Zionist propaganda watch

[simplesimon]

Zionist propaganda watch

I've been thinking for a while about starting an ongoing thread called "Zionist propaganda watch". I'd like to expand on this here and now, but have to sleep, and for now, if anyone is still awake, check out "The Believer" right now on Film4. Hilarious.

[zennon]

Here's an idea; why don't you fu*k off with all this anti-Semitic bullsh*t.

It's nonsense like this, the idea that ZOG controls world affairs, which holds the truth movement back.

[Stuart]

I don't see the connection between Zionist and Anti-semitism

I have no beef with you Zennon but its comments like the one you just made which lead people to start such a thread

Zionists are one of the last to have the semite interests at heart, yet pull the anti-semite card out whenever it suits them.

Lets be clear, one is a political movement, the other is a faith so i see no reason for there to be hostility towards the thread even if it is by a truth critic.

[chek]

Well Stuart, maybe you haven't been aware of what's been going on here for a few months now.

Unfortunately, discussion of "Zionism" morphs seamlessly into 'Talmudic Judaism' then into the sort of sheeite that was no doubt being bandied around Germany in the 1930's. Before you know it, any old zealot with an agenda is being quoted as if they were somebody that mattered and their words constitute 'Zionism'.

I don't have any problem with anybody who sees fit to put the boot into the 'New World Order', or Israeli policies; but 'Zionism' has now become a code word for 'Jews'. It's discussion routinely involves the known holocaust denial tactic of 'salami slicing' and reference to pro-nazi websites.

It doesn't take a genius weatherman to see which way the wind's being encouraged to blow round here.

[Dogsmilk]

There is partly a clue in Herr Sparky seeing fit to state "for now" to check out the believer in terms of "Zionist" propaganda. I am wondering if our resident genius will explain how a film depicting a Jew who decides to become a Nazi, apparently inspired by some KKK member who turned out to be Jewish, constitutes "Zionist propaganda". I, er, didn't see much about Zionism in it. I doubt our resident shining example of the glory of genetic purity will bother to explain where the actual "Zionist propaganda" comes into it.

I personally suspect he would probably think american history x is also "Zionist propaganda" (it was, after all, directed by a Jew) and I daresay he thinks romper stomper is a sad tale of some brave young men suffering for their noble ideals.

[simplesimon]

zennon wrote:

[zennon]

[zennon]

[simplesimon]

zennon wrote:

[zennon]

There's a difference?

[Andrew.]

[TonyGosling]

[insidejob]

I have said before that banning so-called Holocaust denial is wrong - but if people wish to advance the idea that the gas chambers were a hoax they should have evidence and if not they should be banned.

I am also coming to the belief that any statement who accuses 'Jews' of being involved in a conspiracy should also be banned by this website. Anyone who does not want to be banned while advancing this theory should make it clear that they are talking about:
- a cabal of Jewish individuals,
- an elite of Jewish individuals,
- a group of Jewish individuals, and
a group who exploit Judism for their purposes,
- Zionists, etc.

As for Zennon, I suspect he or she is attacking simplesimon in bad faith and wants to suppress all theories about a conspiracy involving groups of individuals who are Jewish.

On the basis that Zennon is less likely to be Anti-semitic than the rest of us, I think he/she should kick off this debate with a conspiracy theory that some Jewish people may be involved in.

[simplesimon]

zennon wrote

[simplesimon]

There was some "debate" (lmfao) about the extent to which non-news media (e.g. comedy) was tasked with propagating the big lies of our time in this thread:

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=108684&highlight=&sid =2d4f6599ffc7ec6430512a9961c366d3#108684

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Let's have a look at this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7531401.stm

"Row changed opening of Dad's Army"

[simplesimon]

2008-07-30, 2026BST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", reference to "Genocide of the Jews"

2008-07-30, 2029BST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", reference to positive aspects of China, linking "modernity" and "internationalism".

2008-07-30, 2026BST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", Melanie Griffith on about "genocide, genocide, genocide..."

2008-07-30, 2035BST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", guests talk about changes (the need for which is assumed & unspoken) in China

2008-07-30, 20236ST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", MG talks suggests that the only reason we don't "liberally intervene" for human rights in China is 'cos they're harder than us, and isn't it "morally despicable"?

2008-07-30, 2041BST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", " is this about Western anxiety to change the World ? - MG "Yes, we're all worried about change..."

2008-07-30, 2042BST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", Portillo says Hitler was a great fan of classical music, therefore invalidating the point he was responding to.


2008-07-30, ......., BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze", etc, etc, etc.


2008-07-30, 2038BST, BBC Radio 4, "The Moral Maze",
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/religion/moralmaze.shtml

[simplesimon]

2008-07-31, 1720BST, BBC Radio 4

Item on Edinburgh Fringe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/pm/

20m20s in.

"You might call it the culture of discomfort, theatre to make you squirm..."

Irving Gregory
Bob Berger


Simon Stevens

"Pornography" "Set in the days leading up to and just beyond 7/7...it's a focus on the "real"..."
(The rag-heads did it of course - but let's try to understand them.)

