Terrorist Hunter Andy Hayman calls for 7/7 Enquiry

Frank Freedom

The Terrorist Hunter - ITV 8pm 22 June

TonyGosling · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject:

Okay
Never mind the rule of law, The Coroners Act, which says when there are multiple deaths there must be a public enquiry before any criminal trials.
This is trial by television.
Did anybody see this?

The Terrorist Hunter
Monday 22nd June, 8pm ITV1
Until early 2008 Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman was the most senior policeman in charge of the UK’s counter terrorism policy and operations. He worked directly to the Cabinet and Prime Minister.
Just five months after taking up his role, suicide bombers struck in the Britain for the first time– leaving 52 dead in the capital. Just two weeks, later he was leading the hunt for 4 more would-be bombers and dealing with the aftermath of the tragic shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell tube.
http://www.itv.com/news/tonight/episodes/theterroristhunter/default.ht ml
In an exclusive interview Sir Trevor McDonald talks to Andy Hayman about his three turbulent years at the Metropolitan Police, the controversies that dogged his tenure and his resignation and fears about future terrorist attacks.
Andy Hayman’s book The Terrorist Hunter will be an insider's account of how the police and MI5 are tackling one of the biggest issues facing our society - from the events of July 7 2005 to how the threat needs to be handled in the future.
http://www.andyhayman.co.uk/
The Intelligence and Security Committee has published its Review of the Intelligence on the London Terrorist Attacks on 7 July 2005. A copy of the Review is available here:
http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/210852/20090519_77review.pdf
7 July Assistance Centre was established on 20 August 2005 to continue the support of those affected by the London bombings. For further information go to:
http://www.7julyassistance.org.uk/
The Independent Police Complaints Commission investigated the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes. For more information:
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index.htm

Demands for a Public Inquiry:
A Home Office spokesperson said:
“We have consistently maintained, and experience has shown, that a public inquiry can take years and divert huge resources in terms of those who would be required to give evidence. These resources are better used by the police and security services in continuing to counter the terrorist threat.
“Events surrounding 7 July 2005 have been extensively considered by the independent Intelligence and Security Committee, which has carried out a comprehensive review of their original report taking into account all of the latest information and understanding.”

Frank Freedom · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject:

Well ...er on a programme promoted exclusively about the 7/7 attacks,
we had the Demenzes (sp) shooting and the 21/7 failed bombings with stills from the latter,also the London car bomb and images from the
Scotish airport "car bomb" mind control experiment.

As I see it this programme was largely about reminding the public of the "threat within", and nothing to do with this proposed enquiry.

Call me old fashioned,but that's the way it came across.

And dear Rachael had a few seconds too.

TonyGosling · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject:

Thanks Frank,

What did Hayman have to say on the enquiry though?

I have been staggered by the complete circumvention of the rule of law. Public Enquiry also ruled out with the Potters Bar train crash the other day.

Maybe we need to set up an independent body to conduct such enquries?

IanFantom · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject:

In the ITV television interview with Trevor MacDonald, Andy Hayman called for an inquiry into 7/7. He said we had to "think the unthinkable".

He also said that although he was in charge, he didn't feel personally that he was in control. He also gave a remarkable account of the COBRA meeting, in which he said, "You're not Miss Marples, you're politicians". One minister tried to interfere in operational matters, insisting there were 8 terrorists, when he was saying there were 4. "Is it 8 or is it 4?", asked the chairman, Charles Clarke. There seem to have been smear allegations after he resigned.

His book, The Terrorist Hunter, comes out shortly: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terrorist-Hunters-Andy-Hayman/dp/059306335X/re f=sr_1_1

His remarks on COBRA are being picked up in the press this evening:

* http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6549944.ece

Frank Freedom · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject:

Yes well said Ian,funny though I recognised the speel I did not pick up on your interpretation of that part of the programme.

TonyGosling · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject:

Not bad despite Andy keeps missing out the word 'alleged'.

7/7 bombers could not have acted alone - April 29th, 2009

The acquittals of three men on charges of helping the July 7 suicide bombers leave me with a sense of bitter disappointment. I suspect that feeling is shared by the families of the victims, the survivors and the police investigation team.

http://www.andyhayman.co.uk/andy_blog/?p=39

These charges would not have been brought unless police and prosecutors were satisfied that there was significant evidence implicating the defendants in the preparation of the 7/7 attacks.

I have no doubt that Mohammad Sidique Khan and the other three bombers had significant assistance from others here and overseas.

