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This link below was posted on 'thetruthseeker.co.uk' today. Although it is speculation, many of the scenarios thrown about here are frighteningly credible.
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/ww3.htm
Watching the news at the moment is a torment. Blair got a big laugh from the Labour side when, explaining his helplessness in response to a question, he said that "The honourable member might be surprised to hear it, but I don't have much influence with Hezbolla".
By God, this creature deserves to suffer.
This whole thing is about Israel. Their bombing of sunbathers on a Gaza beach and destruction of the area's infrastructure and many murders in response to the kidnapping of a soldier was designed to elicit the response that would justify their destruction of Lebanon. The terrorism and murder rate is terribly one-sided and clearly designed for purposes other than protecting the Israeli people from 'terrorist' Palestinians, north or south of the border.
The American military refused to follow Bush/Cheney's orders and nuke Iran. This is designed to achieve the same thing by another route.
Our politicians are Zionist puppets, and probably too thick to even recognise it.
Blair knows it though.
He takes his advice and orders from parties outside and above the houses of parliament. There is no doubt about this. He is guided more by his secret masonic oaths and their promised rewards than any care for common humanity. He is and they are betraying us all.
They are sleepwalking us towards Armageddon.
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/ww3.htm |
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Its interesting that you mention the US military's refusal to nuke Iran. According to Tarpley (via the Washington Post), General Haig said to Kissinger that Nixon ordered him to get the Football, in reference to the codes used to order a nuclear attack, so that he could nuke the Capitol.
Apparently, Kissinger also told the military to refuse orders by Nixon and to go through him in case Nixon wanted to try something stupid.
The Yom Kippur war, which resulted in a DEFCON 3 world wide alert, was used to attempt to distract Americans from the Watergate affair. |
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Jay Ref
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Terrifying Speculation |
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| kbo234 wrote: | This link below was posted on 'thetruthseeker.co.uk' today. Although it is speculation, many of the scenarios thrown about here are frighteningly credible.
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/ww3.htm
Watching the news at the moment is a torment. Blair got a big laugh from the Labour side when, explaining his helplessness in response to a question, he said that "The honourable member might be surprised to hear it, but I don't have much influence with Hezbolla".
By God, this creature deserves to suffer.
This whole thing is about Israel. Their bombing of sunbathers on a Gaza beach and destruction of the area's infrastructure and many murders in response to the kidnapping of a soldier was designed to elicit the response that would justify their destruction of Lebanon. The terrorism and murder rate is terribly one-sided and clearly designed for purposes other than protecting the Israeli people from 'terrorist' Palestinians, north or south of the border.
The American military refused to follow Bush/Cheney's orders and nuke Iran. This is designed to achieve the same thing by another route.
Our politicians are Zionist puppets, and probably too thick to even recognise it.
Blair knows it though.
He takes his advice and orders from parties outside and above the houses of parliament. There is no doubt about this. He is guided more by his secret masonic oaths and their promised rewards than any care for common humanity. He is and they are betraying us all.
They are sleepwalking us towards Armageddon.
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/ww3.htm |
Well I checked out your link. I'll agree that it's "speculation" but hardly terrifying.
It's not that I'm unafraid of unrestrained global nuclear warfare; it's just that the wet dreams of uninformed and deluded white seperatists are not particularly terrifying.
What expertise does Mr. Steele possess which makes you so sure that his analysis of world events is correct? Please keep in mind that irrational racism, xeonophobia, paranoia and hatreds are not credentials.
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kbo234
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Terrifying Speculation |
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| Jay Ref wrote: | Please keep in mind that irrational racism, xeonophobia, paranoia and hatreds are not credentials.
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There is nothing irrational in believing that the international banker/globalist elite is seeking a 'New World Order'. They have said as much.
There is nothing irrational in believing that this 'New World Order' will be a One-World government, nor that this same cabal will create the money for and, therefore, control this 'New World Order'. (Read the f***ing history. Start with "The Creature from Jeckyll Island".)
There is nothing irrational in believing that they are prepared to create another World War to achieve this end. This group have created many wars including the first two World Wars. The outcome from all such wars has been that the interests of the central bankers have been progressively advanced. The first World War destroyed the Ottoman and German Empires. The Russian Revolution destroyed the Czar who had been preventing the bankers from creating the money for the Russian Empire. The Second World War destroyed the British Empire. Since 9/11 we have been definitively within the period one could call 'the end-game'.
Paranoid? Irrational?
I don't think so. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Terrifying Speculation |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Jay Ref wrote: | Please keep in mind that irrational racism, xeonophobia, paranoia and hatreds are not credentials.
