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This seems like an excellent initiative, scubadiver but, for me, this paragraph:-
| Quote: | Important: you will need to confirm your electronic signature in a confirmation email we will send you, otherwise your signature will not appear in our list! Make sure to watch your spam folders.
All fields are mandatory. We will not display your e-mail address nor use it in any other way than to send you the signature confirmation. |
...puts it into the Noo Whirled Ordure data-gathering category, regardless of the promise at the end. (See Yahoo v China if you think I'm paranoid!).
Democracy achieved the secret ballot ages ago. Why cannot the people organising online petitions respect this achievement?
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Thermate911 wrote: | This seems like an excellent initiative, scubadiver but, for me, this paragraph:-
| Quote: | Important: you will need to confirm your electronic signature in a confirmation email we will send you, otherwise your signature will not appear in our list! Make sure to watch your spam folders.
All fields are mandatory. We will not display your e-mail address nor use it in any other way than to send you the signature confirmation. |
...puts it into the Noo Whirled Ordure data-gathering category, regardless of the promise at the end. (See Yahoo v China if you think I'm paranoid!).
Democracy achieved the secret ballot ages ago. Why cannot the people organising online petitions respect this achievement? |
Point understood but not sure what you are referring to exactly (re: China) and I thought most petitions required a confirmation email?
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| scubadiver wrote: | | Point understood but not sure what you are referring to exactly (re: China) and I thought most petitions required a confirmation email? |
"Lawmakers blast Yahoo executives for helping China jail dissident"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/07/MN2NT7C99. DTL
No, most petitions are user input only - even on the street, in my experience. Yet most people are very well trained to fill in forms. I wonder why?
And my apologies for spoiling your post. In a fairer world I would have jumped at it, but with the Pentagon Psy-Ops budget being what it is; the NSA frenzy; Echelon; the Bilderberg hints at data gathering etc ad nauseum, I'll have to pass on this one, unless they can be persuaded to adopt a secret ballot approach.
The issue is just too seminal to be swept up and under the carpet once again. ICC or nothing! And we have a way to go before that happens.
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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FYI, Posted this link on 911 blogger. You might be interested in a part of the response...
| Quote: | By the way, I know the man who started this website and this petition. His name is JF, and he lives in Montreal with me. He is a good friend of mine, a hardcore truther and a strong supporter of Richard Gage. The last thing JF is is NWO. It was thanks to him we were able to bring Richard Gage to Montreal. He is very good at IT and has been helping Richard makeover ae911truth.org. I was there when Richard and JF first met. The first thing he said was "You know this guy JF? This guy kicks ass." JF designed the website and paid for the domain to host the petition and has been doing all the effort to try and get people to go sign the petition. Stop being so paranoid and help out the movement.
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/20130
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Point taken but it's not my point.
Wherever data exists on the net it will be accessible to those unscrupulous enough to use it for their own purposes.
Sorry if this sounds 'paranoid' but I doubt I need to apologise to those amongst us who understand what powers Bush's signing statements (yet to rescinded!) have in the real world.
At least with such glowing references on 911blogger, it shouldn't be too difficult for people to petition JF to redesign his petition as a secret ballot (including stripping IPs a la scroogle & ixquick), should it?
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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I have contacted JF about networking on the site and this is his response to your reservation about signing the petition.
| Quote: | Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:27:35 -0400
Subject: Re: network
From: contact@world911truth.org
To: reading911truth@hotmail.co.uk
Hi,
Yes but just a few people say that. The problem is that we need a system to confirm the identity of a person by being unique to avoid spam and multiple entries. An email is a perfect method for this, especially because you need to confirm manually. It's not too personal. A unique identifier could be a phone number. A lot of petition ask that. We didn't want to go this far. But we need a double opt-in process that is more rigid, and that adds credibility to the petition.
We'd rather send a petition with 1 million real names than 20 million fake names and be totally not credible.
The emails will not appear in the petition, do not appear on the web, and will be deleted as soon as it is recognized by the US Congress. I have no intention of using these emails other than sending a mass email when we send it to congress for people to know about it. I think we need to clarify this on our petition page.
