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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Economic Terrorism-Bailing out the BANKSTERS Reply with quote

A silent revolution is occurring in Britain. After announcing the end of boom and bust Brown is going for broke. He is nationalising the losses of banks and handing over at a pittance the creme de la creme of their businesses.

Bradfords and Bingleys savings arms was handed over to Abbey-Sandanter and the collapsing asset prices of property have been taken over by the government. In other words why evict thousands of owners when if they default the government can just pay housing benefit directly to itself.

Private housing once more has become council housing cos it went bust. Deregulation is now officially dead. It started first with housing but as the credit supply lines run dry in all other businesses the government will be forced to take them over. The Underground is another case in point where the contractors have gone bust and Boris is asking for state aid.

Now why a Buy 2 Let landlord should be bailed out by the taxpayer is obviously a question to be asked but no one is doing the asking as Parliament isn't even recalled with these massive bailouts or even questioned.
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Grand Theft America.
Financial Crime of the Century


by Stephen Lendman

Global Research, September 29, 2008



The crime of the century. The greatest one ever. Author Danny Schechter calls it "Plunder." The title of his important new book on the subprime and overall financial crisis. Economist Michael Hudson and others refer to a kleptocracy. A Ponzi scheme writ large. Maybe an out-of-control Andromeda Strain. An economic one. Deadly. Unrecallable. Science fiction now real life. Potentially catastrophic. World governments trying to contain it. Trying everything but not sure what can work. Maybe only able to paper it over for short-term relief. Buy time but in the end vindicate the maxim that things that can't go on forever, won't.

The world as we know it is changing. Industrial capitalism. The entire global economic system. Interconnected. What affects one nation touches others. If the troubled country is America it reaches everywhere, and if the crisis is great enough, the disease may be fatal and human wreckage catastrophic. Precisely the current dilemma that world leaders and financial experts are scrambling to figure out. Desperate to contain, and not sure what, if anything, can work. How did this happen and why?

The result of unfettered capitalism's fatal flaw - unbridled greed in a rigged system that rewards the few at the expense of most others. First an explanation of how it works. Free-wheeling, "free market" Chicago School fundamentalism the way economist Milton Friedman championed it in his 1962 book "Capitalism and Freedom" and taught it to students for decades. He believed that government's sole function is "to protect our freedom both from (outside) enemies....and from our fellow-citizens." Preserve law and order. Enforce private contracts. Protect private property and "foster competitive (unregulated) markets." Everything else in public hands is "socialism....blasphemy." Not to be tolerated.

He said "free markets" work best. Unfettered by rules, regulations, onerous taxes or any at all, trade barriers, entrenched interests, and human interference. That anything government does, business does better, so let it. That the best government is one that governs least. That public wealth should be in private hands. The accumulation of profits unrestrained. Corporate taxes abolished. Social services also, and that "economic freedom is an end to itself....and an indispensable means toward (achieving) political freedom."

He called most all government interference a restriction of freedom. Opposed foreign aid. Subsidies. Import quotas and tariffs, and illicit drug laws for being a subsidy to organized crime, but he found no fault with major banks laundering their profits. He believed business should be unrestrained in maximizing them, even the illegal kind apparently.

He opposed the minimum wage and right of unions to bargain collectively on equal terms with management. He believed high wages and benefits harm everyone. They raise prices, and in the end, hurt workers as well as management. He called Social Security "The Biggest Ponzi Scheme on Earth," even though it's been the most effective poverty reduction program ever for millions of seniors who'd be desperate without it. Especially today given a deepening economic crisis. The nation's social safety net disappearing, and heading everyone toward managing on his or her own. Dependent on their ingenuity, resources, and good fortune. Milton Friedman's ideal world. For those who can't make it, it's their own fault. It's everyone for him or herself in his judgment, and let the devil take the hindmost.

As for today's largest ever unraveling Ponzi scheme, it's just the workings of the "free market." Creative destruction. "Freedom to choose." The best of all possible worlds, and unfettered capitalism will figure out the right solutions. Provided government gets out of the way and gives it free reign. Free money also to wreck world economies and human lives even more than what's already done.

The Chickens Are Home to Roost

Are they ever, and here's what we've got. A global asset bubble. A predictable crisis allowed to build and mushroom. Begun after Chicago School economics took hold under Ronald Reagan. Continued under GHW Bush. Became religion under Bill Clinton, and ultimately fundamentalism under GW Bush.

The result - a "slow motion train wreck" gaining speed. Banks and other financial institutions failing globally. On September 25, the largest bank failure in US history with Washington Mutual's collapse. Earlier it was giant insurer AIG. Before that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, and Merrill Lynch a forced liquidation to Bank of America.

Others are now teetering on the edge. Strapped by toxic debt. The result of out-of-control greed for easy profits. Massive fraud to get them. Thinking they're the best and brightest, and only mere mortals mess up. Knowing Fed moral hazard will cushion them if they do. True for some. Not for others, and learning that the Federal Reserve (the world's key central bank) failed in its primary job. To protect the country's financial system from insolvency. By contributing to a financial crisis and one of confidence. By creating near-limitless amounts of capital. Fueling a housing bubble. Outsized consumer debt, and irresponsible investments free from government oversight. Fraudulent ones involving multi-trillions of dollars.

Partnering with government to make it easy. Risking a global economic meltdown as a result. Scrambling to find solutions. Unsure if there are any. The present crisis is unparalled. Maybe it can be fixed, and maybe not. The problem is multi-fold. A perfect storm involving:

-- residential housing;

-- commercial real estate;

-- consumer over-indebtedness;

-- unknown amounts of toxic debt (in the multi-trillions);

-- affecting world finance and economies;

-- causing bankruptcies;

-- many more will follow;

-- selected ones bailed out;

-- the entire system endangered;

-- consumer money market, bank accounts and private pension funds as well; government backing is needed to protect them; there's not enough money to do it; and

-- the contagion is spreading; threatening world economies and people everywhere.

This time is really different. A $700 billion bailout (called the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 - EESA) is just a down payment. Trillions will be needed in the end. Other nations contributing to help. The problems are deeper and more intractable than anyone expected. Before this ends, unimaginable amounts of capital will be written off. Too much to even contemplate. Bad investments contaminating good ones. Threatening world financial structures with paralysis. Severe economic damage to their economies as a result.

Eroding industrial capitalism as we know it. At best managing a short-term fix and delaying a final denouement for a later time. Under new management with the current and past ones claiming no responsibility. And unmindful of millions of homeowners facing foreclosure and bankruptcy. One in ten currently behind in their payments. Others losing their jobs and way of life. They're the most vulnerable. Least able to cope, and for some their ability to survive.

According to The New York Times, here's how the Paulson scheme helps them: "it requires the government to use its new role as owner of distressed mortgage-backed securities to make 'more aggressive' efforts to prevent home foreclosures." Weasel words. No specifics. No assurances, and nothing apparently for homeowners already in foreclosure.

On September 22, ahead of the announced agreement, American Research Group (ASG) published its latest public sentiment poll results, and they were stunning. At 19%, George Bush scored lowest ever for a US president, surpassing Harry Truman at the depth of the Korean War and Richard Nixon during Watergate. It came at a time ASG's results showed 82% of Americans believe the economy is getting worse, and only 17% approve of how Bush is handling it. Among registered voters, the number is 18% at a time no one surveyed (zero percent) said the economy is improving and 68% say it's in recession. True or false, it's how they feel. How the crisis affects them, and that's what counts most.

Yet on September 24, the president addressed the nation audaciously. Callously dismissing public pain and anger. Deceitfully stating outright lies. A typical performance. Demanded that Congress give the treasury secretary carte blanche authority over $700 billion to address "a serious financial crisis." Asked taxpayers to pay for corporate fraud. Reward criminals and ignore their crimes. Said nothing about the root cause. The effect on ordinary people, or how Paulson's scheme will help them. Ignored growing public opposition. Large numbers of credible observers believing the proposed solution is worse than the problem. The most honest of them saying it will enrich fraudsters and offer no help for homeowners.

Yet Bush concluded that "democratic capitalism (is the) best system the world has ever devised" in spite of clear evidence that it's broken and corrupted. Exploits people for profit. Enriches the few at the expense of the many. Rewards criminals for their crimes. Protects the rich from beneficial social change.

Ahead of the president's address on September 24, The New York Times showed a rare display of candor in a critical Timothy Egan opinion piece. About "nearly nationalizing the banking system and giving the treasury secretary more power than a king....whose decisions may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." He asked readers to remember "where the biggest heist took place, and how Wall Street dragged down the rest of the country once before," referring to the Great Depression but leaving out everything in between.

