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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: Muslim trio cleared over 7/7 attacks |
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Good job.
Seems people are starting to get the idea about the huge fraud that is the "War On Terror"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7507842.stm
Trio cleared over 7/7 attacks
Three men have been cleared of helping to plan the 7/7 London suicide attacks with an alleged reconnaissance mission.
A jury at Kingston Crown Court found them not guilty of conspiring with the 2005 bombers by organising a trip to find possible targets in London.
Waheed Ali, 25, Sadeer Saleem, 28, and Mohammed Shakil, 32, admitted knowing the bombers - but denied helping them.
The men were originally tried in 2008, but the first jury failed to reach verdicts against them.
Despite being cleared of involvement in the London attacks, Ali and Shakil were found guilty of a second charge of plotting to attend a terrorism training camp in Pakistan at the time of their 2007 arrest. They will be sentenced on Wednesday.
As the verdicts were delivered, Waheed Ali gave a broad smile and Sadeer Saleem wiped his eyes. Mohammed Shakil placed his one hand on the glass partition between the dock and the well of the court and mouthed "thank you" to the jury.
The three men are the only people to face any charges in relation to the 7/7 London bombings.
During the three-month retrial, the jury heard that the trio, all from Leeds and all close friends of the bombers, had been key members of a tight circle around ringleader Mohammad Sidique Khan.
All three, the jury was told, shared a violent jihadist ideology.
Prosecutors in both trials had claimed that the men's movements in London mirrored a scouting trip by the bombers and included sites ultimately attacked.
Neil Flewitt QC had told the trial that the case centred on circumstantial evidence which, he argued, created a compelling picture of guilt.
But the trio maintained throughout the trial - and during tense evidence from the witness box - that they ideologically opposed suicide bombings and had been shocked by the attacks.
Counsel for the men told the jury there was no evidence linking them to the bombings and that they were being tried for guilt by association.
Mr Flewitt said a December 2004 trip to London lay at the heart of the case because the three men, accompanied by two of the eventual suicide attackers, had used it to visit a number of possible targets.
'Witch-hunt'
The prosecution said the group's movements bore a "striking similarity" to the final targets.
But the men told the jury that the trip had been organised because Waheed Ali was planning to leave the country for militant training in Pakistan.
He and Sadeer Saleem were going to join the future bombers Mohammed Siddique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, who had already left. |
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item7 Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | all close friends of the bombers |
all close friends of the alleged bombers. _________________ Tooth Fairy denier
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Trio cleared over 7/7 attacks |
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beeb wrote: | All three, the jury was told, shared a violent jihadist ideology.
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But ...they ideologically opposed suicide bombings and had been shocked by the attacks.
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'Witch-hunt'
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He and Sadeer Saleem were going to join the future bombers Mohammed Siddique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, who had already left. |
Does anyone see the basic contradictions in the sentences left above? Beeb loves to stick the knife in, despite the jury verdict, wherever it can damage anti-Zionists, imo. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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TonyGosling Editor
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Pugwash Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Also In the Report..
Quote: | Graham Foulkes, whose 22-year-old son David was killed in the Edgware Road Tube explosion, has called for a public inquiry into the bombings.
He said: "For almost four years we have been asking for an inquiry into what led up to 7/7.
"We are not looking for people to blame, but we also know that we have not been told the whole truth.
"We believe that crucial lessons need to be learned. If mistakes have been made, they should be put right, not covered up. This is not a witch hunt, it is simply about saving lives." |
I don't suppose there was a ringing endorsement of this point from the trial judge? Is it known whether the whole trial was taken with the pre-conception that the 'official story' of events was unquestionable?
Still, there is hope that at least some jury members were aware of the deviant nature of establishment and media in the manipulation of events. |
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Danny Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Pugwash wrote: | Also In the Report..
Quote: | Graham Foulkes, whose 22-year-old son David was killed in the Edgware Road Tube explosion, has called for a public inquiry into the bombings.
He said: "For almost four years we have been asking for an inquiry into what led up to 7/7.
"We are not looking for people to blame, but we also know that we have not been told the whole truth.
"We believe that crucial lessons need to be learned. If mistakes have been made, they should be put right, not covered up. This is not a witch hunt, it is simply about saving lives." |
I don't suppose there was a ringing endorsement of this point from the trial judge? Is it known whether the whole trial was taken with the pre-conception that the 'official story' of events was unquestionable?
Still, there is hope that at least some jury members were aware of the deviant nature of establishment and media in the manipulation of events. |
Hello Pugwash,
Yes, it is known. The judge (Gross) instructed the jury before the trial started, that the four alleged bombers were responsible, and that they (the jury) knew this.
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=133549#133549 |
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frydays Minor Poster
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TonyGosling Editor
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KP50 Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Despite being cleared of involvement in the London attacks, Ali and Shakil were found guilty of a second charge of plotting to attend a terrorism training camp in Pakistan at the time of their 2007 arrest. They will be sentenced on Wednesday. |
"Plotting to attend"? Is that like "Planning to attend" only in a sinister sort of way with a few evil laughs thrown in?
Given that the men were cleared of the charges, the BBC report seems to devote a large amount of space to the unproven allegations of the prosecution and nothing at all to the defence. |
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TonyGosling Editor
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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KP50 wrote: | Quote: | Despite being cleared of involvement in the London attacks, Ali and Shakil were found guilty of a second charge of plotting to attend a terrorism training camp in Pakistan at the time of their 2007 arrest. They will be sentenced on Wednesday. |
"Plotting to attend"? Is that like "Planning to attend" only in a sinister sort of way with a few evil laughs thrown in?
Given that the men were cleared of the charges, the BBC report seems to devote a large amount of space to the unproven allegations of the prosecution and nothing at all to the defence. |
Yes, that's very accurate KB.Is it even known what evil heinous camps they "plotted" to attend? This whole angle of terrorist camps the like of which Mohammed Saddique Khan was supposed to have attended remains very suspicious and unexplained _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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item7 Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Now we know why Tony Blair wanted to abolish trial by jury. _________________ Tooth Fairy denier
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Two jailed for terror camp plans
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8025325.stm
Seven years in jail for 'intending' to do something??
Holy Moses!
Maybe many of us on this forum could be stuck in a courtroom and our comments be conflated into our having anti-state or 'terrorist' intentions!?
We have seen the law being prepared in the USA for exactly this kind of move, but here......
........the courts are already doing it, aren't they?
.....or is there something I'm missing? |
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astro3 Suspended
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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One hundred million pounds! Six months of trial! Just to show that three lads were innocent...
But, I'm puzzled. I thought this Kingston 7/7 trial had charged the three suspects under the 1882 Explosive Substances Act, in respect of which they had allegedly 'conspired to cause explosions...' etc in London. So how come they can suddenly be found guilty of a quite different offence, one which only involves shooting Kalashikovs out in Pakistan? Or rather intending to do this. No explosives were here involved, I believe that they were not trained concerning how to make bombs.
Don't the jury have to be told at the start of tbe trial, what is the charge over which they have to determine innocence or guilt? |
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illeagalhunter Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Looks like its time for our own Warren Commision now to complete the while wash |
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Pugwash Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Is it known under which parliamentary act was the crime of 'planning to attend a terrorist training camp' brought to the the statute book?
Quote: | The trial had heard that about 1,000 young Muslims from Britain visited training camps in Pakistan between 1998 and 2003, a figure Gross said was "disturbingly high". |
[They stopped counting in 2003?]. Therefore, one would expect that there are 1,000 cases pending for such an offence, do we not? |
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