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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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kbo234 wrote: | I shed a tear watching this......to realise how abused ordinary decent people have been and will continue to be at the hands of these criminals and their political stooges (our representatives). |
Yet after this last week's futile nonsense on both sides of the G20 fence I cannot help but wonder whether your 'ordinary decent people' are not in reality 'ignorant apathetic sheep' and are merely getting the treatment they deserve from those who would enslave them?
Just think, if there had been say 5 million on the streets instead of a measly 30,000, a storming of the Excel centre (like there was at the Prague IMF protest in 2000) would have awoken the world to our disgust. Instead, the only voice worth listening to went largely unheard:-
Mark Thomas in rant mode:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjKNja3m0zc
And as for the police (you reading here?) I don't think I have ever seen such a concentration of uninformed, uniformed, legalised hooligans in all my years - not even the Prague police were that bad on the streets! _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thermate911 wrote: |
Yet after this last week's futile nonsense on both sides of the G20 fence I cannot help but wonder whether your 'ordinary decent people' are not in reality 'ignorant apathetic sheep' and are merely getting the treatment they deserve from those who would enslave them?
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Maybe so.
It's a tricky one Thermate.
I decided not to go because I thought that engaging in a protest that would probably get violent would, at this stage, have me supporting a bit of theatre that could only play to the advantage of the government machine.
The anger out there in society is, as you know, enormous. I hope and pray the time will come when the protest that overthrows our current system, never mind the government, will come. When that time arrives we will surely know it is here.
Said he hopefully. |
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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/senior-s-regulator-says-governm ent.html
Quote: | Saturday, April 4, 2009
Senior S&L Regulator Says Government Engaging in Massive Cover-Up of Economic Crisis: “The Entire Strategy Is to Keep People from Getting the Facts”
William K. Black was the senior regulator during the S&L crisis, and an Associate Professor of Economics and Law at the University of Missouri (bio).
Black says that massive fraud is what caused the economic crisis. As one example, he explains that everyone involved knew that the CDOs which packaged subprime loans were not AAA credit-worthy (which means that they are completely risk-free). He also said that the exotic instruments (CDOs, CDS, etc.) which spun the mortgages into more and more abstract investments were intentionally created to defraud investors.
Moreover, Black says that the government's entire strategy in dealing with the economic crisis is a massive cover-up:
[They] don't want to change the bankers, because if we do, if we put honest people in, who didn't cause the problem, their first job would be to find the scope of the problem. And that would destroy the cover up....
Geithner is ... covering up. Just like Paulson did before him....
These are all people who have failed. Paulson failed, Geithner failed. They were all promoted because they failed....
Until you get the facts, it's harder to blow all this up. And, of course, the entire strategy is to keep people from getting the facts....
[Question] Are you saying that Timothy Geithner, the Secretary of the Treasury, and others in the administration, with the banks, are engaged in a cover up to keep us from knowing what went wrong?
[Black] Absolutely....
They're deliberately leaving in place the people that caused the problem, because they don't want the facts. And this is not new. The Reagan Administration's central priority, at all times, during the Savings and Loan crisis, was covering up the losses.
[Question] So, you're saying that people in power, political power, and financial power, act in concert when their own behinds are in the ringer, right?
That's right. And it's particularly a crisis that brings this out, because then the class of the banker says, "You've got to keep the information away from the public or everything will collapse."
Watch the interview here. |
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: |
The people have been the victim of a colossal confidence trick.
Not exactly sheep, more like victims of crime. |
Perhaps I was a little harsh; perhaps not. At least victims normally react! It seems probable that 'cosiness' still reigns...
It can't all be ignorance of why they're victims - can it? :(
Yet from item7's offering above:-
Quote: | “The Entire Strategy Is to Keep People from Getting the Facts” |
and our entire strategy is getting the facts out to people...but they're still drugged, groggy and 'distinctly dis-chuffed' to quote a passing Geordie who didn't want any more information, just another 'jar of broon'...
