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The three defendants also accepted that "reality" by all accounts. |
Yup, that's the continuing mystery. From what I know, second hand, almost nobody in the Beeston muslim community believes the official story, though that community remains in fear
Why it's not raised in defences, I should imagine amounts to threats and some kind of plea-bargaining
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Gross Misinformation
Dear Paul & All,
Please read the following article, which was published in the Yorkshire Evening Post on 8th April 2008, and written by another Paul.
| Quote: | Jury selection starts for trial of '7/7 helpers'
Published Date: 08 April 2008
By Paul Robinson
JURY selection has begun at the trial of three men accused of helping the July 7 bombers pinpoint possible targets.
Waheed Ali, 24, Sadeer Saleem, 27, and 31-year-old Mohammed Shakil all deny one charge of conspiring to cause explosions between January 1 2004 and July 8 2005.
They are alleged to have worked with Mohammed Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Jermaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain in the run-up to the quartet's suicide attack on London.
The four bombers, all from West Yorkshire, murdered 52 innocent people when they triggered explosions on the capital's transport network on July 7 2005.
Mr Justice Gross yesterdaytold 150 potential jurors that they would be asked to complete a 16-point questionnaire to help him select a 12-member jury for the trial at Kingston Crown Court.
He said: "As you know, Mohammed Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Jermaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain were responsible for causing a series of explosions on the London Underground and public transport system on July 7, 2005, that killed 52 people and injured hundreds of others.
"It is alleged that Waheed Ali, Sadeer Saleem and Mohammed Shakil assisted these men by, in particular, conducting reconnaissance of possible targets in December 2004."
Mr Justice Gross was expected to select the final 12 from a panel of 30 today.
The prosecution, led by Neil Flewitt QC, is expected to open its case tomorrow.
Ali, Saleem and Shakil deny conspiring to cause by explosive substance an explosion to endanger the lives or likely to cause serious injury to persons or damage property in the UK.
Sidique Khan, a 30-year-old father-of-one who grew up in Beeston before moving to Dewsbury, is regarded as the ringleader of the attack on London. Tanweer, 22, came from Beeston, while Hussain, 18, was from Holbeck. Lindsay, 19, originally came from Huddersfield but later moved to Luton.
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In view of the fact that the judge, "justice" Gross, had told the jury what to think ("As you know, Mohammed Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Jermaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain were responsible..."), thereby perverting the course of justice right from the beginning by making an assumption and leaving the jury in no doubt that the veracity of his assumption should not be questioned; this, even before the trial had started; it was the people's duty to inform both Gross and the jury he had misinformed, of the truth of the matter, in order to prevent a miscarriage of justice.
One person attempted to do so. John Anthony Hill.
If the "law" found what John did a crime, then the "law" is criminal, and is protecting people like "justice" Gross who misinform juries.
Those who defend these criminal "laws" are criminals also, and will eventually have to answer for it.
LLTF,
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| paul wright wrote: | | numeral wrote: |
The three defendants also accepted that "reality" by all accounts. |
Yup, that's the continuing mystery. From what I know, second hand, almost nobody in the Beeston muslim community believes the official story, though that community remains in fear
Why it's not raised in defences, I should imagine amounts to threats and some kind of plea-bargaining |
One advantage this gives to the defense is that they can argue as below:
| Quote: | | Waheed Ali, 25, Mohammed Shakil, 33, and Sadeer Saleem, 28, all from the Beeston area of Leeds, deny conspiracy to cause an explosion. They have described the trial as a conspiracy theory and victimisation. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8004419.stm
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| Danny wrote: |
In view of the fact that the judge, "justice" Gross, had told the jury what to think ("As you know, Mohammed Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Jermaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain were responsible..."), thereby perverting the course of justice right from the beginning by making an assumption and leaving the jury in no doubt that the veracity of his assumption should not be questioned; this, even before the trial had started; it was the people's duty to inform both Gross and the jury he had misinformed, of the truth of the matter, in order to prevent a miscarriage of justice.
One person attempted to do so. John Anthony Hill.
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Spot on, Danny, without a doubt. There was prejudicial loading of the case by the judge from the outset
This alone should help any appeal, should that be required, as well as providing John 'Muad' with another ground for his action
If it ever comes to trial, and isn't just a longterm harrassment with no eventual consequence, the Hill trial should garner the support of all those with an interest, never mind whether they agree with him or not
It provides a little bit of an opportunity to blow this whole fraud wide open
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| paul wright wrote: | Spot on, Danny, without a doubt. There was prejudicial loading of the case by the judge from the outset
This alone should help any appeal, should that be required, as well as providing John 'Muad' with another ground for his action
If it ever comes to trial, and isn't just a longterm harrassment with no eventual consequence, the Hill trial should garner the support of all those with an interest, never mind whether they agree with him or not
It provides a little bit of an opportunity to blow this whole fraud wide open |
Thank-you Paul. Glad you agree/see how blatant this was and that Muad'Dib had (solid) grounds for His action.
Let's hope that there are still enough brave people around who will give their support. It would be nice. Maybe some ostriches will like to come up for some air too? |
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| kbo234 wrote: | Apologies to Prole.
We did exchange emails about the matter but in the end for one reason or another I did not send her the Panorama programme as she already had my curtailed version.
Apologies are in order.
