby Poll: 51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks; Over 30% Seek Immediate Impeachment
67% also fault 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7
A Wisconsin lawmaker says that a part-time UW instructor should be fired for his views that the U.S. government was behind 9/11. What do you think?
Americans Question Bush on 9/11 Intelligence
Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy
Zogby Special Feature
A WORD ABOUT OUR POLL OF AMERICAN THINKING TOWARD THE 9/11 TERRORIST ATTACKS
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/
9/11 Related Articles
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/libertarian.htm#9/11
9/11 Mini-videos
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/libertarian.htm#9/11_Mini
9/11 Movies
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/libertarian.htm#9/11_Movies
9/11 Movies on the WTC
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/libertarian.htm#WTC
9/11 Speeches
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/libertarian.htm#9/11_Speeches
9/11 Books by Dr. David Ray Griffin
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/libertarian.htm#9/11_Books
Other 9/11 Books
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/libertarian.htm#Other_9/11
Barrett is clearly promoting the strongest 9/11 Truth evidence and the top 9/11 Truth researchers. Critics like "Arabesque" claim otherwise, but if "Arabesque" is correct, then Barrett is a bad promoter as he's not promoting what he's promoting on his website, which contradicts what everone agrees about Barrett that he is good at promoting what he wants to promote. Barrett also focuses on 9/11 polls, which are very important in public persuassion.
"Arabesque", on the other hand (we don't know who he/she/it is, he/she/it could be a child molester or Axe murderer for all we know), mostly spends his time digging up dirt on the top 9/11 Truth leaders, and then has the "info" fed to republican political operatives and/or other supporters of the 9/11 Myth. Most republicans in the Midwest now turn to "Arabesque's" blog for dirt on Barrett, for example, but they also can get dirt from Arabesque on David Griffin and Alex Jones as well.
"Arabesque" also promotes bogus "disinfo agent" theories. From what "Arabesque" would have you believe, anyone who doesn't agree with him/her/it is not sincere; instead, if you disagree with "Arabesque", you are a "disinfo agent" bent on "discrediting" the 9/11 Truth movement.
But the reality is, nothing hurts the 9/11 Truth movement more than paranoid "disinfo" theories, which lead to infighting, name-calling, and slander. "Arabesque" has been peddling his/her/it bogus "disinfo theories", and sadly, many believe them.
I call on everyone here at the 9/11 Forum to reject "disinfo agent" theories. The MSM does not need "disinfo agents". They hold down the truth by ignoring 9/11 Truth 90% of the time, attacking it 9% of the time, and "debunking" it 1% of the time.
There aren't any "disinfo agents" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Not even "Arabesque" is a "disinfo agent". We only have some who are misguided on some or many issues, which is natural for any pioneering study when discovering new truths about the world. |
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| James Madison wrote: | "Arabesque" also promotes bogus "disinfo agent" theories. From what "Arabesque" would have you believe, anyone who doesn't agree with him/her/it is not sincere; instead, if you disagree with "Arabesque", you are a "disinfo agent" bent on "discrediting" the 9/11 Truth movement.
But the reality is, nothing hurts the 9/11 Truth movement more than paranoid "disinfo" theories, which lead to infighting, name-calling, and slander. "Arabesque" has been peddling his/her/it bogus "disinfo theories", and sadly, many believe them.
I call on everyone here at the 9/11 Forum to reject "disinfo agent" theories. The MSM does not need "disinfo agents". They hold down the truth by ignoring 9/11 Truth 90% of the time, attacking it 9% of the time, and "debunking" it 1% of the time.
There aren't any "disinfo agents" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Not even "Arabesque" is a "disinfo agent". We only have some who are misguided on some or many issues, which is natural for any pioneering study when discovering new truths about the world. |
Wow, that's pretty impressive. 8 uses of the term "disinfo". 6 of "disinfo agent".
Could you provide any evidence of a single occasion where Arabesque has ever accused anyone of being a "disinfo agent"?
Could you provide any evidence of Arabesque "peddling his/her/it bogus "disinfo theories""? or that he "promotes bogus "disinfo agent" theories"?
Lets be clear here. Arabesque wrote an article, which i linked to, almost entirely made up of Kevin Barretts own words with the following intro:
| Arabesque wrote: | | Kevin Barrett is a prominent 9/11 activist. While he has significantly contributed awareness for the 9/11 truth movement, he has also damaged its credibility with damaging associations, discrediting theories, and controversial statements. |
The only talk of "agents" is coming from yourself, Tony Gosling and Kevin Barrett.
Whats Kev been up to recently...?
| Quote: | Congressional candidate faces charge
By Brian D. Bridgeford / News Republic
A Libertarian Party candidate for Congress who charges the World Trade Towers were destroyed by government explosives, not hijacked planes, faces disorderly conduct charges after a domestic incident last week.
His wife has asked for domestic and child abuse restraining orders against him because she fears she is in danger of physical harm and their children are at risk of physical and emotional harm.
Kevin J. Barrett, 49, of rural Spring Green appeared in Sauk County Circuit Court on Friday on a misdemeanor count of disorderly conduct. If he is convicted, the charge carries a maximum penalty of 90 days jail time and a $1,000 fine.
On Sept. 10, a Sauk County detective wrote in a report that he spoke with Barrett's wife and she described an incident that took place the day before, according to court records. Barrett's wife said about 8 a.m., the couple's 13-year-old son told their 11-year-old boy to turn down the TV. Barrett was in bed, became upset because he was trying to sleep and ran out of the bedroom with his fist raised, saying "That's it," according to court records.
The wife said Barrett struck the older boy on his back and she saw marks there, according to the records.
The detective interviewed the boy, who said his father hit him on the back several times, records show.
In petitions for a restraining order that would prevent Barrett from having contact with herself or the two boys, Barrett's wife claims she is in "imminent danger of physical harm."
In the past month, Barrett has been getting angry frequently and has grabbed her arm and hair, causing her pain, her petition states. Barrett has shown a history of abusive and threatening behavior over the years, she says.
For example, in a conversation about Barrett's brother and his ex-wife, Barrett made comments along the lines that he would have shot the woman and the judge should have given his brother a knife to kill her, Barrett's wife states.
In July 2005, Barrett's wife alleges Barrett pulled her to the floor and tried to smash her head against floor tiles. Barrett's abusive words and actions were at times witnessed by their children, his wife states in the petition.
In 2005, Barrett's wife filed for restraining orders against him in both Sauk and Dane counties. She also began divorce proceedings in Dane County court, but the case was dismissed a month later.
During the Sept. 9 primary election, Barrett won the Libertarian Party nomination to challenge incumbent District 3 U.S. Congressman Ron Kind of La Crosse. He received 332 votes, Ben Olson III of Wisconsin Dells got 227. National Libertarian Party officials have condemned Barrett as being unrepresentative of their views.
Barrett first came to public attention in 2006 when he taught a class at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in which he expressed skepticism about whether Osama bin Laden and 19 hijackers were responsible for the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
During an August interview with Wisconsin Public Radio, Barrett said it was impossible the planes could have been hijacked and flown into the World Trade Towers and Pentagon without being intercepted. Instead, he said the buildings were destroyed by explosives and U.S. government officials are responsible.
Efforts to reach Barrett by phone Monday afternoon were unsuccessful and he did not return an e-mail message sent to his campaign Web site.
Barrett is due in court Thursday for a hearing on whether the court should impose a restraining order against him on behalf of his wife and children.