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There is nothing irrational in believing that the international banker/globalist elite is seeking a 'New World Order'. They have said as much. |
I must have missed their press release! How did you know it was THEM? I mean, someone could have stolen the gold-leaf letterhead with the B&GE logo on it and framed them for perpetuating a "NWO"!! Have you ever thought of that? Where is your proof that B&GE are doing more than their usual job of good old fashioned running-dog capitalism? Or is it just that you are soooo sure that B&GE is merely a front corporation for the evil Jooos?
The guy you quoted as saying the world will soon end is a white supremist nutbar. You really want to crawl in bed with that?
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There is nothing irrational in believing that this 'New World Order' will be a One-World government, nor that this same cabal will create the money for and, therefore, control this 'New World Order'. (Read the f***ing history. Start with "The Creature from Jeckyll Island".) |
From Amazon...here's a review:
"Monetary policy is quite complex, which I suppose makes it easy prey for a conspiracy theory. Our author has not worked in banking, is a John Birch Society leader, and makes a good living off his website and this book. The book is well-written, if a bit tedious, and contains enough truth to make a good story.
A good conspiracy theory usually comes from someone who is NOT an insider, who uses partial or circumstantial evidence, addresses a process that has broad emotional impact to a wide audience, reduces complex phenomenon to simple, immoral actions, argues using logical fallacies, and enjoys zero credibility in expert communities. I believe this is what we have here.
The author suggests - for those who are put off by the size of this book - to read only the preview and summary of each chapter. This would also be my recommendation - that probably takes about an hour and a half."
So if this is what you call an education in "history" I imagine you think Eleanor of Aquitane was a paratrooper in WWII.
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There is nothing irrational in believing that they are prepared to create another World War to achieve this end. This group have created many wars including the first two World Wars. |
Evidence of this?
| Quote: | | The outcome from all such wars has been that the interests of the central bankers have been progressively advanced. |
Isn't it more likely that they've prospered because they know how to invest, save, make loans, charge interest...you know all those things banks do?
| Quote: | The first World War destroyed the Ottoman and German Empires. The Russian Revolution destroyed the Czar who had been preventing the bankers from creating the money for the Russian Empire. The Second World War destroyed the British Empire. Since 9/11 we have been definitively within the period one could call 'the end-game'.
Paranoid? Irrational?
I don't think so. |
Personally I think your own words bolster my argument better even than can I. Protocols of the Elders of Zion anyone?
Is this what the troooth movement has degenerated into? A subsidiary of the Aryan Nations? How sad.
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Most of the people in the 9/11 movement know that there is a 'hidden hand', the money powers, that by using their money control governments and the entire mainstream media.
Through the higher levels of masonry and their control of government and the 'Intelligence Services' we get what they want to give us.
Actually, only a fool does not know this.
No one I know in this 9/11 movement is an Aryanist or a fascist of any kind. Quite the opposite. The majority are humanists and Christians.
However, we know a crime when we see one.
We know an evil ideology when we see it.
We know that the history of banking exposes a people and a secret culture that is rotten to the core.
....and we know a troll when we come across one. |
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Jay Ref
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Most of the people in the 9/11 movement know that there is a 'hidden hand', the money powers, that by using their money control governments and the entire mainstream media. |
Of course they "know"...just as Christians "know" that Jesus was the son of God and the Earth is only 7,000 years old. No evidence necessary...this is because the 9/11 movement has become dogmatic and religious. Skeptics are akin to heretics.
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Through the higher levels of masonry and their control of government and the 'Intelligence Services' we get what they want to give us. |
Us -vs- Them --- The egg and sperm of paranoia.
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Actually, only a fool does not know this. |
Demonization of opponents....another brick from which to build the cult.
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No one I know in this 9/11 movement is an Aryanist or a fascist of any kind. Quite the opposite. The majority are humanists and Christians. |
Well I can give you the poster "Abandoned Ego" he has started at least one thread based on the writings of a white seperatist.
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However, we know a crime when we see one. |
Apparently the crimes of slander and libel are not in view once the CT blinders are worn....?
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We know an evil ideology when we see it. |
Yep. Calling people mass murderers with not a shread of evidence is pretty evil. What happened to: "Innocent until proven guilty[/i]"??
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We know that the history of banking exposes a people and a secret culture that is rotten to the core. |
Code words for the "joos"?? Spoken like someone who knows a few Aryans.
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....and we know a troll when we come across one. |
...and I know a bigot when I come across one. "a people and a secret culture that is rotten to the core."
