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Every school to get Holocaust specialist under anti-racism initiative
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article5106164.ece
Joanna Sugden
Every secondary school is to get a Holocaust specialist to ensure that the subject is taught comprehensively and sensitively.
One teacher from every school will be offered a place on a Holocaust education training course to combat racism and intolerance.
One in ten of those who take the course will also be able to take a master’s degree module in Holocaust education, as part of a £1.5 million scheme run by the Institute of Education.
Teachers will discuss parts of the subject that they find difficult to teach and work on lesson plans with experts on how to broach the issue.
Stuart Foster, director of the project, said: “There are increasing concerns in society about intolerance and racism. The BNP is coming to the forefront, and there’s increased anti-Semitism.”
The initiative is designed to maintain awareness of the Nazi’s systematic massacre of the Jews during the Second World War as survivor numbers dwindle, Times Educational Supplement reports.
The project will launch on Sunday, the 70th anniversary of Kristallnacht — the night in 1938 when 91 Jews were killed, 30,000 were arrested and 191 synagogues were destroyed marking the beginning of the Nazi’s genocide of the Jewish people.
Ruth-Anne Lenga, education consultant at the Jewish Museum, said that the Holocaust was often covered very briefly by schools despite being on the school curriculum. “It could be the emotiveness of the subject worries teachers, or it raises difficult moral challenges and questions. We want to ensure there’s support.”
The project will coincide with a survey testing teachers’ knowledge of the subject and their teaching methods. It will ask teachers for their definition of “Holocaust” and whether they think teaching children about it is important.
The scheme is part of a wider Holocaust education project funded by the Government and the Pears Foundation charity. It is supported by the Holocaust Education Trust, which this year received £1.5 million from the Government to send two sixth-formers from every school to Auschwitz.
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"I also wonder if they will teach about the millions of innocent German citizens that were bombed and killed by the Brits and Americans. Was that not also a 'holocaust'?"......Kevin, San Luis Obispo, USA
"If this is about combatting 'racism and intolerance', surely it is a contradiction to focus on a single 'race' whilst researching the history of that period. And why single out the 'holocaust' for special attention? History must be studied objectively if we wish not to repeat these hideous crimes."........Chris, London, England
"The Holocaust.....the only compulsory subject in the education curriculum.
What about the Irish Famine/Genocide ...and the present day holocaust against Muslims..." TTM
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http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=127405#127405
Agreed what about today?
I hear some prol in a pub yesterday spouting that we should wipe out Iran that way we can give the struggling US and Brits jobs at re building a another State! wow whatsimplistic views these people have 
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This is 'why only one monopolies commission' syndrome, is it not? like someone said, it's racist to focus on only one genocide, like are the others less worthy? The genocide of the native Americans numbers dwarf the commonly accepted Hitler and Stalin genocides put together. Then there's Hiroshima , Nagasaki and Dresden.
How long can the mainstream media keep the 9/11 and its spin-off genocide off the list? |
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Vampire Killers ...Israel Shahak
Folk stories about vampires provide readers with various remedies to the calamity of a ghoulish attack. A fistful of graveyard dirt is favored, garlic is beneficial, and the cross is most efficient. But these remedies don't always work. In Roman Polansky's hilarious horror comedy, The Fearless Vampire Killers, the hero tries to scare off a Jewish vampire by a sign of the cross. The Jew smiles at him with a kind understanding smile, straight from Fiddler on the Roof, and bares his fangs. The cross does not ward him off. Polansky's work comes to mind as I follow the new wave of Holocaust controversies.
The "revisionist historians", who are considered by their adversaries to be "Holocaust deniers", are currently meeting in Beirut to compare their notes on Nazi genocide. The American Jewish establishment, including the Zionist Organization of America and the Anti-Defamation League, has demanded a ban on the conference. The ZOA is not against revisionism as such. This organization pioneered the art of denying history and published, at the expense of American taxpayer, a booklet called "Deir Yassin: History of a Lie".
