Christmas

[rodin]

Let's not forget the Sephardic Jew who started this off. It is His birthday after all. At least according to the OCT.

What would he have thought of the rampant materialism and office party hedonism that now prevails? Or the X that replaces His name so frequently? Or the fat guy who visits children in their beds whose name is so close to Satan?

Anyway, food for thought before tomorrow's over indulgence. Any veggies out there? Can you actually get quorn turkey?

Just to illustrate how I am not immune from the pervasive corruption of capitalism, I will be wrapping an xbox 360 from that Crypto Gates' company

Hey Y'all have a good time now.

[blackcat]

[kbo234]

[fish5133]

Happy xmas one and all from an enlightened christian. of the "born again evangelical persuasion" Christ has nowt to do with 25 Dec. So just enjoy the heathen festivities without the hassle of bringing Christ into it. If I had my way i would ban xmas apart from mince pies and nativity plays and boil every one with their xmas pud and bury them with a sprig of holly through their heart.
Funny how most of our great traditions have exploited and are now OTT

xmas
halloween
bonfire night
new year

Good will toward all men would be nice but no doubt some poor sod will get kicked to death by drunken yobs or killed by drunk drivers

Anyway to one and all and in the words of scrooge "you keep christmas in your way and I will keep it in mine"

[mark_e]

I enjoyed a wonderful solstice ceremony yesterday before dawn, when it was -4, proper wintery weather, followed by a beautiful sunrise. tomorrow i will enjoy making the time to prepare and eat a special meal with my family. i will probably drink too much beer and eat too much food, but if the last 5 years have taught me anything, it's that you should enjoy what you have whilst you still have it. you never know what is around the corner. So merry christmas / solstice / saturnalia / yule everyone.

[TonyGosling]

I love it, like Easter, catching up with the family is good fun. We laugh a lot and wind each other up discussing dreadful misdemeanors and misfortunes from years gone by that seemed so serious at the time.

None of us really like the queen's speech - my lot say she comes across as false except gran who thinks she's wonderful.

And I can't help thanking God that's nearly another year gone by without world war three breaking out and ample cause for celebration and inebriation.

[paul wright]

The monarchy are loathesome creatures of their own making
The last thing we want are them on Christmas day, still yet less on their own Youtube channel
Avoid them at all costs
Joli Yool

[wepmob2000]

Hope everyone here has a great Christmas, even those I always argue with like Rodin, Blackcat, and Blackbear, hope Santa brings you what you want!

[TonyGosling]

Wow, it's like the WW I Christmas Day amnesty in the trenches, so hated by the army high command, here. Is something beautiful happening?

Attached is an original painting from a Lebanese guy who's a refugee in New Zealand.

[telecasterisation]

I had forgotten it is Christmas Day - as I don't celebrate or acknowledge the event.

My kids have never been exposed to Christmas, saves me oodles of money, no personal contribution to the mountains of cardboard packaging and wrapping paper, no creatures have been killed on my behalf, no escalation of electricity usage due to a house so brightly lit it can be seen from orbit, didn't buy or send any cards, no batteries bought, used and thrown away and no tree cut down, adorned with a naff Woolworths fairy that looks like Graham Norton, then chucked in the garden in a week's time.

I genuinely get far more of a kick opting out of this brainwashed madness than contributing to it. It is however my youngest's birthday, she's ten today.

[Linda]

my TV is off, my radio is taboo because of all the nonsense xmas songs played over and over, I am chilling out to Crystal Magic CD bought a few years ago it is so relaxing.

I will play cds all day today and tomorrow, all good music from my own personal cd collection. Purrrrrrrrrrfect.

No xmas dinner and nonsense food that most will stuff their faces with either, just plain good vegan grub.

Happy New year everyone.

Linda

[Emmanuel]

Wow, I will be doing exactly the same Linda!
My christmas track of the day
by the Tokyo choir

Link

And you cant really beat the original
Oh happy day - by Edwin Collins

Link

[fish5133]

Yes hallelujah Emmanuel.

crows and nightingales

[xmasdale]

Well I missed Christmas, due to flu, but here are my xmas thoughts about an idea which struck me while listening to a recording of Haendel’s Messiah. The lyrics, compiled by Charles Jennens (1700 - 1773) and given to Haendel in 1741 read in part:

"Why do the nations, so furiously rage together, and why do the people imagine a vain thing; the kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed.
Let us break their bonds asunder and cast away their yokes from us."

