The maker of this film seems to be promoting an age which is foretold in the very same belief system that he refuted in the original film.
In the first Z., he professed to show us how Christ (an amalgamation of earlier myths) mirrors closely the procession of the equinox's 'age of Pisces' and therefore Christianity is nothing more than astro-theology.
The next age as most will be aware by now is Aquarius, a supposed age of Utopia, when Man is in harmony with himself and his creations (technology). The idea of man in harmony with technology is a major message in this film. Is the film-maker therefore an astro-theologist?
I understand that the current monetary system has inbuilt obsolescence and can never promote a world of sustainability. With the consumerism-express running out of fuel, is it fair to say that rather than just abandon the system, those at the apex would rather just get rid of us and start all over again?
It's an incredibly thought provoking and emotional reaction provoking film. After digestion I can see a lot wrong with some of what he was proposing, but that said I would still recommend anyone to watch it - as it really challenges our own ideas and asks people to consider things they might not have before, whether or not they agree with it all. _________________
This is part of the problem. Nature's present rule is 'Survival of the Fittest' or 'Do what thou wilt be the whole of the law'. Humanity is sinking back to that bestial level now.
We have a duty as humans to rise above the nature of animals.
This is part of the problem. Nature's present rule is 'Survival of the Fittest' or 'Do what thou wilt be the whole of the law'. Humanity is sinking back to that bestial level now.
We have a duty as humans to rise above the nature of animals.
You're deluded I thought we had then the mirage of Media was Smashed!! _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
God, I love the symbolic ending. BTW, if listened to carefully this movie is not anti-God! _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates
Zeitgeist 1 - "Religion is just astrotheology, Christianity is just a phase
in the Procession of the Equinoxes, based on the 'Age of
Pisces'. We have been deceived..."
Zeitgeist 2 - "We should all live in an Age of Aquarius like technotopia..."
I see from their shots of the classroom that they haven't been inside one for years. Also, the comment about those of 'higher intelligence' reminds me of the genetic engineering for higher intelligence which is being promoted in schools material (presumably only for those who can afford it).
From the film, about 1:30.
Quote:
Our philosophy is the smarter people are the richer the world....The smarter your kids are the better my life will be
What is eugenics and why was Francis Galton interested in the subject?
Is it unethical? Why or why not?
Is eugenics a realistic possibility?
Could we really breed a race of super-intelligent humans?
I hear that Kissinger is very intelligent.
I have a lot of difficulty with people who dictate how equal we can all be.
Some interesting comments on Zeitgeist Addendum here:
Yes, the article on freedom-force (of which I'm a follower) sums it up nicely in my view.
I'm very concerned about the Addendum and surprised at just how much people are gobbling it up. I didn't find it particularly thought-provoking as it is fairly clear how unrealistic the Venus Project is. It describes fairly well how our monetary system is flawed and corrupt, but the rest of the film reminded me of Al Gore and his Inconveniant Truth - I wonder whether the Addendum is just another attempt at Environmentalism or Socialism - in either system or in the Venus Project there will need to be somebody coercing us to live a life like that described. Surely, if the monetary system is flawed, based on debt and designed by bankers for bankers, the solution is to fix the monetary system so that it is designed by people for people. Queue the Austrian school of Economics, Edward G. Griffin and Ron Paul. There is nothing wrong with money as a concept, it is after all just a replacement for goods and services.
If ever we do end up in the Venus Project, I hope I'm one of those 90% that's not working.
did anyone catch the alex jones show yesterday? I won't be able to download it until tonight, but he was promising a 2 hour discussion/debate with Peter Joseph (the guy who mde Zeitgeist). Alex spent about an hour going through parts of "addendum" last week in a very disapproving manner so it could be worth a listen....
chakra's torrents always download very quickly for me and include the behind the scenes discussions during commercial breaks.... _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde
I've been listening. Alex, having trailed it as a sensible discussion with someone he was prepared to respect etc etc, in my view totally blew it by being rude, interrupting, sneering and mocking throughout. I felt sorry for the guy, although I disagreee with him totally, especially on the anti christian content of Zeitgeist. But hey, he's not a christian Alex!