His next hearing on the disorderly conduct charge is Oct. 16.
http://www.wiscnews.com/bnr/news/305050
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| gareth wrote: | | James Madison wrote: | "Arabesque" also promotes bogus "disinfo agent" theories. From what "Arabesque" would have you believe, anyone who doesn't agree with him/her/it is not sincere; instead, if you disagree with "Arabesque", you are a "disinfo agent" bent on "discrediting" the 9/11 Truth movement.
But the reality is, nothing hurts the 9/11 Truth movement more than paranoid "disinfo" theories, which lead to infighting, name-calling, and slander. "Arabesque" has been peddling his/her/it bogus "disinfo theories", and sadly, many believe them.
I call on everyone here at the 9/11 Forum to reject "disinfo agent" theories. The MSM does not need "disinfo agents". They hold down the truth by ignoring 9/11 Truth 90% of the time, attacking it 9% of the time, and "debunking" it 1% of the time.
There aren't any "disinfo agents" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Not even "Arabesque" is a "disinfo agent". We only have some who are misguided on some or many issues, which is natural for any pioneering study when discovering new truths about the world. |
Wow, that's pretty impressive. 8 uses of the term "disinfo". 6 of "disinfo agent".
Could you provide any evidence of a single occasion where Arabesque has ever accused anyone of being a "disinfo agent"?
Could you provide any evidence of Arabesque "peddling his/her/it bogus "disinfo theories""? or that he "promotes bogus "disinfo agent" theories"?
Lets be clear here. Arabesque wrote an article, which i linked to, almost entirely made up of Kevin Barretts own words with the following intro
| Quote: | | Kevin Barrett is a prominent 9/11 activist. While he has significantly contributed awareness for the 9/11 truth movement, he has also damaged its credibility with damaging associations, discrediting theories, and controversial statements. |
The only talk of "agents" is coming from yourself, Tony Gosling and Kevin Barrett.
Whats Kev been up to recently...?
| Quote: | Congressional candidate faces charge
By Brian D. Bridgeford / News Republic
A Libertarian Party candidate for Congress who charges the World Trade Towers were destroyed by government explosives, not hijacked planes, faces disorderly conduct charges after a domestic incident last week.
His wife has asked for domestic and child abuse restraining orders against him because she fears she is in danger of physical harm and their children are at risk of physical and emotional harm.
Kevin J. Barrett, 49, of rural Spring Green appeared in Sauk County Circuit Court on Friday on a misdemeanor count of disorderly conduct. If he is convicted, the charge carries a maximum penalty of 90 days jail time and a $1,000 fine.
On Sept. 10, a Sauk County detective wrote in a report that he spoke with Barrett's wife and she described an incident that took place the day before, according to court records. Barrett's wife said about 8 a.m., the couple's 13-year-old son told their 11-year-old boy to turn down the TV. Barrett was in bed, became upset because he was trying to sleep and ran out of the bedroom with his fist raised, saying "That's it," according to court records.
The wife said Barrett struck the older boy on his back and she saw marks there, according to the records.
The detective interviewed the boy, who said his father hit him on the back several times, records show.
In petitions for a restraining order that would prevent Barrett from having contact with herself or the two boys, Barrett's wife claims she is in "imminent danger of physical harm."
In the past month, Barrett has been getting angry frequently and has grabbed her arm and hair, causing her pain, her petition states. Barrett has shown a history of abusive and threatening behavior over the years, she says.
For example, in a conversation about Barrett's brother and his ex-wife, Barrett made comments along the lines that he would have shot the woman and the judge should have given his brother a knife to kill her, Barrett's wife states.
In July 2005, Barrett's wife alleges Barrett pulled her to the floor and tried to smash her head against floor tiles. Barrett's abusive words and actions were at times witnessed by their children, his wife states in the petition.
In 2005, Barrett's wife filed for restraining orders against him in both Sauk and Dane counties. She also began divorce proceedings in Dane County court, but the case was dismissed a month later.
During the Sept. 9 primary election, Barrett won the Libertarian Party nomination to challenge incumbent District 3 U.S. Congressman Ron Kind of La Crosse. He received 332 votes, Ben Olson III of Wisconsin Dells got 227. National Libertarian Party officials have condemned Barrett as being unrepresentative of their views.
Barrett first came to public attention in 2006 when he taught a class at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in which he expressed skepticism about whether Osama bin Laden and 19 hijackers were responsible for the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
During an August interview with Wisconsin Public Radio, Barrett said it was impossible the planes could have been hijacked and flown into the World Trade Towers and Pentagon without being intercepted. Instead, he said the buildings were destroyed by explosives and U.S. government officials are responsible.
Efforts to reach Barrett by phone Monday afternoon were unsuccessful and he did not return an e-mail message sent to his campaign Web site.
Barrett is due in court Thursday for a hearing on whether the court should impose a restraining order against him on behalf of his wife and children.
His next hearing on the disorderly conduct charge is Oct. 16.
http://www.wiscnews.com/bnr/news/305050
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"Arabesque" can barely make a post these days without mentioning the word "disinfo" or "disinformation". He doesn't always state the word "agent", but since "disinfo" is intentional, it implies an "agent" for its propagation.
I also see you have jumped on the 9/11 Truth dirt and mudslinging bandwagon. Congrats.
Dr. Barrett is one of the world's most recognized 9/11 Truth leaders. He also has a 100% clean criminal record. He has never been convicted of a crime.
You could have posted some dirt about these people who promote the 9/11 Myth and defend mass murder:
Jack Abramoff scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff_scandals
Dick Cheney hunting incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident
Larry Craig arrest and consequences
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig
Tom DeLay campaign finance investigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLay_corruption_investigation
Alberto Gonzalez Controversies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Gonzales
Mark Foley scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_Scandal
United States v. Scooter Libby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._LibbyLibby
Ted Stevens Indictment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens
Bob Ney Withdrawal from race and guilty plea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ney
Duke Cunningham Scandals and corruption
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Cunningham
Your true colors shine clear.
PS
You also forget to mention this in your scum throwing:
Judge drops restraining order against 3rd Congressional District candidate
"A judge has dropped a restraining order which prevented Libertarian House candidate Kevin Barrett from seeing his 11- and 13-year-old sons."
http://www.riverfallsjournal.com/articles/index.cfm?id=88786&freebie_c heck&CFID=89227602&CFTOKEN=19624714&jsessionid=8830eb30dfa11a7d4a3d
In other words, Dr. Barrett never hit his son, so therefore, should never have been arrested.
So Barrett is left with a petty "disorderly conduct" charge that will probably be thrown out soon as well. Mind you, Barrett was not out in public yelling and screaming, he was at home sleeping at 8 A.M. when all this happened. His kids and wife were up arguing about the TV and woke Barrett. Do you really think a simple family argument (out in the country, no less, Barrett lives in a cabin in the woods) about a TV show should involve the police? This is the kind of bs that keeps most people afraid to run for public office or speak out about 9/11 Truth.
Barrett also opposes disorderly conduct, which you also forgot to mention:
Kevin Barrett Campaign: Statement re: Alleged disorderly conduct charge
"Dr. Barrett opposes disorderly conduct."
http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=136143
And one last thing.
Dr. Barrett just commissioned a poll and found that 22% of the voters in his district think 9/11 might be an inside job.
Kevin Barrett Campaign: Poll: 22% in Ron Kind’s district think 9/11 might be an inside job
"22% of the people living households with two registered voters in Ron Kind’s congressional district (3rd district, Wisconsin) think 9/11 might be an inside job, according to a scientific poll released today. The poll was conducted by Voice Broadcasting, Inc. out of Arlington, Texas, and was commissioned by the Kevin Barrett for congress campaign."
http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=136321
What do you think these people are going to do? If someone thinks 9/11 is mass murder or might be mass murder, do you think they will give a rats ass if someone with a clean record got caught up in disorderly conduct case? I doubt it.
