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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject:
Frank Freedom wrote:
President Barack Obama is considering a radical plan to tackle global warming by firing pollution particles into the stratosphere to deflect some of the sun’s heat.
The controversial experiment was touted yesterday as a possible last resort to help cool the Earth’s air by the president’s new science advisor John Holdren.
‘It’s got to be looked at. We don’t have the luxury of taking any approach off the table,’ said Mr Holdren, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology.
Some of us recognise this "experiment" has been implemented already!
(I can't find a direct link to the source,anyone?)
I do wonder if this is a move to "normalise" Chem trials when they have been occurring for some time (just as not every streak in the sky is a Chem!): I'm also mindful of Lovelock from the IPCC letting slip his notion of airliners "easily" putting sulpher into the atmosphere to tackle warming.... _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject:
John White wrote:
Frank Freedom wrote:
President Barack Obama is considering a radical plan to tackle global warming by firing pollution particles into the stratosphere to deflect some of the sun’s heat.
The controversial experiment was touted yesterday as a possible last resort to help cool the Earth’s air by the president’s new science advisor John Holdren.
‘It’s got to be looked at. We don’t have the luxury of taking any approach off the table,’ said Mr Holdren, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology.
Some of us recognise this "experiment" has been implemented already!
(I can't find a direct link to the source,anyone?)
I do wonder if this is a move to "normalise" Chem trials when they have been occurring for some time (just as not every streak in the sky is a Chem!): I'm also mindful of Lovelock from the IPCC letting slip his notion of airliners "easily" putting sulpher into the atmosphere to tackle warming....
Strewth,John that's quite a comment.Green activists don't want to
know though,regardless of the trails evident every day over their heads!
Some might pretend this is an effort to combat global warming,though the real problem with putting various chemicals into the atmosphere affects the heath of the population at large,don't you think? _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Ahem,excuse me my lunatic interlude.
You need to know that chemtrails are producing plasma fields in the earth's atmosphere
That they respond to and interact with the global mobile phone mast/cell tower/HAARP tower network worldwide
There may be many other usages, but the central one, imo, is damping down the upcoming solar frequencies as they affect our planet
The parasitic elements in control know they are being exposed to the awakening consciousness and are throwing everything they have to avert their own personal catastrophic downfall from their evilly created grace _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject:
paul wright wrote:
Ahem,excuse me my lunatic interlude.
You need to know that chemtrails are producing plasma fields in the earth's atmosphere
That they respond to and interact with the global mobile phone mast/cell tower/HAARP tower network worldwide
There may be many other usages, but the central one, imo, is damping down the upcoming solar frequencies as they affect our planet
The parasitic elements in control know they are being exposed to the awakening consciousness and are throwing everything they have to avert their own personal catastrophic downfall from their evilly created grace
To translate: The chemtrails we see are affecting our health directly.
Indirectly they are contributing to the plasma effect that affects human brain function,especially when using wireless services including the mobile phone network,and the phone mast sytem.The overall effect of these sexy services is to denigrate the thinking human to a braindead individual complying to the frequencies contained within this system.
Is it any wonder why wireless and mobile phones are heavily promoted
as the popular system of communication nowdays?
Hardwire your computer with a patch cable,and use a land line where possible, so not to add to the global frequency smog is the message. _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Oh yeah. That's a simpler way of putting it Frank, though it misses out a point or two
Not least the feed through from our sun, which has been down the last many months, awaiting us to garner up our energies as it takes the upturn in activity soon.
Still, I don't expect many to understand that until it happens, either _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject:
Back to visable heavy spraying here again today,not that I expect many to notice.
Quote:
Oh yeah. That's a simpler way of putting it Frank, though it misses out a point or two
Not least the feed through from our sun, which has been down the last many months, awaiting us to garner up our energies as it takes the upturn in activity soon.
Still, I don't expect many to understand that until it happens, either
Paul,are you saying the Sun's output has been deliberately surpressed with this "Sunscreen",to make the coming Sunspot-cycle (maximum!)even more impactive?
(Among other things) _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Back to visable heavy spraying here again today,not that I expect many to notice.
Paul,are you saying the Sun's output has been deliberately surpressed with this "Sunscreen",to make the coming Sunspot-cycle (maximum!)even more impactive?
