Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject:
Of course it's well known the plan is to destroy all secular religions as they were,and merge what is left with the Green earth worship type.
No surprise as to who has the most speaking times,and who is left seemingly to be the culprits!
'Club of Rome' policy making in action:
Al Gore, 'inventor of the internet and Global Warming' has become the public face of the crusade to unite the world in the fight against global warming. His devout Gaian views are scattered liberally through the various books he has written the environment and human spirituality. Al has formed an Alliance for Climate Protection, using the funds from Live Earth, to push forward his 'call to action.' He recently announced a 300 million dollar advertising campaign to raise public awareness and recruit an “army of ten million climate activists.”
In his book Earth in the Balance, Gore devotes no less than three chapters to the 'Earth Goddess.' He states that "in prehistoric Europe and much of the world was based on the worship of a single earth goddess, who was assumed to be the fount of all life and who radiated harmony among all living things. Much of the evidence for the existence of this primitive religion comes from the many thousands of artifacts uncovered in ceremonial sites. These sites are so widespread that they seem to confirm the notion that a goddess religion was ubiquitous through much of the world until the antecedents of today's religions, most of which still have a distinctly masculine orientation...swept out of India and the Near East, almost obliterating belief in the goddess. The last vestige of organized goddess worship was eliminated by Christianity as late as the fifteenth century." - Earth in the Balance, page 260
"The fate of mankind, as well as of religion, depends upon the emergence of a new faith in the future.' Armed with such a faith, we might find it possible to resanctify the Earth." - Earth in the Balance
"This we know: the Earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the Earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all." Earth in the Balance, page 259.
On the back cover of Earth in the Balance the well-known New Ager M. Scott Peck states: “Earth in Balance is a brilliantly written, prophetic, even holy book, clearly pointing the way we need to change to assure the survival of our children. I pray it will have the dramatic impact it deserves – and must have for our collective salvation.”
We don't need religion to diversify free thought _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject:
Wakeymedia wrote:
It's really not clear what you mean exactly - For "Religion" and against "Green Earth Worship"? Is that it?
It's entirely obvious that the new religion of a pantheistic kind is being promoted though Green issues,mother earth Gaia etc.
One has to question why someone like Dawkins is heavily promoted in the media don't you think? _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
Strange I thought such Pagan beliefs began long ago
Someone summed it up beautifully tonight! (elephant in the Room Colchester by the way) by saying the enemy of free thought is belief. I cant quote exact and he went on further down the philosophical road but the main point is there
Question everything even my late Gt Uncle always said that (Canadian) when we briefly met. _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject:
Wakeymedia wrote:
Well Newspeak International it seems that Dawkins, on the subject of Religion, is saying what many have been thinking for a long time.
Do you have any imaginary friends of the Religious/Monotheist type?
If the religious "Agenda" is to destroy christianity,islam and judaism and replace them with the pantheistic mother earth satanic cultism! Surely we as a movement should be against this,not encouraging it? _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
You can't destroy a persons belief without destroying the person. Trying to force issue normally rinforces their own belief system.
Like wise with 9/11 we can only encourage On that note I'll add 11/9 _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject:
Sounds like you're in accord with Dr Naseem's mainstream Muslim interpretation of Jihad.
Disco_Destroyer wrote:
You can't destroy a persons belief without destroying the person. Trying to force issue normally rinforces their own belief system.
Like wise with 9/11 we can only encourage On that note I'll add 11/9
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject:
Disco_Destroyer wrote:
You can't destroy a persons belief without destroying the person. Trying to force issue normally reinforces their own belief system.
Exactly,but you can make "certain" religions unpopular by promotion in the mainstream ,and drive them underground toward extinction which seems to be Dawkins MO.
Disco_Destroyer wrote:
Like wise with 9/11 we can only encourage On that note I'll add 11/9
Promotion of 9/11, 7/7 (et al) facts is essential don't you think DD?
Though self dellusion is very common nowdays with comments like "Maybe I don't want to believe it" heard quite often! _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
Yea we can make sure we make a noise etc. my point is not to enforce it _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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"If the religious "Agenda" is to destroy christianity,islam and judaism and replace them with the pantheistic mother earth satanic cultism! Surely we as a movement should be against this,not encouraging it?"
surely "we as a movement" should at least consider growing up first. Phrases like "pantheistic mother earth satanic cultism" are just mindless pap for superstitious american idiots, a surprising number of whom apparently can't read or write. _________________ http://niqnaq.wordpress.com
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:
So Rowan Berkley,is there not a progressive movement of the Green variety or not?