Sorry about that.......
......and for lapsing into unfortunate and ill-judged personal abuse. |
Glad to see that you, at least, have the humility to apologize when you know you have done something wrong. Kudos.
Regards,
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: re: "Dear Slaves" |
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It appears that the "Red" sea, in our current time; that stands between us and freedom; is the "Red" tape (human laws) that has already prohibited the recovery of The Ark of The Covenant, and has now gone so far as to have John Hill thrown in prison because of one of these commandments of men that the Earthly powers that be have in place to then interpret the way it suits them.
http://100777.com/arktape
John did not break any of God's Laws. Nor was there any loss incurred or injury caused. The human laws enslave till all God given rights to human+beings are nullified. Exercising free-will (a God given right) to do the right thing is now punished through human laws and their enforcers.
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
"What we are really up against as far as the New World Order is concerned, is that Satan gets his New World Order and his politicians who are all part of that, to make up rules and regulations to prevent people from doing what God (Good) wants them to do. And they make up other rules in order to force them to do things that God DOESN'T want them to do, in order to control the people. And the only way to defeat the New World Order, and it is the ONLY way to defeat the New World Order, is to get rid of all their legislation and go back to God's Laws*." - JAH
* Which cuts through all the "Red" tape.
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| Prole wrote: | | Gosling, do you seriously believe that there is a single shred of evidence to actually convict any of the 3 men in the 7/7 'helpers' trial? If you do, what do you think it is? |
Result!
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| TonyGosling wrote: | Oh Prole,
Ever the gracious one.
I suppose you trusted in British justice all along?
| Prole wrote: | | Prole wrote: | | Gosling, do you seriously believe that there is a single shred of evidence to actually convict any of the 3 men in the 7/7 'helpers' trial? If you do, what do you think it is? |
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There's a big difference between the State & its judiciary and 12 ordinary people. There was also the little fact of there being absolutely no evidence at all. Remember the Ricin plot?
Shame 'the Messiah' didn't have a bit more faith in the total lack of evidence.
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| TonyGosling wrote: | We can agree on that - but weren't the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six juries ordinary people too?
| Prole wrote: | | There's a big difference between the State & its judiciary and 12 ordinary people. |
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Beaten confessions and discredited forensics?
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| Prole wrote: | | TonyGosling wrote: | Oh Prole,
Ever the gracious one.
I suppose you trusted in British justice all along?
| Prole wrote: | | Prole wrote: | | Gosling, do you seriously believe that there is a single shred of evidence to actually convict any of the 3 men in the 7/7 'helpers' trial? If you do, what do you think it is? |
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There's a big difference between the State & its judiciary and 12 ordinary people. There was also the little fact of there being absolutely no evidence at all. Remember the Ricin plot?
Shame 'the Messiah' didn't have a bit more faith in the total lack of evidence. |
I wonder if Prole is aware that Waheed, Mohammed and Sadeer, unjustly spent more than two years in prison, because of this "total lack of evidence".
I wonder if Prole realizes that this should never have happened, because Khan, Tanweer, Lindsay and Hussain, were patsies blamed for 7/7, and therefore the three accused should have had no case to answer.
When Muad'Dib sent the DVD's, they had already spent more than one year in prison.
I wonder if Prole cares that Waheed (Ali) and Mohammed (Shakil) have been unjustly sentenced to seven years, today. And that it is highly improbable this would ever have happened had it been proven they had no case to answer in the first place.
When Muad'Dib attempted to enlighten the judge, lawyers and the jury (who had been misled by the judge), He was attacked by the likes of Prole, who seem perfectly happy with all the miscarriages of justice which have occurred throughout this case.
The truth should always come out in a court of justice, for there to be real justice. This has not happened in this case. It was based on an assumption right from the beginning, which remained unaddressed by the defence lawyers.
Because of this, even though these men have been cleared of aiding the 7/7 plot to happen; in court; in the eyes of many who still do not know the truth about this, they will remain the ones who visited the targets in London together with the "bombers".
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| TonyGosling wrote: | All very interesting in the light of yesterday's announcement that the jury have aquitted the three 'friends' of the alleged bombers.
So does this mean John Hill is going to be released?
Let's hope so.
He can hardly be extradited now.
Too much publicity.
Great "slap-on-the-back" for the European Arrest Warrant. Only to be used when the NWO are running scared.
Then it's a dud. |
He was bailed out for the second time on Saturday 25th April 2009. As far as I know, the extradition request has not been dropped. The case is going to the Supreme Court in Ireland now. A date has not yet been set.
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Can anyone explain to me what the two were actually convicted of? I've searched for a trail transcript but can't find it and I do not understand the MSM reports of "conspiracy to visit a place used for terrorist training".
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: Arrest of 7/7 Ripple Producer |
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Hopefully he has been released now
I am not sure if what he tried to do by disseminating his DVD Ripple Effect to the 7/7 players (victims families etc) could be contorted by the crooked legal system into 'perverting the course of justice' but I would say
a) He was trying to do the opposite - prevent a perversion of justice taking place
b) All too many posters were too eager to attack this individual. IMO every one who attacks a GENUINE truth-seeker - especially one with talent and dedication - better come up with a good reason why they are doing it. In fact don't bother.
We know the truth movement is riddled with agents. By their works ye shall know them
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