FULL BARRETT STATEMENT
Kevin Barrett Campaign: Statement re: Alleged disorderly conduct charge
9/16/2008
Rolf Lindgren
608-279-5889
Dr. Barrett's wife has been jealous that Congressman Ron Kind has been getting more media attention than Kevin.
This allegation appears to be some sort of bizarre publicity stunt cooked up by Dr. Barrett's wife. Dr. Barrett's wife claims this alleged event occurred at 8 A.M. on Tuesday, September 9, just as the polls for the Libertarian primary opened.
After Dr. Barrett was declared the winner Wednesday morning, September 10, she made the accusations in a strange attempt to shine more media spotlight on Kevin. She was hoping the accusations would make the news on Thursday, September 11, the 7th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks that killed 3000 people.
Dr. Barrett's wife actually left her home on the day of Tuesday, September 9, and waited at an unknown location until she heard the election returns on Wednesday.
When Dr. Barrett is cleared, he will be hailed as a hero who beat the system. We hope the media does not fall for this cheap publicity stunt by Dr. Barrett's wife.
Dr. Barrett opposes disorderly conduct. There is nothing to these charges and they will be cleared up soon.
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| James Madison wrote: | | "Arabesque" can barely make a post these days without mentioning the word "disinfo" or "disinformation". |
If you note the top right of his blog....
| Quote: | | A Blog Devoted to Discussing 9/11 News, Research, and Disinformation |
But i also agree with his point here...
| James Madison wrote: | | He doesn't always state the word "agent", but since "disinfo" is intentional, it implies an "agent" for its propagation. |
Arabesque, despite your claims, has never called anyone an "agent". Furthermore just because he chooses to discuss disinformation doesn't mean those he discusses in relation to it are by implication "agents". Again this sort of language is coming entirely from you and not the other way round.
| James Madison wrote: | | I also see you have jumped on the 9/11 Truth dirt and mudslinging bandwagon. Congrats. |
I have mixed feelings posting that article, especially because it involves children, but i firmly believe the 911 Truth Movement should distance itself from people who repeatedly damage its reputation.
"James Madison" can i suggest that if you want to allege anything about Arabesque that you sign up to the truthaction.org forum and do so there. I feel very uncomfortable defending him and his work when he does it so extraordinarily well himself. Perhaps you can join this thread and make your feelings known?
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| gareth wrote: | | James Madison wrote: | | "Arabesque" can barely make a post these days without mentioning the word "disinfo" or "disinformation". |
If you note the top right of his blog....
| Quote: | | A Blog Devoted to Discussing 9/11 News, Research, and Disinformation |
But i also agree with his point here...
| James Madison wrote: | | He doesn't always state the word "agent", but since "disinfo" is intentional, it implies an "agent" for its propagation. |
Arabesque, despite your claims, has never called anyone an "agent". Furthermore just because he chooses to discuss disinformation doesn't mean those he discusses in relation to it are by implication "agents". Again this sort of language is coming entirely from you and not the other way round.
| James Madison wrote: | | I also see you have jumped on the 9/11 Truth dirt and mudslinging bandwagon. Congrats. |
I have mixed feelings posting that article, especially because it involves children, but i firmly believe the 911 Truth Movement should distance itself from people who repeatedly damage its reputation.
"James Madison" can i suggest that if you want to allege anything about Arabesque that you sign up to the truthaction.org forum and do so there. I feel very uncomfortable defending him and his work when he does it so extraordinarily well himself. Perhaps you can join this thread and make your feelings known? |
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As you can see, Arabesque spends a LOT of time talking about "disinformation", "disinfo", "disinformation agents", "COINTEL", all nauseous terms that are guaranteed to revolt any newcomer to the 9/11 Truth movement. 9/11 Truth seekers want to know what happened on 9/11, not Arabesque's latest grotesque "disinfo" theories. Yuck!
Worse than that, Arabesque's theories are wrong and harmfull to the 9/11 Truth movement. "Disinfo" theories breed parnoia. A lot of people in the 9/11 Truth movement are already a little paranoid about the government, and Arabesque just adds fuel to the fire.
There isn't ANY "disinformation" being spread by 9/11 Truth activists. Some activists spread misinformation, but thses are innocent mistakes by zealous opponents of the Bush administration. A lot of people get hung up on their own theroies, it happens all the time in academia in every field.
Disinformation about 9/11 is spread by the federal government and by the mass media. For something to be disinformation, the source must not be able to be verified independently.
For the most part, most statements about 9/11 made initially by the governent were not checkable or very hard to check. As time has gone by, much government/MSM disinformation has been exposed generally through contradiction. In other words, we know about the disinformation indirectly only because other information or disinformation is not consistent.
In much fewer cases to we have direct proof of disinformation.
And in the 9./11 Truth movement, we have very few sources of information. A few include the testimony of Willie Rodriguez, Barry Jennings, and reports by Daniel Hopsicker.
If these people, for example, told us deliberate lies, then that would be disinformation. Of course, we all in the 9/11 Truth movement know they are telling the truth.
Another good example of someone who does NOT spread disinformation is Jim Fetzer. Fetzer does not have any information at all. He is not a witness, nor has he done exclusive reporting with witnesses.
All Fetzer provides is bad analysis in most cases. Bad analysis does not help the 9/11 Truth movement, but nor does it hurt it. Very few if any credible 9/11 Truth leaders buy into the nonsense peddled by Fetzer.
By way of analolgy, most scientific research, especially in groundbreaking cases, is filled with much bad analysis. But the few good, or brilliant analysis ideas that are hit upon, are what carries the day.
If you go back and look at all the wacky theories put forward in the beginning of the scientific revolution, you'd see what I meant. Many of these ideas were totally ridiculous.
The same goes for the phase we are in now with 9/11 Truth. We have come to some solid conclusions, but still don't really know how Bush & company pulled it off.
Presenting plausible theories is very important to advance 9/11 Truth. Just ask any prosecutor. In criminal prsecutions, the prosecutor always starts with a few important facts, then contructs a theory around it. People on the jury won't believe the defendent is guilty unless the prosecutor tells them a story about what happened that makes sense.
In the same way, 9/11 Truth seekers need to keep brainstorming until we can find as many plausible ways 9/11 could have happened. We also need to show others the facts that disprove other theories so we can focus on the best evidence and the best theories. |
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| gareth wrote: | | "James Madison" can i suggest that if you want to allege anything about Arabesque that you sign up to the truthaction.org forum and do so there. I feel very uncomfortable defending him and his work when he does it so extraordinarily well himself. Perhaps you can join this thread and make your feelings known? |
"James Madison", i did mention you might be paying a visit but it seems you (and your specific language) are already well known...
Oops! 
http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21584#21584
| Arabesque wrote: | | g wrote: | Sorry but it kicked off again over on 911forum.org.uk.
| James Madison pretending he's not really Rolf Lindgren, Barrett's PR manager wrote: | "Arabesque" also promotes bogus "disinfo agent" theories. From what "Arabesque" would have you believe, anyone who doesn't agree with him/her/it is not sincere; instead, if you disagree with "Arabesque", you are a "disinfo agent" bent on "discrediting" the 9/11 Truth movement.
But the reality is, nothing hurts the 9/11 Truth movement more than paranoid "disinfo" theories, which lead to infighting, name-calling, and slander. "Arabesque" has been peddling his/her/it bogus "disinfo theories", and sadly, many believe them.