An excerpt which suggests the playwright wants us to think that it's only bigoted Muslims who are offended by:

"Nine year children all dazzled up in boob tubes, and mini skirts and spangly eye liner, as fat as little pigs..."

The "boys who did it" were a product of England.

"The Factory" ... aims to re-create the process of human extermination... at Auschwitz

THEY WILL KILL US !
THEY WILL KILL US !
THEY WILL KILL US !
THEY WILL KILL US !

This is theatre as total immersion ... It's creator is Steve Lambert - why are you doing this now?(lmfao)

Although these things happened 60 years ago, 70 years ago ...genocide is not something we should forget... we have it in Darfur today...

We haven't learned from history... By highlighting events that we in a sense think we know and understand... we don't understand pain, death, suffering, fear...
(As though "we" ever want war, let alone "genocide")

One of the ideas is to give reality to violence ... allow the audience to experience violence, in their face, a very real experience... and that's vital I think...
(fade up mournful Jewish singing)

... singing on the way to the "gas chambers" ....

Steve Lambert seems to be "deranged and obsessed" with the H.
http://www.badactheatre.com/ashesiframe.htm
http://magazine.brighton.co.uk/index.asp?sec_id=1&cat_id=30&sub_id=66& art_id=2592

In fact a quick search on the names of every single playwright mentioned in the piece suggests that they are all quite active in promoting the H meme, and all (not sure about Stevens) Jewish. I could be wrong though.

Of course only a "racist" would even notice this, let alone point it out, let alone suggest that it has any significance.

(Note to mods - I am not seeking to discuss the forbidden H - this post is exclusively concerned with propaganda)


On a happier note, also at Edinburgh Fringe:

http://www.roguesandvagabonds.co.uk/cgi-bin/newslist.pl?bid=10830

New World Order 30 July - 25 August 2008 The Bongo Club

Why are we at war in the Middle East? Was 9/11 an ‘inside job’? What is the New World Order? From the creator/producer of the quintuple five-star rated, award-winning comedy, Love Labours Won (‘Pick of the Fringe’ 2006 & 2007), comes Ryan J-W Smith’s latest and most politically daring work from the Rogue Shakespeare Company.

Led by ‘The King’, New World Order takes audiences into the pseudo-classroom of the would-be nefarious world ruler as he gives a master class in leading a nation to war through fear and propaganda. Like all Smith’s plays, New World Order is written entirely in rhyming iambic verse.

The product of two years solid study within the high walls of Bush’s America, New World Order is a unique commentary - sometimes humorous, often disturbing - on the startling truths surrounding America’s current Neo-Conservative administration, the methodology of its rise to power, how it correlates to past administrations and fits in with America's overall quest for global hegemony since the end of World War II.

Perhaps most incredibly, New World Order presents some of the overwhelming evidence supporting the suggestion that 9/11 was almost certainly an inside job. Written, directed by, and starring Smith, the world premiere will take place at The Bongo Club during the Edinburgh Festival, with free whiskey shots being provided to the first forty eligible customers per night.

Pity they felt the need to offer free shots. I wonder why PM didn't feature this work...not. Anyone here going to Edinburgh?
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EDIT: corrected time to 1720BST

[simplesimon]

The Afternoon Play on R4 right now is telling us how wicked Nasser was to nationalise the Suez Canal. (And how wicked Hitler was of course) I had read somewhere that it was Rothschild controlled, so googled <suez canal rothschild>.

The first result was from Italian MSM (LA Stampa)

http://www.lastampa.it/_web/CMSTP/tmplrubriche/giornalisti/grubrica.as p?ID_blog=145&ID_articolo=63&ID_sezione=308&sezione=

"The Rothschilds were an international bank with family branches in London, Paris, Vienna, Frankfurt and Naples in an age of competing national empires. The classic case of where one Rothschild had to hide its business from another was over control of the Suez Canal in 1875."

"Hide" their business from each other - LMFAO.

That's right - they are really in competition with each other - now I get it.

Anyone interested in Rothschild / Suez can search themselves, but I think the purpose of this thread is best served by merely pointing out the above.

[TonyGosling]

An interesting site that....

ADDRESSING EARTH
In the world, approximately 95% of the wealth is possessed by approximately
5% of the people. The politicians would have us all believe
that this is the will of the majority. That is the politician’s idea of what they call democracy.
http://jahtruth.net/democra.htm
God has prohibited the writing of laws and economic policies by humans,
in order to protect the majority from abuse, and oppression created under the home-made laws of the rich and powerful. The Law of the Lord, which was given at Mount Sinai, provides not merely the Ten Commandments, but provision for every department of life. It deals with every aspect of life and order, including economics,
property, justice, housing, food, hygiene, agriculture and armed forces. It was designed to bring joy, health, peace and blessing to all or any people who would accept it and abide by it. The original copies of The Perfect Law of Freedom/Liberty are in storage in a special Box; along with The Two Stone Tablets with The Ten Commandments written upon them; known as The Ark of The Covenant. http://jahtruth.net/arkmovie.htm The choice today is between slavery and death on the one hand, and freedom and life on the other; between Satan and Christ.God explained to you, via Moses, that those of you who will not LIVE by those Principles and The Law will DIE by The Law, and, contrary (the opposite) to what you have been told by priests of all denominations,
He always says what He means and HE MEANS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS.CHRIST promised, in the Gospel of John, that at His Second Coming, just before The End, He would show people clearly about God. And One has returned from the dead – JAH.
The decision rests with you.
Prince Michael/Christ
http://jahtruth.net

[uselesseater]

Why have a specifically Zionist propaganda watch?

