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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Are Judaism & Zionism the same thing? Reply with quote

When Christ, the Jew, preached a new dispensation of universal love to the Jewish people, he condemned the particular narrow self-serving teachings of Judaism and its prime exponents and interpreters, the Pharissees. He rejected the idea that God was for Jews alone. He spoke of 'The Good Samaritan' and told his followers to go and 'preach to all nations'.

It is amazing that the original evil principles of self-serving other-hating Judaism still live on as a religion. These people live in an inverted moral universe where good is bad and bad is good.
They might not be the only humans to live like this but it is surely time for people to wake up to the menace of the reality that this wicked tribe have created.

Should we say that most Jews have no interest or belief in these things.

Yes.

But do far too many of them give their support to those who do?

Sadly, also Yes.

It is surely time for people to stand up and tell the truth about the real nature of Israel and the Judaism that it practices.

These people effectively control our society and the USA for God's sake.

WE blocked a unilateral UN demand for a ceasefire.

WE impose economic sanctions against the Gazans.

How many UK christians woud make such a choice?

I do not want individuals who follow this foul creed having any influence over the society in which I live AT ALL. The same goes for Freemasons.

What fools we are to allow secretive self-serving gangs to take over and occupy all the serious positions of power in our society.


The Hanukah Massacre on Gaza–Judaism in its Finest Hour

Mark Glenn – The Ugly Truth January 15, 2009



“When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are to possess and casts out the many peoples living there, you shall then slaughter them all and utterly destroy them…You shall make no agreements with them nor show them any mercy…You shall destroy their altars, break down their images, cut down their groves and burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people unto the LORD thy God and He has chosen you to be a special people above all others upon the face of the earth…”
–Book of Deuteronomy, 7:1-8

The aerial assault on Gaza thus far resulting in several hundred deaths and close to a thousand casualties (much of which will result in even more deaths) must–if it is to be understood correctly–be placed within the historical context of the religious ideas expounded by Judaism since its inception and which today constitute the philosophical lifeblood of the state of Israel.

It is an increasingly popular fad these days amongst those taking the moral high road against Israel’s 60 year-long orgy of violence and bloodshed against the indigenous Semites of Palestine, Lebanon and other surrounding areas to erect a separation wall between “Zionism” as a violent, racist political movement and “Judaism” as a “holy religion” devoted to the worship of God. Such arguments, whether made by groups such as Neturei Karta or “Rabbis For Human Rights” or whoever maintain that the two ideologies are as different from each other as the lion is to the lamb. Some go so far as to refer to Herzl, the founding father of Zionism as a “heretic” who abandoned the “godliness” of Judaism in favor of a secular, Marxist ideology responsible for creating the modern Jewish state.

However, despite some very impressive arguments made by prominent individuals and groups in trying to paint this picture the fact is that the aforementioned argument is as real as any other fantasy created by Jewish Hollywood that defies the laws of reason or reality. Modern day Zionism and Judaism are synonymous, and it has been the fundamental misunderstanding of this fact that has brought the situation to where it is today, both in the Holy Land and in the present “Clash of Civilizations” between the West and the Islamic world.

Judaism is based upon the Old Testament, and in particular, the first five books that constitute “The Law”, referred to as “The Torah”. As many undoubtedly remember from their Sunday school classes, it begins with the story of creation, the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, Noah’s ark and other seemingly harmless tales of persons and events.

The point at which it transforms into the creature responsible for so much of today’s mayhem is when Abraham, a landless, penniless nomad living in modern day Iraq, begins hearing voices in his head telling him he has been favored by a God named Yahweh who than promises him a future of wealth, land, power and superiority over all other persons, encapsulating this idea with “I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee”. Shortly thereafter, he again hears voices in his head telling him to engage in the barbarity of human sacrifice by killing his own son Isaac in worshipping this God named Yahweh. With knife at the throat of his son and a mere few seconds away from becoming a murderer, he is then prevented from doing so by an angel, and some 3 generations later, his descendents (made up by 12 tribes) come to be known as “Israelites”.