I call on everyone here at the 9/11 Forum to reject "disinfo agent" theories. The MSM does not need "disinfo agents". They hold down the truth by ignoring 9/11 Truth 90% of the time, attacking it 9% of the time, and "debunking" it 1% of the time.
There aren't any "disinfo agents" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Not even "Arabesque" is a "disinfo agent". We only have some who are misguided on some or many issues, which is natural for any pioneering study when discovering new truths about the world. |
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=125836#125836
I've requested "James Madison" comes over here to settle his grievances. |
Don't bother!
This sounds like Rolf Lindgren who is Barrett's PR manager (who has made statements that sound exactly like this). He'll find that his account has already been banned. I could be wrong and it's someone else claiming that there are "no disinfo agents" in the 9/11 truth movement, but... I'm willing to bet it's him.
| Via email, Rolf Lindgren wrote: | If you want to give normal people the creeps and the willies, then go ahead and start posting messages with the words "disinformation", "agent", "shill", "troll", provocateur", or "mole". It is guaranteed to scare off most anyone but the most conspiratorial. But the most conspiratorial already agree with us that 9/11 was an inside job.
These bogus "disinfo" theories are insane and people who have been duped into believing them ususally end up calling other 9/11 Truth Activists "disinfo agents". There aren't any "disinfo agents" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Not one. Nor is there any 9/11 Truth activist spreading disinformation. At worst, some are spreading some misinformation. And the worst misinformation are these paranoid "disinfo" theories.
[Redacted], you're a good man and you've been duped by Arabesque and Victoria Ashley.
Sincerely,
Rolf Lindgren |
Well here's another piece of evidence:
| Quote: | Rolf Lindgren
Defender of Dr. Kevin Barrett
Defender of Dr. Bruce Ivins
Defender of Galileo
Defender of James Madison
Defender of Giordano Bruno |
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-low-barretts-pr-represent ative-rolf.html
Again, I stress that we should avoid calling people agents and focus on claims, behavior, and information. The points above are obvious distortions.
I talk about accusations in one of my articles below. I have an interesting discussion of this subject and how accusations are used in the 9/11 truth movement. As I point out, if you see a claim and it is NOT supported by documentation, then you should not accept it as true at face value.
If you can find ANY examples of me claiming specific individuals "disinformation agents" anywhere on my blog or elsewhere, I will apologize and retract them. I stress analysis of information, not speculation.
I recommend my essays here. You will note I make no accusations about specific individuals being an "agent".
As soon as I have concrete proof, I'll let you know.
9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples
An Open Letter about the Subject of Disinformation and Disruption within the 9/11 Truth Movement
9/11 Truth and Division: Disinformation, Agent Provocateurs, and False Adversaries
The Kennebunkport Warning Controversy: A Study in Divisive Accusations, Insults, and Ad-Hominem Attacks
Jim Hoffman:
| Quote: | Statement of Support
I know something about 3 of Tarpley's accused ... I support...
Arabesque
A thoughtful, painstaking researcher.
Examines the disinformation muddying 9/11 research
(to shows its workings, not label individuals.)
Site: Arabesque911.blogspot.com |
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/911mysteries/support.html |
So "Rolf Lindgren" or "James Madison" i've got better things to be doing with my time. I'm not listening.
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| gareth wrote: | | gareth wrote: | | "James Madison" can i suggest that if you want to allege anything about Arabesque that you sign up to the truthaction.org forum and do so there. I feel very uncomfortable defending him and his work when he does it so extraordinarily well himself. Perhaps you can join this thread and make your feelings known? |
"James Madison", i did mention you might be paying a visit but it seems you (and your specific language) are already well known...
Oops!
http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21584#21584
| Arabesque wrote: | | g wrote: | Sorry but it kicked off again over on 911forum.org.uk.
| James Madison pretending he's not really Rolf Lindgren, Barrett's PR manager wrote: | "Arabesque" also promotes bogus "disinfo agent" theories. From what "Arabesque" would have you believe, anyone who doesn't agree with him/her/it is not sincere; instead, if you disagree with "Arabesque", you are a "disinfo agent" bent on "discrediting" the 9/11 Truth movement.
But the reality is, nothing hurts the 9/11 Truth movement more than paranoid "disinfo" theories, which lead to infighting, name-calling, and slander. "Arabesque" has been peddling his/her/it bogus "disinfo theories", and sadly, many believe them.
I call on everyone here at the 9/11 Forum to reject "disinfo agent" theories. The MSM does not need "disinfo agents". They hold down the truth by ignoring 9/11 Truth 90% of the time, attacking it 9% of the time, and "debunking" it 1% of the time.
There aren't any "disinfo agents" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Not even "Arabesque" is a "disinfo agent". We only have some who are misguided on some or many issues, which is natural for any pioneering study when discovering new truths about the world. |
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=125836#125836
I've requested "James Madison" comes over here to settle his grievances. |
Don't bother!
This sounds like Rolf Lindgren who is Barrett's PR manager (who has made statements that sound exactly like this). He'll find that his account has already been banned. I could be wrong and it's someone else claiming that there are "no disinfo agents" in the 9/11 truth movement, but... I'm willing to bet it's him.
| Via email, Rolf Lindgren wrote: | If you want to give normal people the creeps and the willies, then go ahead and start posting messages with the words "disinformation", "agent", "shill", "troll", provocateur", or "mole". It is guaranteed to scare off most anyone but the most conspiratorial. But the most conspiratorial already agree with us that 9/11 was an inside job.
These bogus "disinfo" theories are insane and people who have been duped into believing them ususally end up calling other 9/11 Truth Activists "disinfo agents". There aren't any "disinfo agents" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Not one. Nor is there any 9/11 Truth activist spreading disinformation. At worst, some are spreading some misinformation. And the worst misinformation are these paranoid "disinfo" theories.
[Redacted], you're a good man and you've been duped by Arabesque and Victoria Ashley.
Sincerely,
Rolf Lindgren |
Well here's another piece of evidence:
| Quote: | Rolf Lindgren
Defender of Dr. Kevin Barrett
Defender of Dr. Bruce Ivins
Defender of Galileo
Defender of James Madison
Defender of Giordano Bruno |
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-low-barretts-pr-represent ative-rolf.html
Again, I stress that we should avoid calling people agents and focus on claims, behavior, and information. The points above are obvious distortions.
I talk about accusations in one of my articles below. I have an interesting discussion of this subject and how accusations are used in the 9/11 truth movement. As I point out, if you see a claim and it is NOT supported by documentation, then you should not accept it as true at face value.
If you can find ANY examples of me claiming specific individuals "disinformation agents" anywhere on my blog or elsewhere, I will apologize and retract them. I stress analysis of information, not speculation.
I recommend my essays here. You will note I make no accusations about specific individuals being an "agent".
As soon as I have concrete proof, I'll let you know.
9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples
An Open Letter about the Subject of Disinformation and Disruption within the 9/11 Truth Movement
9/11 Truth and Division: Disinformation, Agent Provocateurs, and False Adversaries
The Kennebunkport Warning Controversy: A Study in Divisive Accusations, Insults, and Ad-Hominem Attacks
Jim Hoffman:
| Quote: | Statement of Support
I know something about 3 of Tarpley's accused ... I support...
Arabesque
A thoughtful, painstaking researcher.
Examines the disinformation muddying 9/11 research
(to shows its workings, not label individuals.)
Site: Arabesque911.blogspot.com |
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/911mysteries/support.html |
So "Rolf Lindgren" or "James Madison" i've got better things to be doing with my time. I'm not listening. |
Of course you don't listen. You certainly don't want to discuss the baloney you spread about "disinformation" with an opponent of no-planes theories, because your theory is dead-wrong.