He stressed, however, "how Wall Street brought down main street," and things have now come full circle. Deregulation unleashed casino capitalism, and bankers made a killing. Now they're in trouble and Bush demands "the biggest bailout in American history....or the world will crumble. He said the a similar thing in the run-up to war" so who can believe him now. Egan quotes a dirt farmer asking why not the same "concerns (for) average Americans." Because "we the people" Bush speaks for are them, not us.

As for Paulson's plan, here's what the Financial Times writer Martin Wolf said on September 23. He called it "not a true solution to the crisis." It doesn't address the "fundamental problem." It's "neither a necessary nor an efficient solution. It is not necessary because the (Fed can) manage illiquidity through its many lender-of-last resort operations. It is not efficient because it can only deal with insolvency by buying bad assets (overpriced junk) at far above their true value, thereby guaranteeing big losses for taxpayers and providing an open-ended bail-out to the most irresponsible investors."

Wolf also objects to Paulson getting unchecked powers. Providing little or no help to the poor and "ill-informed" (read duped) borrowers, and lists other operational suggestions "essential for the long-run health of any financial system" without needing "a penny of public money." Among them, forcing creditors to take losses and not taxpayers.

Unmentioned in his article is the underlying fraud behind the crisis and a lack of regulatory oversight that made it easy. Also, omitted was what's covered in the section below.

The 1937 Housing Act's Empowering Section 8 Authority

One Section 8 sentence provided the basis for the treasury secretary's empowerment. It reads:

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administration agency."

In other words, unchallengeable czarist powers. In contrast to the 1930s Reconstruction Finance Corporation's (RFC) closely supervised operations. That era's Home Owners' Loan Corporation (HOLC) that refinanced homes to prevent foreclosures. And the 1980s Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) mandate to liquidate assets from failed S & Ls. Not dispense free money for bad investments unchecked. The above authorities subject to judicial review. Not governed by a financial boss to run as he pleased.

The Announced "Bailout" Deal - The Emergency Stabilization Act of 2008 (ESA)

According to The New York Times, EESA calls for "strict oversight of the program by a Congressional panel and conflict-of-interest rules for firms hired by the Treasury to help run the program." Also "a change in the bankruptcy laws sought by some Democrats to give judges the authority to modify the terms of first mortgages."

Given the bipartisan blame for today's crisis. The post-9/11 willingness to give the administration near-carte blanche authority across the board. Eight years of indifference to social needs and public welfare. Who now believes that policy going forward will change and that the agreed-on scheme will protect people or curb the secretary's authority. On his own initiative, George Bush usurped supreme power post-9/11 while few in Congress blanched. None in leadership positions. Little today has changed.

Disclaimers notwithstanding from both sides of the aisle, Wall Street is pleased. Paulson got what he wanted. The plan's fine print will assure it. Public money. Far more, if needed, than $700 billion. The power to dispense it freely. With weak at best oversight and judicial review, and the ability to conceal fraud and malfeasance. In short, the between-the-lines meaning of Paulson saying: "We have made great progress toward a deal, which will work and be effective in the marketplace."

The same one that fleeced the nation and betrayed the public trust. Now empowered to take more with the full faith and blessing of the government from both sides of the aisle. Belying George Bush's insult that "The rescue effort....is not aimed at Wall Street; it is aimed at your street." And Nancy Pelosi's hypocrisy that: "All of this was done in a way to insulate Main Street and everyday Americans from the crisis on Wall Street....I want to congratulate all of the negotiators for the great work they have done." Who in banker boardrooms would disagree.

Some Relevant Facts

Clearly the present crisis is unprecedented. As stated above, maybe it can be fixed and maybe not. No one is sure because no one understands it fully. Where all the problems lie. To what degree can they be contained. How great their fallout may be. Their full effect on world economies. How bad things may get before they stabilize and improve, and the way the world will look like when they do.

Whatever's coming, industrial capitalism is eroding. A kleptocracy replaced it. If the system is saved, it will be temporary, and an even greater one will emerge. Why this article is called Grand Theft America. A criminal class runs it, and they're rewarded for their crimes. Backed by the full faith and credit of the government with taxpayer money. A near-limitless amount created and borrowed. Who said crime doesn't pay!

For over 30 years, an unimaginable wealth transfer to the rich has been ongoing. To the top 1% and corporate America from most others. It proves the failure of a system that rewards the few at the expense of the many. Licenses greed and creates this kind of global financial crisis so far uncontained. It begs the questions: what caused it and what's the fallout:

-- the ruinous effects of militarization; insane amounts of spending on it; "military Keynesianism;" believing capitalism thrives on foreign wars; "Global Wars on Terrorism" currently; their costs are unsustainable and are heading the nation toward bankruptcy;

-- the drain on an already weakened economy;

-- maxed out consumers now debt slaves;

-- so is government from unrepayable obligations in the tens of trillions; not the fictitious "official" reported numbers;

-- the possibility of future default; hyperinflation; national bankruptcy, and the demise of the republic;

-- human default as well: mass bankruptcies; home foreclosures; rising unemployment; increased poverty; and growing numbers of families unable to survive;

-- the subprime crisis is just part of it; seven million mortgages sold to the unwary; the idea was to criminally defraud them; offer two-year teaser rates; then reset them higher semi-annually based on an interest rate benchmark; payments soared as much as 30% and became unaffordable; the scheme was to cash in at the expense of mortgage holders, and five million risk losing their homes and life savings;

-- an "economic Pearl Harbor" for Warren Buffett; for Senator Chris Dodd a "50-state Katrina;" a "house of cards (built on) reckless finance" for author Kevin Phillips; Frankenstein finance; casino capitalism; for most Americans, a human catastrophe;

-- the demise of our manufacturing base; letting malls replace factories as the economy's engine;

-- permitting the financialization of the economy; speculative finance writ large; replacing productive investment; totally deregulated; run by fraudsters; free from government oversight; letting investment banks game the system at up to 40 to 1 leverage; until 2004, 12 to 1 was the maximum;

-- a government - business conspiracy for global dominance and the single-minded pursuit of profit; unfettered amounts of it through cleverly manipulated schemes; transferring multi-trillions of dollars from workers to the most wealthy; doing it without people even noticing;

-- creative destruction to let giant businesses grow larger by removing and devouring smaller ones; even large ones;

-- permitting and/or ignoring massive fraud; involving multi-trillions of dollars; the largest ever Ponzi scheme; a calculated crime with media complicity through silence; not reporting a growing problem as it emerged; waiting until it mushroomed and still not explaining it accurately and honestly; and

-- wondering won if the best and brightest can fix things or if no amount of money or ingenuity can do it.

The Plan's Architect - Henry Paulson

From a Nixon administration staff assistant to the assistant secretary of defense. To assistant to key Watergate official John Erlichman. To Goldman Sachs in 1974. To a partnership in the firm in 1982. Then Chief Operation Officer (COO) in 1994 and CEO in 1998 by a palace coup against co-chairman and now New Jersey governor Jon Corzine, according to New York Times columnist Floyd Norris.

Even before the current crisis, Goldman was the preeminent Wall Street firm. A survivor. The largest, and along with Morgan Stanley, the remaining two Street giants left standing. But no longer as investment banks after the Federal Reserve's September 21 announcement that both companies will become bank holding companies after a mandatory five-day waiting period, now over.

In theory, they'll be under stricter Fed oversight but will get Fed help to complete their transition and thereafter. As a well-connected financial powerhouse, whatever Goldman wants, Goldman gets. Always in the past by recycling top executives into Democrat and Republican administrations, and now more than ever given Henry Paulson's extraordinary financial czar powers.

Before his $700 billion giveaway plan, the 2008 Housing and Economic Recovery Act gave him authority to fleece taxpayers by rescuing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well as raise the national debt by over $5 trillion dollars. He also orchestrated the demise of Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual. The forced sale of Merrill Lynch, and arranged the government takeover of AIG.

He has near-open checkbook authority to reward close allies with loans and free money and let them acquire troubled assets on the cheap. This from a man with much responsibility for today's crisis. A June 12, 2006 Business Week cover story titled "Mr. Risk Goes to Washington" called him "one of the key architects of a more daring Wall Street, where securities firms are taking greater and greater chances in their pursuit of profits." Such as assuming huge amounts of debt and "placing big bets (with their own money) on all sorts of exotic derivatives and other securities." Advising clients to do the same. Casino capitalism at up to 40 to one leverage. Hugely profitable in up markets. Disastrous in down ones.

