Not very promising.
Starts with Osama Bin Laden did it.
What new is he saying?
And where? _________________ --
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:58 am Post subject:
I managed to stay up from midnight until 1am this morning listening to Tom and George. All the people who called in don't believe the official story.
George stated that he believes further investigation is needed. Given what he does and the respect he commands I can't see why he shouldn't be overly cautious about his opinions. I've got nothing against that.
I hope someone recorded it because the comments and discussions were interesting. _________________ Currently working on a new website
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:44 am Post subject:
George will come out for 9/11 Truth when he judges it safe for him to do so.
He is a survivalist politician first and foremost. I confronted him (in a very unaggressive way) with this issue in the street three and a half years ago when it was a much hotter potato than it is now (9/11 Truth has become almost fully respectable because so many people now believe what we do).
He would not engage with the issue at all. He didn't want to know......
.....in my judgement, this is not because he wasn't interested or had not already studied the evidence (as one might surely expect him to do) and made his mind up on the issues. It was because he had decided how he had to play the game.
He has other important work to do.....and why should he not put his ability to continue that important work first. One cannot blame him.
I simply do not believe that he is continuing to pfaff about in this rather confused way for years on the 9/11 issue. He is not a fool. He is quite a brilliant man in many ways.
He believes he is out there doing good in the world....and I agree with him.
I very strongly suspect that he sacrificed a little intellectual integrity to preserve what he perceives as his own spiritual integrity.
Doing the 'right' thing is not necessarily always a simple matter. Certainly not for a pro-Palestinian activist like George.
I suppose this is a kind view to take because he has certainly rejected and opposed this movement for some years......but let us not forget he has given 9/11 Truth spokespersons plenty of airtime so he has served the cause too........while supposedly opposing it.
Although this old article is not directly relevant, amongst many others, George Galloway keeps a careful watch on what the Financial Times has to say - so, as a reminder:-
Published: June 7 2008 01:22 | Last updated: June 7 2008 01:22
When Cynthia McKinney speaks the words of Martin Luther King Jr, they resound through the church with some of King’s cadence. “A time comes,” declares the former US congresswoman from Georgia, “when silence is betrayal.” The congregation answers with whoops and calls of “That’s right!” King was talking about America’s war in Vietnam. More than 40 years later, before the packed pews of the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles, McKinney is speaking of the American government’s war on its own people. The shock and awe phase of this conflict, we had been told earlier, began on September 11 2001, when the Bush administration launched attacks on New York and Washington, or at least waved them through.
According to a show of hands that February afternoon, several hundred people in the immaculate church believe this to be true. Some came in T-shirts bearing the words “9/11 was an inside job”. One wore a badge demanding that you “Examine your assumptions”. Quite a few bought the DVDs on sale in the foyer, most of which bore photographs of the Twin Towers spewing smoke. They had all come to hear the message of Architects, Engineers & Scientists for 9/11 Truth, one of the dozens of groups across the US which campaign to persuade us that everything we think we know about 9/11 is wrong.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:
I listened with interest
From what I can see, George Galloway has expressed doubts about aspects of the official story (Jersey Girls, Why did the towers fall? Where was NORAD?) without overtly coming out against the Official Story as a whole
This is actually a positive development (from no doubt at all) as it is creating a bridge that others in the Stop The War/respect/Gaza Peace arenas may find themselves able to cross: and visa versa of course
Looks to me like this episode of George's show only makes us stronger _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject:
Thermate911 wrote:
kbo234 wrote:
George will come out for 9/11 Truth when he judges it safe for him to do so.
Lest people ever forget that George Galloway faced down the US Senate hypocritters in full measure:-
Hi Thermite
I wasn't trying to imply cowardice on GG's part. I just think he understands power and what he can and can't get away with if he wants to remain as effective as possible on the Palestine front.
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: George - Not bad, not bad at all
An extremely useful broadcast.
Why Galloway saw fit to give airtime to the preposterous "cabby" character I don't know.
On balance Galloway has gone way up in my estimation and he is, it seems, one of the first "Left Gatekeepers" to cross over into seeing the bleedin obvious.
If traitorous and disgusting cowards such as Chomsky, Goodman and the like can follow suit we may yet see at least some sanity and justice return to the Anglo-American world.
PS - Naomi Wolf gets the "award for courageous and thoroughly decent mainstream-media type bod". Check it -
"cabby character"??? is that the opinionated OTT cockney accented one that ALWAYS comes out with that old ....'why didn't they fake the Iraqi WMD then if they can pull off a stunt like this?' chestnut? thinks you can put a few crates of WMD in the desert a nd get away with it, they would have to be hidden so they could be serviceable within 45 minutes a la Tony Bliar for starters!
If he can express them on live radio, he should be pursuaded to say these doubts to 3000 people in Trafalgar Square during a stop the war march. _________________ Currently working on a new website
I wasn't trying to imply cowardice on GG's part. I just think he understands power and what he can and can't get away with if he wants to remain as effective as possible on the Palestine front.
Totally agree. I put the senate link in for public consumption and as a reminder of his tenacity and clarity.
scubadiver wrote:
If he can express them on live radio, he should be pursuaded to say these doubts to 3000 people in Trafalgar Square during a stop the war march.