Not long afterwards an Israelite named Moses also begins hearing voices from this same god, telling him to rescue the Israelites being “oppressed and persecuted” by the Egyptians. After a series of plagues brought against the oppressors–seemingly a fulfillment of Yahweh’s promise to “Curse those who curse” the descendents of Abraham, Moses–again, under the direction of the voices he is hearing–orders the Israelites to steal all the gold and silver of Egypt and to follow him to the land “promised” them by Yahweh residing between the two great rivers, the Nile and the Euphrates. Before entering this land however, Moses instructs the Israelites that they are to kill all the inhabitants, man, woman and child–”infant and suckling” and to rob them of all their possessions. An extermination campaign is mounted, in effect a “holocaust” of the Semitic peoples in the promised land, left unfinished by Moses but taken up again by his protégé Joshua and other subsequent leaders such as Saul and David.

By the time all is said and done, 31 cities inhabited by non-Israelite peoples–including but not limited to the Midianites, Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Hivites–have been completely destroyed. The only non-Israelites allowed to remain alive are young girls “who have never slept with man” who then become concubines for the Israelites as well as those adults who resign themselves to live as “carriers of water and hewers of wood”–in effect, slaves for God’s chosen people.

So in other words, Zionism–the idea that the “Chosen people” were promised the land encompassing modern day Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and elsewhere and were given the commandment to expel, murder and enslave the peoples and civilizations already there got its start with Abraham and was later put into practice by Moses and those who came after him. By definition then, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Saul, David and all the other “Patriarchs” (the George Washingtons, Thomas Jeffersons and John Adams of “Israel”) were Zionists.

Putting this into context, any other person or group of persons claiming to have received divine messages from some “higher power” telling them they were superior creatures and commanding them to invade, slaughter, enslave and rob other peoples not like them would–rightly–be branded criminally insane, delusional, fanatical and locked away for life. As it is today though, this situation is not categorized as such. Rather, it has been made into a “holy” religion that guides the actions of a nuclear-armed nation.

As all who understand the situation in Palestine can attest, the moment the Jews made their “exodus” from the various lands they previously inhabited and returned to “redeem and make clean” the Promised land, they have repeated the very same process of killing, expelling and enslaving today’s version of the ancient Midianites, Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Hivites, etc of Moses’ heyday. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. The Jews of today are in effect trying to implement 21st century BC ideas in a 21st century AD world with results no different than what took place as recounted in the Old Testament. It is this history that forms the foundation of their existence as a people and now as a nuclear-armed, messianic nation. The only difference between the Israelites of old and those of today is that when today’s Israelites “smite” the non-Israelite inhabitants living in close proximity to them they do not hack them to pieces with the edge of a sword or an axe but rather blow them to pieces with hellfire missiles, Apache attack helicopters and one-ton bombs made in the USA.

This being the case, it only stands to reason then that massacres such as what took place 2 days after Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ occur. Just as Christians go to church on Sundays and Muslims to mosque on Fridays to commemorate the persons and circumstances of their respective faiths, so too must the Jews engage in the same type of holy war against the non-Israelite peoples living in or near their “promised land” as a means of “keeping holy the Lord’s day”. This genocide against civilians is the glue that holds them together as a people and prevents what is an already organically-fractured nation from disintegrating from within. The fact that this latest massacre took place during the religious festival of Hanukkah, (the festival of lights) where the Jews celebrate the “temple” being rescued and redeemed from the Assyrians over 2,000 years ago lends even more credence to the notion that for them it is all about religion and has nothing to do with the stated justifications of “security”. That the Gazans were starved for months upon months prior to this recent holocaust is yet one more manifestation of this religious mindset, and in particular the commandment to “Cut down the groves” of the non-Israelites living in the promised land.