Disinformation about 9/11 comes from the Bush administration, the FBI, the CIA, and the mass media, not from eager 9/11 Truth activists.
You and your followers over at truthaction.org have not identified one single "disinfo agent" in the 9/11 Truth movement. Nor have you identified a single 9/11 Truth activist or leader who spreads "disinfo" (as opposed to misinfo). We already know there is plenty of misinformation going around, but a lot less than two years ago.
That's because, as people debate the issues, we get closer to the truth.
Now is the time to get closer to the truth about what "disinfo" really is and what it is not. Every time you throw out the term "disinfo" to describe people in the 9/11 truth movement, you insult brand new people in the movement. Brand new people may very well believe misinformation at first. They'll get around to the truth, if they haven't been insulted as a spreader of "disinfo" first.
What new 9/11 Truth seeker would want to post comments anywhere? They'd be liable for attack from the truthaction police for mis-statments. If someone is in error about 9/11 facts, better to link to the correct facts rather, than label people and claim they have "disinfo" agenda.
Go ahead, name a 9/11 Truth activist who is is a "disinfo agent", "COINTEL", or spreads "disinformation. Name one.
I'm ready to name dozens of disinformation sources from the government and mass media when you're ready. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: REAL 9/11 DISINFO! |
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REAL 9/11 DISINFO!
9/11 mastermind takes lead role in Gitmo courtroom
By MIKE MELIA, Associated Press Writer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/guantanamo_sept1 1_trial
Yea, sure he's the mastermind.
This is real "disinfo". The statement (headline) is based on "sources" that cannot be independently verified. And it is being propagated all over the world by the mass media. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Ventura endorsed 9/11 Truther is Wisconsin candidate |
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| scienceplease wrote: | Another outing of 9/11 truth in the MSM "Ventura endorses 9-11 conspiracy theorist" in Minniapolis Star Tribune
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/27869284.html
There is a lively debate section, favorable of Ventura
| Quote: | Ventura endorses 9-11 conspiracy theorist
Associated Press
Last update: September 4, 2008 - 4:24 PM
MADISON, Wis. - Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura has endorsed a Sept. 11 conspiracy theorist for a congressional seat.
Ventura came out Thursday in support of Kevin Barrett, a Libertarian running against incumbent Democrat Ron Kind for western Wisconsin's seat.
Barrett is a former University of Wisconsin-Madison lecturer who believes the U.S. government was behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and has discussed his views in class.
Ventura is a former professional wrestler. He served one term after being elected Minnesota's governor in 1998 as a third-party candidate. |
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I notice that this thread is about Jesse Ventura endorsing the Kevin Barrett campaign.
www.barrettforcongress.us
I wonder how it morphed into a series of attacks on Kevin? The Ventura endorsement is huge! No one else in the Truth movement has ever scored anything like that.
Don't hold you breath, but I'm not expecting Ventura to endorse "Arabesque" any time soon, nor Arabesque's "disnfo" theories.
Jesse "The Mind" Ventura has a lot of common sense. So does Dr. Barrett.
Go Kevin go and go Jesse go! |
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I tend to trust no one in this movement but myself, not that I'd like to get in the way of someone like Kevin or spread theories about his intentions, after all they will come clear given time.
I think you have to take everything with a pinch of salt but be wary that treachery may manifest itself at anytime, after all we are tapping into the elites power-base and anyone is a potential target for taking bribes 
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I've never had a problem with Barrett tbh - but I hadn't realised that he'd made those "nico haupt style" comments about Amy Goodman.
| Quote: | | "Amy [Goodman], you will one day find yourself on the scaffold, condemned to hang alongside the other Goebbels-style traitors and mass-murder-coverup-conspirators from the corporate media you pretend to criticize… I stand by the opinion that the support Amy Goodman has given to the worst blood libel in human history, and her ensuing participation in the murder of over a million people in Iraq, Afghanistan and the USA, constitutes complicity in high treason, mass murder, war crimes, and other crimes against humanity." |
this is the sort of thing I'd expect from one of the more deranged sockpuppets that populate killtown's forum, not from a rational human being. If true, it is utterly appalling and indefensible. period.
I don't agree with a lot of what Webster Tarpley says these days, but I'd never suggest that he deserves to be put to death for complicty in Russia's genocidal war against Chechnya, the FSB's false flag terror that killed hundreds of innocent people in Moscow etc etc - just because he's one of Russia's most vocal and uncritical cheerleaders.
and while Barrett might not be a full on reality-denying, tv fakery believing, space beaming holocaust denier - if he has decided to state in public that he is open to all these beliefs, then he should accept that somebody might want to question him about how far he buys into them.
seems fair enough to me.
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| gruts wrote: | I've never had a problem with Barrett tbh - but I hadn't realised that he'd made those "nico haupt style" comments about Amy Goodman.
| Quote: | | "Amy [Goodman], you will one day find yourself on the scaffold, condemned to hang alongside the other Goebbels-style traitors and mass-murder-coverup-conspirators from the corporate media you pretend to criticize… I stand by the opinion that the support Amy Goodman has given to the worst blood libel in human history, and her ensuing participation in the murder of over a million people in Iraq, Afghanistan and the USA, constitutes complicity in high treason, mass murder, war crimes, and other crimes against humanity." |
this is the sort of thing I'd expect from one of the more deranged sockpuppets that populate killtown's forum, not from a rational human being. If true, it is utterly appalling and indefensible. period.
I don't agree with a lot of what Webster Tarpley says these days, but I'd never suggest that he deserves to be put to death for complicty in Russia's genocidal war against Chechnya, the FSB's false flag terror that killed hundreds of innocent people in Moscow etc etc - just because he's one of Russia's most vocal and uncritical cheerleaders.
and while Barrett might not be a full on reality-denying, tv fakery believing, space beaming holocaust denier - if he has decided to state in public that he is open to all these beliefs, then he should accept that somebody might want to question him about how far he buys into them.
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Kevin Barrett has apologized to Amy Goodman regarding that comment, and Amy has accepted the apology. Kevin and Amy are on good terms.
Since that comment was made, Amy has been more open to promoting the 9/11 Truth movement.
Whoever posted the comment is not trying to help the 9/11 Truth movement. |
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Charges against Libertarian candidate for Congress dropped
September 23rd, 2008 · 8 Comments
After being arrested on September 9, and accused of hitting his son, a judge found Kevin Barrett innocent. Barrett is running for Congress in Wisconsin’s 3rd district. The judge told Barrett to continue staying away from his wife, although the restraining orders for his 11- and 13-year-old sons were dropped. Another hearing will be held on October 16th for disorderly conduct charges.
While this was going on, Barrett did have some good news for his campaign. A poll conducted by his campaign found that 22% of the residents in the 3rd district believe that 9/11 might be an inside job, which is the centerpiece of Barrett’s run.
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| James Madison wrote: | | Kevin Barrett has apologized to Amy Goodman regarding that comment, and Amy has accepted the apology. Kevin and Amy are on good terms. |
That's nice to know - do you have a source for this?
| James Madison wrote: | | Since that comment was made, Amy has been more open to promoting the 9/11 Truth movement. |
are you trying to say that barrett's nauseating statement about hanging her as a war criminal persuaded Amy to see the light - or that there was any justification for making it in the first place?
and do you normally vote for people who go around threatening to kill people who disagree with them?
| James Madison wrote: | | Whoever posted the comment is not trying to help the 9/11 Truth movement. |
could you explain how kevin barrett associating himself with tv fakery, space beams and holocaust denial is helpful to the 9/11 truth movement?
you sound like a used car salesman who doesn't like the fact that some of us can see through your sales pitch.... 