To me that implies a connection between the people having false conceptions and the resultant wars arranged by the rulers’ plotting. Then the lyrics encourage the people to rise up against the oppression which leads them into warfare.

"Very pertinent to our position today!" I thought, but when I started to look into it more deeply I found the issue quite complicated. The notes with my boxed CD set of Messiah maintain that the words supplied here by Charles Jennens are the first three verses of Psalm 2. Making use of the internet I checked to see how various English translations of the Bible rendered those verses. To my surprise I discovered that the King James Version, the only one authorised to be used in church services in England at that time, gives a substantially different meaning to the lyrics supplied by Jennens.

King James Version
2:1
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2:2
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
2:3
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

Here it is the heathen who rage and their rulers say they want to break them up and no longer be encumbered by them. And more modern translations differ even more widely from Jennens and Haendel’s version

New International Version


2:1
Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?

2:2
The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his Anointed One. "Let us break their chains," they say, "and throw off their fetters."

Here the people don’t imagine anything vain at all.


But I found this old translation, the Darby translation, whose meaning is closer to that of Haendel’s libretto.


Darby Translation
1 Why are the nations in tumultuous agitation, and [why] do the peoples meditate a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the princes plot together, against Jehovah and against his anointed: 3 Let us break their bonds asunder, and cast away their cords from us!

There are many many more Bible translations to be compared, but perhaps someone who reads ancient Hebrew, which I certainly can’t, could shed light on what the psalmist might have been getting at.

I think of what was going on in the world of politics at the time. The German Electors of Hanover had been given the throne of Britain and Ireland and George Haendel had gone with them as court musician. The Protestant British government lived in constant fear of the Catholic Stuart line of monarchs creating a rebellion and getting back into power. The Stuarts had a good, though unsuccessful, attempt at it in 1715 and again in 1745. The Treaty of Westphalia (1648) had ended the Thirty Years War and established the principle that whether Catholic or Protestant governments had no business encouraging their co-religionists to create rebellions in other countries. Despite that, governments all over western Europe remained jumpy that that might happen in their country. Four years after completion of Messiah The Young Pretender, the Catholic Charles Edward Louis Philip Casimir Stuart, known as Charles III or Bonnie Prince Charlie, landed in Scotland, raised an army, set up court in Edinburgh and then marched as far south as Derby. The War of the Austrian Succession, involving all European powers, raged from 1740-1748.

So were Jennens and Haendel putting a bit of contemporary political spin on to that psalm - the nations fight because they falsely imagine that being Catholic, or alternatively Protestant, is wicked and tantamount to being a subversive, a heretic, a terrorist? Do we not in more recent times fall into the same trap in our attitudes about people being Muslim or Jewish?


"And the moral of that is..." said the duchess...

Well the moral is whatever moral you find in it,

but from that exploration the morals for me are: put not your trust in princes, nor in psalms, nor priests, nor politicians nor scriptures of any kind. No person, no organisation and no book is infallible. Do you feel comfortable with that? If not, you might, like me, consider heeding the promptings of love and truth in your own heart, or call it your intuition or your conscience if you prefer, or call it Christ, or the inward light, or Allah who is closer even than our jugular vein or Atmen or Brahman or the Void. It's not IMHO the words that are important, but the concepts, the deeds and whether our hearts are set towards the light.

So belated greetings to all for Christmas, Hannuka, Eid, Winter Solstice and a happy, truthful and peaceful New Year.

Noel

[rodin]

Why Xmasdale and not Christmasdale?

Nice post

[Alulim]

[kbo234]

[TonyGosling]

Here it comes again - no it's nothing to do with the birth of Jesus - it's all about paganism/Druidism/Blavatskyism and the winter solstice - still, a good excuse to meet up with the family and take a break from the NWO treadmill.

Check out this year's Charles and Camilla Christmas card.

That's a brolly old card, Charles: Prince chooses unseasonal image for Christmas greetings

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1094539/Army-chief-given-keys- Dianas-old-London-home--taxpayers-pick-tab.html

Is this card maybe just a little bit more esoteric than the Daily Mail lot have realised??