(Among other things)
Hmm - what I thought was going to be a mammoth daylong effort occurred during the early part of the morning around here, but by ten o'clock the sky had returned to blue with some fluffy white clouds, and just a light grey electro-smog visible at the horizons as a result. Possibly due to the inordinately large amount of tactical orgonite planted around all the mobile masts over the area a couple or so years ago
My personal inclination is that the sun's output somehow kind of pushes human evolution and consciousness forward, as is manifested in the serpent/elite cult's historic and current sun worship, and the particular vibrancy starting to emerge through the uprating of the Schumann resonances, threatens to reveal and dislodge all parasitic entities, whether on the microscopic, human, ET or hybrid levels, whether 5 sense or etheric.
This I reckon is a part of what the chemtrails/HAARP/cell tower network interplay is about
Attempting to dampen down the frequencies and thus stultifying the human consciousness uplift due to occur in line with the next 15 Hz solar maximus three years hence according to some analysts
The result I fear may be a large transfer of energy to physical core destruction and death, which suits the elite agenda fine
Anyway, that's only a bit of my inclination.
You can retune to normal now _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject:
It was an all day effort first seen when I drew the blinds back at 06.15 and continuing all day with the usual total grey-out later.Maybe you are being spared the worst Paul as I'm very close to London's huge population centre.
May I suggest the rest of your post intimates you are a disciple of Tsarion or a similar Guru?
They're an interesting well funded bunch,but not grounded in reality as far as I can see.
But then again neither are the founders of the UN's Club of Rome and their offshoots the Club of Budapest/Madrid/Green Agenda et al!
Global Consciousness indeed!
Quite insane eh Paul? _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Hello, Frank. I'm certainly not a disciple of Tsarion, though I quite like Icke's popularist gestures
I hope I'm not too much of a disciple of anyone
Don't accuse me of being a disciple - that's the worst attack on your independence
I draw little threads from all these investigators and my own experiences and hopefully come to my own conclusions
As anyone should
No I remember the torn daylong skies from 2002 and 2003, the white outs, the induced overcast skies, until people started to do something about it
London is the most heavily infested place in the UK without a doubt
With all sorts of frequency device on every street and street corner _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: up north too
Wednesday 22nd April a.m - manic criss-crossing of trails over Edinburgh too, I can confirm. I felt hazy myself, really zonked actually by midday. Anyone else the same? My theory: budget unveiled the same day..... .... we could be onto something here.
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: up north too
seancharron wrote:
Wednesday 22nd April a.m - manic criss-crossing of trails over Edinburgh too, I can confirm. I felt hazy myself, really zonked actually by midday. Anyone else the same? My theory: budget unveiled the same day..... .... we could be onto something here.
Yes zonked out is a good expression sean ,the same here yesterday too and today the chems were even worse.
You can imagine what it'll be like with much more heat with the Solar
maximum,the old will drop like flies.
Paul, Icke is a great showman, very entertaining indeed! _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Yes there appears to have been one of these nationwide attacks that periodically occur. There was quite a lot of cloud from early morning today here, but in the breaks in the clouds were always plenty of bits of trails obviously a massive op.
By the afternoon that kind of stultified grey overcast sky from which all energy seems to have been sucked
It'd be interesting to view the satellite meteorolgical pics of the last couple of days _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Beautiful clear sky! _________________ In the end, it's not the words of your enemies you will remember, but the silence of your friends. Martin Luther King
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject:
Anyone see BBC News weather just now?
The usual map had a feature I hadn't seen before,the image of a horizontal stream that dispursed into clouds _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Anyone else see the difference between what is claimed,and what is observed in this video? _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 6060 Location: East London
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:12 am Post subject:
Related video, re HAARP: 'Angels still don't play this HAARP':
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8066925138937638623# _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Nice one, Cyril!!!!
But it looks like one has to join to get any info; all I could get from sites was, sorry, webpage may have moved, or some such.
Any one interested in 'infiltrating' this outfit? _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Seems the info about 'Chemtrails' is getting better known, so the MSM decides to rubbish it, rather than just ignoring it. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
I have seen with my own eyes how trails from aircraft can create dense cloud cover and haze in a matter of hours.
I have considered the chem-trail theory.