There were several sets of fingerprints, other than those of the four dead bombers, in the bomb factory in Leeds. There was extensive telephone contact with other people, here and in Pakistan. In my mind, it is inconceivable that the only people involved in planning these attacks were the four who carried them out.

The end of this trial probably represents the last throw of the dice for the police investigation into 7/7. It is extremely frustrating to reach this milestone knowing that people who aided and abetted the murders of 52 innocent people remain at large. I remain firmly of the view, however, that everything that could possibly be done was done and every lead was pursued.

The scale of the investigation was immense: more than 37,000 exhibits were examined, 4,700 telephones seized, producing more than 90,000 numbers requiring analysis and 24,000 people to be traced, interviewed and eliminated. Officers from Scotland Yard relocated to West Yorkshire to conduct inquiries.

This investigation was conducted by counter-terrorism units that were stretched to their limit and ran alongside inquiries into 11 other high-profile terrorist cases. But at the end of that inquiry the evidence that could be put before the court was circumstantial. Perhaps that is the only evidence there was to be found. A brave choice was made to put it before a jury and let justice take its course.

This was no half-baked police operation. I know that the officers involved had the grief of the bereaved etched on their minds. However, despite their best efforts, the evidence was not convincing enough.

QuitTheirClogs · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject:

I’d like to know how Alistair Darling replied to the following question:

TonyGosling · Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject:

Here he seems to be arguing for more police control.

Cobra is pointless, says Hayman
http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=9844

Ex-Yard terror boss attacks post-7/7 chaos
Justin Davenport, Crime Correspondent - 22.06.09

The Government crisis committee that deals with events from flu epidemics to terror attacks was condemned today as a “nonsensical system” by a former head of police counter-terrorism.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23710298-details/Ex-Yar d+terror+boss+attacks+post-7+7+chaos/article.do

Andy Hayman, who was head of Scotland Yard's specialist operations until he resigned in 2007, said the Cobra committee dragged people away from their real jobs when dealing with a crisis.

Mr Hayman, who was head of counter terror operations during the 7/7 bombings in 2005, gives details of Cobra in his book The Terrorist Hunters.

He is particularly critical of the shambolic operations of the committee, which he revealed meets in a fortified cellar beneath Whitehall.

Senior officials who are dealing with the immediate aftermath of a major event are suddenly dragged into a meeting with politicians, he says.

“There's a bomb attack and all hell breaks loose. Everyone scrambles — emergency services, police, intelligence agencies, Government departments — and rushes around trying to deal with it. But within an hour we're pulled off the job and summoned to Cobra.”

He says the meeting room is stuffy and often senior officials wander lost beneath Whitehall trying to find it.

He adds: “Of course a meeting should be called to co-ordinate the response, and the role of senior people is to detach themselves from the detail and plan ahead. But in my experience, Cobra fails to do that. The first time I attended, I was in awe. There were more knights there than at King Arthur's round table.”

He says politicians are often plunged into meetings on issues they know little about. Speaking about the 7/7 attack he says: “Take Alistair Darling, who was then Transport Secretary. He was on my case all the time, telling me the Underground needed to be reopened. And I kept asking: Do you want me to secure the crime scenes and get the evidence to prosecute the terrorists, or do you want me to get the traffic moving?'”

Speaking in the Times to publicise his book he said: “Sometimes the meetings worked but more often they didn't. People would jockey for position in front of influential ministers, squabbling over places at the table. At times Cobra appeared to be little more than a stage for those looking to impress.”

Mr Hayman calls for Cobra to be replaced with a committee made up solely of operational officials.

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject:

Former anti-terror chief calls for July 7 inquiry
Source ITN - 22nd June 2009

A former anti-terrorism chief has called for an independent public inquiry into how the suicide bombers were able to carry out the July 7, 2005 attacks.

Andy Hayman, who was Assistant Commissioner for Special Operations at Scotland Yard at the time, said without an open inquiry "no one can be sure if key issues have been missed".

His comments - made in his book, The Terrorist Hunters - come almost four years on from the terror attacks when four bombs ripped through London's public transport network, killing 52 people.

He said: "Incidents of less gravity have attracted the status of a public inquiry - train crashes, a death in custody, and even other terrorist attacks. How can there not be a full, independent public inquiry into the deaths of 52 commuters on London's transport system?

"There has been no overview, no pulling together of each strand of review, no one can be sure if key issues have been missed."

