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| Justin Please advise me how I can get e-mail links to send this pictures to the Zionist controlled media in this country.. Keep up the good work.. and one day we will succeed god willing !! |
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Hi Mission911, I'm not very computer literate compared to some so I would copy and paste the link and send to everyone you can think of. I'm doing ditto plus a letter warning about the very real possibility of Israeli/Neocon false flag operations to get the public support needed for attacks on Iran and Syria (letter will be posted today for people to use). Go to ussliberty.com to see how such an attack has happened before.
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It's hard to find words....life at it's most innocent crushed..it's hard to comprehend.
Like the Palestinian family on the beach, just wiped out in a deliberate act of cold blooded murder, the screams of that little girl will stay with me a long long time.
6.2 billion or so people on this planet, 6.1999 billion just want to live in peace. |
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| Quote: | | 6.2 billion or so people on this planet, 6.1999 billion just want to live in peace. |
Beautifully put!
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I posted that link with the photos on the BBC POV forum. They were removed of course, people on that forum can't handle what happens to innocent people. It's is closing today though, probably for the best  |
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| ishaar wrote: | It's hard to find words....life at it's most innocent crushed..it's hard to comprehend.
Like the Palestinian family on the beach, just wiped out in a deliberate act of cold blooded murder, the screams of that little girl will stay with me a long long time.
6.2 billion or so people on this planet, 6.1999 billion just want to live in peace. |
So I guess you're saying that Hezbollah shouldn't have kidnapped soldiers and fired rockets at Israel right? Further, Hamas shouldn't have rewarded the Israeli retreat from Gaza by perpetuating more attacks and kidnappings??
You know...Ohlmert leads a center-left coalition in Israel...he has clear majority support of the people. They are tired of being targeted by terrorists.
The people of Israel just want to live in peace. They have no government charter calling for the destruction of Arab nations...but they will defend themselves. After all, in order to live in peace, first one must stay alive.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: Hello Jay. |
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It may or may not interest you to know that Kadima translates verbatim into the name of mussolinis fascist party in Italy, when they were in their alliance with the third reich who were busy "liberating" europe.
We have a new version of that reich today. It is liberating the middle East.
Of course the Bush/ Hitler connections are a matter of record these days to anyone who knows that "knowledge" is good.
For his contribution to the financing of Hitler, and lucrative partnerships surrounding the death camps in Nazi Germany, Prescott Bush recieved 1.5 million dollars back in the late 30s and early 40s, ensuring the continuation today of a family of Fascist loving madmen.
Yes Jay, knowledge is good. Its good to know exactly who is running Amerika just now.
Its the same people, led by a man who officially told us that he saw the first plane fly into the first building, and who told us the big official conspiracy theory of 19 Arabs.
Hitler actually used a very similar tactic. No doubt your knowledge will relate us all the story of the radio station incident on the polish border, where Hitler dressed up a few convicts and patsies up in Polish uniforms ( as opposed to equipping a few stooges with box cutters and korans) - before shooting them, and declaring to the nation that the Homeland was under attack.
Indeed history is full of such false flags. From the Bombing of the USS liberty to the torching of Rome. From the chechyan apartment bombings, to 9/11, 7/7, Madrid et cetera.
But Ive no doubt that a man who knows how good knowledge is could have told me all that himself - right ?
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| Quote: | | They have no government charter calling for the destruction of Arab nations |
They have destroyed what was once known as Palestine and continue to occupy and brutalise the West Bank (otherwise known as what was left of Palestine after the Israelis re-drew the map). They do this and build settlements in contravention of dozens of UN resolutions calling for the cessation of settlement building and the withdrawal of Israel from the region. The goal of Israel is clear - the expansion of the state of Israel into lands currently peopled by Arabs. As long as Israel continues its policy there will be resistance. Hence the very existance of the terrorist organizations that attack Israel. |
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| Jayref shows his colours. Nuff said. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: people of Israel want to live in peace |
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Yes Jay I'm sure they do want peace, unfortunately their government doesn't share that desire. Otherwise they wouldn't be leveling Lebanon and murdering it's citizens at this very moment, they wouldn't have been pounding Palestine for the last..how many years? As for the terrorist attacks in Israel, I suspect many of those are engineered by elements within the Israeli government and intelligence, Mossad, the masters of deception,the David Copperfield of death.
Well I guess now we know were we went wrong in dealing with the IRA, according to Israeli logic an assault from air and sea, an indescriminate bombing of the whole of Ireland might just have done the trick.