There are definitely many countries and corporations who are actively involved with weather modification experiments and there are multiple documents to back this up.
There is also documented evidence of military experiments perpetrated on populations without their knowledge or consent, utilising aerial spraying.
I think that the phenomenon that most people attribute to chem-trails is more likely to be persistent contrails. These occur most acutely when the air is both warm and moist.
Persistent contrails are vandalism of our sky's, but they have been accepted as a consequence to our freedom to use airplanes. Each day there are an average of 7500 flights over the U.K. It is not considered as a problem for climate change, they say, because the cloud cover blocks heat during the day and traps heat at night. So it is balanced out overall.
I remember when all planes were grounded because of the Iceland volcano's. The sky was beautifully clear and you could see much further into the distance.
Obviously there is a risk that covert programs could be, or could become, active in light of the history, proposals to combat theoretical global warming and technological developments, and it is a good thing that people are vigilant about such things.
I think there is enough information in the public domain about the daily effects of persistent contrails for people, who care about such things, to take this issue up without moving into theoretical or difficult to prove areas.
There are still lots of people who still doubt even this now obvious phenomena. _________________ The following sentence is true. The previous sentence was false.
Like the sustained attacks on 'Loose Change 2', attacks on 'What in the world are they spraying' suggest the 'authorities' are funding these attacks because the videos are so damaging to their lies and nefarious operations. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
I have watched What in the world are they spraying before, and I find it an emotionally charged film with very little in the way of any actual evidence.
There are so many emotional conspiracy type films out there that ignore, or fail to comment on any evidence that could create doubt, or fail to look at alternative explanations to explain the phenomenon that initiate the espoused concern.
I do believe that there are some chemtrails, and that experiments are done in the atmosphere, and I can speculate that they are not necessarily in our best interests. As said in my previous post.
The only compelling facts in the film are the increasing levels of metals in soil and air samples. Which are addressed in this video below. I do not share his view on global warming or conspiracy theorists, but find the explanation a very rational one. Please watch it through.
My point is that Persistent contrails are altering the weather and the sky and these are what I believe lots of people have confused with chemtrails.
I repeat, Persistent contrails are altering our weather and our sky. This is not a conspiracy but an accepted fact that is not broadcast, but admitted to when the question arises.
Here is an explanation as to why there is such a huge increase in number and persistence of contrails.
I don't say this to try and change your mind, just to share info with another point of view. I try to maintain an open mind on all subjects and am willing to change it if I am shown compelling evidence.
Is anybody challenging the vandalism of our sky from persistent contrails, the information to support this is not questioned by TPTB?
I wonder if someone could invent an adaption to counteract the contrails from jet engines, or is the persistent contrail being utilised to act as a weather shield deliberately?
Perhaps the jet engine has been tweaked to produce maximum contrails and any invention that would reduce them has been sidelined for the weather modification effects of contrails? _________________ The following sentence is true. The previous sentence was false.
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 6060 Location: East London
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject:
Potter Stewart wrote:
Hi Outsider
I have watched What in the world are they spraying before, and I find it an emotionally charged film with very little in the way of any actual evidence.
There are so many emotional conspiracy type films out there that ignore, or fail to comment on any evidence that could create doubt, or fail to look at alternative explanations to explain the phenomenon that initiate the espoused concern.
I do believe that there are some chemtrails, and that experiments are done in the atmosphere, and I can speculate that they are not necessarily in our best interests. As said in my previous post.
The only compelling facts in the film are the increasing levels of metals in soil and air samples. Which are addressed in this video below. I do not share his view on global warming or conspiracy theorists, but find the explanation a very rational one. Please watch it through.
My point is that Persistent contrails are altering the weather and the sky and these are what I believe lots of people have confused with chemtrails.
I repeat, Persistent contrails are altering our weather and our sky. This is not a conspiracy but an accepted fact that is not broadcast, but admitted to when the question arises.
Here is an explanation as to why there is such a huge increase in number and persistence of contrails.
I don't say this to try and change your mind, just to share info with another point of view. I try to maintain an open mind on all subjects and am willing to change it if I am shown compelling evidence.
Is anybody challenging the vandalism of our sky from persistent contrails, the information to support this is not questioned by TPTB?
I wonder if someone could invent an adaption to counteract the contrails from jet engines, or is the persistent contrail being utilised to act as a weather shield deliberately?