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| gruts wrote: | | James Madison wrote: | | Kevin Barrett has apologized to Amy Goodman regarding that comment, and Amy has accepted the apology. Kevin and Amy are on good terms. |
That's nice to know - do you have a source for this?
| James Madison wrote: | | Since that comment was made, Amy has been more open to promoting the 9/11 Truth movement. |
are you trying to say that barrett's nauseating statement about hanging her as a war criminal persuaded Amy to see the light - or that there was any justification for making it in the first place?
and do you normally vote for people who go around threatening to kill people who disagree with them?
| James Madison wrote: | | Whoever posted the comment is not trying to help the 9/11 Truth movement. |
could you explain how kevin barrett associating himself with tv fakery, space beams and holocaust denial is helpful to the 9/11 truth movement?
you sound like a used car salesman who doesn't like the fact that some of us can see through your sales pitch.... |
* Dr. Barrett and Amy Goodman have been in correspondence since the incident cited. I know this from personal knowledge.
* Barrett's statement was very poorly worded which I stated to him at that time. Barrett supports Nuremburg-type war crimes trials for those who planned, carried out, or knowing aided and abetted the 9/11 terrorist attacks & its covr-up. It is possible that some journalists who are CIA assets aided and abetted the 9/11 cover-up. Barrett regrets the use of language in that letter, nobody is perfect. Obviousely, Amy Goodman is not a CIA asset. Barrett & myself deal with the mainstream news media all the time, and it can get very frustrating. We appreciate any help we can get to reduce media bias.
Barrett also opposes the death penalty, even for the 9/11 terrorists.
Abolish the Death Penalty
By Kevin Barrett
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/deathpenalty.htm
* Barrett's altercation with Amy Goodman has indeed prompted Amy Goodman to take a closer look at the 9/11 evidence. That's very good for the 9/11 Truth movement.
* Barrett does not believe in TV fakery, DEW theories, or Holocaust deniel. These theories are idiotic. None are promoted on his campaign website. The Kevin Barrett for congress campaign has never associated with any of these ideas. Rather, the Barrett campaign promotes evidence about WTC 7, controlled demolition, failure to intercept, foreknowledge, and questions of the alleged hijackers.
Barrett's campaign website links to websites, videos, and books that promote the strongest 9/11 Truth evidence, please take a look:
www.barrettforcongress.us
9/11 Information Sites
ae911truth.org
9/11 Blogger
9/11 Research
911truth.org
Global Research
PatriotsQuestion911.com
Pilotsfor911truth.org
Terror Timeline
WTC 7 by Jim Hoffman
Loose Change 9/11 by Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas, and Korey Rowe
9/11 Independent Commission by the Family Steering Committee
Libertarians for Justice
Activism Sites
Activism Resources
March on Ottawa 2008
11th of Every Month Actions
Partnering with the Vs
Grassroots Contacts
911blogger Activism Page
9/11 DVD Project
9/11 Truth Squads
9/11 Yard Signs
9/11 Polls
9/11 Related Articles
9/11 Mini-videos
9/11 Movies
9/11 Movies on the WTC
9/11 Speeches
9/11 Books by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Other 9/11 Books
Your post is quite negative in tone. You seem to be promoting the exact opposite of what Dr. Kevin Barrett wants to promote. Kevin Barrett is very good at promoting what he wants to promote. In fact, he's the best and most innovative promoter of 9/11 Truth that we have. He has raised more awareness of 9/11 Truth than any other activist in the world, according to Google News analysis.
Your post ignores the fact that Dr. Kevin Barrett just won the Libertarian primary for congress two weeks ago. A lot of people believe that 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" are crazy and that no one would vote for them.
But Barrett won with about 60% of the vote. This is right up there on the list of most outstanding positive news coverage ever generated by a 9/11 Truth activist or leader.
Barrett wins Libertarian primary race in Vernon County, Third District
http://www.westbytimes.com/articles/2008/09/11/thisjustin/09leadthis.t xt |
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my posts above may have seemed negative, but i was genuinely shocked by the comments barrett made about goodman and not particularly impressed by your initial reply.
thanks for answering my questions this time - and good luck.
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good for Alex and Kevin!
Here's a good title for the clip:
Two No-Beamer Pro-Planers Accused by One Pro-Beamer No-Planer of Accusing Pro-Beamer No-Planers of Opposing No-Beamer Pro-Planers |
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Latest post from Kevin:
Greetings, truth seekers,
Congratulations on helping defeat the 700 billion dollar Billionaire Banker Bailout Bill! For once, Congress has acted like it actually cares what the voters think.
This act of reverse-Robin-Hood-style grand larceny isn't dead yet, though. The power elite is going to pull out all the stops to push it through, so we need to make sure the wave of opposition keeps growing. Here is my latest press release:
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Barrett to Kind: Bail Out THIS!
Libertarian Candidate to Hand Rep. Kind his Pink Slip on Thursday, Oct. 2nd @ 1 p.m. at Kind's office in LaCrosse, 205 5th Ave. S. #226
3rd District Congressional Candidate Kevin Barrett blasted incumbent Ron Kind today for voting for the 700 billion dollar banker bailout bill, and demanded Kind's immediate resignation.
"Ron Kind voted to saddle the taxpayers with more than $10,000 of debt per household" Barrett said. "This is the biggest attempted rip-off of the U.S. taxpayer in history. Why did Ron Kind side with the thieves from Wall Street instead of the working folks from Main Street? Maybe because Ron Kind has collected $186.5K in donations from insurance and financial services industries: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/pacs.php?cycle=2008&cid=N000044 03. That means a juicy chunk of the 700 billion dollars was going to go straight back into Ron Kind's pocket as bribes for his treasonous vote to loot the taxpayers. It's time for Ron Kind to resign, before the people storm his office with torches and pitchforks."
Barrett added that Kind, who has defied his own party to repeatedly vote for the war, has already saddled the American people with 5 trillion dollars in Iraq war debt. "Ron Kind and other war-crimes-complicit congress-critters have destroyed our economy, and now they're trying to finish us off," Barrett said. "We need to fire them, then send them to the war crimes tribunals."
Barrett announced that he would be visiting Ron Kind's office in La Crosse on Thursday, October 2nd at 1 p.m. to hand Ron Kind his pink slip. "This is part of Operation Pink Slip, a campaign to fire Congress," Barrett explained, citing the website http://www.firecongress.org. Barrett will be delivering an actual "Fire Congress" pink slip to Ron Kind or a member of his staff.
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In more Barrett campaign news...we recently generated one of the most fair and favorable articles on 9/11 truth ever to appear in a college newspaper, as the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post weighed in on my campaign: http://uwmpost.com/article/53/4/3716--Truth-in-politics-
Alas, not all reactions have been so favorable. In fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail news, I almost started a riot last week in a debate with Republican opponent Paul Stark at Bethany Church in LaCrosse. This was a right-wing fundamentalist church made up almost entirely of Paul Stark supporters, so my rip-roaring diatribe about the 9/11 inside job, which reveals the so-called American Empire (really the international bankers' empire) as the most evil empire in history, elicited shock, bewilderment, and rage from many in the congregation of Christian soldiers, along with several glares of palpable disgust from neocon theocrat Paul Stark. Despite some intense verbal hostilities from a Vietnam vet, I did not quite achieve martyrdom. Some of the shocked audience members (as opposed to the enraged ones) did accept my 9/11 truth DVDs, so who knows what the upshot will be.