Mr Hayman said he is "uncomfortable" with the official position that an inquiry would divert resources from the fight against terrorism.

Survivors and relatives of the July 7 victims have taken their fight for a public inquiry to the High Court following last month's publication of a report by the Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC).

The report exonerated the security services of any blame for leaving Mohammed Sidique Khan, the mastermind behind the July 7 attacks, free to plot the bombings.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/former+antiterror+chief+calls +for+july+7+inquiry/3225382

fish5133 · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject:

TonyGosling · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject:

His book's been belatedly banned!!
Meanwhile you can now watch Hard Talker Hayman on BBC iplayer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lf3fv/HARDtalk_Andy_Hayman/

New Spycatcher row as Attorney General blocks ex-terror police chief's book... even though it already appears in shops
By James Slack, Home Affairs Editor
Last updated at 4:18 PM on 02nd July 2009
The Government was accused of 'breathtaking incompetence' today after a book by a former counter-terrorism officer was banned only after its contents had been made readily available.
The Attorney General obtained an injunction to prevent the publication of the book by retired Scotland Yard assistant commissioner Andy Hayman only minutes before yesterday's official publication date.
But the book had already been widely distributed and could be purchased in bookshops today.
The book - The Terrorist Hunters - had also been extensively serialised in a national newspaper last week, and Mr Hayman - who led the Met's response to the July 2005 terrorist attacks - made numerous radio appearances to promote its publication.
To add to the sense of farce, sources close to the publication insisted it had been given to MI5, MI6 the Crown Prosecution Service and the Cabinet Office for vetting two months ago.
The Attorney General's office concedes a number of copies of the 372-page book were distributed, prior to yesterday's official publication date.
The incident has echoes of the Spycatcher controversy. The book, the autobiography of Peter Wright, a former MI5 officer was first published in Australia, and widely read.
The Terrorist Hunters was due to hit bookshelves today
Yet, despite its ready availability, the British Government tried and initially succeeded in banning the book - increasing its notoriety.
The ban was eventually lifted when the courts acknowledged it could be freely read across the world, except for in England.
Patrick Mercer, chairman of Westminster's terrorism sub-committee, said: ''For people to get these sort of things wrong makes the country look like a laughing stock. This is breathtaking incompetence.'
Baroness Scotland QC, the Attorney General, stepped in to obtain the injunction at 11.45pm on July 1............
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197027/Ex-counter-terror-poli cemans-book-blocked-form-publication-Scotland-Yard-obtain-injunction.h tml?ITO=1490

Thermate911 · Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:33 am Post subject:

Just backing up here a minute...

TonyGosling · Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject:

...."the biggest lesson that came out of 7/7 was that overall our internal communication was an utter shambles."

Hayman says he wrote the book after retiring last year after 30 years in the force because he "wanted to write a true inside account of the aftermath of the July bombings - the drama, the complexity, the turmoil, and the mistakes. A vivid contemporary history that historians could refer to and from which lessons could be learned"

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711377-details/Andy+H ayman:+I+deeply+regret+not+challenging+Ian+Blair+on+de+Menezes/article .do

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:21 am Post subject:

This case is in court today.
DEAD give away is that Baroness Scotland has put a gagging order on the REASONS for the banning of his book.
Has anybody got a copy?
Extracts have begun disappearing off the Times (which serialised it)'s website.

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:46 am Post subject:

Big chunk of text - one of the extracts is here and what a rich seam of truth treasure

Busker · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:58 am Post subject:

Is Hayman's book still injuncted?

I thought I'd heard somewhere it was a temporary measure, but nobody had defined how temporary.

astro3 · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject:

Counter-terror officer lurking behind the Four?

A vital quote from Hayman’s book is

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject:

Still injuncted I presume.
Spycatcher plus some.
In court today

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:

Andy Hayman’s memoirs blocked from publication
09 Jul 2009
The memoirs of a former assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS), Andy Hayman, have been blocked from publication by the attorney general.
Baroness Scotland QC served the injunction against The Terrorist Hunters hours before it was due to go on sale on July 2.
Police Professional was made privy to an advanced copy of the book by retired assistant commissioner, Mr Hayman, which covers his recollections of the investigations into the London suicide bombings, the unfulfilled July 21 attacks and the suspected radiation poisoning of Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko.
Large sections of the 372-page book, co-written by former BBC journalist Margaret Gilmore, have already been serialised in The Times newspaper.
The reasons for granting the injunction are not being published for legal reasons.
Mr Hayman retired from the MPS in 2007, having ended his policing career as the UK's most senior police officer responsible for counter-terrorism strategy.
The book was billed as the definitive inside story of the UK's fight against terrorism.
Speaking at a Metropolitan Police Authority meeting last week, MPS Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson said: “I find it surprising, as Commissioner, that I have no right on this occasion to have access to the book before it is published. That surprises me. It is troublesome and it does not help good conduct.”