Deir Yassin was a peaceful village the Jewish terrorist groups Etzel and Lehi attacked on the 9th of April 1948, and massacred its men, women and children. I do not want to repeat the gory tale of sliced off ears, gutted bellies, raped women, torched men, bodies dumped in stone quarries or the triumphal parade of the murderers. Existentially, all massacres are similar, from Babi Yar to Chain Gang to Deir Yassin.
ZOA revisionists have utilized all the methods of their adversaries, the "deniers": they discount the eye-witness accounts of the survivors, the Red Cross, the British police, Jewish scouts and other Jewish observers, who were present at the scene of massacre. They discount even Ben Gurion's apology, since after all, the commanders of these gangs became in their turn prime ministers of the Jewish state. For ZOA, only the testimony of the murderers has any validity. That is, if the murderers are Jews.
If the Jews are the victims, these same American Zionist organizations spare no effort in challenging revisionism. This morally dubious position was no doubt of great comfort to those who gathered in Beirut. By their flawed logic, if the Israelis are telling a tall tale about what happened in 1948, perhaps the Jewish memories of the Holocaust are also flawed. It is misplaced energy. Sure, they scored a few hits, and the tales of soap manufactured from human fat or Wiesel's fiery furnaces were laid to rest. But these Revisionists also question the actual number of Jewish victims. If only a thousand Jews or Gypsies were murdered by the Nazis, it was a thousand too many. It is hardly an important issue, as the very definition of victim is based on interpretation.
A good example of "victim definition" was provided in last weekend's Haaretz. When the Gulf war ended in 1991, there was one reported Israeli victim of the war. Today, there are officially one hundred Israelis who are recognized as victims of the Gulf war, and their dependents receive a pension at Iraqi expense. Some of the victims died of stress, some could not remove their gas masks and suffocated. The Haaretz article asserted that many more claims were declined by the Israeli authorities. That is why Michael Elkins, the ex-BBC Jerusalem correspondent and an Israeli citizen is correct in arguing that the number of victims, whether there were six or three million dead is not an issue.
The "revisionists" risked their lives and fortunes trying to undermine what they call "the Myth of the Holocaust". One can understand their interest. Nowadays, one may openly doubt the Immaculate Conception or (maybe) challenge the founding myths of Israel. Yet the cult of the Holocaust retains a unique, court-enforced prohibition against any investigation that might cast a doubt on its sacred dogma. Dogmas have a way of attracting critical minds. Still, behind this red muleta, the charging bull's horns meet thin air. The arguments on gas chambers and soap production could be very interesting, but they are quite irrelevant. Where then is the matador?
A courageous step was taken by Dr Norman Finkelstein in his best-selling expose "The Holocaust Industry". There is, however, an important distinction between Dr Finkelstein and the "revisionist historians" gathered in Beirut. Dr Finkelstein, a son of holocaust survivors, stayed away from the possibly illegal statistical controversy and concentrated on the ideological construct of the Holocaust cult.
A fat lot of good it did him. A Jewish organization called "Lawyers without Borders" has already sued him in France. These lawyers were at perfect peace, when the Israeli legal machine pronounced a six months probationary sentence on a Jewish murderer of a Gentile child. They did not move a finger when a 15-year-old girl Suad was placed in solitary confinement, refused legal aid and subjected to mental torture. They are visibly absent from Israeli military courts where a single Jewish officer can mete out long imprisonment sentence to a Gentile civilian based on undisclosed evidence. Apparently, these lawyers are aware of certain borders.
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Now please dont think or accuse me of being a Nazi sympathiser.
But here in the Zionist media controlled West, we only get the historical slant that the Jews want us to have, though thats true regarding history as written by the victors throughout mankinds history.
My grandparents on my fathers side where Prussian.
After the first world war and the treaty of Versailles they suddenly found themselves no longer citizens of Greater Germany, but citizens of Poland.
They had to flee Poland leaving all thier belongings because Etnic Germans where being massacured by Polish Jews, this is after the First World War, that is, before the Nazi attrocities against Jews in the second world war.
Here are pictures, they are quite horrific, if you have a delicate constitution, you might not want to view them,
http://judicial-inc.biz/Broooomberg_pictures.htm
It was to protect Ethnic Germans that Hitler invaded Poland.