You may as well have a nazism, communism, capitalism or environmentalism propaganda watch.

What's so special about Zionism? It's just an incident of a far reaching plan, a convenient peg on which to hang a large weapon.

[simplesimon]

uselesseater wrote:

[simplesimon]

TonyGosling wrote: (at 9.50pm)

[TonyGosling]

Post deleted.
I'm worried I might be breaking my own rules.

Actually it's s simple question.

[TonyGosling]

names named

How Jewish is Hollywood?

A poll finds more Americans disagree with the statement that 'Jews control Hollywood.' But here's one Jew who doesn't.
Joel Stein - December 19, 2008

I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)............................

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19  ,0,4676183.column

[simplesimon]

Living with Globalisation

Thursday 15 January
4:40am - 5:00am
BBC2
Football

Age 14-16. The lives of everyone in the United Kingdom are becoming increasingly bound up with the global economy. Through stories of real people and places we explore the process of globalisation as it relates to sport and leisure.


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[simplesimon]

http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=134&progr ammeId=91081355&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp

Jane Doe: Eye of the Beholder
Film

Thursday 15 January
3:15pm - 5:00pm
Five

Mystery thriller. A series of robberies at an art gallery prompt an amateur sleuth and her partner to investigate, but the case is complicated when her sidekick becomes romantically involved with the prime suspect.
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Accidentally tuned in just now. The scene was hero cop raiding what looks like a patriot militia group. Be frustrated (along with the good guys) as all the weapons are legal and constitutional. Later at HQ, the heroes discover they're "Nazis", and the beautiful people all look shocked and disgusted. "I didn't know this was a hate crime". LMFAO.

[Alexander]

ITV News reporter Bill Neeley - "one of the few Western journalists allowed into Iran" the item claimed - has just said "Iran provides 30 million dollars a year in arms to Hamas".

This is surely nonsense given how ineffectual the Palestinian response to the savage Israeli aggression is.

Maybe Bill gets his information direct from Israeli propaganda sources.

The female presenter in the studio repeated the "wiped off the map" mantra too.

[simplesimon]

Alexander wrote:

[TonyGosling]

Israel’s agents of influence in Britain
By Redress Information & Analysis - 9 February 2009
A guide to Israel’s stooges and agents of influence in British politics and society, from the three main political parties to the church, the media and education.
Of all the mysteries, contradictions and irrationalities in international relations, one stark fact stands out: the unconditional support given by the United States and Britain to Israel, a criminal, racist, rogue state. It is unique in that there is no other example of rational states behaving so irrationally. On the surface of it, it makes no sense whatsoever, politically, strategically, economically or morally........
http://www.redress.cc/global/redress20090209

Israel now calling the shots on UK security?
It’s time to register Friends of Israel as an agent of a foreign power
By Stuart Littlewood - 5 November 2008

Stuart Littlewood looks at how Israel lobbyists have penetrated deep into Britain’s security establishment, and argues that it’s time that Friends of Israel groups were registered as agents of a foreign power.
The corridors of power at Westminster are swarming with Israel supporters, even though the British public has little sympathy for the rogue regime.
The Israel lobby has now achieved a dangerous numerical advantage at the heart of Britain's security establishment thanks to the appointment of Kim Howells, formerly minister in charge of Middle East affairs and a one-time chairman of Labour Friends of Israel, to the chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee.
This committee has oversight of the Security Service (MI5), the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the work of the Joint Intelligence Committee and the Intelligence and Security Secretariat, which includes the Assessment Staff in the Cabinet Office. The committee also takes evidence from the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS), part of the Ministry of Defence.

The nine members of the committee are:
*Dr Kim Howells MP (Chair)
*Michael Ancram MP
*Sir Alan Beith MP
*Mr Ben Chapman MP
*Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
*George Howarth MP
*Michael Mates MP
*Richard Ottaway MP
*Ms Dari Taylor MP

These people have access to highly classified material. So who are they and why should we trust them? Sir Alan Beith, for example, presides over the Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel, whose aims and objectives are:

*To maximize support for the State of Israel not only within the Liberal Democrats but within Parliament itself.
*To influence the party’s Middle East policy.
*To liaise with Israeli politicians and government.
*To provide parliamentarians with briefing material for parliamentary debates, questions to ministers and public appearances.
*To rebut attacks on Israel in the media, Parliament and the party.
*To arrange and accompany Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel delegations to Israel.
*To keep in regular contact with the Embassy of Israel.

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http://www.redress.cc/global/slittlewood20081105

[TonyGosling]