Hey ho. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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Thermate911 wrote: | kbo234 wrote: | I shed a tear watching this......to realise how abused ordinary decent people have been and will continue to be at the hands of these criminals and their political stooges (our representatives). |
Yet after this last week's futile nonsense on both sides of the G20 fence I cannot help but wonder whether your 'ordinary decent people' are not in reality 'ignorant apathetic sheep' and are merely getting the treatment they deserve from those who would enslave them?
Just think, if there had been say 5 million on the streets instead of a measly 30,000, a storming of the Excel centre (like there was at the Prague IMF protest in 2000) would have awoken the world to our disgust. Instead, the only voice worth listening to went largely unheard:-
Mark Thomas in rant mode:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjKNja3m0zc
And as for the police (you reading here?) I don't think I have ever seen such a concentration of uninformed, uniformed, legalised hooligans in all my years - not even the Prague police were that bad on the streets! |
Understanding your frustration, could it be that stepping into the "protest arena" "they" have prepared for us is not the best way to go?
It's only by grouping protesters together into large masses that protest can be controlled... everyone protesting already knows what's what to a fair degree, yet the protest is hardly going to get fair coverage on the MSM
Activists informing their local communities across the nation is a far bigger nightmare for the agenda IMHO, particularly because local politicians cannot hide from the people like those in Westminster can, and have a far harder time explaining where the money has gone.... _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Gandalf; good to see you are still around. :)
John White wrote: | Understanding your frustration, could it be that stepping into the "protest arena" "they" have prepared for us is not the best way to go? |
It's the only way to go whilst NWO expedience rules, IMO. Sure, 'protest arenas' are not what they used to be. In their sadly,scared-off, diminished numbers they are still a useful indicator of the zeitgeist despite becoming something of a 'ritual dance' - largely thanks to a police force that 'is just following orders' 'from the top' rather than upholding Justice. (Himmler would have loved this situation!)
Yet no amount of enlightening local communities is going to result in an international inquiry in the foreseeable future - only demonstrable public pressure that the media cannot ignore will do it now. That means millions on the streets. Pardon the cliche, but time is truly running out even whilst, paradoxically, we are 'winning'.
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One thing bothers me about this Mr Black - how can he laugh at so many peoples dire misfortune? Does he admire the 'cleverness' of the fraudsters whilst condemning their lack of intelligence?
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and from the thermite thread, this struck me as profound and uplifting:
Niels Harrit wrote: | Harrit says that he is frequently asked why he researches the September 11th attack. and says has two answers.
“First, I am opposed to crime, and second, when my 6 grandchildren ask me, ‘Grandfather, which side were you on?’ I will be able to answer them, ‘I was on your side’.” |
and the downside if we don't do something within international law very soon:
"Trying to float over $200 trillion of financial paper on the basis of a mere $10 trillion or less of commodity production is the most insane exercise in usury that humankind has ever attempted." W.Tarpley -'Surviving The Cataclysm' _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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£200 trillion. How much of that will fall into the wrong hands? All! A novel way to refinance terrorists. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12 |
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TonyGosling Editor
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: | The only question left to answer seems to be which will come first, the wider war or the total financial collapse and cashpoint sieze-up. |
Outside Europe, war looks fairly wide already.
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So if John is Gandalf what does that make us Rob? |
'The Reader in Unwritten Runes' and 'The Last Dolphin to leave Earth', respectively and respectfully ;-) _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Ignorance Is Futile!
*The “Great Aggression”: Worse than a ‘Zombie Apocalypse’.
Posted: 07 Apr 2009 09:49 PM PDT
http://ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com/
Back in December, I was trying to add a humor slant to the prospects of the “Great Aggression” scenario in different ways. The 2 biggest phrases I’d been saying to people during my banter was “Get your black football shoulder pads ready, we’re going Mad Max bitches”, and the other is “Buy food & ammunition, get ready for the zombie apocalypse”.
In the use of such there had remained a degree of seriousness in the Mad Max saying, whereas the zombie apocalypse (ZA) bit was deliberately meant to absurd. Later, in January, it finally occurred to me that the zombie bit wasn’t necessarily absurd, and that perhaps what appears to be coming is far scarier than the darkest fictional horror film rendition typical of the zombie genre.