If British people where being massacured in Poland and Churchill invaded Poland to rescue them, I wonder if we would be calling him a hero or the most evil man in history?
Heres something else I doubt they will teach in our schools, Judea declared war on Germany in 1933, the reason for this is Germany took control of its economic system from the Jews who where destroying Germany just as they are doing to the world today by witholding the issue of credit
http://www.solargeneral.com/library/judeadeclareswar.pdf
Whatever, I think that if the Holocaust is such an important thing that our children are to be indoctrinated in it, the complete picture should be shown. |
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Some of the pics do look as dodgy as the ones hanging in the Jewish Memorial (Berlin) but I am startled by the clarity of alot of them, that is simply something one doesn't get with the larger more well known (H)olocaust photos  that is also a major bone of contention for many revisionists. That said though unfortunately there is nothing really in the pics to say who the people are or where they come from. Again like the more widely known (H) pics this is why it is wrong to base the larger history on images alone no matter how shocking they are 
This method of thought control (through Shock) was surely used on 9/11 but we have the gumption to try and expose the fraud that it is
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On another note altogether I thought I'd add that I've known for a while that Eugenics started in US and recently discovered UK has been credited with inventing the Concentration Camp
Thinking about it also if they were German by invention they would be known the world over by a German name
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| Disco_Destroyer wrote: | Some of the pics do look as dodgy as the ones hanging in the Jewish Memorial (Berlin) but I am startled by the clarity of alot of them, that is simply something one doesn't get with the larger more well known (H)olocaust photos that is also a major bone of contention for many revisionists. That said though unfortunately there is nothing really in the pics to say who the people are or where they come from. Again like the more widely known (H) pics this is why it is wrong to base the larger history on images alone no matter how shocking they are
This method of thought control (through Shock) was surely used on 9/11 but we have the gumption to try and expose the fraud that it is |
Of course, just as the "Holocaust" pictures of gassed Jewish skeletons might equally be Germans died from starvation, so we have to look at other evidences to colaborate.
I have that evidence on a personal level in that it is part of my family history, but as far as you know, I might be lying.
Heres part of a speech Hitler made in Danzig in September 1939
It reveals that Germans where being persecuted and also that Hitler had tried other means first in order to avoid war.
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"Actually, Poland never was a democracy. An infinitesimal, degenerate upper class ruled not only over foreign nationalities, but also over what they called their own people. It was a State ruled by brute force, by the police and, as a last resort, also by the army. The lot of the Germans in this country was terrible. There is a considerable difference whether a people of inferior cultural importance has the misfortune of being ruled over by culturally superiors or whether a people with higher cultural standards has to endure the tragic fate of having to submit to a rule of violence inflicted by an inferior people, for this inferior people will develop all kinds of inferiority complexes and the reaction will make them turn against the superior and cultured people whom they will cruelly and barbarously ill-treat. The Germans have had to endure this fate for close on twenty years.
There is no need for me to describe in detail the lot of the Germans. It was, as I have already emphasized, both tragic and deplorable. Nevertheless, here as in every other instance I tried to reach a settlement which might have led to an equitable compromise. I once did my best to achieve a final settlement of the frontiers, first in the West and later in the South of the Reich, to eliminate the element of danger in the provinces concerned and to secure peace in the future. I did my utmost to achieve the same here. At that time there was in Poland a man whose insight and energy were incontestable. I succeeded in coming to an agreement with the late Marshall Pilsudski, which was intended to pave the way towards a peaceful understanding between the two nations, an agreement which, from the outset, did not sanction anything that was created by the Treaty of Versailles, but which endeavored to lay at least the foundations for a reasonable and tolerable side-by-side existence by completely ignoring that treaty.
As long as the Marshall was alive it seemed as if this attempt might indeed lead to an improvement of the tense situation. Immediately after his death, however, an intensified anti-German campaign began. This campaign, which took numerous and varied forms, embittered and complicated the relations between the two nations in an increasing degree. In the long run it was extremely difficult to look on patiently while in a neighboring country, whose very existence had caused grievous harm to Germany, the German minorities were being persecuted in the most barbarous way. The world, ready to shed tears whenever a Polish Jew who immigrated into Germany only a comparatively short time ago is turned out—this same world remained absolutely deaf to the sufferings of those who, in compliance with the Treaty of Versailles, were forced to leave their native land not by the thousand, but by the million. The world was deaf for the simple reason that they were Germans."