Paulson earned millions and now has an estimated $700 million + net worth. For 2007 overall, according to Bloomberg.com, "Wall Street's five biggest firms (paid out) a record $39 billion in bonuses (and did it in) a year when three of the companies suffered the worst quarterly losses in their history and shareholders lost more than $80 billion."

Speculative finance pays well, even in down years, and it even raised Bloomberg's ire in a Michael Lewis September 24 commentary titled "America Must Rescue the Bonuses at Goldman Sachs." It reflected on a possible global financial collapse but sacrificing Goldman bonuses is another matter. If firm "employees (take) pay cut(s), it will be (tantamount to failure and) our country may never recover." How will the company induce new talent to come aboard. Goldman is well-positioned to get maximum gain from its former CEO's $700 billion handout.

Why else would Warren Buffett bet $5 billion on the firm! For preferred shares paying an annual 10% dividend. Warrants as well to buy $5 billion in common stock at a $115 a share strike price. Well off its $251 peak and below the latest September 26 $138 a share.

Joseph Stiglitz on the Economy

Stiglitz was formerly part of the system he now criticizes. Free market fundamentalism in its most extreme form. For many months, he warned about a worsening global economy and growing financial crisis that's as bad or worse than the Great Depression.

He sees similar problems now as then:

-- outsized speculation through excessive leverage;

-- pyramid schemes;

-- multiple bubbles through so-called Wall Street innovations; and

-- a lack of transparency and government oversight.

Combined they created a crisis "so great that no one knows exactly the magnitude of the risk they face. It is particularly bad because our financial institutions are based on trust. You put money in the bank and you trust that you can get (it) out, so trust is absolutely essential for the functioning of our financial markets and economy."

The problem is exacerbated by those providing the news. The dominant media and frequent spokespeople. Industry representatives like Lehman Brothers CEO saying last April that "we turned the corner, and the economy is on the uptick." Also from the president, treasury secretary and others in government as things keep worsening.

Stiglitz calls this a "top down crisis." The "$3 trillion cost" of foreign wars a key. Creating huge deficits and consuming vital resources needed for growth. "This is the first war in American history that has been totally financed on the credit card. For the last five years....we have been a debt economy." Not since the Revolutionary War have "we have had to turn to foreigners," so now "40% of our national debt is financed by (them). Even as we went (to war) we had a big deficit, and yet the president called for tax cuts for upper middle class Americans." Insane but we did it.

Another factor is other countries trusting that our economy is working well, and when the president says it is he's believable. "This administration burned that trust....no wonder everybody around the world is losing confidence." Even worse is that the administration isn't dealing responsibly with these problems, mostly because they're of our own making.

Stiglitz worries about the "real economy:" home prices dropping; owners forced into foreclosure; more financial firms in crisis; and a good many won't survive. He sees a weakening financial system unable or unwilling "to provide credit (the lifeblood of the economy for) loans, mortgages," and that means lower home prices, contracting businesses, rising unemployment, and a "downward vicious cycle. You have to be in fantasy land to say that everything is fine (or even) that we have turned the corner." He sees at least another 18 months of pain. Maybe longer. Who can know or how much.

For sure, real economic stimulus is needed. Productive investment. Not the phony "bailout" kind proposed. Aiding state and local governments. Better unemployment insurance and more for infrastructure. Providing a basis for long-term growth. Not feeding markets and starving the hungry, as one writer put it. Not believing markets on their own will fix things.

Understanding that government must intervene. Responsibly. Facilitate job creation. End casino capitalism. Provide incentives for real economic growth. Let foreclosed and threatened homeowners stay in their homes. Work out an equitable way to do it. "We learned a painful lesson in the 1930s and today: The invisible hand often seems invisible because it's not there." It led to the kind of predicament now confronting the country. The solutions proposed will just compound it.

Ones that Can Fix It

Good ones not considered. From figures like Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. Others as well with solid advice to:

-- make fraudsters eat the bulk of their losses;

-- use public funds only "to sustain the orderly operation of the financial system;"

-- minimize speculative finance; the root of the current problem;

-- "minimize moral hazard" - the Paulson (and Bernanke) "put" picking up where Greenspan left off;

-- let delinquent homeowners stay in their homes and pay rent;

-- curtail executive compensation for companies getting government aid;

-- make a key Fed responsibility the prevention of asset bubbles; reinstitute regulations to do it; Glass-Steagall for starters that prohibited commercial and investment banks and insurance companies from combining;

-- impose a modest financial transactions tax to curb excesses and raise revenue;

-- trade assets, like credit default swaps, openly on exchanges to establish fair value for them;

-- impose strict limits on leverage;

-- keep Fannie and Freddie public institutions; their status before being privatized in 1968; and

-- restructure the Fed democratically; a far better solution is abolish it and let government control its own money; use it responsibly for all Americans, not just the privileged few.

Other recommendations recognize no quick or easy solutions to problems this great. Economist James Galbraith says borrowers need collateral. A new Home Owners Loan Corporation to rewrite mortgages. Manage rental conversions, and decide what degraded properties should be demolished. Which ones to save and refurbish. Set it up in communities under federal guidelines and do it quickly. Help state and local governments strapped for cash. Reestablish federal revenue sharing. A National Infrastructure Bank making capital available for infrastructure. Put people to work building it. Protect seniors and near-retirees from wealth loss. Extra Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid revenue will help. Get money in the hands of people who'll spend it.

Address other crucial issues like energy conservation, reconstruction and renewable power. Infrastructure overall. Tuition help for students. Another GI bill. Credit card and mortgage interest rate caps. Rescind anti-consumist laws like the misnamed 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act. A boon for credit card companies and other businesses. Unfairly burdensome to the public.

A whole range of other projects and ideas to redirect the economy away from speculative finance and militarism and toward high-return public investment. Do it before it's too late. Recognize that the present course is unsustainable. Imagine a government working for everyone and not just the privileged few. Imagine it not tolerating fraud and malfeasance.

Instead, Congress agreed to a "bailout" and passed a record $634 billion omnibus spending bill (to run the government through March 6, 2009) to include a record Pentagon budget; $25 billion in low-interest auto industry loans; maybe with no provision for repayment; lifting a quarter-century ban on Atlantic and Pacific off-shore drilling; billions more in earmarked pork; and likely more coming later for the airlines and other endangered companies. Taxpayers for Common Sense criticized the bill at the same time it noted that government "bailout" appropriations will reach about $1.2 trillion with the $700 billion Paulson scheme. Others put the total above $1.5 trillion, and many say it's only for starters.

Paying "hold-to-maturity" prices compounds the fraud. For securitized assets worth a fraction of full value. Much of it pennies on the dollar, if anything. Trillions of dollars of toxic ones. All sorts of them. Newly invented ones. Structured finance and insurance. Asset-backed securities. Repackaged into marketable pools. Sold to investors. It's been done for decades but only recently so out of hand. Greed and deregulation created an alphabet soup of levered-up, high-risk securitized assets. Financial alchemy. Largely outright fraud, including:

-- collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), including auto loans, credit and corporate debt;

-- collateralized (asset-backed home) mortgage obligations (CMOs);

-- commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS);

-- mortgage-backed securities (MBS) and levered loans;

-- structured investment vehicles (SIVs);

-- special purpose vehicles (SPVs);

-- pass-through securities;

-- credit and interest rate default swaps;

-- commercial paper and more;

-- repackaged arcane stuff most people don't understand; even investors who bought them; like eating a stew with no idea what's in it; a recipe with no list of ingredients; learning too late it's toxic and you're in trouble;

Credit card companies as well from growing amounts of unrepayable credit card debt. The auto industry already assured of a low-interest $25 billion loan (or maybe handout) for starters. Airlines coming next. Select homebuilders and troubled companies called too big to fail. If they're too big to fail, says one observer, they're too big to exist.

EESA will give the treasury secretary near-carte blanche powers to conceal fraud and help the fraudsters, including his former company, Goldman Sachs, now in trouble. Pick and choose among others. Which will survive, and what less favored ones will go on the block at fire sale prices or disappear. Today there are 9000 banks in the country. In a decade, half or more of them may be gone.

Economist Michael Hudson calls EESA "cash for trash" and a "giveaway," not a bailout. A "transfer of wealth to insiders." A financial coup d'etat. The "largest and most inequitable (kind) since the (19th century) land giveaways to the railroad barons."