And - on another tack - how about the wonderful Vincent Price to teach us about God.


Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2vgcWwH9LU

[paul wright]

Umbrellas
That's a bit pertinent
May I make this link?
http://www.truthforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=573
You need to go to the Part 2 and so on at the link to get the umbrella reference
I cant make it work here

[TonyGosling]

This is a bit of a repetitive video Paul. It seems to take 10 minutes to make a simple one line point.

What is Rihannas song Umbrella about? Is it about a device that protects us from the rain? Is it about a young womans love for a man? Is it about a young womans vagina; her umbrella which opens when rain falls, when it is wet?

Building upon the spiritual concepts revealed in The Creator, the gods, Evil, and the Manipulation of Humanity, this documentary elaborates further on the demonic manipulation technology called possession. This documentary is the third in a series of films by Lenon Honor.

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxizamzfUwg
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8
http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com

My idea was altogether simpler!

[truthseeker john]

Whichever way we honestly look at it, Christmas is based on lies.

Last year two people very near to where I live committed suicide during the Christmas period. So much for the spirit of Christmas, which we are told is about caring for people.

[Linda]

This year my door will remain locked. Christmas is canceled just like last year. I will just play cds and dvds , anything to do with this awful season is TABOO.

It is the biggest rip off ever.

[Disco_Destroyer]

I'm having a quiet close family do with little expenditure on the event

Those that dislike ths time may enjoy this song, warning though this is not for the followers/believes of I also don't mean it to spoil anyones festivities, but what ever you get upto injoy yourselves


Link

[Linda]

Here are the famous Alternative Carols from Palestine: they caused much grief in the Zionist camp


O LITTLE TOWN OF BETHLEHEM

O little town of Bethlehem ,
How still we see thee lie!
A wall is laid where tourists stayed,
And tanks go rolling by.
And in thy dark streets shineth
No cheerful Christmas light;
The grief and fears of four sad years
Are met in thee tonight.

How silently, how silently
The world regards it all,
As now thy heart is torn apart
By Israel's ghetto wall.
They terrorize a people -
A war crime and a sin;
Their winding "fence" can make no sense;
Revenge can still get in.

O promised child of Bethlehem,
Cast down the iron cage,
The walls of hate that separate
And harden and enrage;
Bring justice and make equal;
Come down from far above;
And come to birth upon this earth,
As hope and peace and love.


ONCE IN ROYAL DAVID'S CITY

Once in royal David's city
Stood some big Israeli tanks;
Mothers giving birth to babies
Met with checkpoints and roadbanks.
Holy land was all defiled
As a bullet killed a child.

Round the ancient tomb of Rachel
They have built a ghetto wall;
Rachel's weeping for her children,
And "her children" means us all.
But this city's strangulated,
Rachel's children segregated.

David's people once instructed
All the world in righteousness;
Once they spoke of truth and justice,
Now they ravage and oppress.
Nations, look at Bethlehem ,
And speak out the truth to them.


THE TWELVE DAYS OF CHRISTMAS

On the first day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
An uprooted olive tree.

On the second day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Two trampled doves
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the third day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the fourth day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the fifth day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Five settlement rings.
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the sixth day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Six tanks a-rolling,
Five settlement rings.
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the seventh day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Seven checkpoints blocking,
Six tanks a-rolling,
Five settlement rings.
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the eighth day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Eight gunships firing,
Seven checkpoints blocking,
Six tanks a-rolling,
Five settlement rings.
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the ninth day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Nine smashed computers,
Eight gunships firing,
Seven checkpoints blocking,
Six tanks a-rolling,
Five settlement rings.
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the tenth day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Ten wells obstructed,
Nine smashed computers,
Eight gunships firing,
Seven checkpoints blocking,
Six tanks a-rolling,
Five settlement rings.
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the eleventh day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Eleven homes demolished,
Ten wells obstructed,
Nine smashed computers,
Eight gunships firing,
Seven checkpoints blocking,
Six tanks a-rolling,
Five settlement rings,
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,
And an uprooted olive tree.