http://www.policeprofessional.com/news.aspx?id=9024

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject:

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject:

Baroness Scotland faces new inquiry call over £170,000 London allowance
Baroness Scotland, the Attorney General, is facing calls for a second investigation into her personal affairs amid claims that she was wrongly paid £170,000 in Parliamentary allowances.

The peer, who is already under investigation for employing an illegal immigrant as her housekeeper, receives a £38,280-a-year "night subsistence allowance" widely understood to be for ministers whose primary home is outside London even though she owns a large house in the capital.
The controversy erupted amid further pressure over her former housekeeper, Loloahi Tapui- Zivancevic, a Tongan national who worked for her for six months despite being in the country illegally.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/immigration/6211368/Bar oness-Scotland-faces-new-inquiry-call-over-170000-London-allowance.htm l

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:51 am Post subject:

The controversial exposé they originally banned is now back on sale – with no changes to the disputed text.

The Terrorist Hunters had already been serialised in The Times newspaper and had sold nearly 800 copies in less than a week, when it was temporarily banned at the request of the Attorney General, Baroness Scotland.

High Court Judge, the Hon. Mr. Justice Tugendhat, who heard the case, recognised the importance of the book, stating “In my judgment the book aims to inform the public on matters of the greatest public interest, and it does so in a serious way”. He nevertheless agreed that further sales of the book should be delayed to ensure a section was not read by jurors in an ongoing court case and interpreted by them, rightly or not, as a reference to that case.

The temporary injunction imposed by the Hon. Mr. Justice Tugendhat has now been lifted.

Author Andy Hayman comments “We submitted the book for vetting by MI5 of our own accord and agreed to more than a hundred changes that MI5 and the Crown Prosecution Service asked for. Yet to our astonishment the CPS, via Baroness Scotland, called out a High Court Judge late one night to argue that the book be pulled. Under the circumstances this left the judge with little choice but to stall sales temporarily. We’re grateful the judge recognised the importance of the book and we are delighted it will be back on sale and accessible to the public again.

http://www.andyhayman.com/

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject:

Andy Hayman was talking about The Terrorist Hunters on BBC Radio 5 Live today. Explaining how he was required to make 100 or so alterations to the original text of the book. Here he is on mp3
Duration 34 minutes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/mayo
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/mayo/mayo_20091110-1540a. mp3

Busker · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject:

I got the original hardback, way back in July as I had it pre-ordered.

I can understand a lot of people being annoyed and embarrassed by the book, but there was certainly nothing in it that could threaten national security.

If the injunction has now been lifted, is it possible to get the reasons for the initial injunction or do they remain secret?

Frank Freedom · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject:

Strange Andy Hayman has not heard of Peters Powers/Visor Consultants
"drill" on 7/7? It was well publicised even on the BBC, unless the whole drill thing was just another psy-op/distraction.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/mayo/mayo_20091110-1540a. mp3

Thanks for the audio link TG

The book will probably be available through the library so I'm not "buying" this.

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject:

He may be avoiding the issue as Peter Power has used the BBC to roll out his cover story.
It may be, of course, that elements of the 7/7 plan were designed from the start to be 'red herrings' to be gobbled up by the suspicious like us and then debunked at a later date.
This was a very professional black operation, much more so than 9/11 in my view.
Main problem with official story remains the type of explosive used still unknown. Probably military.
Daniel has said he saw an exercise going on with real people in the streets and there is independent corroberation of real 'exercises' that morning before the explosions.
I believe they were not just exercises but that some parts of the Met were aware that something might be afoot.

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I disagree that the “Main problem with official story remains the type of explosive used still unknown. Probably military.”

Excerpt only
Dr Rory Ridley-Duff, Sheffield Hallam University.

How about pre knowledge of certain individuals and this for example.