Your words...why don't you just come out and say it? It's all the fault of the dirty joos! 
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28 posts now in 2 days - your fingers must be getting tired. Go and have a lie down!
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Why exactly are you here Jay Ref? As in, what is your purpose or motivation to post here?
Since it appears that you don't support the need for a further inquiry and you appear to be taking delight in goading people who do.
Debate the evidence around 9/11 in respectful way, that's no problem, but don't come here to deliberately antagonise.
Personally I believe there is more than enough hard evidence to say control of the world's money system is shrouded in secrey and should be exposed to the light of transparency and accountability. You don't need to be a 'white supremacist' to belief that. Now run along |
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As a general note to all posters on this site, the principles of this site are quite clear.
As moderators we can't police and read all threads, so if posters do come across material they consider to breach the principlesas explained here, I would like to hear from you.
In particular reference to anti-semiticism. I and many others have set out clearly what will and won't be tolerated with regard to discussing Israel and zionism
Here
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What these threads show is zionsim is an intensely sensitive subject (no news there then). Please keep a clear distinction between zionism and people of jewish faith, otherwise it's like ground hog day repeating itself |
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| Quote: | | why don't you just come out and say it? It's all the fault of the dirty joos! |
So there you have it. Dare to question and you are being anti-semitic. It does not matter that you never mentioned Jews or that you distinguish between Zionists and Jews or that even you might not have even considered that Jews entered into the equation. That is how they try to shut you up. You are automatically racist! What a piece of * Jay Ref is to resort to this drivel. For *'s sake why are nonsense like him tolerated here?? |
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See Jon Ronson thread for a discussion of possible solutions to our critics
Current favourite: separate area where they can be ignored or engaged with as people see fit |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | why don't you just come out and say it? It's all the fault of the dirty joos! |
So there you have it. Dare to question and you are being anti-semitic. It does not matter that you never mentioned Jews or that you distinguish between Zionists and Jews or that even you might not have even considered that Jews entered into the equation. That is how they try to shut you up. You are automatically racist! What a piece of * Jay Ref is to resort to this drivel. For *'s sake why are nonsense like him tolerated here?? |
So then what do YOU think was meant by:
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"We know that the history of banking exposes a people and a secret culture that is rotten to the core" |
You suppose that people who hold "a zionist philosophy" was meant?
Or do you suppose a "people" and a "rotten culture" could have meant the Jews as a whole?
Ian... I'm sure you run a respectable board. Is it your intention to harbour anti-semites who use thinly veiled code words? I have been attacked for yelling "anti-semite" without evidence...and yet there is plenty of evidence of some of your posters actually being such. Am I supposed to keep my mouth shut when I see it?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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So then what do YOU think was meant by:
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If you do not understand that usurious fractional reserve banking is the biggest scam in history and in itself a great crime against humanity then you understand nothing. if you do not know that the central banking powers have been creating wars for the past 200+ years to advance their wealth, power and influence....then you understand nothing. If you do not understand the menace of the bankers desired 'New World Order' then you understand nothing.
9/11 was the opening shot in WW3 that is intended to bring us that one-world government controlled by them.
It is comical to watch an extreme supporter of Israel accuse people on this site of racism when Israel is itself the most racist state on earth. It is a state for Jews and only Jews.
It might be interesting for Jay-Ref to note that just about the only countries left that do not allow the Rothschild/Schiff/Warburg/etc banking cabal to create their money for them are IRAN and NORTH KOREA.
Funny that. |
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kbo234
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For Jay Ref, your choices now;
Admit you are misrepresenting people as anti-semites.
Produce the evidence that prove the bankers are good decent guys and claim victory.
Ignore me.
Call me a "Nazi" again or other names.
Linger wistfully on thoughts of your Nazi-killing granpappy.
There is only one option that will earn you a shred of respect, one is impossible, and the others are cowardly. Can you guess which is which? |
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For Jay Ref, your choices now;
Admit you are misrepresenting people as anti-semites.
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No. You earned your reputation by hard work and determination. I'm simply an observer who can in fact back up each of his observations with relevant reasons.
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Produce the evidence that prove the bankers are good decent guys and claim victory. |
Remember it's "Innocent until proven guilty" not vice versa. Besides would you really like to live in a world where you could be accused and jailed and told to prove your innocence or else? That would be just like the USSR was.
Can't do that...you're my favorite...
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Call me a "Nazi" again or other names. |
...yeah...that....
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Linger wistfully on thoughts of your Nazi-killing granpappy.
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He did what he had to do.
