Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: Barack Obama warns - do not challenge official 9/11 story
Obama warns public not to challenge official 9/11 story
Egypt, Cairo June 4th 2009
US President Barack Obama Speech, defends the official 9/11 story. These are not opinions to be debated, these are facts to be dealt with.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:28 am Post subject:
oh dear, singing from the same hymn sheet. Actually when you think about it why even bother mentioning about 911 conspiracies. If the facts are so clear Mr Obama why have over 750 architects and engineers thousands of other construction professionals, scholars scientists, ex military and so on even bothered questioning 911 Officialdom.
I sense you've either been got at Mr Obama or your just one of them.
Running scared since thermite discovered
Another dumb ass president, only difference is this ones quite eloquent with his words and he has learnt when to pause to give a sense of drama.
Mr Obama the publics trust in leaders is waning fast. We dont believe you.
Be encouraged truthers the message is reaching the highest corriors of power.
Mr Obama just to be a nuisance i am gonna start praying your missus sees the light and nags and nags you like a dripping tap. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
In Cairo? - I guess your question was rhetorical? ;-)
I've yet to meet a Muslim who is not 100% convinced that boxcutters didn't figure highly on 9/11.
@acrobat: Irrelevant has certainly become the key meme when considering officialdom. The height of bad manners in China is to openly laugh at your adversary when holding all the cards. I wonder if Geithner sussed that?
Obama seems just as convinced as Bush in that if he says something it must be true...their sigh-ops are equally pathetic, saying far more about them than 'us'. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
911 denial. What next? Aspartame denial? GM Foods denial?
9/11 Denial: DoubleThink
Aspartame Denial: People haven't read the packaging. (Shop at Sainsbury's instead).
GM Foods Denial: As my American friend would say "I didn't know GM made anything other than cars!"
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject:
Sounds ominous to me. "These are not opinions to be debated, these are facts to be dealt with." That sounds like a threat. Agree with the state or else ...
I've just come across this statement from Associated Press:
Quote:
AP Source: Obama considers some 9/11 guilty pleas
By LARA JAKES – 18 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Guantanamo detainees facing the death penalty could plead guilty without a full trial under a plan the Obama administration is considering, a senior administration official said Saturday.
The option, one of a number being debated by a Justice Department-led task force, would be aimed at the five detainees accused of planning the Sept. 11 attacks, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the task force's deliberations have not been made public.
It was unclear whether the option, first reported by The New York Times, was being considered for detainees other than those accused directly in the 2001 terrorist strikes.
The task force has not presented any recommendation to the White House on how to handle the remaining detainees at Guantanamo, the official said.
The five detainees wrote a letter on Nov. 4 — the day Barack Obama was elected president — saying they wanted to confess, presumably to plead guilty and face the death penalty. At least two, including the self-described mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, have said they want to be executed to achieve martyrdom.
But the formal confessions were delayed when a judge ruled that two defendants couldn't enter pleas until the court determined their mental competency. The other three said they would also wait.
The judge, Army Col. Stephen Henley, asked lawyers to advise him whether the Pentagon could apply the death penalty without a jury trial.
As one of his first acts after taking office, Obama ordered Guantanamo closed by January 2010. He said it had caused the United States more harm than good and served as a recruitment tool for the al-Qaida terrorist network. The Justice Department-led task force is one of several trying to determine the best way to handle the remaining 200 or so detainees at Guantanamo.
U.S. military commissions set up by the Bush administration to handle suspected terrorists have come under heavy criticism from legal and human rights groups. U.S. military prosecutions employing this structure and legal rules have for the most part been put on hold since January while the Obama administration considered other options.
Obama recently approved the continued use of these commissions.
The option under review by the task force specifies that Congress would have to clarify the uncertainty that was built into the 2006 law authorizing the creation of the military commissions. That law left unclear the question of whether guilty pleas could be accepted in capital cases conducted via the military commission format.
These pleas under U.S. law are allowed in federal civilian courts and in the courts of most states with capital punishment statutes.
Traveling in France with Obama, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the president "has been clear that he hopes to work with Republicans and Democrats in Congress to improve the military commissions act to ensure that we can ensure more due process and deliver what has been long in coming: swift and certain justice. To suggest that any of the decisions have been made is not accurate."
Perhaps we should ask for this thread to be coupled to the PBS KBDI thread, the NYCCAN thread and all others who have put their names and full details forward to expose 9/11? Add in Obama's preventative detention measures and we have a recipe for (yet more) disaster. To play on a Geordie expression, the whole situation is getting very FEMmA.
The Real Meaning of Allowing Guilty Pleas and Death Penalty Without Trial for Alleged 9/11 Plotters
Washington's Blog
http://obamboozled.blogspot.com/2009/06/real-meaning-of-allowing-guilt y-pleas.html If the patsies in Gitmo are not protected at the highest level of international law (ie World Court) so they can have their cases tried ex-camera for all the world to see, then George Orwell will have been entirely vindicated and we enter the dismal grey areas of THOUGHTCRIME & Rule by Deathsquad.
Better to expose Brzezinski and his criminal cronies before this happens, nicht wahr? There are unverified reports circulating that some of Brzezinski's high profile criminal cronies are under 'house arrest', by Interpol? It's all becoming a race against time for them, it seems. Where is Kissinger? Where is GHWBush? What were Clitton & Dubya doing at the Dominion Bank in Toronto? Why has Rahm Emanuel 'suddenly' piped down? etc etc...