Checking these claims provided the motivation for writing this paper. The author found they exist as bone fide news reports in overseas publications. Following this, a search of Nexis UK, a database used by universities to research news stories, was undertaken. This revealed a number of other reports in US, Canadian, New Zealand and UK newspapers. Further to this, Google searches found verbatim blogs and discussion forum archives that comment on these events. These add support to claims that a serious ‘crisis’ occurred at Canary Wharf. Table 1 summarises the news stories that surfaced at the time of the alleged shooting.
Table 1 – Reports of Activity at Canary Wharf, 7th – 10th July 2005
Date / Time Source Text of News Report
7th July, 11.49 GMT “Pammy”
Ceroc Scotland Forum “My cousin works at Canary Wharf and they are now evacuating there, not sure if "just in case" or if they have heard something is up...”
7th July, 12.13 GMT “Gus”
Ceroc Scotland Forum “Its very odd in Canary Wharf at the moment. The offices are usually a lively place ... today there is no laughter, no smiles ... a sombre place. We're in a very real crisis situation, we've been informed that the entire Wharf is locked down, no one comes in, no one leaves ... not that there is any transportation to take you anywhere.”
7th July, 12.28 GMT “DavidB”
Ceroc Scotland Forum “I'm in Canary Wharf, and most people still seem to be at work. There are loads of police and security around, and all the buildings are doing ID checks at the entrances. There was a rumour that to (sic) police stopped a suspected bomber getting to canary wharf, but not heard anything else about that yet.”
7th July, 12.34 GMT “Europhobia”
Internet Blog “Someone here at work has just been phoned by a guy he knows in Canary Wharf (I know, it’s a bit removed – but I trust him). He says marines have shot a man there who they think to have been a suicide bomber”.
7th July, 9.48 EST,
(13.48 GMT) CNN Breaking News “QUESTION: Can you tell me -- the rumors that a police sniper shot dead a suicide bomber at Canary Wharf (ph). Do you know anything about that?
[BRIAN] PADDICK: We have no reports of any police sniper shooting at anybody today.”

Date / Time Source Text of News Report
7th July, 11:34 EST
(16.34 GMT) Kate Rook, reporter
GlobeAndMail.com A Massive Rush of Policemen
“From the 18th floor of Canary Wharf in London, Canadian Brendan Spinks could see a massive rush of policemen outside the building Thursday after the city was rocked by terrorist attacks. The Internet in his office had just gone down when Mr. Spinks, an investment banker at HSBC, saw a flurry of police cars and yellow-vested men outside. Reports of attacks carried out by suicide bombers were rife, and in one unconfirmed incident police shot a suicide bomber outside the 42-floor banking tower…”
8th July Lucy Hyslop, reporter
Vancouver Sun, Final Edition
Lucy Hyslop, Senior Editor, Daily Telegraph,
Canary Wharf. “Canary Wharf, the tallest building in London and my office, was sealed off completely to the public and all routes in and out were secured. Office workers, some fearing another 9/11-style attack, decided to turn back and begin the long walk home.
Rumours and misinformation were rife. I had one call from a friend reporting that two suicide bombers had been shot dead at Canary Wharf, another woman said her policeman husband had been sent to the area to wait just in case of further attacks.”
8th July James Starnes, reporter
Ottawa Citizen, Final Edition “The radio is saying they shot dead a suicide bomber at Canary Wharf and that's right opposite my apartment across the river (Thames).”
8th July John Walsh, reporter
The Independent, London Terror In London
“Farouz, a business technician in Docklands…had heard the rumours. ‘Someone at work was saying a suicide bomber had been shot dead by police just outside the Tower. But the police are denying it,' he added darkly.”
8th July Steve Nowotty,
Huntsville Times (Alabama) Bombing Turned Thoughts to Mum
“Everyone had their story. Another colleague, Nicola, had returned late from holiday, and been forced to cancel a meeting. She was lucky - she would have been on the Tube in rush hour.
Nicola's best friend was working in Canary Wharf - London's answer to the World Trade Center. She called in the afternoon, still in the building. Her office had been told not to leave, and rumors were flying. Someone had been shot. Maybe a suicide bomber. No one was sure.”
8th July News,
The Evening Standard (Palmerston, New Zealand) London Based Kiwis Send Messages Home
“Felicity Lawlor, formerly from Auckland, emailed her sister in Rongotea this morning to say she arrived at work to hear about an explosion in the Underground…“Ms Lawlor said there were ‘lots of crazy rumours flying around’ like a suicide bomber having been shot dead outside Canary Wharf.”
8th July, 9.03am Susan Percy,
New Zealand Herald, Messages Bulletin Board London Bombing
“One man said he had heard that police marksmen had shot a potential suicide bomber at Canary Wharf but I haven't seen that reported by the news channel.”
9th July News Section
The News Zealand Herald News
“A New Zealander working for Reuters in London says two colleagues witnessed the unconfirmed shooting by police of two apparent suicide bombers outside the HSBC tower at Canary Wharf in London.
The New Zealander, who did not want to be named, said the killing of the two men wearing bombs happened at 10.30am on Thursday (London time).
Following the shooting, the 8000 workers in the 44-storey tower were told to stay away from windows and remain in the building for at least six hours, the New Zealand man said.
He was not prepared to give the names of his two English colleagues, who he said witnessed the shooting from a building across the road from the tower.”