We'd better flatten Leeds too, the home of the supposed terrorists who bombed London.
Sorry Jay but the logic is flawed and the act is criminal, and indefensible.
Strange how we see the french resistance of WW2 as freedom fighters, heroes. But freedom fighters in countries we illegally occuppy are terrorists, I guess it all depends whose side your on. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Jay. |
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| Abandoned Ego wrote: | | It may or may not interest you to know that Kadima translates verbatim into the name of mussolinis fascist party in Italy, when they were in their alliance with the third reich who were busy "liberating" europe. |
From Wikipedia:
The modern Israeli battle cry, the Hebrew "Kadima!", translates literally into English as "Let's go!" It has since become the name of an Israeli political party founded by Ariel Sharon.
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After his return to Italy (prompted by his mother's illness and death) he joined the staff of the "Central Organ of the Socialist Party"[3], Avanti! ("Forward!").
"Avanti" and "Let's go" are close enough yet clearly not "verbatim". However one must do a great deal of cherry picking to equate the name of a newspaper that Mussolini once wrote for to a political party.
Here's a clue; a newspaper is not a political party.
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We have a new version of that reich today. It is liberating the middle East. |
No. We don't.
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Of course the Bush/ Hitler connections are a matter of record these days to anyone who knows that "knowledge" is good. |
One may carefully select tidbits here and there that discredit or demonize their opponents...but that hardly rises to the level of knowledge. What you are engaged in is a naked smear campaign. Usaually one engaged in such a campaign is clever enough to avoid outting themselves by using "Hitler" comparisons.
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For his contribution to the financing of Hitler, and lucrative partnerships surrounding the death camps in Nazi Germany, Prescott Bush recieved 1.5 million dollars back in the late 30s and early 40s, ensuring the continuation today of a family of Fascist loving madmen. |
Evidence of this?
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Yes Jay, knowledge is good. Its good to know exactly who is running Amerika just now. |
Knowledge is good. Smear is bad.
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Its the same people, led by a man who officially told us that he saw the first plane fly into the first building, and who told us the big official conspiracy theory of 19 Arabs. |
I also saw the first plane hit the WTC. I bet you did too. A bit of film from the Naudet brothers who just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Thanks to them all of us can factually say they saw the first plane hit WTC.
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Hitler actually used a very similar tactic. No doubt your knowledge will relate us all the story of the radio station incident on the polish border, where Hitler dressed up a few convicts and patsies up in Polish uniforms ( as opposed to equipping a few stooges with box cutters and korans) - before shooting them, and declaring to the nation that the Homeland was under attack. |
More Hitler comparisons? And what exactly does any of this have to do with Kadima or 9/11?
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Indeed history is full of such false flags. From the Bombing of the USS liberty to the torching of Rome. From the chechyan apartment bombings, to 9/11, 7/7, Madrid et cetera. |
Where is your evidence 9/11 was "false flag"? If you are to blame a mass murder of over 3,000 people on someone or some government you should have actual evidence, not fanciful fairytales and doctored internet vids.
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But Ive no doubt that a man who knows how good knowledge is could have told me all that himself - right ?
Reassuring huh ? |
I believe I have.
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | They have no government charter calling for the destruction of Arab nations |
They have destroyed what was once known as Palestine and continue to occupy and brutalise the West Bank (otherwise known as what was left of Palestine after the Israelis re-drew the map). They do this and build settlements in contravention of dozens of UN resolutions calling for the cessation of settlement building and the withdrawal of Israel from the region. The goal of Israel is clear - the expansion of the state of Israel into lands currently peopled by Arabs. As long as Israel continues its policy there will be resistance. Hence the very existance of the terrorist organizations that attack Israel. |
Excuse me but IIRC the latest Israeli action in the west bank and Gaza was to remove settlements not build them. This has been rewarded with more rockets from Gaza.
Why does the Palestinian Charter still call for the total destruction of Israel?
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| alwun wrote: | | Jayref shows his colours. Nuff said. |
What? That I am against skin heads and Aryan Nations thugs being touted as "historians" to the gullible "troothers"?
Yeah, I guess you have me pegged.
Carry on.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: people of Israel want to live in peace |
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| ishaar wrote: | Yes Jay I'm sure they do want peace, unfortunately their government doesn't share that desire. Otherwise they wouldn't be leveling Lebanon and murdering it's citizens at this very moment, they wouldn't have been pounding Palestine for the last..how many years? As for the terrorist attacks in Israel, I suspect many of those are engineered by elements within the Israeli government and intelligence, Mossad, the masters of deception,the David Copperfield of death.