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that, scubadiver. Sounds a very genuine and caring response. However, here's the crux, imo:-
| Quote: | | and will be deleted as soon as it is recognized by the US Congress |
As most of us know that Congress is 'Israeli Occupied Territory' my concerns still stand. No email address is safe. Every email must be treated as a public broadcast routed through NSA, Tel Aviv, Thames House etc etc.
IMO, a genuine inquiry into 9/11 at any western government level is just not going to happen, ever, period. World Court (ICC?) maybe, one day, but far more likely just the sheer pressure of numbers globally is going to resolve this crime of the millenium.
If you still doubt me, watch Conyers wriggling around tha torture issue!
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17131
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is-Rep-John-Conyers-corru-by-John-H-K ennedy-090112-740.html - wherein:-
| Quote: | | Conyers ignored a petition with over one million signatures asking for impeachment hearings. Conyers also ignored a number of other impeachment petitions that added up to a second million or so signatures. |
and even now, he will say nothing about 9/11.
Sign up anonymously for a revolution by all means. Bleating to the terminally corrupt and/or hamstrung is going nowhere and never will until the grip of Zionism (together with its' twin offspring Nazism & Communism) is very much weakened.
Presently, Augean stables ain't in it!
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Maybe you should contact him yourself. I won't be the tennis ball (so to speak)
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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This is most likely a genuine effort. And in no way do I wish to discredit the efforts of well-meaning & noteworthy individuals.
However, signing a petition will accomplish absolutely nothing imho.
I agree with Thermate that 9/11 will never be investigated.
The task then is to tilt the consciousness our way. To render officialdom on this matter absolutely irrelevant. And to address people's fear.
The sickos would much rather have us signing petitions than, for example, informing all our acquaintances about published peer-reviewed research.
But bear in mind that it is the richness of approaches and perspectives that makes us stronger. Together with something closer to the truth of course 
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: |
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So what do you think of the NYCCAN initiative, now has over 40,000 NY signatories?
www.nyccan.com?
| Quote: | Moving Forward
Today, the feeling persists among many of the families and many New Yorkers that the full truth has not been uncovered and justice has not been served. The growing number of ill and dying First Responders without access to adequate healthcare and financial support adds the necessity of an investigation into the false assurances that the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe, and immediate remedies for the healthcare crisis afflicting First Responders and nearby residents.
With the federal government failing to deliver an impartial investigation, the 9/11 Families, First Responders and residents of New York City are moving ahead with the conviction that NYC CAN.
New York City voters have the power to legally mandate the formation of a new investigation with subpoena power by petitioning to place a referendum on the ballot in the November 2009 General Election. In September 2008, the petition reached a milestone of 30,000 signatures, the minimum number required to submit the petition to New York City Council for its approval. By June 2009, NYCCAN will eclipse the 45,000 signatures required to bypass City Council, ensuring its placement on the ballot. With the passage of this referendum New York City will take the first giant step towards truth and justice.
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| scubadiver wrote: | So what do you think of the NYCCAN initiative, now has over 40,000 NY signatories?
www.nyccan.com? |
I think it is excellent within an entirely legal framework.
Taking recent NYC history into account, however, including that of Wall Street, the law has clearly been assimilated a la Meyer Rothschild, with 21st century Mafia overtones.
The best this most heartening and focussed petition will do is make the unenlightened question their beliefs. Unfortunately, it will also play right into Bloomberg & Cronies hands once the very comprehensive data 'arrives' at City Hall. Do you really think the Silverstein's of NYC are going to remain supine?
So please excuse what may come over as cynicism. I class my stance against any form of data collection as realism, let alone a survival mechanism, in a world run by an elite obsessed with 'full spectrum dominance'.
| acrobat74 wrote: | | The task then is to tilt the consciousness our way. To render officialdom on this matter absolutely irrelevant. And to address people's fear. |
In a nutshell! ;-)
It is happening too - officialdom is doing a fine job of rendering itself irrelevant through corruption and the paradigm shift is well under way, imo.
Fibonacci to the rescue?
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