A recent case (covered by Palestinian journalist Khalid Ameyreh) taking place in Israel just prior to the Gaza massacre adds even more proof to this idea encompassing the theme of “Judaism VS the world”. Said case involves one Daniela Weise, a rabidly anti-Gentile “Israelite” who regularly quotes from the Old Testament, telling hundreds of Jewish fanatics it is a mitzvah (religious commandment) to attack Arabs and murder them because “their lives have no sanctity and their property belongs to us” and adding that “The Bible shows us the way we should be dealing with the Arabs. The Bible can’t be wrong“. In another similar case, an American tourist in Israel recently engaged in a discussion with a Jew where the following exchange took place–

Israeli Jew–“You are a Christian, aren’t you?”

American–“Yes”

Israeli Jew–“Do you believe in the Bible?”

American–“Yes”

Israeli Jew–“Well then, you know God ordered the ancient Israelites to wipe off the goyim (gentiles) from the holy land of Israel. If that was right then, why can’t it be right now?”

As all are told (and have been on a daily basis now for the last century) Israel is not like other nations. Both secular and religious leaders have gone to great lengths in trying to sell the idea that the Jewish state is the “embodiment of God’s word” on earth. As former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir once quipped Israel is “The fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself…It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.”

What all of this means in the final analysis is that as long as Israel (a nation founded on the Old Testament tales of genocide, rape, pillage, expulsion and enslavement of “the other”) exists, massacres such as the one taking place against the Palestinians in Gaza will be a regular occurrence, just as they have been throughout the last 60 years. Having been nursed on the poisoned milk of tribal supremacism first envisioned by a greedy, covetous, ambitious nomad hearing voices in his head complimenting his own delusions of grandeur and later adopted by the great “Patriarchs” manifested in violence and bloodshed of innocents as extolled in the religion known as Judaism means that the Jewish state MUST engage in these acts as a means of paying homage to the deity Yahweh.

Although 2,000 years too late, it is imperative now more than ever that the world come to grips with these facts, and until it does that “great day of reckoning” commonly referred to as Armageddon will continue to barrel towards civilization like an out-of-control freight train. The curing of any disease begins with isolating the cause, and in the case of the present circumstance involving the Jewish state being at war with the entire world (and more specifically against the Arabs in Palestine) it is the recognition of the “I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee” mindset coupled with the justification of genocide and enslavement of “the other” that threatens all life on earth.

Anyone needing proof of this should simply visit some of the photos of the most recent massacre taking place against the Palestinians–Christian and Muslim alike–who are and have been sacrificed now for the last 60 years upon the altar of twisted Judaistic thinking. This most recent massacre taking place during the Jewish “festival of lights”, where Gaza was “lighted up” with balls of fire after 200,000 lbs of high-explosives were dropped on schoolchildren is proof positive that Israel is not a nation of people devoted to a righteous, loving God, but rather a civilization of vampires making up the caricature of the beast described in the Book of Revelation that threatens all life on earth. And unless the rest of the world comes to this “revelation”, they too will soon find themselves in the same place as those today being exterminated in the interests of appeasing the “God” of the Jews.

(c) 2008 Mark Glenn

Correspondent, American Free Press Newspaper
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/the-hanukah-massacre-on-g aza-judaism-in-its-finest-hour/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Antizion: A Survey of Commentary on Organized Jewry by Leading Personalities Through the Ages....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When Christ, the Jew, preached a new dispensation of universal love to the Jewish people, he condemned the particular narrow self-serving teachings of Judaism and its prime exponents and interpreters, the Pharissees. He rejected the idea that God was for Jews alone. He spoke of 'The Good Samaritan' and told his followers to go and 'preach to all nations'.