In the horror films we typically find half-rotten and mostly brain-dead zombie creatures. They are uniformly monsters by definition according to fictional story standards. A typical trait of a zombie is that they’re “undead”, or at least neurologically ‘rotten’ from a vicious brain attacking virus, which pushes the monster status.
Like others horrors, such as Friday the 13th, the obvious fiction shock and drop value is in effect what makes it work while allowing us to sleep ok at night. Knowing these are fictional monsters seems to even justify we paying to watch the senseless killings. I argue that real life serial killers provide a much greater sense of ongoing fear in the masses at large.
In pondering my own “joke”, the reality of the situation that we seem to be facing inevitably is ushering a far grimmer notion of epidemic scale cannibalism than any zombie tale or Jeffry Dahmer biography. I beg the question, for how long can the ‘Great Agrression” go on for before gangs of desperate ruthless killers begin hunting and cannibalizing people?
I ask you to ask yourself that question. The problem isn’t merely just spoiled and selfish people, it’s that none will be prepared. Only the 10% of survivalist society will be prepared. That leaves the 10-20% of the wealthy and elitist sectors of society who can pull off preparedness at the last minute (and who are meant to survive anyways). That leaves quite a few zombies…
The Great Aggression:
Few will be prepared, and this perpetual state of unpreparedness coupled with the Neocommunist economic meltdown will spell the true disaster. If all people were prepared then the masses would hardly collapse regardless of the Establishments plans. The problem with today’s society vs. that of the Mad Max films is that there will be several far more people. An unprepared selfish society is its own nemesis.
Top economic forecasters predict something worse than the original ‘Great Depression’, and they predict social turmoil, but the situation eventually shocks and scares the best of us beyond our ability to focus. Top economic forecasters like Gerald Celente will project further into the darkest depths of future civilization than most. Celente even harshly uses the phrase “America will become the first undeveloped nation”.
After 4 years of rigorous study into the psyche of selfish American sheeple society, and the Media machine that programs it, in conjunction with Celente’s forecasts, I see a darker vision. It comes down to how much faith you have in society. I have about the same faith in society as I do it’s ‘chosen’ government. Ask yourself how much time of food shortages would pass before the masses begin feeding on the masses.
To me this reality is far more chilling than anything Hollywood could conjure. These aren’t ‘undead’ brainless monsters. These are humans with ‘fully functional’ brains. They know how to the weapons they have. They know to find your outside electircal shutoff box to cut the power. They are able to dive thru your windows and kick down your doors at roughly the same time. And the can distingiush your ideology and ethnicity to select you as prey. A well armed family is doomed at the arrival of dozens of these types of ‘zombies’.
And to think I used to refer to the masses as “zombies” from time to time in the past. Today the film “Dawn of the Dead” (the original) is more like educational than entertainment, as is the Road Warrior. I don’t count out the reality that society becomes like that of the Road Warrior, where men do feed upon men, so throw a ‘bird flu’ in the mix and you’re not too far off.
So even if it doesnt get that bad, or at least for awhile, I still argue that right now today is the “New Great Depression”. What tomorrow brings is what I call “The Great Aggression”. And click on the news from the past few weeks of shootings and so on and it sounds to me like we’re already getting there. Better hope there aren’t mass food shortages anytime soon…
Tagged: Economic Meltdown, Great Aggression, Neocommunism, NWO Hacking & Survival _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: |
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igorance is futile wrote: | Better hope there aren’t mass food shortages anytime soon… |
So, another false optimist.
OF COURSE there will be food shortages
OF COURSE there will be mass aggression
OF COURSE there will be societal breakdown
But only if those of us who can look reality hard in the eye allow it to happen...
It is up to each one of us, if only as a personal survival mechanism, to prevent such happening. Those with full knowledge of what is going on have a responsibility, if only to themselves and their loved ones, to STOP the people driving the 'creative destructionism' forwards. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm stand in the middle of the road waving flags 'Wake Up you SOBs'? _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Quite.