But hang on....
He did pull it round a bit towards the end. But turns out he hadn't done his research, and guess what? Listen to today's broadcast. Zeitgeist is "totally NWO". I kid you not! The rabbit hole goes deeper.....
Jones has been saying for a while now that the "gloves are off" with people he disagrees with.
Both film makers have some good things and not so good things to say imo.
If "evil" is 'natured' then how can we ever hope to change things without altering nature?
If "evil" is 'nurtured' then where does it come from? Nurture is nature ultimately.
Zeitgeist Addendum seems to suggest that the 'men behind the curtain', as mentioned in the original film, will somehow surrender their power and allow us all to live equally in a technotopia.
I find this idea highly unlikely. But ideas are worthwhile.
Jones seems to think that the men behind the curtain should be battled and beaten. But who takes their place? In Jones' world, evil is in the genes. Therefore once we eject the current Them from the White House/Downing St, whoever takes their place will eventually become the same greed-driven Overlords as we had before.
True freedom is the freedom to be greed-driven Overlords afterall.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject:
Zeitgeist Movement?
What an unpleasant thought.
Maybe that's the plan - but who is doing the planning? And threatening critics of the original film with legal action?
The first five minutes are painfully, cringingly pretentious, then it got better. The Moneymasters did a far better analysis more than 10 years ago.
Isn't original Zeitgeist simply an anti-Muslim Jewish, Christian... rather sophisticated Trojan Horse? ie you can have the truth so long as you lace it with spiritual cyanide.
The creators of the money problem's version of the analysis?
Stefan wrote:
I think the Zeitgeist Movement will be the start of it all.
I sense some confusion in the first part of your post: you are referring to eugenics and 'higher intelligence', when all the 'Waking life' clip is talking about is the evolution of human consciousness.
Plus we all know that without compassion, intelligence means nothing.
And yes, the 'Addendum' vision does sound like a collectivist technocratic utopia: no State, no property, no money.
I'm not holding my breath for it to happen, but it's a grand vision nevertheless.
Nice link to Griffin's discussion, where he insightfully suggests that...
Quote:
At one point the narrator even says that the greatest evil in the world today is "the free enterprise system." That's an incredible statement, especially inasmuch as the free enterprise system has been dead for several decades. It lives in name only.
The whole world now is in the grips of non-competitive monopolies and cartels that have forged partnerships with governments. All of the evils to which this program alludes are the result, not of the free enterprise system, but of the abandonment of free enterprise and the adoption of collectivism.
But hang on....
He did pull it round a bit towards the end. But turns out he hadn't done his research, and guess what? Listen to today's broadcast. Zeitgeist is "totally NWO". I kid you not! The rabbit hole goes deeper.....
Yep - he's now talking about how he was "too nice" to Peter Joseph on Wednesday and inviting him back to really have a go at him - as well as making a video to debunk Zeitgeist....
I found both the Z films interesting in parts, but have serious doubts about Joseph's notion that our world of several billion people could somehow make the transition from where we are now to his envisioned utopia.... _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Joseph
The maker of Zeitgeist sounded like a reasonable guy on the Alex Jones show. Shame I can't say the same about Alex Jones who came off as a raving lunatic - he does the movement no favours when he goes on like that.
I still think the solution described in Zeitgeist is both idealistic and dangerous, but having listened to him I understand where he's coming from. He's basically saying that a genuine free market economy will always become corrupted due to the money element, and I have trouble disagreeing with that point of view, even though I still think a true free market is the best we can hope for. But how on earth would we progress to the solution he described? It sounds impossible unless we are all brainwashed.
Why do so many people get rapped up in one film, one point of view?
I respect the guys 1st attempt I still haven't seen this one yet
Some one sent this point of view so I will share here too!
Hmm Blavatsky must have been very busy though she is blamed for soo much! Even the 3rd Reich see Occult History Of The Third Reich
Biggest complaint of this film is the subtitles roll over to quick
They are misleading you...
Zeitgeist The Movie Part 1 (part one on religion) insinuates that the story of Jesus is merely a drop in the bucket of many saviors with the same story. That they were all born on Dec 25th, crucified, ressurected etc...