Well I guess now we know were we went wrong in dealing with the IRA, according to Israeli logic an assault from air and sea, an indescriminate bombing of the whole of Ireland might just have done the trick.
We'd better flatten Leeds too, the home of the supposed terrorists who bombed London.
Sorry Jay but the logic is flawed and the act is criminal, and indefensible.
Strange how we see the french resistance of WW2 as freedom fighters, heroes. But freedom fighters in countries we illegally occuppy are terrorists, I guess it all depends whose side your on. |
Yes the logic is flawed. When will Israel not illegally "occupy" Palestine? When it ceases to exist? When one side is singled out as the root of all evil then logic is purposely and casually thrown out the window.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Jay. |
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[quote="Jay Ref"] | Abandoned Ego wrote: | | It may or may not interest you to know that Kadima translates verbatim into the name of mussolinis fascist party in Italy, when they were in their alliance with the third reich who were busy "liberating" europe. |
From Wikipedia:
The modern Israeli battle cry, the Hebrew "Kadima!", translates literally into English as "Let's go!" It has since become the name of an Israeli political party founded by Ariel Sharon.
Further from Wikipedia:
After his return to Italy (prompted by his mother's illness and death) he joined the staff of the "Central Organ of the Socialist Party"[3], Avanti! ("Forward!").
"Avanti" and "Let's go" are close enough yet clearly not "verbatim". However one must do a great deal of cherry picking to equate the name of a newspaper that Mussolini once wrote for to a political party.
Here's a clue; a newspaper is not a political party.
When I see scurrilous blatantly flawed nit picking like this, I just shrug my shoulders on the one hand, whilst on the other remain steadfast in my determination to expose the official conspiracy theory of 19 arabs.
So we Have Avanti ( Italian), and Kadima ( Hebrew) , which translates to "Lets go and foreward" in English. Tell me Jay, How would the Italians say Kadima, and how would the Hebrews say Avanti ?
We have a new version of that reich today. It is liberating the middle East
No. We don't.
Well thats a matter of opinion. Ever compared a Bush and Hitler speech ?
Hitler was liberating poland, whilst Bush is spreading the flames of Democracy in Iraq. Both were lying through their teeth. Get the nitpick out.
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Of course the Bush/ Hitler connections are a matter of record these days to anyone who knows that "knowledge" is good. |
One may carefully select tidbits here and there that discredit or demonize their opponents...but that hardly rises to the level of knowledge. What you are engaged in is a naked smear campaign. Usaually one engaged in such a campaign is clever enough to avoid outting themselves by using "Hitler" comparisons.
How about doing some serious reading for a change;
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
| Quote: | | For his contribution to the financing of Hitler, and lucrative partnerships surrounding the death camps in Nazi Germany, Prescott Bush recieved 1.5 million dollars back in the late 30s and early 40s, ensuring the continuation today of a family of Fascist loving madmen. |
Evidence of this?
See above. In fact might I reccomend the entire book.
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Knowledge is good. Smear is bad.
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Its the same people, led by a man who officially told us that he saw the first plane fly into the first building, and who told us the big official conspiracy theory of 19 Arabs. |
I also saw the first plane hit the WTC. I bet you did too. A bit of film from the Naudet brothers who just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Thanks to them all of us can factually say they saw the first plane hit WTC.
Did you see it hit AT THE TIME like Bush said he did ? The video wasnt released until several days later. Which TV screen did he see this on ?
| Quote: | | Hitler actually used a very similar tactic. No doubt your knowledge will relate us all the story of the radio station incident on the polish border, where Hitler dressed up a few convicts and patsies up in Polish uniforms ( as opposed to equipping a few stooges with box cutters and korans) - before shooting them, and declaring to the nation that the Homeland was under attack. |
More Hitler comparisons? And what exactly does any of this have to do with Kadima or 9/11?
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Indeed history is full of such false flags. From the Bombing of the USS liberty to the torching of Rome. From the chechyan apartment bombings, to 9/11, 7/7, Madrid et cetera. |
Where is your evidence 9/11 was "false flag"? If you are to blame a mass murder of over 3,000 people on someone or some government you should have actual evidence, not fanciful fairytales and doctored internet vids.
My evidence comes from a concrete disbelief in the possibility of Hani Hanjours flying antics. My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it wasnt Al Quaeda who instructed Dave Frasca to issue the Operation Able danger response, suggesting that Agents place a post it sticker over pictures of Mohammed Atta.