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As for the pictures, they are from Bromberg where Polish Jews killed 5500on what is called Bromberg bloody Sunday where Jews carried out such attrocities as nailing Children to barns.
There is the pictorial reference of the Bromberg Church where over 300 Germans where herded and burnt alive, also the newspaper cuttings.
As can be imagined in the world today, it is very difficult to get a great deal of evidence, with the passage of time it will be erased and even the survivors families will have forgotton of it.
You can see why the Jews are so anxious to keep thier slant on it alive. |
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"Holocaust Education" as it's taught today, is a Trojan Horse for something else: zionism. Behind the hype, it is a cynical appropriation of the suffering of the Nazis' victims, used by the zionist murderers and thieves to surround themselves with a halo of Victimhood. If Holocaust Education were TRULY anti-racist, there could be no objection to it, on the contrary. But it's not.
Zionism would quickly wither and die if it were cut off from the rich flow of racist poison and huge financial infusions it receives from the West. The Holocaust cult, which promotes the "Jew as Sacred Victim" meme, cannot be separated from its Siamese twin, the massive, well-funded campaign to demonize and dehumanize the victims of zionism: Arabs and Muslims.
"Holocaust Education", far from fighting racism, does the opposite: it's promoted racism in the form of Judeo-supremacism and Jewish exclusivism and given people in the West a way to feel self-righteous and good about themselves, at the same time they fund war crimes and crimes against humanity. Never mind the cost to those Brown people, they're all a bunch of "anti-semites".
Zionism, which is merely the Nazi ideology for Jews instead of Germans, requires both pillars: glorification and sanctification of the oppressor, AND demonization of the victim. The zionists have made sure that both bases are very well covered.
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I presume then if we wish to seriously query the huge number of Jews killed we should also seriously query the huge numbers of Iraqis killed by the US and Coalition.
Perhaps what is at stake here is not which side killed who and how many and whats propaganda and whats truth but rather that the problem lies within the heart of man evidenced by his inhumanity against humanity.
Its not the many races card but the human race card that needs to be played
just some incoherant thoughts.
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| Nambo wrote: | | Disco_Destroyer wrote: | Some of the pics do look as dodgy as the ones hanging in the Jewish Memorial (Berlin) but I am startled by the clarity of alot of them, that is simply something one doesn't get with the larger more well known (H)olocaust photos that is also a major bone of contention for many revisionists. That said though unfortunately there is nothing really in the pics to say who the people are or where they come from. Again like the more widely known (H) pics this is why it is wrong to base the larger history on images alone no matter how shocking they are
This method of thought control (through Shock) was surely used on 9/11 but we have the gumption to try and expose the fraud that it is |
Of course, just as the "Holocaust" pictures of gassed Jewish skeletons might equally be Germans died from starvation, so we have to look at other evidences to colaborate.
I have that evidence on a personal level in that it is part of my family history, but as far as you know, I might be lying.
Heres part of a speech Hitler made in Danzig in September 1939
It reveals that Germans where being persecuted and also that Hitler had tried other means first in order to avoid war.
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"Actually, Poland never was a democracy. An infinitesimal, degenerate upper class ruled not only over foreign nationalities, but also over what they called their own people. It was a State ruled by brute force, by the police and, as a last resort, also by the army. The lot of the Germans in this country was terrible. There is a considerable difference whether a people of inferior cultural importance has the misfortune of being ruled over by culturally superiors or whether a people with higher cultural standards has to endure the tragic fate of having to submit to a rule of violence inflicted by an inferior people, for this inferior people will develop all kinds of inferiority complexes and the reaction will make them turn against the superior and cultured people whom they will cruelly and barbarously ill-treat. The Germans have had to endure this fate for close on twenty years.