On the twelfth day of Christmas, Arik Sharon sent me
Twelve assassinations,
Eleven homes demolished,
Ten wells obstructed,
Nine smashed computers,
Eight gunships firing,
Seven checkpoints blocking,
Six tanks a-rolling,
Five settlement rings.
Four falling bombs,
Three trench guns,
Two trampled doves,

And an uprooted olive tree.


O COME ALL YE FAITHFUL

O come all ye faithful,
All who care for justice,
O look ye, O look ye at Bethlehem ;
Come and behold it
Under occupation.
O come, let's not ignore it,
O come, let's not ignore it,
O come, let's not ignore it,
Tell the world.

Sing, all ye people,
Sing in indignation,
Be with the citizens of Bethlehem ;
Sing out for justice,
Freedom from oppression.
O come, let's not ignore it,
O come, let's not ignore it,
O come, let's not ignore it,
Tell the world.


IN THE BLEAK MIDWINTER

In the bleak midwinter,
Refugees made moan;
Sharon stood like iron,
Bush was like a stone.
Tanks were rolling, tank on tank,
Tank on tank,
Through the camps of Gaza
And the West Bank .

How can we stop him,
Ariel Sharon?
Silence of the nations
Lets him carry on.
Where is there a wise man
Who could do his part?
Tell the world to stop him
With its heart.


THE OLIVE AND THE IDF

The olive and the IDF
When they are both full-grown,
Every olive tree on the West Bank
The IDF cuts down.

O the rampaging of settlers
And the rolling of the tanks;
The grinding of the bulldozers
As the olives fall in ranks.

The olive bears a berry
As green as any grass;
When the owners go to pick the fruit
They're not allowed to pass.

O the rampaging of settlers
And the rolling of the tanks;
The grinding of the bulldozers
As the olives fall in ranks.

This oppression bears a berry
As red as any blood,
As the owners see their livelihoods
All trampled into mud.

O the rampaging of settlers,
And the rolling of the tanks;
The grinding of the bulldozers
As the olives fall in ranks.

If you want to buy the olives,
You'll find it very hard;
To those that make it to checkpoints
The way outside is barred.

O the rampaging of settlers,
And the rolling of the tanks;
The grinding of the bulldozers
As the olives fall in ranks.

The olive and the IDF,
When they are both full-grown,
Every olive tree on the West Bank
The IDF cuts down.

WE FOUR KINGS

FOUR KINGS TOGETHER

We four kings, we're called the Quartet;
With a roadmap off we all set,
No-one knowing where we're going,
Or how far we can get.

CHORUS

O, map of wonder, map of light,
Map of promises so bright,
In three phases, through the mazes
Guide us with no end in sight.

1ST KING

I'm King George, the USA man;
And it goes according to plan;
Fighting terror, righting error;
After Iraq, Iran .

CHORUS

O, map of wonder, etc.

2ND KING

I this year am King of EU;
My name's known to more than a few -
Sarkozy; I and Tony
Take from King George our cue.

CHORUS

O map of wonder, etc.

3RD KING

I'm King Putin, Muscovite Tzar,
With this map I travel afar;
I'm partaking in peace-making,
Just like in Chechnya .

CHORUS

O map of wonder, etc.

4TH KING

I'm Ban Ki-Moon, head of UN;
It makes laws again and again,
But ignored is, for the sword is
Mightier than the pen.

CHORUS

O map of wonder, etc..

FOUR KINGS TOGETHER

We four kings, we're all in a flap,
For we've got ourselves in a trap -
Stopped by trenches, walls and fences,
Not marked upon the map.

CHORUS

O map of wonder, etc.



FOUR KINGS TOGETHER

We four kings, bewildered we are,
For this map's not getting us far,
Nowhere leading - for we're needing
Not a map but a star.

CHORUS

O star of freedom, star of light,
Star of peace with justice bright,
Shining ever, they can never
Target-bomb thy perfect light.


__._


Israel Shamir
adam@israelshamir.net.

[Disco_Destroyer]

Cheers Linda

[kbo234]

9/11 truth breaks new ground......

[Linda]

Merry Crassmas

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kPde6zW82yA

[Linda]

Ho Ho effing Ho

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMTF5fLA6o

[TonyGosling]

How about suggestions for some imaginative and preferably anti-war presents?
Here's my suggestion recycled from a few years ago (buy it here) which kbo remnded me of.

[paul wright]