Other recent campaign activities include:
Recording a two-and-a-half-minute TV statement (focusing on 9/11 truth) to be repeatedly broadcast by WMTV-15, Madison's NBC affiliate; a five-minute statement for Wisconsin Public TV to be recorded next Monday; interviews with various newspapers including the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel; distributing hundreds of 9/11 truth compilation DVDs and Washington, You're Fired DVDs, along with copies of the Liberty Voice newspaper; setting up numerous future interviews and appearances; and direct-mailing hundreds of people who responded to our poll by saying they think 9/11 might be an inside job.
Upcoming events include:
Campaign forums October 6th in Richland Center; October 13th in La Crosse (City Brewery, 1111 3rd St, 9 - 11 a.m.); October 24th in LaCrosse (U.N. Day event); and October 28th at U.W.-LaCrosse Cartwright Center Student Union, 7-8:15 p.m. And on Thursday, October 16th @7 pm I'll be introducing election fraud gumshoe Richard Hayes Phillips at the Dardenelles restaurant, 1851 Monroe Street, Madison. I'm also trying to set up my promised debate with Ron Kind--stay tuned for details.
Finally, don't forget that the upcoming election is Tuesday, November 4th -- the eve of the 5th of November, Guy Fawkes Day! Let's start getting ready to give them a Fifth of November they will never forget: http://www.waronwar.us, http://www.mujca.com/v.htm
Thank you for working for truth and justice. And remember, since I'm not getting any campaign contributions from the billionaire bankers, my campaign needs your financial support.
Keep up the struggle for truth!
Kevin Barrett
http://www.barrettforcongress.us
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Amy Goodman gets 'Right Livelihood' Award |
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@ James Madison - thanks for clearing up Barrett/Goodman issue - Kevin's comment was certainly OTT, and it's great to know they have mended their bridges.
She has now won the 'Right Livelihood' Award:
http://www.rightlivelihood.org/1288.html
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Latest Kevin Barrett post |
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This is the latest posting from Kevin:
3rd District Congressional candidate Kevin Barrett made the news today blasting Ron Kind's vote for the 700 billion dollar banker bailout bill, and giving Kind his pink slip: http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2008/10/03/news/01kind03.txt
Today at 4 pm Barrett will interview Paul Craig Roberts, Reagan's top economic advisor. Hon. Paul Craig Roberts is the John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy, Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. A former editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal and columnist for Business Week and the Scripps Howard News Service, he is a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate in Los Angeles and a columnist for Investor’s Business Daily. Roberts has discussed the apparent controlled demolition of the World Trade Center with Barrett on other radio shows, and his blurb for Barrett's book Truth Jihad lauds Barrett for "doing a real service for your country." The show will also feature James Corbett of http://www.corbettreport.com. Listen to today's interview: 4 -6 pm Central, http://www.gcnlive.com Network 4.
On Saturday, Barrett interviews visionary philanthropist Jimmy Walter, who has spent more than 5 million dollars spreading the truth about 9/11. 2-4 pm Central, http://www.wtprn.com
Sunday, Barrett's guest will be the irrepressible Joe Bageant, author of Deer Hunting with Jesus. Bageant is one of the best and funniest writers working in journalism today. According to Barrett, "Since Hunter Thompson died, Bageant has been the best stylist in American journalism...and like Thompson, Bageant has something to say that's as original and important as his way of saying it." Bageant is not yet on record as a 9/11 truth supporter, but that may change after this interview. 2-4 pm Central, http://www.wtprn.com
On Monday, Barrett's first hour guest is Bill Simpich, author of articles on the anthrax case for the non-truther progressive website ironically called TruthOut: http://www.truthout.org/article/congress-asks-who-misled-anthrax-inves tigation-pointing-iraq The second hour guest will be William Lewis, director-producer of the DVD Washington, You're Fired, which Barrett is handing out as he campaigns: http://www.washingtonyourefired.com/
Turn on, tune in, and call in!
Dr. Kevin Barrett
Libertarian Congressional Candidate, Wisconsin's 3rd District: www.BarrettForCongress.us
Radio Journalist: WTPRN, GCN, NoLiesRadio,
PS: Today's No Lies Headlines (to listen, visit http://www.noliesradio.org)
Monday 9/29
In today's lead story...the Senate's passage of the 700 billion dollar billionaire banker bailout bill, in the face of heated opposition from constituents, has been blamed on bribery. According to Real Time Investigations, Goldman Sachs and other investment and security companies paid more than $380,000 in "campaign contributions"--a euphemism for bribes--to members of the Senate Banking Committee during the first six months of 2008. Wisconsin Congressional candidate Kevin Barrett (full disclosure--that's me) has responded by proposing legislation that would classify any contribution of more than $200 to any office holder as a presumptive bribe. To learn more about this visionary proposal for campaign finance reform, visit www.barrettforcongress.us.
In false-flag news...the New York Times, which recently reported that the interpretation of 9/11 as a US-Israeli inside job is "conventional wisdom" in the Arab world, is now reporting that Muslims and other citizens of India do not believe the Indian government's bizarre and ever-changing stories blaming young Muslims for a series of bombings in that country.
In Canada, the CBC has covered the recent Conservative Party attacks on pro-9/11-truth Liberal Party candidate Lesley Hughes, New Democratic Party candidate Bev Collins, and New Democratic Party leader Jack Layton: (audio excerpt)
In late-breaking news, it appears the House may be voting on the 700 billion dollar billionaire banker bailout again today, Friday, October 3rd. Give your congress-critter an earful at 202-224-3121. Again, that number is 202-224-3121.
Finally, in get-your-eyes-off-my-body news, the Daily Telegraph reports that the EU will introduce "virtual strip searches" at airports by 2010, using "digital body scanners that leave little to the imagination." Personally, I think the airport security goons should have something left to their imagination. (Rolling Stones, "Imagination"
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: Kevin Barrett could break Libertarian records |
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Kevin Barrett could break Libertarian records
October 10th, 2008
Kevin Barrett, the controversial Libertarian for Congress in Wisconsin, is doing very well in the polls, as are the issues he is basing his campaign around. In a new poll conducted by Voice Broadcasting, Barrett is at 13.1%. That is higher than any other Libertarian candidate for Congress in the entire nation and higher than any other Libertarian in Wisconsin, according to the Barrett campaign. Also, 70% of registered voters in Barrett’s district oppose the bailout, which the incumbent supports.
Filed Under: Libertarian Party
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/kevin-barrett-could- break-libertarian-records/
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Kevin's a bit 'burned out', and will be taking a break (I hope it's not too long!); but he's signing off in style, with an interview with David Ray Griffin tomorrow:
David Griffin will join me on my last live show tomorrow
From: Kevin Barrett (kbarrett@merr.com)
Sent: 07 November 2008 00:32:48
To: Barrett for Congress (kbarrett@merr.com)
I'll be taking a breather from radio (not counting replays) after tomorrow's show featuring David Griffin's take on the state of the 9/11 truth movement.
Thanks to everybody who wrote back yesterday -- I'll get to you all individually as soon as I can.
Kevin
First hour: Jeremy Hammond, author, "Senior Corporate Executives Warned to Leave N.Y. on 9/11" : http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/articles/2008/11/03/senior_executi ves_warned_911.htm
Second hour: David Ray Griffin, author of six 9/11 books including The New Pearl Harbor Revisited.
