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Hi Tony,
The problem I have with this short vid is that is shows, near the end, people who where/are anti Christianity and include such figures as Hitler and Maralyn Manson. This, imo, is to try and point out that people who do not follow Christianity are evil, bad people.
Well, that's fine but just have a look at two great Christians in modern times, George Bush and Tony Blair. |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | | jason67 wrote: | | look at two great Christians in modern times, George Bush and Tony Blair. |
Bush is Skull and Bones = satanic
and Blair is a Rosicrucian whatever that is
Don't you ever wonder if they are really following Jesus Christ by what they actually say and do?
And do you take everything war criminals say at face value?
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Hi again Tony,
I think you have missed the point of my post, I'm not attacking Christianity (or you for that matter) but rather the film.
By comparing non believers to Hitler was like me highliting that GB & TB are good Christians, its wrong, of course it is.
The film goes on to say that I had better check with my sources because if I don't then "you will be judged by Christ at his return and if you have watched this film then you are without excuse, its your choice"
What kind of c*** is that? Does that mean that I'm in the s*** when Christ returns if I'm not a Christian? I always thought tolerance and forgiveness was big with Christians, obviously not with the guys that made that film.
I have watched Zietgiest and I'm now looking to see if all that they say in the film is true or not, hence that is why I watched the film that you posted as well as reading this thread very carefully.
Cheers Jason
P.S I know that GB&TB are playing religious game, and how well they do it. It makes me sick to see them in church holding hands with a tear in there eye. I just wish that other members of the church, as well as the general population of this world, would see them as we do, war criminals of the highest order. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: In defence of Zeitgeist |
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I don't think that Zeitgeist was intended misinformation. The first part of Zeitgeist does not deny the existence of God but rather, is an attempt to expose religion. Some of what it says might be incorrect but if people look at those things through the tunnel vision of religion and filter out what it says on the whole, they are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Through religion the man who many call Jesus Christ has been represented as a Sun god and whether he actually existed (or not) is not the important point being made by the movie. There are many sources that say very similar things about the origins of religions and much of is undeniable to any rational mind.
http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/horus_vs_jesus_similaritie s.htm
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It's not misinformation Tony; it's just a difference of opinion.
The obvious offence it is going to cause many people is one of several reasons I think the first section of Zeitgesit is unnecesary and eliminates it as a campaign film for me. Which is a shame as the rest of the film is an absolute treat.
Imagine this as a sales pitch:
"Hi, first of all let me tell you that the very foundation of your spiritual and philosophical beleifs is a load of nonsense, and you're an idiot for believing what you believe.
Now that's out of the way, hi - I'm Stefan, can I interest you to a leaflet about 9/11 and the money system?"
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| TonyGosling wrote: | I'm not a postmodernist and tend to go along with traditional thinking in University History and Theology Departments.
Like 9/11 it's not just about opinion but historical fact. |
Just because something is taught in theology school it doesn't make it historic fact.
http://scripturetext.com/psalms/146-3.htm
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| Stefan wrote: | | The obvious offence it is going to cause many people is one of several reasons I think the first section of Zeitgesit is unnecesary and eliminates it as a campaign film for me. Which is a shame as the rest of the film is an absolute treat. |
Spot on, I can't comprehend the harshness of the attack on Christian dogma either.
It's one thing to be frustrated about the way religion, in the form of a political establishment, has become just another establishment tool for control.
But it is quite another thing to not cherish some of the ground-breaking ideas of Christian philosophy, and to not celebrate their positive influence on human consciousness.
And not only that, the documentary also fails to draw the parallels between, for example, Ghandi's revolutionary perspective and Christian philosophy.
Interesting to note here that another great spirit, Leo Tolstoy, with whom Ghandi corresponded, was excommunicated by the Russian Church for his beliefs.
Quite a shame for the film, because for the most part the rest of it is exceptional indeed (with some exceptions, e.g. the misleading context of the JFK speech).
Makes one wonder.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:39 am Post subject: Zeitgeist movie on UK satellite TV tonight |
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From today's News of the World:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/215866/Controversial-documentary- Zeitgeist-the-Movie-which-says-911-was-allowed-to-happen-is-to-be-scre ened-on-British-TV.html
Documentary claims 9/11 was allowed to happen
By Katy Walford, 13/03/2009
THE world’s most watched internet documentary is to be screened on TV in the UK for the first time.
Zeitgeist the Movie makes a series of outrageous claims - and even says 9/11 was allowed to happen by the US Government to generate mass fear.
Since going online in 2007 the documentary has proved massively popular with conspiracy theorists - and has been viewed more than 150 million times.
It alleges that the US Government had advance knowledge about the 9/11 attacks, the military deliberately let the planes reach their targets, and the World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 7 underwent a controlled demolition.
And it claims that six of the named hijackers are still alive.
It will be shown on EMTV, Channel 200 on the BSkyB platform at 8pm, this Sunday.
EMTV executive producer Keith Goodyer said: “We have considered the situation very carefully and our view is that it is in the public’s interest, particularly in our free and open society, to show the film and allow people to make their own judgement on the issues it raises.”
But at its release critic Shane Hegarty panned the documentary as “deluded, disingenuous and manipulative nonsense.”
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| acrobat74 wrote: | | QuitTheirClogs wrote: | | Yup; that settles it. Zeitgeist is New World Order disinfo. |
Following your reasoning, then so is 'Zero'? |
Has Sky shown Zero? That’s a genuine question as it’s quite possible they did and I missed it.
If yes; was it also simultaneously promoted in thw News of the World or similar?
Have Sky shown Loose Change (the most famous 9/11 truth film by far) or the award winning Elephant in the Room?
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