IMO, this year is make or break for 9/11 Truth. Squander not one moment.
. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
With Beck's audience ratings, this does warrant counter-attack, imo... _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
With Beck's audience ratings, this does warrant counter-attack, imo...
I've just watched the video, and it appears to be completely in our favour. Am I missing something?
It pushes our questions, and ridicules (though slightly masked) the Debunkers. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject:
fish5133 wrote:
oh dear, singing from the same hymn sheet. Actually when you think about it why even bother mentioning about 911 conspiracies. If the facts are so clear Mr Obama why have over 750 architects and engineers thousands of other construction professionals, scholars scientists, ex military and so on even bothered questioning 911 Officialdom.
I sense you've either been got at Mr Obama or your just one of them.
Running scared since thermite discovered
Another dumb ass president, only difference is this ones quite eloquent with his words and he has learnt when to pause to give a sense of drama.
Mr Obama the publics trust in leaders is waning fast. We dont believe you.
Be encouraged truthers the message is reaching the highest corriors of power.
Mr Obama just to be a nuisance i am gonna start praying your missus sees the light and nags and nags you like a dripping tap.
'Fraid you've got one heck of a lot of praying to do - Michelle Obama is a director of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs (previously called the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations):
And check out 'Barack Obama: the Unauthorised Biography' by Webster Tarpley for 'Uncle Tom' Obomba's true colours. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
I've just watched the video, and it appears to be completely in our favour. Am I missing something?
Perhaps the fact that the only websites mentioned are debunkers? The use of smears like 'twoofer' etc.
Sure, from 'our' perspective that clip, in reaction to Beck et al, sounds like a total 'p*ss take' ('course it is!) but that still doesn't take into account American's pharma-induced gullibility, imo. The fact that NIST approved Debunking is the main image in the clip will be taken literally by the majority of casual viewers. Sad but true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUTATYaIZYI
Take a look at JREF if you don't believe me. ;-)
Meanwhile, the real danger from reactionaries is a slavish following of FAUX news...have you seen the ratings?
A couple of random quotes last week:-
OpEd news wrote:
Disagreement about the story
No matter how certain you are, you must admit that you could be wrong, because you're human. If the Truthers are wrong about 9/11 being an inside job, they are making false accusations of mass murder. That was my point.
And most of the Truthers must be wrong, if only because they disagree about the story. Almost every Truther has a different version of the 9/11 story. Since at most only one of these theories could be right, it seems to follow that most Truthers are propounding a false theory and are making false accusations of mass murder--albeit against scumbags.
by Perry Logan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 552 comments [72 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:09:25 AM
Well, I see the blatant antisemites have come out to play!
Hey, what conspiracy theory is complete without blame being heaped on Jewish people?
And to the non racist truthers - do you REALLY want to be associated with the USS Liberty - "Zionist Occupation Government" - "enemy within" crew?
Really?
Are you going to be blaming the Federal Reserve next?
Or the "Jewish bankers"?
Or the "liberal media"?
Or the "neocons"?
Or Hollywood film and tv producers?
Or some other large institution run by Jewish people - the UFT perhaps?
Or Mt Sinai Hospital?
Or Dr Zizmor?
Cause all those subway dermatology ads are a cover for his secret control of the MTA!
Let's get real!
Al-Qaeda blew up the towers.
Period.
There was no conspiracy.
Just an act of war by a terrorist group that had serious beef with US imperialism - and were willing to kill and die for their beliefs.
I know it's hard to accept - but America is no longer immune from foreign wars - we're just like the rest of the world...from time to time, the enemies of our rulers take out their anger at our bosses by killing and maiming ordinary Americans.
You were born in an invulnerable Fortress America - so was I.
But that fortress got bumrushed on 9/11 - and it's not so invulnerable anymore.
Learn to live with it - I know it hurts ...the truth often does.
Retreating into cloud cookooland crackpot theories will NOT help matters!
And blaming your 1 million fellow New Yorkers who are Jewish will actually make things far far worse!
So it's time to gut up, face the ugly truth, and go on with life - break with the nutzoid fairy tales of secret conspiracies, tell the anti Jewish racists to crawl back under their rocks with von Brunn and deal with the reality that America's enemies did a hit on US imperialism on 9/11 and violently extinguished the lives of 2,700 of our fellow New Yorkers, and blew two of our greatest monuments into splinters and dust.
And for those that cannot face the facts - and for those who would use this act of war as cover for their racist designs against Jewish Americans, ...well, I guess those 45,000 New Yorkers CAN indeed be WRONG!
This guy pops up everytime there's a 9/11 thread on NYC Indymedia - odd, hmm? http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/06/105715.html _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject:
Thanks for info, Thermate, but I still think the video is good for us.
I've removed my original post on this, as it was a bit of an intemperate rant against 'Butler'. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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I've removed my original post on this, as it was a bit of an intemperate rant against 'Butler'.
He is very good at pushing buttons ;-/
But the strangest cahmuoonist I've ever encountered in that region. I'm inclined to believe he's really for 9/11 exposure...
''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive'' - Billy Bacon? _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
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