Perhaps the jet engine has been tweaked to produce maximum contrails and any invention that would reduce them has been sidelined for the weather modification effects of contrails?
I have watched the two short clips you provided on your post; I hope everybody else on this thread, and indeed on our Forum does as well.
You see, most of us don't feel too happy about showing Alex Jones as a raving loon, or cats and people wearing 'tin-foil hats'.
Do you also believe the same about 9/11 Truth Campaigners?
(I assume you are not one of the commentators on the clips, but as you provide them as 'evidence' against the 'Chemtrail Truthers', I assume you accept their portrayal of Truth Campaigners as 'tin-foil hat' nutters.
So, 'Potter Stewart' (would you be willing to reveal your true identity and location to our Forum owner, and be willing to have someone of his choosing interview you and attempt to assess your bonafides? - (not, of course, that I would have any suspicion at all, poisonally!!)
And of course, perhaps Will Thomas is lying, in following article, when he says:
AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS CONCERNED OVER CHEMTRAILS
by William Thomas
Vancouver, Canada Mar. 5, 2002…As continuing chemtrail activity culminated in massive aerial spraying over Vancouver Island and Washington state yesterday- and broadening plumes once again fanned out to haze clear blue skies - Air Traffic Controllers at major airports across the United States expressed concern over the emissions constantly showing up on their radar screens.
"Chemtrails” is the term widely used to describe the brilliant white ‘trails laid down by U.S. Air Force tanker planes photo-identified over North America and a dozen other allied nations in a process the U.S. Air Force calls “aerial obscuration”.
First confirmed by Airport Authority Terry Stewart at the Victoria International Airport on Dec. 8, 2000 as a “joint Canada-U.S. military operation” – and stridently denied by senior officers at Canadian Forces Base (where Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier he had received his information) – these multi-plane missions were verified in March, 2001 by the Air Traffic Control (ATC) manager for the northeastern seaboard of the United States.
In three taped interviews with this reporter and veteran radio journalist S.T. Brendt, our “Deep Sky” source said that he had been ordered to divert incoming commercial flights away from USAF tankers spraying s substance that showed up on ATC radars as a “haze”.
These radar returns are the signature of the fine aluminum particles found in laboratory tests of chemtrail-contaminated rain taken in Espanola, Ontario in the summer of 1999. The lab analysis found reflective quartz particles in the chemtrail fallout – and levels of aluminum five-times higher than Ontario’s maximum permissible health safety standards.
After Canadian government Defense Critic Gordon Earle presented a petition signed by 550 Espanola residents to Parliament in November, 1999 demanding an end to aerial spraying by “commercial or military aircraft, foreign or domestic” which appeared to be making many people sick, DND eventually replied, “It’s not us.”
The aluminum found in chemtrails over Ontario matches the 10 micron aluminum oxide called for in a 1994 patent issued to Hughes Aircraft Company. “Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming” refers to spreading highly reflective materials in the atmosphere to reflect enough incoming sunlight (1 to 2%) to slow rapidly-accelerating global warming.
Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb, called for this billion dollar a year “sky shield” program after computer simulations at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory showed it would prevent warming over 85% of the planet’s surface despite a predicted doubling of heat-trapping C02 in the atmosphere over the next 40 years.
But Ken Caldeira – the climate expert who ran the computer model – has warned that the stratospheric spraying of sunlight-reflecting chemicals could “destroy the ozone layer” – and pose human health risks.
CONTROLLERS ACROSS U.S. EXPRESS CONCERN
Starting last December, on heavy “spray days” Deep Sky began calling companion controllers across the country. Were they seeing the same thing on their ‘scopes? What were they being told?
In a fourth interview with reporter S.T. Brendt last week, Deep Sky stated that Air Traffic Controllers at Chicago’s O’Hare airport, all three major airports in New York, Los Angeles LAX, San Francisco, Atlanta, Cleveland, San Diego, Washington DC’s Dulles and Jacksonville, Florida were being ordered to route airliners beneath formations of Air Force tanker planes spraying something that regularly clouds their screens.
Several smaller but busy airports at Westchester County in New York state and Manchester in New Hampshire were also contacted by this an increasingly concerned Deep Sky - and confirmed similar experiences.