In this case, socializing losses to let fraudsters "sell out all their bad bets." Junk of all sorts: a stew of securitized assets, bad mortgages, car loans, credit card loans, student loans, anything for insiders stuck with too much of them.

A doomed scheme that will raise the debt level instead of lowering it. Enrich fraudsters with taxpayer funds. Stick the public with toxic junk. Maybe buy time before more people and markets catch on, but, in the end, cripple the economy and erode industrial capitalism with it.

Hudson is justifiably angry given the amount of fraud and deceit. The government-concocted scheme to whitewash it. Reward criminals. Harm most others, and wreck the country at the same time. He says a "kleptocratic class has taken over the economy to replace industrial capitalism....'banksers' " for FDR and earlier condemned by Jefferson with this stinging comment:

"I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."

A half century later Lincoln said:

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country....corporations (including bankers) have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

Lincoln refused to pay bankers usurious rates to finance the Civil War and got Congress to pass the 1862 Legal Tender Act. It empowered the US Treasury to issue "greenbacks" that were interest-free because government printed its own money. When Lincoln was assassinated in 1865, the "Greenback Law" was rescinded. A new national banking act was passed, and the government once again had to pay interest to bankers.

On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy issued executive order (EO) 11110 giving the president authority to issue currency. He ordered the treasury to begin printing "United States (Treasury) Notes" to replace "Federal Reserve Notes." He began a process to let government control its own money and no longer private bankers under the guise of the Federal Reserve. Months later, Kennedy was assassinated. Once Lyndon Johnson took office, he rescinded EO 11110 and reestablished the current system. More on that below.

The Two Greatest Ever Financial Crimes - Today's Fraud and the 1913 Federal Reserve Act's Privatization of Money Creation

Most people think the Federal Reserve is a government agency, subject to its control. It's sometimes mistakenly called a quasi-governmental decentralized central bank to disguise its real identity and purpose. Its Eccles building headquarters compounds the subterfuge. Below it's stripped away.

The Federal Reserve is a private for-profit banking cartel. Owned and run by major banks and Wall Street in each of its 12 Districts. It was created and operates in violation of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution that states that Congress alone shall have the power to create money and regulate its value. In 1935, the Supreme Court ruled that Congress cannot constitutionally delegate this power to another authority, but, in fact it did.

On December 22, 1913, between 1:30 - 4:30 AM, the Federal Reserve Act was shepherded through a special Congressional Conference Committee. Then voted on and passed the next day. Two days before Christmas with many members gone and most others with no time to read or consider this momentous document.

By enacting this law, Congress and President Woodrow Wilson defrauded the public. Wilson later said (when it was too late to matter) he made a mistake and "unwittingly ruined my country." This from a man who was an intellect. Trained in the law. A PhD in political science and president of Princeton University in his earlier years.

The Federal Reserve Act gives private bankers the most important of all powers. The one most of all that governments should never relinquish. The authority to print money. Control its supply. Its price through the Fed Funds rate and how it influences the whole yield curve. Loan it out for profit, and charge government interest on its own money. It's later returned minus operating expenses and a guaranteed 6% profit. Taxpayers foot the bill. An early and continuing example of wealth transfer from the public to powerful bankers. Illegally sanctioned by Congress and the president.

The Fed literally creates money out of nothing. Expands or contracts its supply as it wishes - with no government oversight or control. Gold once backed it until Nixon closed the gold window in August 1971. Suspended dollar convertibility into the metal, and ended compliance with the Bretton Woods core provision. The US dollar became fiat currency. Mere paper. Backed by nothing except the faith of the issuing authority.

Given today's crisis, that faith is fast eroding and is to blame for dollar weakness. Mostly because of profligate policies by private bankers running the country's monetary policy for their own gain. The grandest of grand thefts along with today's all-consuming fraud. Backed by the full faith and credit of the government, and up to now at least, with most people none the wiser.

A Growing Public Response to the Crisis

For how long is the question given growing public anger and people expressing it publicly. It has administration officials worried enough to order what Michel Chossudovsky wrote in his September 26 article titled "Pre-election Militarization of the North American Homeland."

He cites an Army Times article saying that the 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade Combat Team is coming home (in October) from Iraq as (according to the Times) "an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks." Perhaps with a manufactured incident as pretext. To defend the homeland against ourselves. Be deployed against dissent. Erupting public anger. On city streets like in Denver and St. Paul. Displaying civil disobedience. Defiance against fraud, deceit, illegal foreign wars, and nearly eight intolerable years under George Bush and a complicit Congress. Capped by the current financial crisis touching everyone while government rewards crime and hangs its victims out to dry.

The 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade is for combat. It's not the National Guard or local police. It's trained for war. "Equipped to kill people" with potent weapons, and a last hurrah scheme may be planned to divert public attention from the financial crisis. A "terrorist" attack with "chemical, biological" or other dangerous weapons. A possible pretext for martial law at a time the administration and Congress are vulnerable. When people are angry about Washington protecting the privileged. Partnering with them in crime. Defrauding the public and stifling dissent. Moving one step closer to tyranny and away from silly notions about democracy. Proving crime indeed does pay and awfully well on Wall Street. "It's the economy, stupid." Theirs, not ours.

Stephen Lendman is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization. He lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to The Global Research News Hour on RepublicBroadcasting.org Mondays from 11AM - 1PM for cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests. All programs are archived for easy listening.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Will Hutton formerly editor of economics at the Guardian, Brown has been involved in a money grab heist even bigger than the Yanks. He stated on tv the following

Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley has cost the taxpayer £150billion
The special liquidity on offer by the Bank of England to other banks is equivalent to £200billion.

That is approximately 25% of GDP ie what the country produces in a whole year

By analogy the Yanks should have spent aroun $4 trillion for the same process but they have spent just over a quarter of it.

That implies a major British bank is now on the cards to fall. How soon? Time will tell.

The £50k limit implies that if you take all people over 18 in the UK who can have a bank account say 50million multiply that by £50k that equals a total sum of £25trillion...

Trillions Of Dollars Wipped Out
Bill Bonner - Fri 23 Nov, 2007

What comes after a trillion? We ask because today brings word that the world's derivatives have surpassed $500 trillion. In other words, they're half way to somewhere. We suspect they are half way to Hell but we don't know how many zeros there are in the netherworld. The fall of stock prices so far has wiped out a couple trillion in implied wealth. The fall of the dollar has wiped out a couple trillion more. Goldman Sachs estimates that the credit crunch will take out $2 trillion in credit. And, of course, there are the direct losses from the credit crunch itself...which could add another $300 billion or so. A trillion here...a trillion there...pretty soon, you're talking real mon
http://www.dailyreckoning.co.uk/economic-forecasts/trillions-of-dollar s-wipped-out.html

When fiat money is at a knife edge as it has reached essentially its historical limits, the peoples money goes to the wall or to line the pockets of the banksters.

Its amazing that no one asks who owns the Bank of England and where is it getting money guaranteed by the government to engineer this financial fraud on a massive scale?
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October 4, 2008

Chinese Police Units Begin Entering US To Protect Assets

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

Reports circulating in the Kremlin today are stating that the first
deployment of China’s elite People's Armed Police (PAP) under an
agreement signed between the United States and China, and as we had
previously reported on in our September 20th report “US Homeowners Soon
To Be Evicted By Chinese Police Under New Law”, have arrived in America
and begun to deploy to protect Chinese assets in this now insolvent
First-World country.

Unbeknownst to the American people, however, is that since September
20th, the $700 billion bailout bill signed into law by their President
yesterday was expanded from its original 3 pages to a 451 page virtual
novel of new laws virtually enslaving them to the foreign holders of
their debt.

Even more disturbing, these reports continue, are that these new laws
not only give Chinese and European banks control over the mortgage debt
of the American people, they now include their credit card balances, and
which virtually the entire US populace have indebtedness to.

To how utterly chilling this new US law for the American people, titled
the “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008”, Russian legal
experts point out in these reports that:

“Section 101 (a)(1) establishes what is termed the Troubled Asset Relief
Program (TARP) to which substantial portions of what the American people
currently owe to their banks and financial institutions is to be turned
over the US Government for redistribution to foreign banks.

Section 101(c)(3) Designates for the first time in American history
these foreign banks as financial agents of Federal Government with full
law enforcement authority over the citizens in the US.

Section 3 (b) allows the US Secretary of the Treasury to put any kind of
debt, including credit card, home loans, personal loans, automobile
loans, etc., into the TARP programme.

Section 112 allows the US Secretary of the Treasury to astoundingly
extend financing to foreign banks to purchase the debt of the American
people.

