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[Wakeymedia]

Oh God!


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And as for some of God's sales-reps here on Earth . . . Well!


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But thankfully there have been those who told it like it is - Heeeeeeeere's George!


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[Newspeak International]

Of course it's well known the plan is to destroy all secular religions as they were,and merge what is left with the Green earth worship type.

No surprise as to who has the most speaking times,and who is left seemingly to be the culprits!

'Club of Rome' policy making in action:

Al Gore, 'inventor of the internet and Global Warming' has become the public face of the crusade to unite the world in the fight against global warming. His devout Gaian views are scattered liberally through the various books he has written the environment and human spirituality. Al has formed an Alliance for Climate Protection, using the funds from Live Earth, to push forward his 'call to action.' He recently announced a 300 million dollar advertising campaign to raise public awareness and recruit an “army of ten million climate activists.”

In his book Earth in the Balance, Gore devotes no less than three chapters to the 'Earth Goddess.' He states that "in prehistoric Europe and much of the world was based on the worship of a single earth goddess, who was assumed to be the fount of all life and who radiated harmony among all living things. Much of the evidence for the existence of this primitive religion comes from the many thousands of artifacts uncovered in ceremonial sites. These sites are so widespread that they seem to confirm the notion that a goddess religion was ubiquitous through much of the world until the antecedents of today's religions, most of which still have a distinctly masculine orientation...swept out of India and the Near East, almost obliterating belief in the goddess. The last vestige of organized goddess worship was eliminated by Christianity as late as the fifteenth century." - Earth in the Balance, page 260

"The fate of mankind, as well as of religion, depends upon the emergence of a new faith in the future.' Armed with such a faith, we might find it possible to resanctify the Earth." - Earth in the Balance

"This we know: the Earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the Earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all." Earth in the Balance, page 259.

On the back cover of Earth in the Balance the well-known New Ager M. Scott Peck states: “Earth in Balance is a brilliantly written, prophetic, even holy book, clearly pointing the way we need to change to assure the survival of our children. I pray it will have the dramatic impact it deserves – and must have for our collective salvation.”


http://green-agenda.com/gaians.html

[Wakeymedia]

It's really not clear what you mean exactly - For "Religion" and against "Green Earth Worship"? Is that it?

[Disco_Destroyer]

We don't need religion to diversify free thought

[Newspeak International]

[Disco_Destroyer]

Strange I thought such Pagan beliefs began long ago

Someone summed it up beautifully tonight! (elephant in the Room Colchester by the way) by saying the enemy of free thought is belief. I cant quote exact and he went on further down the philosophical road but the main point is there
Question everything even my late Gt Uncle always said that (Canadian) when we briefly met.

[Wakeymedia]

Well Newspeak International it seems that Dawkins, on the subject of Religion, is saying what many have been thinking for a long time.

Do you have any imaginary friends of the Religious/Monotheist type?

[Newspeak International]

[Disco_Destroyer]

You can't destroy a persons belief without destroying the person. Trying to force issue normally rinforces their own belief system.
Like wise with 9/11 we can only encourage On that note I'll add 11/9

[TonyGosling]

Sounds like you're in accord with Dr Naseem's mainstream Muslim interpretation of Jihad.

[Newspeak International]

[Disco_Destroyer]

Yea we can make sure we make a noise etc. my point is not to enforce it

[Rowan Berkeley]

"If the religious "Agenda" is to destroy christianity,islam and judaism and replace them with the pantheistic mother earth satanic cultism! Surely we as a movement should be against this,not encouraging it?"

surely "we as a movement" should at least consider growing up first. Phrases like "pantheistic mother earth satanic cultism" are just mindless pap for superstitious american idiots, a surprising number of whom apparently can't read or write.

[Newspeak International]

So Rowan Berkley,is there not a progressive movement of the Green variety or not?
Is the Green movement linked to the global warming/climate change save the planet malarky?
Do you not hear from younger people "They blame the older generation"
I have so where do you think they heard this idea from?
Is there a concerted effort to attack established monotheistic religions by the likes of Dawkins?
Is this not yet another agenda?
Does he also attack Hinduism,Budism and Shamanism type religions
or not,I don't know the answer to that,but if not why not?
If not, are they not at least partially allied to this new age "mother earth"
Green religion?

Lastly,I know it must be difficult for you,but try not to be too patrionising in your reply Mr Berkley, as I will not lower myself to your level.

[Wakeymedia]

At this point Newspeak International I think you should make it clear if you have any particular religious affiliations. Are you a believer in "Jesus" or the "God" of Abraham/Monotheism?

[Disco_Destroyer]

[Disco_Destroyer]

Just found on Myspace:
Evolution Arguments Headed for Islamic World
Robin Lloyd | LiveScience | 11 December 2008
http://www.livescience.com/culture/081211-islam-evolution.html
The next major battle over evolutionary theory is likely to occur not in the United States but in the Islamic world or in countries with large Muslim populations, because of rising levels of education and Internet access there, as well as the rising importance of biology, a scientist now says.

Like with Christians or Jews, there is no consensus or "official" opinion on evolution among Muslims. However, some of them say that the theory is a cultural threat that acts as a force in favor of atheism, says Hampshire College's Salman Hameed in an essay in the Dec. 12 issue of the journal Science. This is the same beef that some Christians have with evolution.