Every controller, without exception, is being told to divert traffic due to “military exercises”, and to bring in traffic lower because of experiments that may degrade their radars. The controllers at Cleveland’s airport were surprised by the extent of obscuration on their radars.
CHEMTRAILS SCIENTIST TALKS TO PRESS
Ohio is the home of Wright-Patterson – the air force base working with electromagnetic and weather modification technology. A scientist working at Wright-Pat recently told reporter Bob Fitrakis that two different projects are being conducted. One involves cloud creation experiments to lessen the effect of global warming. Other chemtrails are connected with the military’s extremely high-power Radio Frequency beam weapon in Alaska called HAARP.
“The scientist claims that the two most common substances being sprayed into chemtrails are aluminum oxide and barium stearate. When you see planes flying back and forth marking parallel lines, X-patterns and grids in a clear sky, that’s aluminum oxide, according to the scientist. The goal is to create an artificial sunscreen to reflect solar radiation back into space to alleviate global warming. In some cases, barium may be sprayed in a similar manner for the purpose of “high-tech 3-D radar imaging.” (Columbus Alive Dec. 6, 2001)
HR2977
HR2977 is creating a “buzz” in the Air Traffic Control community. Introduced last October by Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, this bill called for the peaceful uses of space, and a ban on “exotic weapons”. Section 7 of the “Space Preservation Act of 2001” sought specifically to prohibit “chemtrails”.
Kucinich recently told the Columbus Alive newspaper (Jan. 24, 2002) that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he is well acquainted with chemtrail projects. “The truth is there’s an entire program in the Department of Defense, ‘Vision for 2020,’ that’s developing these weapons,” Kucinich told reporter Bob Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command’s 2020 vision calls for “dominance” of space, land, sea and air.
Though “section vii” naming chemtrails, HAARP and other planet-threatening weapons has since been removed in a substitute bill - “under pressure” according to Kucinich - the original bill remains intact and on-file in the congressional record.
CONTRAILS VS CHEMTRAILS
The unusual white plumes reported by Air Canada pilots, police officers and former military personnel over Canada and the U.S. during the past three years are often contrasted by brief, pencil-thin contrails left by commercial jets flying above them.
Contrails form when water vapor clumps around dirt particles acting as nuclei. According to NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, contrails can only form at temperatures below minus 76 degrees, and humidity levels of 70 percent or more. Even in ideal conditions, contrails rarely last more than 20 minutes.
But atmospheric studies by NASA and NOAA - including TARFOX, ACE-Asia, ACE-I and II, INDOEX and Project SUCCESS - confirm that artificial clouds and contrails can be manufactured under conditions of low humidity by dispensing particles from aircraft. The smaller the size of the nuclei introduced into the atmosphere, the greater the rate of artificial cloud formation.
Controllers across the United States know from their professional training that these chemicals fall to the ground. Without exception they expressed their concern to Deep Sky about possible risks to human health,
“They want to know what the heck is in there,” S.T. Brendt reported. “One of them said, ‘Aluminum or barium – that’s not something you want to be breathing.’”
Over the last few months, the controller have been told that the troubling aerial operations involve “climate experiments”. Deep Sky’s family continues to experience health problems, including his young son’s gushing nose bleeds and episodes Sudden Onset Acute Asthma in his wife.
MEDIA SNOOZE WHILE VIEWERS LOSE
A working journalist for more than 30 years - with writing and photography appearing in more than 50 publications in eight countries – award-winning Canadian reporter William Thomas says he is exasperated and embarrassed by his profession.
“For the past three years, newspaper editors and TV news directors have been telling me to bring them proof of chemtrails. The more evidence I present, the more they back away from this story. It was the same with Gulf War Illness and all of the unasked questions surrounding 9.11. Once again, it seems that ‘news managers’ would rather cover personalities, predictions and press releases than threats to Canadian sovereignty, the environment and the health of their communities.”
In challenging news people to cover the news, Thomas charges that simply repeating official denials while ignoring a deluge of reports from experts and eye-witnesses across North America is not good enough.
“This is not journalism,” he says. “This is propaganda.”
And may I also direct you, and all interested, to a (if not the) major website for 'chemtrail' info and actions:
'Coation Against Geoengineering':
http://www.coalitionagainstgeoengineering.org/[/color][/color] _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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