Very sorry Gruts: I was going to quote you, but only the first part of your post, and accidentally edited instead removing your other links from your opening post!
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject:
Having arsed up Gruts opening, this was what I actually wanted to say:
You know we really should listen to this interview, because it is partially so fascinating in the sections between being live and only being on the net, where Alex knows people are still listening and Naomi thinks she's talking to him off the record. In some ways, Jones is a git
But the acceleration of what we are seeing is shocking, and I for one consider Naomi's shock to be completely genuine, and in part educational for how someone who thought they knew how the world is is finding out the world is much much more _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
it's great interview in a number of ways - jones can be such a numpty at times ("call up watson now!" etc) but at other times he's right on the money - and it's such a good example of 2 people who are not natural allies by any stretch of the imagination, finding themselves on the same page about the really important issues that are threatening us all.... _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject:
Naomi Wolf gives WeAreChangeLA a message for 9/11 truth
On October 7, 2008, Naomi Wolf was at Vroman's bookstore in Pasadena, California to give a talk and sign her new book "Give Me Liberty." Stewart Howe, of WeAreChangeLA, was on hand and asked Ms. Wolf to give a message to the truth and accountability movement.
After admitting that she had no theory about what actually happened on 9/11, Ms. Wolf stated that no question should be off the table in a free society and saluted the movement's desire to seek truth and accountability.
She said that, being that the 9/11 Commissioners had disavowed some of their findings because much was based on information gained from torture, there should be a new investigation. Her experience as a resident of Lower Manhattan with the EPA's lies about the toxic environment after 9/11 showed her that this administration is capable of hurting American citizens.
She finished by stating that, while in Seattle, she had met a firefighter who started http://firefightersfor911truth.org and that the existence of firefighters questioning 9/11 gave great credibility to these questions.
How can she stay so dispassionate when saying the following:
Quote:
I live ten blocks from Ground Zero... I know that this administration is capable of hurting Americans deliberately, because they lied to us in Lower Manhattan; they sent Christie Whitman to say that the air is safe to breathe; and my son Joey now has respiratory disease as do many kids in Lower Manhattan who took off their masks because of this administration -- so they are capable of hurting citizens.
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Manchester
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject:
A really nasty hit-piece by Naomi Wolf?
I couldn’t be bothered reading this again, or analysing it, but I think Naomi Wolf has finally taken off the mask. It’s the linking of “conspiracy theorists” to anti-semitism in 1930s Germany which I find particularly repugnant.
Same old - same old
Naomi's nice line with WAC, and the same old backline of leftist conspiracy stereotyping
What an unending bore
Pity these people will see the picture far too late for their own salvation
Courage up, folks _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
it's unrealistic to expect somebody like naomi wolf to move too far away from the mainstream for her own comfort - but that doesn't negate the value of the ideas she has presented in "end of america" and "give me liberty" and the courage she's shown in doing so.
I agree with kevin Ryan's comment at the bottom of the GT article....
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"Naomi"
Thanks for your comments. Not sure how much was light and how much was heat, but undoubtedly you have been under fire since the folks at We Are Change cornered you in the bookstore and got your unfiltered opinion on tape.
Opinions are not worth much these days. For that reason, I suggest you check out the Journal of 9/11 Studies, and other research sites like 911research.com or historycommons.org. Also, for more undeniable and irrational realities, look up the undisputed facts about Operations Northwoods, the Gulk of Tonkin, and Opertaion Gladio.
Please don't try to have all the answers - nobody can do that. We need to work together, and your contributions have been greatly appreciated.
Thanks. Kevin Ryan
....and trying to nurture some common ground with a person of Wolf's stature makes more sense to me than dismissing her with snide remarks because she doesn't believe in shape shifting lizards. _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde
A mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action.
and devised eight symptoms that are indicative of groupthink:
1. Illusions of invulnerability -- creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking.
2. Rationalising warnings -- that might challenge the group's assumptions.
3. Unquestioned belief -- in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.
4. Stereotyping -- those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.
5. Direct pressure -- to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".
6. Self censorship -- of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
7. Illusions of unanimity -- among group members, silence is viewed as agreement.
8. Mindguards -- self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information. _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
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