My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it is not AL QUAEDA who are preventing Sibel Edmunds from disclosing the Key US Government officials involved in arms dealing, drug trafficking, and protecting those responsible for 9/11.
My Evidence comes from the fact that it was not AL QAUEDA who prevented Colleen Rowley and other field agents presenting evidence of both the hijackers and those shielding them to the appropriate authorities.
My evidence tells me that it was elements within the treacherous US govnt who were responsible for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
My Evidence and life experience tell me that there is little to no such thing as general coincidence when it comes to life, and little to non whatsoever when it comes to politics. Having read the Coincidence theorists ( your) guide to 9/11, I find the combined coincidences beyond the realm of an remotely reasonable level of acceptability.
And finally my evidence comes from a good pair of Eyes and a modicum of common sense when I see what happened to the towers, and at the pentagon - For all the scientific toing and froing
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But Ive no doubt that a man who knows how good knowledge is could have told me all that himself - right ?
Reassuring huh ? |
I believe I have.
All I saw was a pile of nit picking and conjecture. And incidentally, were still waiting for your 19 hijackers conspiracy theory.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: This is evidence? |
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| Quote: | | My evidence comes from a concrete disbelief in the possibility of Hani Hanjours flying antics. My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it wasnt Al Quaeda who instructed Dave Frasca to issue the Operation Able danger response, suggesting that Agents place a post it sticker over pictures of Mohammed Atta. |
Disbelief; concrete or squishy; is not evidence of anything other than your mental processes.
Belief; concrete or mushy; is simply not knowledge. Belief is more akin to faith and religion.
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My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it is not AL QUAEDA who are preventing Sibel Edmunds from disclosing the Key US Government officials involved in arms dealing, drug trafficking, and protecting those responsible for 9/11. |
Again belief and/or disbelief is not evidence or knowledge.
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My Evidence comes from the fact that it was not AL QAUEDA who prevented Colleen Rowley and other field agents presenting evidence of both the hijackers and those shielding them to the appropriate authorities.
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Which is evidence of inter-departmental government screwups. So, when the military buys a $600 screwdriver or a convict is released from jail early by mistake...that is also AQ? Does anything you say ever make any sense?
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My evidence tells me that it was elements within the treacherous US govnt who were responsible for ALL OF THE ABOVE. |
The voices in your head are not evidence of anything except undiagnosed mental illness.
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My Evidence and life experience tell me that there is little to no such thing as general coincidence when it comes to life, and little to non whatsoever when it comes to politics. Having read the Coincidence theorists ( your) guide to 9/11, I find the combined coincidences beyond the realm of an remotely reasonable level of acceptability. |
That you have no evidence of anything other than a strangeness between your ears is apparent to all.
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And finally my evidence comes from a good pair of Eyes and a modicum of common sense when I see what happened to the towers, and at the pentagon - For all the scientific toing and froing
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Were you there with your good set of eyes then? Finally, your evidence is zilch, nada, nothing, zip,.... An irrational hatred of Bush is not evidence.
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Keep going Jay Ref, you are doing an excellent job for us. Any one reading your contrary views and responses, after seeing the huge amount of evidence we have that 9/11 was an inside job, will soon realise we are on the up and up and people like you are getting somewhat desperate.
Keep up the excellent work, my friend. Well done.
Justin
PS President Bush claimed he saw the first plane hit the North tower LIVE - ie not from the recorded footage of the Naudet Brothers. Where you watching with him by any chance?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: Oh well. |
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| Jay Ref wrote: | | Quote: | | My evidence comes from a concrete disbelief in the possibility of Hani Hanjours flying antics. My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it wasnt Al Quaeda who instructed Dave Frasca to issue the Operation Able danger response, suggesting that Agents place a post it sticker over pictures of Mohammed Atta. |
Disbelief; concrete or squishy; is not evidence of anything other than your mental processes.
Your thoughts on that fact , and the fact that frascas protection of Atta ( Treason) resulted in his promotion ?
Belief; concrete or mushy; is simply not knowledge. Belief is more akin to faith and religion.
Your thoughts on the fact that a traitor who prevented Atta from being stopped is promoted by the Government ?
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My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it is not AL QUAEDA who are preventing Sibel Edmunds from disclosing the Key US Government officials involved in arms dealing, drug trafficking, and protecting those responsible for 9/11. |
Again belief and/or disbelief is not evidence or knowledge.
Your thoughts on the silencing of a true patriot who knows who the terrorists are , yet is being silenced by the US government ?
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My Evidence comes from the fact that it was not AL QAUEDA who prevented Colleen Rowley and other field agents presenting evidence of both the hijackers and those shielding them to the appropriate authorities.