Is the Green movement linked to the global warming/climate change save the planet malarky?
Do you not hear from younger people "They blame the older generation"
I have so where do you think they heard this idea from?
Is there a concerted effort to attack established monotheistic religions by the likes of Dawkins?
Is this not yet another agenda?
Does he also attack Hinduism,Budism and Shamanism type religions
or not,I don't know the answer to that,but if not why not?
If not, are they not at least partially allied to this new age "mother earth"
Green religion?
Lastly,I know it must be difficult for you,but try not to be too patrionising in your reply Mr Berkley, as I will not lower myself to your level. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
At this point Newspeak International I think you should make it clear if you have any particular religious affiliations. Are you a believer in "Jesus" or the "God" of Abraham/Monotheism?
Sounds like you're in accord with Dr Naseem's mainstream Muslim interpretation of Jihad.
Disco_Destroyer wrote:
You can't destroy a persons belief without destroying the person. Trying to force issue normally rinforces their own belief system.
Like wise with 9/11 we can only encourage On that note I'll add 11/9
I guess so but without attaching oneself to any individual belief system, I personally see the religions too similar to be able to say yep such and such is right but you Sir over there are wrong _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Just found on Myspace:
Evolution Arguments Headed for Islamic World
Robin Lloyd | LiveScience | 11 December 2008
http://www.livescience.com/culture/081211-islam-evolution.html
The next major battle over evolutionary theory is likely to occur not in the United States but in the Islamic world or in countries with large Muslim populations, because of rising levels of education and Internet access there, as well as the rising importance of biology, a scientist now says.
Like with Christians or Jews, there is no consensus or "official" opinion on evolution among Muslims. However, some of them say that the theory is a cultural threat that acts as a force in favor of atheism, says Hampshire College's Salman Hameed in an essay in the Dec. 12 issue of the journal Science. This is the same beef that some Christians have with evolution.
However, a general respect for science in the Islamic world means scientists have an opportunity to counter anti-evolution efforts, including the "Atlas of Creation," a glossy 850-page color volume produced by Muslim creationist Adnan Oktar who goes by the name of Harun Yahya. Numerous university scientists and members of the media received copies of this book as an unsolicited gift in 2007.
"There is a standard narrative that science and Islam are compatible, but evolution is one thought that challenges this assumption," Hameed told LiveScience. "It's interesting to see how people respond to it and create their world view in response to that challenge."
Better education, the spread of Internet access and news about U.S. controversies over evolution are provoking some Muslims worldwide to start to ask whether Islam is compatible with evolutionary theory, Hameed said.
"Now is the time that these ideas are going to be solidified. We can shape it. There are positive ways to shape these ideas in which we can avert a mass rejection of evolution," Hameed said.
General confusion
Christian creationists believe God created animals, humanity, Earth and the universe in their original form in six days about 6,000 years ago, a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis in the Bible. Muslim creationists have similar beliefs, based on the Quran, though they tend to be open to a wider range of interpretations. Scientists say, however, that evolutionary theory (the idea that all organisms evolved from a common ancestor) and the mechanism of natural selection explain the diversity of life on the planet. The theory is well-supported by evidence from multiple fields of study. Evolution not only explains how early primates evolved to become human, but how one species of bird becomes two, and how viruses morph over time to resist drugs.
Scientists can only speculate on where and exactly how life began on Earth, but fossil evidence dates the earliest life to about 3.7 billion years ago.
Hameed's essay, meanwhile, comes on the heels of an ABC "Nightline" interview this week with President Bush during which he said that he doesn't think that his belief that God created the world is "incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution," as well as a Philadelphia Inquirer story quoting EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson as saying he does not think there's a "clean-cut division" between evolution and creationism.
Now, three years after the end of the Dover trial (the upshot: U.S. District Judge John E. Jones barred a Pennsylvanian public school district from teaching "intelligent design" in biology class, saying the concept is creationism in disguise), U.S. residents remain divided on evolution. A Harris poll conducted in November found 47 percent of Americans accept Darwin's theory of evolution while 40 percent believe instead in creationism.
Scientists worry that those who ignore or dismiss the strong evidence for evolution might also be prone to a worrisome lack of critical thinking, and that over time, support for science and medicine in general could erode.