However, a general respect for science in the Islamic world means scientists have an opportunity to counter anti-evolution efforts, including the "Atlas of Creation," a glossy 850-page color volume produced by Muslim creationist Adnan Oktar who goes by the name of Harun Yahya. Numerous university scientists and members of the media received copies of this book as an unsolicited gift in 2007.

"There is a standard narrative that science and Islam are compatible, but evolution is one thought that challenges this assumption," Hameed told LiveScience. "It's interesting to see how people respond to it and create their world view in response to that challenge."

Better education, the spread of Internet access and news about U.S. controversies over evolution are provoking some Muslims worldwide to start to ask whether Islam is compatible with evolutionary theory, Hameed said.

"Now is the time that these ideas are going to be solidified. We can shape it. There are positive ways to shape these ideas in which we can avert a mass rejection of evolution," Hameed said.

General confusion

Christian creationists believe God created animals, humanity, Earth and the universe in their original form in six days about 6,000 years ago, a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis in the Bible. Muslim creationists have similar beliefs, based on the Quran, though they tend to be open to a wider range of interpretations. Scientists say, however, that evolutionary theory (the idea that all organisms evolved from a common ancestor) and the mechanism of natural selection explain the diversity of life on the planet. The theory is well-supported by evidence from multiple fields of study. Evolution not only explains how early primates evolved to become human, but how one species of bird becomes two, and how viruses morph over time to resist drugs.

Scientists can only speculate on where and exactly how life began on Earth, but fossil evidence dates the earliest life to about 3.7 billion years ago.

Hameed's essay, meanwhile, comes on the heels of an ABC "Nightline" interview this week with President Bush during which he said that he doesn't think that his belief that God created the world is "incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution," as well as a Philadelphia Inquirer story quoting EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson as saying he does not think there's a "clean-cut division" between evolution and creationism.

Now, three years after the end of the Dover trial (the upshot: U.S. District Judge John E. Jones barred a Pennsylvanian public school district from teaching "intelligent design" in biology class, saying the concept is creationism in disguise), U.S. residents remain divided on evolution. A Harris poll conducted in November found 47 percent of Americans accept Darwin's theory of evolution while 40 percent believe instead in creationism.

Scientists worry that those who ignore or dismiss the strong evidence for evolution might also be prone to a worrisome lack of critical thinking, and that over time, support for science and medicine in general could erode.

Muslims and evolution

The Muslim take on evolution diverges somewhat from the classic Christian creationist stance. For instance, Muslims generally accept the scientific evidence that the world is billions of years old, rather than 6,000 years old. Some scholars point to early evolutionary thinking among medieval Muslim philosophers who discussed common descent, Hameed writes. These philosophers, along with Aristotle and others, were among numerous early thinkers to ponder evolution, although people should be "careful in terms of not going overboard" by crediting any of them with coming up with natural selection, the mechanism for evolution that Darwin arrived at, Hameed said.

Still, today, only 25 percent of adults in Turkey agree that human beings developed from earlier species of animals, whereas 40 percent of people in the United States agree with this scientific fact, Hameed writes. And Turkey is one of the most secular and educated of Muslim countries.

Hameed cites data from a 2007 sociological study by Riaz Hassan which revealed that only a minority in five Muslim countries agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is probably or most certainly true: 16 percent of Indonesians, 14 percent of Pakistanis, 8 percent of Egyptians, 11 percent of Malaysians and 22 percent of Turks.

Nonetheless, evolution is taught in high schools in many Muslim countries, although this is often in a very religious environment, Hameed says. Also, science foundations in 14 Muslim countries recently signed on to a statement in support of the teaching of evolution, including human evolution (it is human evolution that is often the sticking point for Muslims, rather than all evolution, he says).

The solution is for Muslim biologists and doctors to present evolutionary theory as the bedrock of biology and to stress its practical applications, Hameed writes, adding that efforts to link evolution with atheism will defeat efforts to help Muslims accept evolution.

[Newspeak International]

[Wakeymedia]

It clarifies your position and does not let you beat around the bush. Which you seem to be doing.

Why can you not answer a very simple question?

What are you afraid of?

[Newspeak International]

It may hurt your cause wakey, but to answer your question I am not affiliated with any religious movement at all.All I see is the agenda,what say you about that statement Wakey?

[TonyGosling]

I agree that many of 'god's' most well known sales reps are of dubious authenticity. Such as GW Bush and Tony Blair to name but two

As for this clip, Dawkins is right to criticise the penalty for apostasy.

Still, the basic principle is that the child is the child of the parents not of the state and it's the parents' responsibility to take charge of their education until they reach maturity. The other view is essentially Huxley's Brave New World scenario.

What Dawkins is saying is that you may only treat the Bible just as any other historical book. He's denying the spiritual value of the Torah, Bible and Koran in an attempt to hijack children's moral education from their parents.

[Newspeak International]

I thought maybe mistakenly, that you were a christian Tony Gosling?

You rightly deny Bush and Blair as being such,but what are you exactly?

[TonyGosling]

[Newspeak International]

AFAICS there is something quite disturbing about Dawkins's offensive
attitude against mainstream religion,as seen in recent years.Most on here should already know the agenda by now.

apostasy definition:

[Disco_Destroyer]

NWO Conspiracy bs


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[Newspeak International]

[Disco_Destroyer]

Indeed but unemployed and stretched, meetups and walking around town is not a prob tho

[Newspeak International]

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