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Which is evidence of inter-departmental government screwups. So, when the military buys a $600 screwdriver or a convict is released from jail early by mistake...that is also AQ? Does anything you say ever make any sense?
How would you describe the subsequent promotion of Dave Frasca for facilitating this "screw up" ?
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My evidence tells me that it was elements within the treacherous US govnt who were responsible for ALL OF THE ABOVE. |
The voices in your head are not evidence of anything except undiagnosed mental illness.
When did facts become voices in my head ? Here I am listing facts ( Knowledge is a useful thing ) and youre now telling me these are voices in my head ?
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My Evidence and life experience tell me that there is little to no such thing as general coincidence when it comes to life, and little to non whatsoever when it comes to politics. Having read the Coincidence theorists ( your) guide to 9/11, I find the combined coincidences beyond the realm of an remotely reasonable level of acceptability. |
That you have no evidence of anything other than a strangeness between your ears is apparent to all.
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And finally my evidence comes from a good pair of Eyes and a modicum of common sense when I see what happened to the towers, and at the pentagon - For all the scientific toing and froing
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Were you there with your good set of eyes then? Finally, your evidence is zilch, nada, nothing, zip,.... An irrational hatred of Bush is not evidence.
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Ive quoted you plenty of facts there. Ive listened to nothing but the usual tirade of insults, on top of which you never told me how the Israelis would say Avanti ?
Perhaps youre too busy reading about Bush and his fascist Nazi collusions as he strove to build the existing 4th reich in case his plans for the third Reich failed, which they ultimately did. But at least the dynasty Runs on.
Tell me Jay, what does the 322 beneath the Harvard Skull and Bones emblem signify. The emblem is of course the Skull and Crossbones. It is of course worthy of note that Both Fascist financier Prescot Bushes Son and Grandson were Bonesmen ?
Where was that skull and crossbone seen last in large numbers Jay ?
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I have to agree with Abandoned Ego and Justin, Jay Ref needs to keep those replies and insults coming...  Most amusing. |
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| Justin wrote: | Keep going Jay Ref, you are doing an excellent job for us. Any one reading your contrary views and responses, after seeing the huge amount of evidence we have that 9/11 was an inside job, will soon realise we are on the up and up and people like you are getting somewhat desperate.
Keep up the excellent work, my friend. Well done.
Justin
PS President Bush claimed he saw the first plane hit the North tower LIVE - ie not from the recorded footage of the Naudet Brothers. Where you watching with him by any chance? |
Just like Silverstein told the FDNY to "pull it"? Are there any out of context quotes you guys don't embrace? Please post a link to Bush saying he saw the first plane hit "live". I'll then deliver the quote in it's proper context. Shouldn't take any effort at all.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Oh well. |
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| Abandoned Ego wrote: | | Jay Ref wrote: | | Quote: | | My evidence comes from a concrete disbelief in the possibility of Hani Hanjours flying antics. My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it wasnt Al Quaeda who instructed Dave Frasca to issue the Operation Able danger response, suggesting that Agents place a post it sticker over pictures of Mohammed Atta. |
Disbelief; concrete or squishy; is not evidence of anything other than your mental processes.
Your thoughts on that fact , and the fact that frascas protection of Atta ( Treason) resulted in his promotion ?
Belief; concrete or mushy; is simply not knowledge. Belief is more akin to faith and religion.
Your thoughts on the fact that a traitor who prevented Atta from being stopped is promoted by the Government ?
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My knowledge comes from the concrete belief that it is not AL QUAEDA who are preventing Sibel Edmunds from disclosing the Key US Government officials involved in arms dealing, drug trafficking, and protecting those responsible for 9/11. |
Again belief and/or disbelief is not evidence or knowledge.
Your thoughts on the silencing of a true patriot who knows who the terrorists are , yet is being silenced by the US government ?
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My Evidence comes from the fact that it was not AL QAUEDA who prevented Colleen Rowley and other field agents presenting evidence of both the hijackers and those shielding them to the appropriate authorities.
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Which is evidence of inter-departmental government screwups. So, when the military buys a $600 screwdriver or a convict is released from jail early by mistake...that is also AQ? Does anything you say ever make any sense?
How would you describe the subsequent promotion of Dave Frasca for facilitating this "screw up" ?
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My evidence tells me that it was elements within the treacherous US govnt who were responsible for ALL OF THE ABOVE. |
The voices in your head are not evidence of anything except undiagnosed mental illness.