Muslims and evolution
The Muslim take on evolution diverges somewhat from the classic Christian creationist stance. For instance, Muslims generally accept the scientific evidence that the world is billions of years old, rather than 6,000 years old. Some scholars point to early evolutionary thinking among medieval Muslim philosophers who discussed common descent, Hameed writes. These philosophers, along with Aristotle and others, were among numerous early thinkers to ponder evolution, although people should be "careful in terms of not going overboard" by crediting any of them with coming up with natural selection, the mechanism for evolution that Darwin arrived at, Hameed said.
Still, today, only 25 percent of adults in Turkey agree that human beings developed from earlier species of animals, whereas 40 percent of people in the United States agree with this scientific fact, Hameed writes. And Turkey is one of the most secular and educated of Muslim countries.
Hameed cites data from a 2007 sociological study by Riaz Hassan which revealed that only a minority in five Muslim countries agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is probably or most certainly true: 16 percent of Indonesians, 14 percent of Pakistanis, 8 percent of Egyptians, 11 percent of Malaysians and 22 percent of Turks.
Nonetheless, evolution is taught in high schools in many Muslim countries, although this is often in a very religious environment, Hameed says. Also, science foundations in 14 Muslim countries recently signed on to a statement in support of the teaching of evolution, including human evolution (it is human evolution that is often the sticking point for Muslims, rather than all evolution, he says).
The solution is for Muslim biologists and doctors to present evolutionary theory as the bedrock of biology and to stress its practical applications, Hameed writes, adding that efforts to link evolution with atheism will defeat efforts to help Muslims accept evolution. _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject:
Wakeymedia wrote:
At this point Newspeak International I think you should make it clear if you have any particular religious affiliations. Are you a believer in "Jesus" or the "God" of Abraham/Monotheism?
why is that so important for you to know Wakey?
It's always interesting to see some "Truth" merged with religion bashing
(Zeitgeist was very good in this regard wasn't it?), that is a known part of the whole scheme of things,but I see not many want to "go there".
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:47 am Post subject:
It may hurt your cause wakey, but to answer your question I am not affiliated with any religious movement at all.All I see is the agenda,what say you about that statement Wakey? _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Resist Fascism & Totalitarianism in ALL its forms
I agree that many of 'god's' most well known sales reps are of dubious authenticity. Such as GW Bush and Tony Blair to name but two
As for this clip, Dawkins is right to criticise the penalty for apostasy.
Still, the basic principle is that the child is the child of the parents not of the state and it's the parents' responsibility to take charge of their education until they reach maturity. The other view is essentially Huxley's Brave New World scenario.
What Dawkins is saying is that you may only treat the Bible just as any other historical book. He's denying the spiritual value of the Torah, Bible and Koran in an attempt to hijack children's moral education from their parents.
Wakeymedia wrote:
And as for some of God's sales-reps here on Earth . . . Well!
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:
Newspeak International wrote:
Wwhat are you exactly?
errrm...
Howz that for an open-ended question?
Can we drop the baggage and concentrate on mad Dawkins' and his interesting ideas.
He keeps going on about the 'apostasy', and the Muslim cleric doesn't answer it very well does he?
It seems in Islamic countries they have the death penalty for apostasy. That basically means that if you stand up - like Abu Hamza did - and preach that the Koran teaches that suicide bombings on the London Underground are okay then you will be subject to the death penalty.
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject:
AFAICS there is something quite disturbing about Dawkins's offensive
attitude against mainstream religion,as seen in recent years.Most on here should already know the agenda by now.
apostasy definition:
Quote:
the act of giving up your religious or political beliefs and leaving a religion or a political party:
In those days apostasy was punishable by death.
Very funny with some relevent points about the new world order,that it's not "new" exactly,just a continued re-ordering of what has gone on before.
Now we really have the capability to have a good overall idea what nonsense is going down,so how are we to counter it?
By forming "large" groups in a movement that is largely not getting very far,or going out in 2's and 3's and spreading the word?
IMO,the latter is what we should have done from the off,but the "movement" have been reluctant to do the easy bit in joining people up within the "Truth community" let alone "stop the war" people.
I guess the only way this would happen is if we pm'd people
that are known to be within our immediate area.
Indeed but unemployed and stretched, meetups and walking around town is not a prob tho _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject:
Disco_Destroyer wrote:
Strange I thought such Pagan beliefs began long ago
Someone summed it up beautifully tonight! (elephant in the Room Colchester by the way) by saying the enemy of free thought is belief. I cant quote exact and he went on further down the philosophical road but the main point is there
Question everything even my late Gt Uncle always said that (Canadian) when we briefly met.
Did you believe him? _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
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