Section 112 (1)(a) allows the US Government to hold stocks in companies
for the first time in their history and which completely destroys the
capitalist economy of their Nation.

Section 119 (2)(a) gives the US Secretary of the Treasury dictatorial
powers not reviewable by courts making this position the most powerful
one in America.

Section 122 increases the US public debt to the incredible amount of
$11,315,000,000,000 (Trillion)

Section 204 puts the United States under emergency economic rule and
states, "all provisions of this Act are designated as an emergency
requirement and necessary to meet emergency needs”.

But, these reports warn, the two most chilling measures put into this
new law are titled “Section 511 "Paul Wellstone and Pete Domenici Mental
Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008” and “TITLE II-SPECIAL
PROJECTS ON FEDERAL LAND Section 201”.

The new mental health provisions contained in these new laws allows the
United States to label dissident citizens as being ‘mentally ill’, and
the ‘Special Projects’ section allows for the reimbursement to US cities
and counties for the building of concentration camps for these mentally
ill dissidents.


The fear of the United States Government against their dissidents is
becoming more evident as many of them are beginning to sound the alarm
of events to come, and as we can see evidenced by one such report from
the SteveQuale.Com website:

“THERE IS STRONG INDICATION THAT A "BANK HOLIDAY" UNDER A DECLARATION
OF AN ECONOMIC EMERGENCY MAY BE DECLARED IN THE U.S. SOMETIME WITHIN
THE NEXT 2 WEEKS AND POSSIBLY AS EARLY AS SATURDAY 10/4/2008.

THE INFORMATION INDICATES THAT IT MAY BE ANNOUNCED TO LAST A WEEK OR TWO
AND THAT ALL BANKS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WILL CLOSE DURING THAT
PERIOD. NO ACCESS TO YOUR DEPOSITS WILL BE POSSIBLE, ATMS WILL NOT WORK,
CREDIT CARDS WILL NOT WORK, AND BROKERAGE ACCOUNTS WILL NOT BE
ACCESSIBLE EITHER.



THIS WOULD BE DONE UNDER A STATE OF MARTIAL LAW THOUGH TROOPS MAY NOT
APPEAR ON ALL STREETS IMMEDIATELY UNDER THE FAINT HOPE THAT THE POPULACE
WILL SIMPLY ACCEPT THESE MATTERS, BUT THE BANKS AND FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS WILL BE HEAVILY GUARDED WHETHER OVERTLY VISIBLE OR NOT.

IF RIOTS OR CIVIL UPHEAVAL BREAK OUT, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD BE EXPECTED
IN MANY LOCALES, THEN YOU WILL SEE TROOPS, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS,
SWAT TEAMS, PRIVATE SECURITY CONTRACTORS, AND EVEN FEDERALLY AUTHORIZED
U.S. GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKERS
OPERATING UNDER THE REGIONAL MILITARY GOVERNORS OR FEMA CONTINUTITY OF
GOVERNMENT CONTROLLERS TO ATTEMPT TO PUT DOWN THE RIOTS AND UPHEVAL WITH
SANCTIONED ANY FORCE NECESSARY.

FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL 500 + EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND PRESIDENTIAL
DECISION DIRECTIVES ALREADY EXTANT AFTER THE 911 ATTACKS PROMPTED THEIR
INVOCATION BY THE PRESIDENT, PLUS ANY STANDING ORDERS UNDER FEMA COG
PLANS OR MILITARY PLANS UNDER THE CURRENT VERSIONS OF "REX 84"
......"GARDEN PLOT".....OR "CABLE SPLICER" WILL BE CARRIED OUT.

EXPECT CURFEWS , CHECK POINTS, RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVEL, CONFISCATION OF
FOOD, WATER, TRANSPORTATION, WEAPONS, COMMUNCATIONS, HOMES FOR
BILLETTING TROOPS, ALL MONEY, AND SHOOT TO KILL ORDERS IF THE REGIONAL
MILITARY GOVERNOR DEEMS IT NECESSARY. ORGANIZATION OF CIVILLIAN WORK
GANGS AND EVEN TRANSPORT TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS WILL BE SEEN IF EVENTS
GO AS THE MILITARY AND FEMA PLANNERS HAVE EXPECTED.”

Not just to US dissident websites either are these warnings being
issued, and as we can read:

“The next day, the Los Angeles Times, in an article on the Senate
passage of the bailout measure, noted in passing a statement by
Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman from the San Fernando Valley in Southern
California which underscores the authoritarian atmosphere surrounding
the proceedings in Congress.

Sherman, who voted against the bailout bill on Monday, said, “The one
thing that’s been proven is the absolute fear-mongering that’s being
used to drive us is false.” He continued, “I’ve seen members turn to
each other and say if we don’t pass this bill, we’re going to have
martial law in the United States.”


Though it is not in our knowing to the know the full outcome of these
events we can state what is plainly evident, the Untied States of
America as it was originally founded is now gone, forever.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Socha Faal story is very alarming but surely this could be more disinfo as described in the link below.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1
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The Socha Faal story is very alarming but surely this could be more disinfo as described in the link below.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1


Do the sections exist as described in the above article in the Economic Stabilisation Act or not.

I dont think the economic crisis is a hoax. Banks are collapsing left right and centre, repossessions are high and an Argentinian scenario could be on the cards...
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Banks share price Meltdown... If the banksters make it through October without a total meltdown it will be a miracle...


Rescue plan for UK banks unveiled

Gordon Brown on government help for banks and savers

The UK government has announced details of a rescue package for the banking system worth up to £50bn ($88bn).

It will initially make the extra capital available to eight of the UK's largest banks and building societies in return for preference shares in them.

It is "designed to put the British banking system on a sounder footing", said Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

But the FTSE 100 in London fell 5%. HBOS shares rose 26% but Barclays fell 11% and Standard Chartered dropped 13%.


Taking taxpayers' money will not be a licence to trade as normal
Robert Peston, BBC business editor
Read Robert Peston's blog
Treasury statement in full
World in turmoil
Parties support plan
Latest at a glance
Reaction to the plan

The key points of the plan are:

* Banks will have to increase their capital by at least £25bn and can borrow from the government to do so.
* An additional £25bn in extra capital will be available in exchange for preference shares.
* £200bn will be available in short-term loans from the Bank of England, up from £100bn.
* Up to £250bn in loan guarantees will be available at commercial rates to encourage banks to lend to each other.
* To participate in the scheme banks will have to sign up to an FSA agreement on executive pay and dividends.

Special company

Much of the current crisis has been caused by the banks' unwillingness to lend to each other, so the government hopes that if those loans can be guaranteed then lending will resume.


BANKS SIGNED UP
Abbey
Barclays
HBOS
HSBC
Lloyds TSB
Nationwide Building Society
Royal Bank of Scotland
Standard Chartered

See banking sector shares
Q&A: The bank rescue and you

"This is beginning a process of un-bunging a big problem where banks won't lend to each other for long periods," Mr Darling said.

The lenders that have confirmed they will take part in aspects of the scheme are Abbey, Barclays, HBOS, HSBC, Lloyds TSB, Nationwide Building Society, Royal Bank of Scotland and Standard Chartered.

The Treasury said that other banks and building societies would be able to apply for inclusion in the plan.

Possible profit

Preference shares pay a fixed rate of interest instead of a dividend, which has to be paid before other shareholders receive anything, but they do not carry voting rights.

Taxpayers may even end up making a profit from the shares, but that is by no means guaranteed.

BBC business editor Robert Peston said there would be strings attached for banks that take the government money.

"Taking taxpayers' money will not be a licence to trade as normal," he said.

Negotiations will take place with each participating institution that will require them to extend normal credit lines to homeowners and small businesses, in addition to rules on executive pay and dividends to other shareholders.

'Stop the panic'

It is hoped that the deal will get the money markets going again and assure the future of the banking system.

"They've got additional capital now if they want it, they've got an unlimited source of liquidity," said Terry Smith, chief executive of the money brokers, Tullett Prebon.

"That certainly should stop the panic in terms of people wondering whether or not the banks are safe."

The deal has also been welcomed by the banks.

"The government's announcement represents a very real and serious intention on the part of the authorities, following consultation with the banking industry, to bring stability and certainty to the UK banking system," HBOS said in a statement.

Barclays, Lloyds TSB and RBS also issued statement welcoming it.