When did facts become voices in my head ? Here I am listing facts ( Knowledge is a useful thing ) and youre now telling me these are voices in my head ?
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My Evidence and life experience tell me that there is little to no such thing as general coincidence when it comes to life, and little to non whatsoever when it comes to politics. Having read the Coincidence theorists ( your) guide to 9/11, I find the combined coincidences beyond the realm of an remotely reasonable level of acceptability. |
That you have no evidence of anything other than a strangeness between your ears is apparent to all.
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And finally my evidence comes from a good pair of Eyes and a modicum of common sense when I see what happened to the towers, and at the pentagon - For all the scientific toing and froing
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Were you there with your good set of eyes then? Finally, your evidence is zilch, nada, nothing, zip,.... An irrational hatred of Bush is not evidence.
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Ive quoted you plenty of facts there. Ive listened to nothing but the usual tirade of insults, on top of which you never told me how the Israelis would say Avanti ?
Perhaps youre too busy reading about Bush and his fascist Nazi collusions as he strove to build the existing 4th reich in case his plans for the third Reich failed, which they ultimately did. But at least the dynasty Runs on.
Tell me Jay, what does the 322 beneath the Harvard Skull and Bones emblem signify. The emblem is of course the Skull and Crossbones. It is of course worthy of note that Both Fascist financier Prescot Bushes Son and Grandson were Bonesmen ?
Where was that skull and crossbone seen last in large numbers Jay ?
Remember how useful knowledge is. |
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
w00t!
Insanity is entertaining! BTW ego, what colour is the sky on your planet?
-z
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Jay Ref
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| dodgy wrote: | | I have to agree with Abandoned Ego and Justin, Jay Ref needs to keep those replies and insults coming... Most amusing. |
I shall reply to you in the style of Abandoned Ego and Louis Farrukhan:
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There, in the middle of this mall is the Washington Monument, 555 feet high. But if we put a one in front of that 555 feet, we get 1555, the year that our first fathers landed on the shores of Jamestown, Virginia as slaves.
In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial, each one of these monuments is 19 feet high.
Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president. Thomas Jefferson, the third president, and 16 and three make 19 again. What is so deep about this number 19 ? Why are we standing on the Capitol steps today? That number 19 -- when you have a nine you have a womb that is pregnant. And when you have a one standing by the nine, it means that there's something secret that has to be unfolded. . . .
. . . the layout of this great city, laid out by a Black man, Benjamin Banneker. This is all placed and based in a secret Masonic ritual. And at the core of the secret of that ritual is the Black man, not far from here is the White House.
And the first president of this land, George Washington, who was a grand master of the Masonic order, laid the foundation, the cornerstone of this capitol building where we stand. George was a slave owner. George was a slave owner. Now, the President spoke today and he wanted to heal the great divide. But I respectfully suggest to the President, you did not dig deep enough at the malady that divides Black and White in order affect a solution to the problem.
And so, today, we have to deal with the root so that perhaps a healing can take place. . . .
. . . And now, I want to say, my brothers -- this is a very pregnant moment. Pregnant with the possibility of tremendous change in our status in America and in the world. . . .
. . . I want to take one last look at the word atonement.
The first four letters of the word form the foundation; "a- t-o-n". . . "a-ton", "a-ton". Since this obelisk in front of us is representative of Egypt. In the 18th dynasty, a Pharaoh named Akhenaton, was the first man of this history period to destroy the pantheon of many gods and bring the people to the worship of one god. And that one god was symboled by a sun disk with 19 rays coming out of that sun with hands holding the Egyptian Ankh - the cross of life. A- ton. The name for the one god in ancient Egypt. A- ton, the one god. 19 rays. Look at your scripture.
A woman, remember the nine, means somebody pregnant, with an idea. But, in this case, its a woman pregnant with a male child destined to rule the nations with a rod of iron. God is standing over her womb, and this child will be like the day sun, and he will say "I am the light of the world." Hands coming out of that sun, come unto me all ye that are heavy laden. I'm gonna give you rest, but I'm gonna give you life, because I am the resurrection and the life and if you believe in me, though you are dead, yet shall you live again.
You're dead, Black man. But if you believe in the god who created this sun of truth and of light with 19 rays, meaning he's pregnant with God's spirit, God's life, God's wisdom. Abraham Lincoln's statue, 19 feet high, 19 feet wide. Jefferson, 19 feet high, 16 (OFF-MIKE) and the third president, 19 . Standing on the steps of the Capitol, in the light of the sun. Offering life to a people who are dead.