Perhaps a relevant scripture

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2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


Whilst this has a deeper spiritual meaning its actual physical working out (its fruit) can be seen in the Israeli actions IMO. The mixture of religous old testament observance(the letter) and a secular /political Israel only results ultimately in death.
Similar situation in Northern Ireland with the mixing of legalistic religion and politics.
Man has certainly fallen short of the glory of God

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For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother Nathanael, who was brought up as a Jew, believes that "Zionism is part and parcel of Judaism". He was a guest on the Mike Piper show on December 4 last year...audio here..
http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Piper/2008/12/Piper_1_120408_200000. mp3
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Anti-Jewish Racism" and the "Secular Democratic State"

Option in Palestine



Jews are neither an ethnicity nor a race, as you have Jews from different races and ethnic backgrounds, including semites (Arab Jews) and non-semites (Western Jews, or Ashkenazim), not to mention, white and black, etc... So, being anti-Jewish cannot possibly be considered racist, chauvinistic, or 'anti-semitic' for that matter.



Being anti-Jewish is being human. It's about rejecting that set of predatory and parasitic mores, hatched in the ghetto, that characterize CULTURAL Jewishness which extends even to non-religious Jews..



For example, the leaders of the Zionist movement who oversaw the rape and OCCUPATION of Palestine were not necessarily religious, which is what the Naturi Karta were essentially complaining about.
They don't see how a secular bunch of Jews can achieve a 'divine promise' for the 'Chosen people'. That's their beef with Zionism, not the 'divine promise' itself, which renders Judiaism into Zionism by definition.



But "Chosen people" is racist, not opposition to claims of being a chosen people.. Pandering to the self-proclaimed 'chosen people' is what shames our oppressed people, not standing up to them. Finally, if a so-called 'secular democratic state' is meant to swindle Jew invaders out of Palestine, and if proponents of such a 'pluralistic' state are openly marketing that 'ploy' to us as a ruse to get the invaders out of Palestine, how come everybody 'gets it' except the Jew invaders? Does that imply supporters of the Secular Democratic option believe Jews are idiots (isn't that racist?!), or does it imply that the 'ploy' is for us to accept invaders and coexist with them?



Think about it for a second.. The 'secular democratic' trick is on us folks! There is no other way but the total and complete liberation of Arab Palestine through the armed struggle. That's how South Lebanon was liberated. That's how Algeria was liberated. That's how any occupied land truly gets liberated.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Neturai Karte folks claim to be "anti-Zionist" but they are really "post Messiah Zionists".

They embrace Talmudic teachings. Mark Glenn has an essay on the Men In Black too....
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/men_in_black.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But "Chosen people" is racist, not opposition to claims of being a chosen people.. Pandering to the self-proclaimed 'chosen people' is what shames our oppressed people, not standing up to them. Finally, if a so-called 'secular democratic state' is meant to swindle Jew invaders out of Palestine, and if proponents of such a 'pluralistic' state are openly marketing that 'ploy' to us as a ruse to get the invaders out of Palestine, how come everybody 'gets it' except the Jew invaders? Does that imply supporters of the Secular Democratic option believe Jews are idiots (isn't that racist?!), or does it imply that the 'ploy' is for us to accept invaders and coexist with them?




I don't quite understand what you are saying here.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But "Chosen people" is racist, not opposition to claims of being a chosen people.. Pandering to the self-proclaimed 'chosen people' is what shames our oppressed people, not standing up to them. Finally, if a so-called 'secular democratic state' is meant to swindle Jew invaders out of Palestine, and if proponents of such a 'pluralistic' state are openly marketing that 'ploy' to us as a ruse to get the invaders out of Palestine, how come everybody 'gets it' except the Jew invaders? Does that imply supporters of the Secular Democratic option believe Jews are idiots (isn't that racist?!), or does it imply that the 'ploy' is for us to accept invaders and coexist with them?




I don't quite understand what you are saying here.

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Did I write the above?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why anybody thinks a religious sect should have its own country.

Could catholics demand for a corner of the world to call their own, or any other religion for that matter.

If I was to become a Jew do I auotmatically get an Israeli passport ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By no means all who call themselves Jews are Zionists.
There are millions of Secular Jews who don the Zionist cap as a flag of convenience even though they dont believe the OT.
By no means all Zionists are wedded to the present incarnation of the Israeli state.

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