HSBC also welcomed the plan but said it did not intend to use the recapitalisation scheme.
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Can we please stop quoting "Sorcha Faal", its long been exposed as a put-up job and is always unrelenting bs

Its the US troops deployed for "Crowd control" in America which is the real story, NOT b/s about Chinese ones

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Can we please stop quoting "Sorcha Faal", its long been exposed as a put-up job and is always unrelenting bs

Its the US troops deployed for "Crowd control" in America which is the real story, NOT b/s about Chinese ones


Exposed by whom and to whom?

Please clarify.
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Brown is handing all money over to them. Clearly they dont have enough


Lehman Brothers Boss Defends $484 Million in Salary, Bonus


the first Congressional hearing into the financial crisis, the former CEO of the bankrupt Lehman Brothers, Richard Fuld, became the poster boy for Wall Street greed today as he defended the $484 million he received in salary, bonuses and stock options since 2000.
How did Richard Fuld get richer as his company failed?

"Is that fair?" asked committee chairman Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) who pointed out Fuld owns a mansion in Greenwich, Connecticut, an ocean front estate on Jupiter Island, Florida, a ski chalet in Idaho and a Manhattan apartment.

"If you haven't discovered your role, you're the villain today," said Rep. John Mica (R-FL).

Fuld said given the collapse of Lehman Brothers and its now worthless stock, his actual holdings were closer to $350 million.

"That's still a lot of money," he told the hearing.

Fuld said he took "full responsibility" for the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and "felt horrible" about it.

Related
Prepared Testimony of Richard S. Fuld, Jr.
Bleeding Green: The Long Fall of Fuld

But Fuld said he has yet to understand why the federal government helped to bail out the AIG insurance company and other investment banking firms, but did not do so a few days earlier to save Lehman Brothers.

"Until the day they put me in the ground, I will wonder," Fuld told the Congressional panel, seeming to seethe with anger.

"This is a pain that will stay with me the rest of my life."

In his opening remarks, Waxman lambasted both Fuld and Lehman.

Internal documents obtained by the committee, Waxman said, "portray a company in which there was no accountability for failure."

Waxman cited an e-mail exchange among top Lehman executives. After someone sent an e-mail suggesting that Lehman's top management give up their bonuses, both Fuld and George H. Walker, a member of Lehman's executive committee and a cousin of President Bush, sent e-mails disagreeing with the suggestion.

Walker, according to Waxman, replied by writing, "Sorry team. I'm not sure what's in the water at 605 Third Avenue today. … I'm embarrassed and I apologize."

Waxman said that Fuld "mocked" the suggestion by adding, "Don't worry – they are only people who think about their own pockets."

Waxman also cited a request submitted to Lehman's compensation committee four days before the firm filed for bankruptcy. The request, he said, recommended that the board give three departing executives over $20 million in "special payments."

"In other words, even as Mr. Fuld was pleading with Secretary Paulson for a federal rescue, Lehman continued to squander millions on executive compensation," Waxman said. Very Happy
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What will be 'unique' in this crisis is that it wont affect one
western economy but all of them together.

In the 1930's during the Depression in Britain the prices of goods
actually fell. Now they are rising constantly.
Hyperinflation in the basics, asset price deflation in property and
the freezing of bank loans to an indebted economy will create the
conditions of a tripple whammy.

Its not a re-run of Germany, but a global Germany. How by handing over
money to banksters this is going to restore 'confidence' in the
market?

Everyone knows the system is a busted flush in particular the
banksters as all their accounting is made up. They are pretending it
isn't, to squeeze the last pennies out of those still fortunate to
hold a job. How they can get people working on zero wages will be one
of the banking miracles of this period...

Negative equity is about to hit millions. Banks will ask for their
money back on top of what the one eyed bandit Brown is giving them.

Not only do they want the shirts off everybodys back they want their
trousers as well. Well they aint going to get them without a fight.
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From John McDonnel MP probably the last bastion of sanity in the House of Cards called Parliament...


Reckless with our money
The government, in effect, is handing over
taxpayers' money to the very people who led these banks to the brink
of collapse


John McDonnell MP guardian.co.uk, Wednesday October
08 ... :00 BST Article historyThe British government has
announced a £50bn part-nationalisation scheme. As someone who has been
calling for the nationalisation of the banking sector since this
crisis began, I should be satisfied.

However, as more details of this package emerge left economists and
Labour MPs are increasingly alarmed. The deal is incredibly reckless:
the government will only take preference shares in the banks in
exchange for a massive investment of taxpayers' cash. The only
potential advantage for taxpayers is in dividend payments, if there
are any, crucially though the government will have no controlling
stake. This in effect is handing over taxpayers' money to the very
people who led these banks to the brink of collapse.

If the government is injecting public money, it should also take the
right to oversee board appointments, executive pay, and future
business operations. The government argues that by taking preference
shares, the taxpayer will have first call on dividends. However, the
only banks that will come forward to use this £50bn facility will be
those in trouble. The market capitalisation of these banks has only
been sustained at all by the prospect of a government bail out. Many
of these banks are actually bust. Therefore there will be no
dividends, we are throwing good public money after bad.

The government should be ensuring the public is protected through cuts
in consumer borrowing rates – ensuring that people do not default on
their debt and mortgage payments; giving a no-repossession guarantee,
providing people with a "right to stay" in their homes – by converting
repossessions to social rentals; and securing the jobs of those
workers now threatened with redundancy as their bosses' kamikaze
capitalism unravels.

But to do that, we would have to take a controlling stake. We should
have nationalised to stabilise, with control for the taxpayer to have
scrutiny of the banks' accounts, representation on the boards, a pay
cap for bank directors and the end of excessive bonuses.

This may prop up a failing system in the short term, but in the medium
to long term this deal will have to be paid for and this can only come
through either tax rises or (more likely) through public expenditure
cuts. This will exacerbate the recession by reducing demand. So while
the package might prop up the banks in the short term, it risks
further damaging the entire economy in the long term.

This deal is like your neighbour going on a massive spending binge –
throwing a party, buying a new car, going on holiday – and then
sending you the bill. Taxpayers will end up paying doubly, once
through loose subsidies to dodgy banks and the second time as the
recession bites and they risk losing their jobs, homes and going
further into debt.

At that point they will rightly be asking the government: "Where is
the bailout for the British public?"
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One eyed Bandit Brown handing it all over to the Banksters.

Japanese stock markets have plunged by 25% in one week.
This is 1929 now openly in a major advanced economy.

This by all amounts will spread to here in the next two weeks despite all the measures taken by Brown.

Stocks collapsing mean the end of assets prices for businesses and the end of restructruring new loans.

By buying shares of collapsing banks Brown is just handing money to the banksters openly as if it is a daylight robbery.

This is what he meant when he said he will implement a new world order countless of times.

A nobody from some regional outpost of the UK he is trying to outdo another compatriot from another era, McDonald in the 1930's.

The irony is when people ask for more money he will plead I aint got none as the banksters took it ie he gave it to them.
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Can we please stop quoting "Sorcha Faal", its long been exposed as a put-up job and is always unrelenting bs

Its the US troops deployed for "Crowd control" in America which is the real story, NOT b/s about Chinese ones


Exposed by whom and to whom?

Please clarify.


Sure

This took all of 10 seconds to find

I will leave it to you to go and find more if you wish to investigate further

As a source Faal is utterly unreliable

Quote:
http://www.free-conversant.com/realtruth/2106

Hi Bruce and list,
A would not take ANYTHING that Sorchal Faal states as even
REMOTELY truthful. Her/his purpose is to disrupt, distract and
disorient, while creating fear:

Sorcha Faal/'Russian Reporter", aka: agent provocateur named David
Booth from N.H., also apparently behind the Planet X fraud back in 2003:
(Excerpt) Link:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/
viewtopic.php?t=4405&sid=93e1e421a0961ae8a48bcb769f8aca2d
...Sorcha Faal turns out to be a nom de plume for David Booth, a
retired computer programmer from New Hampshire who stirred up limited
controversy in conspioracy circles with the promotion of his book �Code =20
Red: The Coming Destruction of the United States 2004.�Booth claimed
the book originated in a �consecutive ten day dream he alleged he
experienced in 2003 in which he saw a large sized planetary body pass
close to Earth causing an explosion. This was then built up into the
story about �Planet X� a heretofore unknown planet in our solar system
on a very long, elliptical orbit. In May 2003, it was alleged by the
lunatic fringe that the non-existant �Planet X� would pass close enough
to the Earth to affect it in some way, causing it to flip over (what
many call a "pole shift") and spur many other huge disasters. The end
result was solemnly predicted be the deaths of many billions of people.
There are a large number of web pages, chat rooms and books about
Planet X and its horrible effects on the Earth. clip..