I live a quiet life in the south east, yet encounter on brief forays into the world beyond my door a devotion to ignorance that contracts the heart.
Most of those I encounter don't want to know. Even relatives here and there who I'd thought were beginning to realise that things aren't getting better (they can see that Tony Bliar is still a free man for example, and may be heading for leadership of the EU, Emperor of Europe, covered with scabs, holding his prize and smiling that revolting smile.) It's no good beating your head against the wall in horror, communicating with others is a thornfield, a nettlefield, a bed of roses, deliphiniums blue and chrysathemums red.
Studiously they look the other way for as long as possible. If it is not witnessed it cannot be real, surely? The smashed bodies of the children with their parents in the mountains of Pakistan, under the drone of the drones seeking and destroying dreams of ordinary life, they cannot be seen, they are like that cat. Philosophical, in a box, surely.
And here you are so kind, doing all that reading and research, hours into the night and the day dear creatures. Thank you.
Meanwhile, in my town...
I don't dare yet just to say a simple thing I heard because despite all this free speech lying around and my forefathers' traditions of courage I am afraid just to say ordinary things. Really letting the side down. Sorry chaps. I'll keep trying. You do your thing. I'll have another cup of coffee and just wish that policemen weren't so scary as to be trauma inducing, and Britain turning really weird, entirely trussed up in a dark web of bureaucratic bindweed.
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Moon you do have a wonderful way with words
I expect you are spot on though, horror for most is in cinema and books its not real.
Even the film that is used of WW2 doesn't depict Horror, its more fast paced, dramatic, heroes and pyrotechnics. Not the slow degeneration of society and the sorrow of piles of bodies. _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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On the Upside I have had considerable success via persistance on a Gaming Forum in America.
I now have open discussions with no shouting
Including with an ex Navy Bod who used to like shouting
Even 9/11 is acknowledged dodgy by many if not all now.
I think the Trouble in the UK is that the masses are already pre-primed with the ole its Americas fault tag and that it is upto Americans to correct everything. Thereby tapping into the sence that 'I did no wrong, I don't need to do anything' routine!
Even members of this board are guilty of this, its USA and lets look to USA for change. _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Normal decent people have become sheep-like by years of brainwashing. I've been following this on a micro-scale for years in a membership association. Then suddenly I found that what I was seeing was in fact part of something much bigger.
I think we don't pay enough attention to what is happening in such associations. When an association is taken over, members who latch on can witness the process at close quarters. It's possible to see exactly how it works.
You can show people facts and figures, and present charts etc etc, but 90% of them will still go along with the president, whatever he says. They've switched their left brains off, and it's very difficult to get a few of them to switch them back on again. You just need a few highly intelligent and very persuasive people, and most members will feel reassured, however ridiculous the proposition.
I think it's important even in the local whatever-it-is club to ask obvious questions and hold officers to account, and be alert when anyone says "I didn't understand a word the treasurer said, but I have every confidence in her".
Then you start to be able to see the same things going on at a distance on the telly.
Thermate911 wrote: | kbo234 wrote: | I shed a tear watching this......to realise how abused ordinary decent people have been and will continue to be at the hands of these criminals and their political stooges (our representatives). |
Yet after this last week's futile nonsense on both sides of the G20 fence I cannot help but wonder whether your 'ordinary decent people' are not in reality 'ignorant apathetic sheep' and are merely getting the treatment they deserve from those who would enslave them?
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I wrote that in the aftermath of a G20 'experience' due to finding so very few people in evidence, in contrast to the potential millions who surely by now understand they are being robbed blind twice over, even if they don't yet realise by whom.
I still find it very hard to believe that Britons have become so acquiescent, so heedless of their past; so morally supine.
Ian Fantom wrote: | They've switched their left brains off, and it's very difficult to get a few of them to switch them back on again. |
Or had them switched off by 'the drug of the nation - breeding ignorance and feeding radiation'?
I never did get to buy a TV - lucky me ;-) _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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