Black man, the a-ton represents the one God. In the Koran, Muhammad is called a light giving son. So if you look at the aton, add an "e" to it, and separate the "a" from the next four letters and you get the word a tone.
A tone means sound. And "a", the first letter of the alphabet and the first letter of the numerical system is one. So "a" equals one. So "a" sound means when you hear the "a" tone, you will hear the right sound. And when you hear the right sound from the one God calling you to divine life, you will respond. So what is the "a" tone? In music, a equals 440 vibrations. How long have we been in America? Four hundred and forty years.
Well, in the 440th year, from the one God, the aton will come the a tone and all of us got to tune up our lives by the sound of the a tone. Because we've got to atone for all that we have done wrong. And when you atone, if you take the "t" and couple it with the "a" and hyphenate it, you get at one. So when you atone you become at one. At one with who? The aton or the one God. Because you heard the a tone and you tuned up your life and now you're ready to make a new beginning.
So when you get at one, you get the next two letters. It is "m" "e". Me. Who is it that has to atone? |
Dylan Avery is my guess....
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Abandoned Ego
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: Respect. |
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Having afforded you the utmost respect, I have noted your recent replies.
Let us begin with your response to my serious of questions on your thoughts about the facts Ive presented.
| Quote: | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
w00t!
Insanity is entertaining! BTW ego, what colour is the sky on your planet? |
Im having difficulty relating this answer to any of the questions Ive asked you.
This isnt the Shout abuse forum. This isnt a conspiracy theory forum. This is a forum for those seeking answers to some serious question from what to my mind are official conspiracy theorists.
Am I to take it that this is a representative answer from the 19 Arabs conspiracy camp ?
Anyone else with any better thoughts ?
As for your second response, what should have occurred to you as a man who claims that "knowledge is good", is that Im trying to give you a mere sprinkling of the background knowledge of people on this forum.
This I was hoping would enable you to engage in some reflection upon the facts of the matter. They are all facts Jay. I havent read your Masonic mumbo jumbo. Ive got enough REAL facts about them.
Im dissapointed therefore to see that the above riposte is the best you can do.
However being a decent sort, I will ask you once again to consider what you have been told here today. Go away and check my points carefully. I will be only too happy to indulge you in a reasonable discussion of any of the points Ive made.
But please no more of the "BWAHAHAHAH nonsense" Thats just plain silly.
To quote you, its Knowledge that is good, not the above childish stuff. |
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Jay Ref
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Respect. |
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| Abandoned Ego wrote: | Having afforded you the utmost respect, I have noted your recent replies.
Let us begin with your response to my serious of questions on your thoughts about the facts Ive presented.
| Quote: | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
w00t!
Insanity is entertaining! BTW ego, what colour is the sky on your planet? |
Im having difficulty relating this answer to any of the questions Ive asked you.
This isnt the Shout abuse forum. This isnt a conspiracy theory forum. This is a forum for those seeking answers to some serious question from what to my mind are official conspiracy theorists.
Am I to take it that this is a representative answer from the 19 Arabs conspiracy camp ?
Anyone else with any better thoughts ?
As for your second response, what should have occurred to you as a man who claims that "knowledge is good", is that Im trying to give you a mere sprinkling of the background knowledge of people on this forum.
This I was hoping would enable you to engage in some reflection upon the facts of the matter. They are all facts Jay. I havent read your Masonic mumbo jumbo. Ive got enough REAL facts about them.
Im dissapointed therefore to see that the above riposte is the best you can do.
However being a decent sort, I will ask you once again to consider what you have been told here today. Go away and check my points carefully. I will be only too happy to indulge you in a reasonable discussion of any of the points Ive made.
But please no more of the "BWAHAHAHAH nonsense" Thats just plain silly.
To quote you, its Knowledge that is good, not the above childish stuff. |
Sorry but the level of my earlier response was carefully tailored and exactly crafted to meet/exceed the level of your "evidence".
Carry on.
-z
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dodgy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Jay Ref wrote: | I shall reply to you in the style of Abandoned Ego and Louis Farrukhan:
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There, in the middle of this mall is the Washington Monument, 555 feet high. But if we put a one in front of that 555 feet, we get 1555, the year that our first fathers landed on the shores of Jamestown, Virginia as slaves.
In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial, each one of these monuments is 19 feet high.
Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president. Thomas Jefferson, the third president, and 16 and three make 19 again. What is so deep about this number 19 ? Why are we standing on the Capitol steps today? That number 19 -- when you have a nine you have a womb that is pregnant. And when you have a one standing by the nine, it means that there's something secret that has to be unfolded. . . .