I found it SHOCKING! Sooooo shocking that I spent a month and a half of my life researching the valididty and sources of the claims and this is what I found.
I want to extend a personal thank you to my friend Drakul from the David Icke forums, for lighting the spark.
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MUSIC:
The song is from female Japanese composer Kenji Kawai.
Yes it is from an anime.
I believe it is track 10 on Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence Soundtrack.
You can find more information about Kenji Kawai at her official website: http://www.kenjikawai.com
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References by request from my friend ecstatica23:
Note: I may add to this list as Im positive Ive left something out
Dr. Norman Geisler writes, "The first real parallel of a dying and rising god does not appear until A.D. 150, more than a hundred years after the origin of Christianity.
Dr. Gary Habermas and Dr. J.P. Moreland write, "Not one clear case of any alleged resurrection teaching appears in any pagan text before the late second century A.D., almost one hundred years after the New Testament was written."
Charlie Campbell says, "To insist that Jesus Christ is a myth—that He never existed—as the Zeitgeist movie does, is foolish. Beside the twenty seven New Testament documents that verify He lived, there are thirty nine sources outside of the Bible, written within 150 years of Jesus life that mention Him. These sources include the Jewish Talmud, the Roman historian Tacitus, the Didache, Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, the Gnostic gospels (e.g., the gospel of Thomas), etc. These extrabiblical sources reveal to us more than 100 facts about His life, teaching, death and even resurrection."
Alice Bailey:
http://www.lucistrust.org/ (UN NGO)
The Destiny of the Nations by Alice A Bailey
Discipleship in the New Age 2 Volumes by Alice A Bailey
The Externalization of the Hierarchy by Alice A. Bailey
The Reappearance of the Christ by Alice A. Bailey
On Masons deceiving:
Albert Pike, father of the Scottish Rite, writes: "Masonry conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it...."
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_________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
Hmm Blavatsky must have been very busy though she is blamed for soo much! Even the 3rd Reich see Occult History Of The Third Reich.
Biggest complaint of this film is the subtitles roll over to quick!
vlomp gets a thumbs up so far, but cheers for posting. BTW I still haven't seen Addendum but I enjoyed the 1st Zeitgeist. The main thing we should be preaching is tollerance not I'm more holier than thou
_________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
See what I mean
Anyhow this shortie is much better! It doesn't attack any individual people but is in tune with what you believe!
It does make sence but it also doesn't say Zeitgeist is a component of the NWO it leaves it up to the indevidual
PS you know full well throughout History Christian Leaders have been some of the foulest people to walk the Earth!! _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
I sense some confusion in the first part of your post: you are referring to eugenics and 'higher intelligence', when all the 'Waking life' clip is talking about is the evolution of human consciousness.
Plus we all know that without compassion, intelligence means nothing.
Extensive scientific research has demonstrated that on an average day in June, the average human brain is capable of remembering at most one thought from a commencement speech. But since today is cooler than average, and West Pointers are definitely above average
and whether it has anything to do with what Lee Silver suggests:
We can produce mice that have much, much greater learning and memory ability. In theory, we can use the same technology on human embryos to provide all sorts of health advantages to the children that emerge from those embryos. And we can go beyond that. Once we understand the genes behind personality behavior and cognitive traits, parents are going to be able to give their kids all sorts of cognitive advantages in life.
It's the third time I have heard this about 'higher intelligence' and in places where it is likely to be highly influential; the film 'The Farm Revealed' and 'Zeitgeist Addendum'.
I sense some confusion in the first part of your post: you are referring to eugenics and 'higher intelligence', when all the 'Waking life' clip is talking about is the evolution of human consciousness.
Plus we all know that without compassion, intelligence means nothing.
Our philosophy is the smarter people are the richer the world....The smarter your kids are the better my life will be
You're taking the 'higher intelligence' issue out of context according to my interpretation: the narrator at that point tries to allude to the symbiotic, non-competitive state of things in a resource-based economy.
A smarter kid down the road is no longer a competitor for your kids, because there is no competition.
Instead, it is a valuable addition to the human intelligence pool, aimed at maximizing the common good.
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