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There is only one option that will earn you a shred of respect, one is impossible, and the others are cowardly. Can you guess which is which? |
Hey...write your own material bub!
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Jay Ref said:
'Remember it's "Innocent until proven guilty" not vice versa.'
Are you familiar with Guantanamo Bay, Control Orders and ASBOs?
It seems our illustrious leaders are going off the idea!
Jay Ref said:
'That would be just like the USSR was.' |
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| Jay Ref wrote: | ....That would be just like the USSR was.....
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I'm getting bored with all this now, but just one thing that I'd like to share with you......If your friends get their way and we do end up with a one-world government a global USSR is almost exactly what we are likely to end up with. Total centralisation of power, an absolutely corrupt ruling oligarchy, a dumb empowered but highly controlled military, no middle-class, enslaved masses and a system of 'gulags' or slave-camps where dissenters can die exhausted working for the betterment of the NWO.
This is a certain outcome if they win.
Also, there is a God.
Some things are hard to prove but it is possible to know them nonetheless. |
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| Leiff wrote: | Jay Ref said:
'Remember it's "Innocent until proven guilty" not vice versa.'
Are you familiar with Guantanamo Bay, Control Orders and ASBOs?
It seems our illustrious leaders are going off the idea!
Jay Ref said:
'That would be just like the USSR was.' |
But I'm not defending Gitmo or the USSR. Besides, since when did two wrongs make a right?
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Jay Ref wrote: | ....That would be just like the USSR was.....
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I'm getting bored with all this now, but just one thing that I'd like to share with you......If your friends get their way and we do end up with a one-world government a global USSR is almost exactly what we are likely to end up with. Total centralisation of power, an absolutely corrupt ruling oligarchy, a dumb empowered but highly controlled military, no middle-class, enslaved masses and a system of 'gulags' or slave-camps where dissenters can die exhausted working for the betterment of the NWO. |
Another fallacy?
Slippery slope:
| Quote: | A slippery slope fallacy is an argument that says adopting one policy or taking one action will lead to a series of other policies or actions also being taken, without showing a causal connection between the advocated policy and the consequent policies. A popular example of the slippery slope fallacy is, "If we legalize marijuana, the next thing you know we'll legalize heroin, LSD, and crack cocaine." This slippery slope is a form of non sequitur, because no reason has been provided for why legalization of one thing leads to legalization of another. Tobacco and alcohol are currently legal, and yet other drugs have somehow remained illegal.
There are a variety of ways to turn a slippery slope fallacy into a valid (or at least plausible) argument. All you need to do is provide some reason why the adoption of one policy will lead to the adoption of another. For example, you could argue that legalizing marijuana would cause more people to consider the use of mind-altering drugs acceptable, and those people will support more permissive drug policies across the board. An alternative to the slippery slope argument is simply to point out that the principles espoused by your opposition imply the acceptability of certain other policies, so if we don't like those other policies, we should question whether we really buy those principles. For instance, if the proposing team argued for legalizing marijuana by saying, "individuals should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies," the opposition could point out that that principle would also justify legalizing a variety of other drugs -- so if we don't support legalizing other drugs, then maybe we don't really believe in that principle. |
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This is a certain outcome if they win. |
Why?
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Also, there is a God. |
Which one? Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Shiva, Zeus, Jehova, Kali, Ra, Isis, The Great Spirit? (Last one was grandaddy's fave)
Or perhaps you believe in vibrations, auras, karma, crystals, reiki, reflexology, channeling, psychic surgery, young earth creationism, etc...???
Why? Because after all...in your own words:
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Exactly the kind of thing I'd expect a CTer to say! None of that 2+2=4 stuff for you eh? (boring anyway innit?) It's much more fun to live in a world of murky conspiracies where you're special and everyone else is a bleating sheeple. Otherwise you'd be forced to look in the mirror at the boy who lives in his mum's basement even though he'd just turned 25! Why that'd be no fun atall would it sunny-jim? 
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| Jay Ref wrote: | | Exactly the kind of thing I'd expect a CTer to say! None of that 2+2=4 stuff for you eh? (boring anyway innit?) It's much more fun to live in a world of murky conspiracies where you're special and everyone else is a bleating sheeple. Otherwise you'd be forced to look in the mirror at the boy who lives in his mum's basement even though he'd just turned 25! Why that'd be no fun atall would it sunny-jim? |
God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies.
Let go of your willie you naughty boy! Do up your zip, go to your room and get on with your homework. Didn't your mother tell you IT MAKES YOU BLIND! We should have guessed it much earlier. |
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