We can hope! Great link - much more positive today. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: Top job scubadiver
Thanks scubadiver, this is groundbreaking. It's long over-due that someone well known and prominent in the anti-war movement and the left finally and publicly acknowledges the extremely obvious.
For reasons best known to himself Galloway still parrots parts of the official version but there's also enough here to make this an exceptionally useful broadcast.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject:
TonyGosling wrote:
scubadiver wrote:
George stated that he believes further investigation is needed.
That is probably a bit stronger than what George said but the headline is slightly different to what I said here. George did say he has creeping doubts. Maybe I will have to listen to him again, but it is up to you folks to listen to what he says himself. _________________ Currently working on a new website
George stated that he believes further investigation is needed.
OK I missed that. Not too sure why I've been branded dodgy. I didn't see a specific quote from GG to support the assertion. If GG saw the headline here would he be pleased or not?
OK I missed that. Not too sure why I've been branded dodgy. I didn't see a specific quote from GG to support the assertion. If GG saw the headline here would he be pleased or not?
Thanks for the reply. And I see the title of the article has been changed. Does that mean I can have my "good name" back and have the "dodgy poster and shill suspect" tag removed?
George Galloway, MP: Building 7 collapse "practically impossible"
Edited audio from George Galloways friday and saturday radio show in which he makes it quite clear that he disagrees with the official conspiracy theory surrounding the events of 9/11 and asks people to investigate further.
George Galloway MP had a New Yorker called Tom Kiley on his Talksport radio show friday and saturday night talking about 9/11 and with particular focus on the destruction of the Twin Towers and World Trade Centre Building 7. George Galloway opens the first show http://www.wearechange.org.uk/galloway17april.mp3 explaining that he still holds Islamic extremists responsible but a recent chance meeting with Tom in New York has planted seeds of doubt in his mind. Soon into the second show http://www.wearechange.org.uk/galloway18april.mp3 George Galloway admits "it's hard to see scientifically why both of the Towers fell down in the way that they did and it's practically impossible for me to see how Building 7 could have fallen in the way it did"
Some of the professional organisations mentioned include:
Little over a week ago 9 members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice had a peer-reviewed paper 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe' published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal. According to one of the scientists involved Professor Steven E Jones "in short, the paper explodes the official story that 'no evidence' exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings." In can be read at http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/0000 0001/7TOCPJ.SGM.
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject:
Can we now vote George back INTO the Big Brother house so that he may educate millions of mindless Brits . _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
Can we now vote George back INTO the Big Brother house so that he may educate millions of mindless Brits .
The only thing to educate them would be power failure on Big Brother night _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject: Galloway Disgraces Himself & Proves His Cowardice
George Galloway, on the 23rd of July 2009, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the level of disgusting cowardice he is willing to stoop to. He has disgraced himself and sold the truth down the river by not even mentioning, even in a subtle way, the misgivings he previously voiced about a blatant False-Flag attack.
He was live on BBC1 Television's Question Time program reinforcing and pandering to the discredited and obscene 9/11 myth.
The program is available to view for one week from the date of broadcast on the BBC's online "iPlayer".
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Galloway Disgraces Himself & Proves His Cowardice
I admit to having wondered tonight whether someone would broach the subject of 9/11 with all the talk of Afghanistan and the 'reasons' for going to war ... but George is not going to stick his neck out any further than he needs to because politics is a dirty game.
Nobody dares to take this subject on for fear of being ridiculed.
And because of people like David Shaler ridiculing the movement.
Galloway didn't need to mention 9/11 to make his point about the 9/11 'hijackers' being Saudi Arabians and from the country which is in reciept of so much in the way of UK and US arms shipments.
Wakeymedia wrote:
He was live on BBC1 Television's Question Time program reinforcing and pandering to the discredited and obscene 9/11 myth.
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Galloway Disgraces Himself & Proves His Cowardice
TonyGosling wrote:
I admit to having wondered tonight whether someone would broach the subject of 9/11 with all the talk of Afghanistan and the 'reasons' for going to war ... but George is not going to stick his neck out any further than he needs to because politics is a dirty game.
Nobody dares to take this subject on for fear of being ridiculed.
And because of people like David Shaler ridiculing the movement.
Galloway didn't need to mention 9/11 to make his point about the 9/11 'hijackers' being Saudi Arabians and from the country which is in reciept of so much in the way of UK and US arms shipments.
He didn't mention the Saudi financing of the alleged 9/11 Saudi hijackers. He didn't mention the fact that the war was illegal (in fact just the reverse, saying the war was justified). If Afghanistan merely provided training grounds then that is a very tenuous reason for invasion? After all what do you think Sandhurst, West Point etc do? They train officers from all over the world, and not just from "nice" countries either!
I thought Galloway blew it. Typical BBC to have the only interesting question pressed up against the air-time end stop... (Shades of Jane Standley" "WTC7 has just fallen down" at 5.15pm. Plug pulled, end of live Satellite Transmission. 5.20pm WTC7 actually falls down!)
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