Friday November 7th, The Dynamic Duo, 4-6 pm Central, http://www.gcnlive.com Network 4
(4pm Central Time is 10pm in Blighty, with the clocks back-outsider)
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Reader Review at Amazon.com
My Apology, October 13, 2008
As soon as I finished reading the book I called my
cousin up at college and I apologized to her. She'd
been trying to tell the entire family about the 911
Truth and we all have called her crazy for years. I
assumed because she was young that she was just wrong.
I had watched the videos she'd given to me but part of
me was refusing to accept the facts. David Ray
Griffin's book has shed pure light on the matter and I
cannot live in denial any longer. We have some real
problems with a criminal government and the only ones
to blame are the likes of people like me and others
who have turned our backs on Truth. I don't know how
we're going to fix it but I do know for sure that I
will not be living a lie any longer. I've purchased
five books and plan on giving them to family and
freinds. Thank you David Ray Griffin for writing such
a powerful and enlightening book. 5 STARS!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage, Kevin Ryan on KB radio |
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Everyone has had time for reflection since last batch of growling and barking; let's keep to our cease-fire zones, and consider how the Kevin Barrett saga is continueing:
Latest Kevin Barrett guests:
Q: What do David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage, and Kevin Ryan have in common?
A: They're three of the most accomplished, credible voices for 9/11 truth...they're courageous and profoundly decent human beings...and they're the first three guests on my brand-new radio show, Fair and Balanced! Check it out every Tuesday, noon-1 p.m. Eastern (9-10 a.m. Pacific) on http://www.noliesradio.org
Tuesday, 2/17/09: David Ray Griffin, the Dean of 9/11 Studies (podcast archived at http://www.noliesradio.org)
Tuesday, 2/24/09: Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Tuesday, 3/3/09: Kevin Ryan, scientist and 9/11 whistleblower
Please email me your questions for this Tuesday's guest, Richard Gage. From the many audience questions, I will select a few to ask him. If your question is selected, you win a free book or DVD from my too-extensive collection! Hint: Keep your questions short and to the point.
Thanks for listening, and keep up the struggle for truth!
Kevin Barrett
http://www.truthjihad.com (should be up and running tomorrow)
http://www.truthjihad.blogspot.com
PS: Check out my new essay, "Obama: Political Messiah, or Just Another Third World Dictator?" at http://www.truthjihad.blogspot.com
Thanks, Kevin! Webster Tarpley's book ' Obama, the Unauthorised Biography' is now on my shopping list.
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My thanks for bumping this thread, outsider (oh, if only the search function worked properly!) as I missed it first time around.
I have made several attempts at uncovering what's really going on at truthaction.org, been thrown off there several times too - came to the conclusion that's its gone the way of most US 9/11 sites - ie. thoroughly emasculated by AIPAC and NSA types.
Sad really how these people spend so much of their lives with their fingers stuck in the dyke. I've kept a list of prominent people they have attempted to trash (headed up by Barrett & Tarpley) - the modus, subtle, divisive yet sounding 'reasonable', is always the same, the results quite sufficient to put off newly enquiring readers from exploring further. And now they want people to blog, thereby further exposing personal data to the NSAbase.
However, its all mere smoke and mirrors once this reaches an international courtroom, preferably outside the U$.
Caracas might be the ideal venue... <sorta joke>
Bottom line: Brave souls like Tarpley, Barrett, Gage and Griffin (and a veritable host of 'us unseens'!) are doing more to bring this about than any number of 'bright sparks' muddying the waters trying to prevent it.
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| Thermate911 wrote: | | I've kept a list of prominent people they have attempted to trash (headed up by Barrett & Tarpley) - |
If it doesn't take too long could you tell us who is 'trashing' Tarpley and Barrett and direct us to the evidence?
We all probably look at our own different favorite websites. I've never seen this stuff. |
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| Thermate911 wrote: | | I have made several attempts at uncovering what's really going on at truthaction.org, been thrown off there several times too |
Could you provide links to the specific forum posts where this took place?
Have you read the truthaction 'Mission Statement and Guiding Principles?'
| Thermate911 wrote: | | ...came to the conclusion that's its gone the way of most US 9/11 sites - ie. thoroughly emasculated by AIPAC and NSA types. |
What?
| Thermate911 wrote: | | Sad really how these people spend so much of their lives with their fingers stuck in the dyke. |
What people and what dyke?
| Thermate911 wrote: | | I've kept a list of prominent people they have attempted to trash (headed up by Barrett & Tarpley) - the modus, subtle, divisive yet sounding 'reasonable', is always the same, the results quite sufficient to put off newly enquiring readers from exploring further. |
I don't have a problem with writers like Arabesque respectfully critiquing individuals who consistently behave in a way that is counterproductive to achieving justice for the 911 crimes.
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search/label/Webster%20Tarpley
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search/label/Kevin%20Barrett
| Thermate911 wrote: | | And now they want people to blog, thereby further exposing personal data to the NSAbase. |
You've completely missed the point.
From 9/11/08 Resolution: Start your own 9/11 blog! by Arabesque
| Arabesque wrote: | 9/11 truth activists often complain about the Corporate sponsored media (MSM) and their collective silence when it comes to explosive 9/11 information. As just one example, Dr. Steven Jones, Physicist Challenges Official 9-11 Story was listed at #18 in the top 25 censored stories of 2007, by Project Censored.
But Jenny Sparks points out this surprising fact: 91% of the users of the Total911TruthNOW website do not have a blog. Does this hold true for other 9/11 forums? Think about this for a second: if you are serious about exposing the 9/11 cover-up, this means you are going to have to get your voice heard by effectively promoting 9/11 information. Joining a forum is a start, but if you are tired about the MSM not reporting 9/11 information, why not do something about it by starting your own blog?
As I explained on the truthaction.org forum,
| Quote: | | ... I would recommend it for anyone who is serious about 9/11 awareness... If you don't speak up, no one will hear you and the 9/11 cover-up will continue. It's that simple. I've had people tell me that reading my stuff has made a difference for them, and that's good enough for me... Even just creating a blog and linking to credible 9/11 sites... improves search rankings and brings new visitors to these sites. |
Don't wait for someone else to expose the 9/11 cover-up. Get involved by reporting and promoting 9/11 information. Every person who speaks out by spreading credible information, 9/11 truth websites, and films will make a difference. If the MSM is not going to report 9/11 information, are you just going to keep waiting for them to do this, or are you going to take action and do something about it? Instead of passively reading information and listening to radio shows, why not get involved by spreading this information by promoting it on a blog?
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And of course, 911blogger.com. Along with participating in the 11th Day of the Month Campaign and other types of activism, all of these things will all add up together and the MSM censorship blockade and gatekeepers will be completely irrelevant.
If you start a new blog in part because of this article, link to it here so that others will add your blog to their links. Websites that are connected by many links get more traffic and are found higher in search rankings. For example, I get around 100 visitors a day to my blog and a lot of this traffic comes from search engines. This is why it is worthwhile to create your own separate blog: it can improve the rankings of sites like 911blogger.com and 911truth.org. |
There are plenty of obvious reasons why starting a blog is a great idea.
| Thermate911 wrote: | | However, its all mere smoke and mirrors once this reaches an international courtroom, preferably outside the U$. |
Many experienced and successful activists believe that critiquing disruptive and divisive behaviour will act as an expedient where justice is concerned.
Are aware that you are accusing truthaction.org and its users, without any evidence, of 'trashing people' while doing this EXACT thing yourself? |
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| Quote: | | Are aware that you are accusing truthaction.org and its users, without any evidence, of 'trashing people' while doing this EXACT thing yourself? |
Yep.
Caveat - the site and its stated intentions, is ok - it's some of the 'leading lights' who are more than suspect.
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