Also: From: http://100777.com/nwo/whatdoesitmean.com

Sorcha Faal: this person is actually the resurfaced David Booth of
Planet X fame. This is verifiable:
Registrant: PC Free, Inc., 22 Mattheson Road, Antrim, NH 03440 US
Domain name: WHATDOESITMEAN. COM
Administrative Contact: Booth, David dbooth@direcway.com
22 Mattheson Road, Antrim, NH 03440 US
603-588-2573 Fax: 603-588-6347
OpenSRS Technical Contact, NIC: nicopensrs@softcomca.com
816-10 Bay St., Toronto, ON M5J2R8 CA
Registration Service Provider: SoftCom Technology Consulting Inc.,
domains@myhosting.com
Domain servers in listed order:
NS5. SOFTCOMCA. COM 168.144.1.155
NS6. SOFTCOMCA. COM 168.144.68.6

Lastly from:
http://www.mail-archive.com/political-research@yahoogroups.com/
msg06508.html

From: Sean McBride:
I'll wager that David Booth (and Sorcha Faal) is a figurehead or
front for an intelligence agency.
From: Rosalee Grable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Sorcha Faal" is David Booth in drag. His "Planet X" prophesies
fell flat on their butt and finally he was completely discredited so a
little wardrobe change and lipstick, and we've got Sorcha Faal, a
"russian" who uses a great deal of American English contemporary
slang, all considered. Check out Web.archive.org
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://whatdoesitmean.com
If you read closely enough, you can even figure out when David Booth
got it's sex change.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22david+booth%22+%22planet+x%22
In a more innocent time, Booth's success was because of his ability to
successfully prophesize. To todays eyes, that would look like a
foreknowledge wielding perp.
From: Sean McBride:
Isn't it reasonable to assume that Sorcha Faal is a professional
disinformation op, probably run by an intelligence committee of some
kind? clip..

Sorcha Faal/David Booth: Promoting Fear & Anxiety, A True Servant of
the Illuminati
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/
sorchafaalpracticalguidetosurvive07jan06.shtml
January 7, 2006
Someone sent me yet another 'The Sky is Falling' operetta written
by Sorcha Faal ("as reported to her Russian subscribers"). I'm amazed
by the number of people who are sucked in by this rank promoter of doom
& gloom anxiety; a fear monger in the fullest sense of the word. Sure,
she raises front page concerns and issues, but these "issues" are
CREATED and generated by the Illuminati in order to manipulate you into
following THEIR scripted agenda-which is to get you to run around in
circles in a continuous state of apprehension and insecurity. Don't be
mislead by people who attempt to posture themselves as 'fearless
reporters', such as Ms. Faal. She and others like her are MINIONS of
the Illuminati propaganda apparatus. Use your brains and recognize that
these propagandists are trying to sow anxiety, fear, and uncertainty in
order to keep you off balance and misdirect you down a rabbit hole
brimming with orchestrated terror scenarios, exaggerations, and
obfuscations. ..Ken Adachi

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On Sunday, March 16, 2008, at 01:55 PM, Bruce Tanner wrote:

> Spitzer's track record is simply marvelous! He was an enemy of War
> Street. He was an enemy of the international central bankers, the House
> of Rothschild/Rockefeller NWO promoters. He was investigating the 9/11
> fraud perpetrated by the Cheney-Bush crime machine. He was threatening
> the international bankers, looking into the 9/11 insurance fraud of
> Larry Silverstein, and as Russian journalist -
>
>
> http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1077.htm<http://
> www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1077.htm
>
> Sorcha Faal points out, was imperiling the New York State pension fraud
> scam perpetrated by GOP/Israeli operative, Alan G. Hevesi, an Israeli
> citizen and New York State Comptroller, and standing up to the Zionist
> Establishment.
>
> Faal, in her piece entitled, "New York Governor 'Destroyed' Over Threat
> to Probe 9/11Attacks Against US," writes, "Reports consuming the US
> propaganda media organs and political elite today are centering upon
> the
> charges leveled against the Governor of New York, Eliot Spitzer, and
> who
> is said to have paid for the services of a high priced prostitute.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can we please stop quoting "Sorcha Faal", its long been exposed as a put-up job and is always unrelenting bs

Its the US troops deployed for "Crowd control" in America which is the real story, NOT b/s about Chinese ones

John - the fact that "Sorcha Faal" is a well known source of disinfo bs has been pointed out to conspiracy analyst many times before. and as you say it's not exactly difficult to verify this fact....

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=david+booth+sorcha+faal&btnG=Go ogle+Search&meta=

but sadly, he/she/it just claims to be none the wiser each time (as above) - and just continues posting more of the same drivel all over the forum....

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conspiracy Analyst - what are your thoughts on this Sorcha Faal.....?

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The Socha Faal story is very alarming but surely this could be more disinfo as described in the link below.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1


Do the sections exist as described in the above article in the Economic Stabilisation Act or not.
I dont think the economic crisis is a hoax. Banks are collapsing left right and centre, repossessions are high and an Argentinian scenario could be on the cards...

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Conspiracy Analyst - what are your thoughts on this Sorcha Faal.....?

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The Socha Faal story is very alarming but surely this could be more disinfo as described in the link below.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1


Do the sections exist as described in the above article in the Economic Stabilisation Act or not.
I dont think the economic crisis is a hoax. Banks are collapsing left right and centre, repossessions are high and an Argentinian scenario could be on the cards...


In my opinion it is a Russian front. Who owns it and who runs it from the information provided on the net one cannot prove anything.

Who is David Booth then? Where does he work?

David Icke talks about lizards, he is no less or no more disinfo. Yet everything he says aint bs. The same with Sorcha Fall. I am interested in the sections of information which can be double checked
on this site

http://wikileaks.org/leak/us-ecnomic-stabalizaton-act-draft-2008-9-28. pdf

There is a financial collapse occuring which some people want to pretend aint happening. This is the root of the problem and burying info from a variety of sources is what is at stake.
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There is a financial collapse occuring which some people want to pretend aint happening


It's hardly denying a financial collapse is happening to call bs on claims of Chinese military operating on US soil... especially when it is just a claim, with no corroborating evidence

Neither is it denying what is happening, whatever that might be, to look to explore the strongest information sources, not the weakest

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's hardly denying a financial collapse is happening to call bs on claims of Chinese military operating on US soil... especially when it is just a claim, with no corroborating evidence

Neither is it denying what is happening, whatever that might be, to look to explore the strongest information sources, not the weakest


I highlighted the sections which I thought were important. If you dont like them say why. You have tainted the whole site as being a hoax by coming up with a name garnered from the internet called David Booth with no corroborating evidence either.

Today three reports in Business Observer are illuminating
G7 Nations go cap in hand to China...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/12/imf-china-bailout

Americas latest exports: empty municipal coffers or how the Councils over there aint gonna be able to pay the wages of their employees...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/12/usa-government-borrowin g

Finally Why didn't the City journalists see the financial crisis coming?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oct/12/pressandpublishing-creditc runch

Now taking into account I have contributed and set up discussion pieces on this site since last year regarding the financial crash, because you as an individual do not like Sorcha Faal I cannot help you there. I do. If you want to block it or erase it by all means do. But lets not pretend you have proven beyond reasonable doubt to everybody reading this that Sorcha Fall aint a russian front, but produced by someone else on his own personal behalf...
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Look mate, its very easy, Faal is called for being bs, you asked why, Ive shown you why, what Faal writes is far too removed from what can be called true

Thats fine for ATS or some other conspiracy theory hobby site but its not fine to be posted without challenge here

Im not challenging any other links to any other site, Im challenging Faal

That really cant be hard to understand unless you deliberately dont want to

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Look mate, its very easy, Faal is called for being bs, you asked why, Ive shown you why, what Faal writes is far too removed from what can be called true

Thats fine for ATS or some other conspiracy theory hobby site but its not fine to be posted without challenge here

Im not challenging any other links to any other site, Im challenging Faal

That really cant be hard to understand unless you deliberately dont want to


The whole of the media is bs.
Not a single well known financial journalist predicted a financial meltdown.

You can challenge what you want. Its your prerogative.

What I am against is pre-selected censorhip under dubious 'evidence' of a name that appears on the internet called David Booth.

You seem to want to argue that if I upload an article from a myriad of sources I agree with them/support them. Then you take it a step further.