. . . the layout of this great city, laid out by a Black man, Benjamin Banneker. This is all placed and based in a secret Masonic ritual. And at the core of the secret of that ritual is the Black man, not far from here is the White House.
And the first president of this land, George Washington, who was a grand master of the Masonic order, laid the foundation, the cornerstone of this capitol building where we stand. George was a slave owner. George was a slave owner. Now, the President spoke today and he wanted to heal the great divide. But I respectfully suggest to the President, you did not dig deep enough at the malady that divides Black and White in order affect a solution to the problem.
And so, today, we have to deal with the root so that perhaps a healing can take place. . . .
. . . And now, I want to say, my brothers -- this is a very pregnant moment. Pregnant with the possibility of tremendous change in our status in America and in the world. . . .
. . . I want to take one last look at the word atonement.
The first four letters of the word form the foundation; "a- t-o-n". . . "a-ton", "a-ton". Since this obelisk in front of us is representative of Egypt. In the 18th dynasty, a Pharaoh named Akhenaton, was the first man of this history period to destroy the pantheon of many gods and bring the people to the worship of one god. And that one god was symboled by a sun disk with 19 rays coming out of that sun with hands holding the Egyptian Ankh - the cross of life. A- ton. The name for the one god in ancient Egypt. A- ton, the one god. 19 rays. Look at your scripture.
A woman, remember the nine, means somebody pregnant, with an idea. But, in this case, its a woman pregnant with a male child destined to rule the nations with a rod of iron. God is standing over her womb, and this child will be like the day sun, and he will say "I am the light of the world." Hands coming out of that sun, come unto me all ye that are heavy laden. I'm gonna give you rest, but I'm gonna give you life, because I am the resurrection and the life and if you believe in me, though you are dead, yet shall you live again.
You're dead, Black man. But if you believe in the god who created this sun of truth and of light with 19 rays, meaning he's pregnant with God's spirit, God's life, God's wisdom. Abraham Lincoln's statue, 19 feet high, 19 feet wide. Jefferson, 19 feet high, 16 (OFF-MIKE) and the third president, 19 . Standing on the steps of the Capitol, in the light of the sun. Offering life to a people who are dead.
Black man, the a-ton represents the one God. In the Koran, Muhammad is called a light giving son. So if you look at the aton, add an "e" to it, and separate the "a" from the next four letters and you get the word a tone.
A tone means sound. And "a", the first letter of the alphabet and the first letter of the numerical system is one. So "a" equals one. So "a" sound means when you hear the "a" tone, you will hear the right sound. And when you hear the right sound from the one God calling you to divine life, you will respond. So what is the "a" tone? In music, a equals 440 vibrations. How long have we been in America? Four hundred and forty years.
Well, in the 440th year, from the one God, the aton will come the a tone and all of us got to tune up our lives by the sound of the a tone. Because we've got to atone for all that we have done wrong. And when you atone, if you take the "t" and couple it with the "a" and hyphenate it, you get at one. So when you atone you become at one. At one with who? The aton or the one God. Because you heard the a tone and you tuned up your life and now you're ready to make a new beginning.
So when you get at one, you get the next two letters. It is "m" "e". Me. Who is it that has to atone? |
Dylan Avery is my guess....
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Yep, keep it coming... this is hilarious stuff & smacks of your level of intelligence. Why do you assume that I like Dylan Avery? I can only guess it is because you are a narrow-minded, bigoted fool.
ps Are you available for weddings/barmitzvahs? |
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Jay Ref
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| dodgy wrote: |
Yep, keep it coming... this is hilarious stuff & smacks of your level of intelligence. Why do you assume that I like Dylan Avery? I can only guess it is because you are a narrow-minded, bigoted fool.
ps Are you available for weddings/barmitzvahs? |
Well he is the hero of the stupid at the moment...
So tell me...what brand of CTmadness are you afflicted with? Are you a no-planer? A David Icke "Reptiles rule the world"-er? Seeing "controlled demolitions" everywhere you look? UFO's? Bilderbergers? The Illuminati? Perhaps you have some strange cafeteria-style combination of the above?
So, what's your take on 9/11?
-z
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scar
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Jay Ref wrote: | | So tell me...what brand of CTmadness... |
The current top 'brand of CTmadness' is the official 9/11 fairytale.
'Psychotic falseflag termites with C4 backpacks, mind controlling everyone with their Haarp-helmets' isnt even close to that league of insanity.
Carry on.
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