There is no need for me to describe in detail the lot of the Germans. It was, as I have already emphasized, both tragic and deplorable. Nevertheless, here as in every other instance I tried to reach a settlement which might have led to an equitable compromise. I once did my best to achieve a final settlement of the frontiers, first in the West and later in the South of the Reich, to eliminate the element of danger in the provinces concerned and to secure peace in the future. I did my utmost to achieve the same here. At that time there was in Poland a man whose insight and energy were incontestable. I succeeded in coming to an agreement with the late Marshall Pilsudski, which was intended to pave the way towards a peaceful understanding between the two nations, an agreement which, from the outset, did not sanction anything that was created by the Treaty of Versailles, but which endeavored to lay at least the foundations for a reasonable and tolerable side-by-side existence by completely ignoring that treaty.
As long as the Marshall was alive it seemed as if this attempt might indeed lead to an improvement of the tense situation. Immediately after his death, however, an intensified anti-German campaign began. This campaign, which took numerous and varied forms, embittered and complicated the relations between the two nations in an increasing degree. In the long run it was extremely difficult to look on patiently while in a neighboring country, whose very existence had caused grievous harm to Germany, the German minorities were being persecuted in the most barbarous way. The world, ready to shed tears whenever a Polish Jew who immigrated into Germany only a comparatively short time ago is turned out—this same world remained absolutely deaf to the sufferings of those who, in compliance with the Treaty of Versailles, were forced to leave their native land not by the thousand, but by the million. The world was deaf for the simple reason that they were Germans."
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As for the pictures, they are from Bromberg where Polish Jews killed 5500on what is called Bromberg bloody Sunday where Jews carried out such attrocities as nailing Children to barns.
There is the pictorial reference of the Bromberg Church where over 300 Germans where herded and burnt alive, also the newspaper cuttings.
As can be imagined in the world today, it is very difficult to get a great deal of evidence, with the passage of time it will be erased and even the survivors families will have forgotton of it.
You can see why the Jews are so anxious to keep thier slant on it alive. |
AFAIK there were attacks on Germans by Poles, but I'm wondering why you don't care to mention stuff like the Nazi extermination of the Polish intelligentsia and eviction of huge numbers of Poles from their homes (often dumping them in the middle of nowhere) so ethnic Germans could be simply given their homes and belongings.
Why you seem to think the Jews were behind Bromberg escapes me. Or rather it doesn't. It speaks volumes.
The Bromberg massacre occurred after Germany had attacked - it doesn't justify it in any way shape or form, but it probably wouldn't have happened without the German invasion. But any photos of Bromberg have exactly jack sh*t to do with anything that happened before the war.
Judicial Inc is a notorious anti-semitic website written by some lunatic renowned for its laughable inaccuracy, lamentable sourcing and tendency to blame anything and everything on the Jews - and that's where you got "children nailed to barns" by Jews from wasn't it?
Quoting a speech by Hitler is like quoting a speech by George Bush and saying "look, see - the Gulf war was all about the threat of weapons of mass destruction!"
It reveals nothing more than your faith in the word of Der Fuhrer.
Hitler had been going on for years about his desire to expand into the East.
| Quote: | | Heres something else I doubt they will teach in our schools, Judea declared war on Germany in 1933 |
Well they wouldn't teach that article in schools because it is a pile of arse. There had been numerous attacks on Jews by party members (the daily express article explicitly talks about attacks on Jews precipitating the boycott if you bother to read it), the Nazis were already drawing up the first steps in expelling Jews from certain institutions but the German Jews were generally (very mistakenly) hoping it would calm down and were worried because they had to live there. Oh, and let's not forget the "we hate the Jews" platform which had kind of typified the Nazi party since their inception. As it turned out, the boycott wasn't as comprehensive as had been hoped and to call it a 'declaration of war' (in terms other than rhetorical) is laughable. This pro-Nazi cr&p you get all over the web generally fails to explain why 'the Jews' suddenly 'declared war' for no apparent reason - well it's the 'Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy' innit? Poor old Hitler was just standing up to teh jooos! Give me strength.
| Quote: | | Now please dont think or accuse me of being a Nazi sympathiser. |
Well whatever could give anyone that idea...
Anyway, what photos of gassed Jews are these?
No-one bases history on "images alone" - don't talk rubbish. |
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