Today Sorchaa argues the stock markets will plunge by another 20% this coming week. If they do, you will have had a hidden agenda. I will cease to talk about this subject again or ever mention Sorcha on this site.
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Yeah, what a no-brainer, so does every other alternative outlet on the planet

That doesn't give the rest of the pile of horse any credibility

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Might be wrong here dead cat bounce underway started in oz and Asia will wall st open today columbus day ?....for some unknown reason Iceland market didn't open and Columbus wasn't there...
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Why is Iceland being set up for a staging post for Russian Military power?
Surely if they search help from Russia we can expect closer military co-operation? Especially as the country stands strategicaly as a wedge between US and UK ties??

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LaRouche Segment from Vesti Nedeli (News of the Week) program on Russian TV, October 5, 2008

Oct. 5, 2008 (EIRNS)—This release was issued today by the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee (LPAC).

The Vesti Nedeli (News of the Week) program on Russia's national TV Rossiya channel put American economist Lyndon LaRouche on the air today, in a segment about the current global financial meltdown. In excerpts from an interview with TV Rossiya correspondent Konstantin Syomin, LaRouche laid out the inevitability of the total demise of the current financial system, likely by the end of this year. The emergency alternative, said LaRouche in the broadcast, "would require that the United States would have to go to Russia, China, and India. If they agree on reorganizing the international financial- monetary system, we could solve the problem. This would mean going to a Roosevelt approach, to a kind of new Bretton Woods system."

Vesti Nedeli is the weekly, Sunday prime-time news round-up program on TV Rossiya, whose regular viewing audience numbers 70 million people. Throughout today's program, anchorman Yevgeni Revenko drew attention to the proposals by Russian President Dmitri Medvedev for a new financial architecture, as well as Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's insistance that spurring the real economy, as opposed to financial crisis-management, is the key to a lasting solution.

The lead segment on Vesti Nedeli reported on Medvedev's talks with Angela Merkel in St. Petersburg this week, where Medvedev called for "collective decisions" on the financial crisis. Introducing Syomin's segment on the crisis in the U.S.A., with a focus on the Paulson bailout plan, Revenko noted that at yesterday's meeting of Germany, France, Italy and Britain — the EU members who are also in the Group of 8 — President Nicolas Sarkozy of France had called for convoking, very soon, an expanded summit of the G-8, including Brazil, China, India, South Africa, Mexico, and possibly South Korea and Australia.

Syomin presented a picture of a U.S. population, shaken by sudden unemployment. Against the clownish interaction of Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi over the "bailout" plan, Vesti Nedeli counterposed Vatican Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone, talking about morality in economics. Syomin stressed that the problem is not just debt, but "trillions of derivatives, which are devilishly complex financial obligations that turned out to be simply fictitious."

Then came the section featuring Lyndon LaRouche's remarks:

'This system, in its present form, is virtually extinct. This system will not live out, probably, this year. By the first of the year, we may have a broken-down international financial- monetary system. The question is, what is the alternative to a collapse? It means a reorganization, on an emergency basis, of the entire international monetary-financial system. It would require that the United States would have to go to the three largest nations, outside itself, which would be Russia, China, and India. If [they] agree on reorganizing the international financial-monetary system, we could solve the problem. This would mean going to a Roosevelt approach, to a kind of new Bretton Woods system,' the economist Lyndon LaRouche is convinced.

The mention of Franklin Roosevelt is to the point. The current collapse most resembles the Great Depression of 1929. So, it would seem, it's just the right time for a Democratic President to appear and propose another New Deal for government intervention in the economy. But instead of Roosevelt, today there are Obama and McCain, and instead of a New Deal, the Bush-Paulson plan.

[Speaker at a street rally:] 'How much are they getting into our pockets for? Our homes are getting foreclosed, and they're bailing out the corporations!' [Trade unionist:] 'I'm here to oppose this nationalization. This is redistribution for the wealthy.' Ordinary Americans are upset.

'Remember that the proposal for this legislation was defeated, on Monday, in the House of Representatives. Now, this reflected that 70% of the voting population of the United States hates what is being proposed by the Bush administration at this time. The popularity of political Washington, the capital, among the ordinary citizens of the United States, has dropped to below 10%. [In written transcript, not aired: We're in a revolutionary situation, in which less than 10% of the U.S. population agrees with the policies of the government, and hates their government on the grounds of this policy,]' noted Lyndon LaRouche."

Syomin strongly suggested that the Congress buckled, out of political and physical fear of Wall Street. The broadcast segment quoted Italian analyst Giuletto Chiesa, on the danger of war being very great. The written transcript also cited LaRouche on this danger.

Syomin cited the threat of coups and violence, as shown during the Great Depression by the coup attempt against President Franklin Roosevelt, which Smedley Butler exposed.

`A group of bankers and military men who were against the New Deal wanted to set up a dictatorship,' said this most unusual broadcast on Russian state television. `Among the plotters was the grandfather of the current President, Prescott Bush.'

Transiting from Syomin's report to a concluding report on the Russian Central Bank's crisis measures of the past week, Revenko linked LaRouche's remarks to President Medvedev's initiatives:

`As you see, serious American economists are also talking about the formation of a new financial architecture. I remind you that President Dmitri Medvedev brought this up at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum,' earlier this year.
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Why is Iceland being set up for a staging post for Russian Military power?
Surely if they search help from Russia we can expect closer military co-operation? Especially as the country stands strategicaly as a wedge between US and UK ties??


MSN says 100 million lend from UK so must have seen this post Laughing

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Look mate, its very easy, Faal is called for being bs, you asked why, Ive shown you why, what Faal writes is far too removed from what can be called true

Thats fine for ATS or some other conspiracy theory hobby site but its not fine to be posted without challenge here

Im not challenging any other links to any other site, Im challenging Faal

That really cant be hard to understand unless you deliberately dont want to

the "sorcha faal" stuff originates from this website....

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/

and if you read "sorcha's" disclaimer page it even gives you a huge clue about the nature of the site....

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index677.htm

"Some events depicted in certain articles on this website are fictitious and any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental. Some other articles may be based on actual events but which in certain cases incidents, characters and timelines have been changed for dramatic purposes. Certain characters may be composites, or entirely fictitious."


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Why is Iceland being set up for a staging post for Russian Military power?
Surely if they search help from Russia we can expect closer military co-operation? Especially as the country stands strategicaly as a wedge between US and UK ties??


MSN says 100 million lend from UK so must have seen this post Laughing


When someone goes bust would you then run to loan them more money?
Absolute garbage. Its trying to put on a brave face to the fact that Iceland has gone bust. And how to use it against working people by firing them from their jobs under the guise of our money got lost.

They are now trying to claim that the interest from these funds paid wages ie payroll...
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Browns latest move of buying up shares in banks may provisionally arrest the destruction of shares but in reality this wont last indefinitely.

As the volume of fictitious capital which is traded is so great that when that comes short the collapse of the banks will look like withdrawing £10 from a bank and bankrupting it.

By positioning 25% of the whole of UK GDP at the behest of the banksters who created the crisis, the pirate Brown is pretending he is now the knight on a white horse.

Its like putting Dracula in charge of a bloodbank. Brown will not be happy UNTIL he has bankrupted everything and left a dustbowl in its wake.
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Iceland seeks Russian, Nordic help as shares fall

Tue Oct 14, 3:45 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081014/ts_nm/us_financial_iceland

REYKJAVIK/MOSCOW (Reuters) - Iceland drew on Nordic help to get foreign currency on Tuesday and held talks with Russia over a possible loan to stave off a crisis that has left its economy near collapse.

As Iceland looks abroad for help, some ministers have also raised the idea of European Union membership, long resisted by the island's fishing sector, to safeguard the economy.

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Bank shares continue to fall...

Despite pumping in billions today the bank shares continued to collapse.
Allegedly dividend payments were not to be made because of the state bailout.

So why bother holding onto shares?
A bailout by the state encourages then a bank run of collapsing shares.
The government has just paid billions in order to see them leave the front door.
Which is exactly what these 'bailouts' are about.

Restoring the share price provisionally of banks so the big investors can get out.
Years ago this American trick was played on various stock exchanges around the world.
The big guys artificially inflated the markets by buying up shares. Their paid hirelings in the media
promoted various shares and encouraged people to buy these shares by getting into debt.
Once the share price hit the price the big boys had decided beforehand they withdrew their shares making a killing.

Now the opposite is happening. The banksters realise their banks are going to the wall so the ask the government for a bailout, increase the share price momentarily and then start selling their shares like hotcakes to get out of a collapsing bank.

Brown whose only qualification to banking was once being in the student union bar is playing the game fully...
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