Date / Time Source Text of News Report
9th July Simon Houpt
The Globe and Mail (Canada) Citizens of the World Report
“On Thursday, editors across London dealt with the same issue. At the Times Online, news editor Mark Sellman noted that a number of tips came in that turned out to be false. "You're in a very hot point, stuff was coming in but it's not necessarily reliable, and you have to check it out," he said. "There were urban myths, and you do have to ignore them. Someone said a suicide bomber was shot dead in Canary Wharf, and that was an urban myth."
10th July South London News Suicide Bomber Neutralised in Canary Wharf, London
“On Thursday 7th July, a suspected suicide bomber was shot dead by police marksman outside Canary Wharf, the financial district of London. It is believed he was 'neutralized' outside the Credit Suisse First Boston bank. Police are 'probing'. The 'suicide bomber' is believed to have been part of a co-ordinated team of other suicide bombers. The alleged bomber was killed on the same day of the central London terror attacks.”
10th July Nigel Farndale,
Sunday Telegraph (London) We’re Still New Yorkers
“One thing about which all we rumour mongers were agreed was that a suicide bomber had definitely been shot by security forces while attempting to blow up Canary Wharf.”
10th July News Section,
The Observer News
“Down at Westminster, wild rumours - none of them true - were circulating: a police sniper had shot a would-be suicide bomber at Canary Wharf; troops were to be put on the streets; the casualties were higher than Madrid', when 191 died.”
Further reports appear in UPI (USA), a UK news service for the City of London and the Daily Mail. These repeat earlier reports from other newspapers sources and do not add to the accounts already in the public domain.
The reports are contradictory. A Globe and Mail article quotes Mark Sellman, editor of the Times Online as saying the shooting was an ‘urban myth’. The Observer also put out a statement saying that ‘wild rumours’ that a sniper shooting dead a man at Canary Wharf were untrue. These reports, however, do not appear until the 9th and 10th July, days after reports have already appeared in Canada (Globe and Mail, Vancouver Sun), the USA (Huntsville Times, CNN News), New Zealand (Evening Standard, New Zealand Herald), the UK (Sunday Telegraph, The Independent, South London News, Ottawa Citizen) and internet blogs (Seroc Scotland Forum, Europhobia) that refer to ‘unconfirmed’ reports of a shooting.
Given the numerous press reports, Mike Rudin – series producer of the BBC Conspiracy Files - was approached to clarify why these press reports were not discussed in the programme on 7/7. He responded that:
Our team did look at the rumours of shootings at Canary Wharf. We spoke to a number of people who had been there on 7th July. No one witnessed any shootings. None of the comments you picked up on the web, nor any of the comments we looked at, named anyone who actually witnessed anything. We checked the story with Reuters, as the New Zealand Herald mentions "a New Zealander working for Reuters". However, Reuters never wrote up this story, nor did the Press Association, Associated Press or AFP. Nor could we find the New Zealander. We are left with nothing more than hearsay and rumour.
Rudin (2009)

The BBC response is helpful, but not entirely persuasive. Globe and Mail name Canadian Brendan Spinks as an eye-witness account of extensive police activity. Lucy Hyslop, who filed a report with the Vancouver Sun, describes the situation that day, as well as the lock down that occurred at Canary Wharf where she works. As a “senior editor” at the Daily Telegraph, she is anaccessible media source, and her story includes a claim that a friend called her regarding the shootings. James Starnes, a citizen reporter, is his own ‘eye-witness’ to a radio station that was carrying a story about a shooting. All these people could be traced to clarify what they witnessed first hand, and establish how the story broke. While the BBC response correctly states that no reporter, blogger or forum contributor claims to be an eye-witness to the shootings, the blogs and discussion forum contributions are verbatim first hand reports, carrying more credibility than second-hand BBC reports. Their credibility does not depend on endorsement or confirmation by a government or state authority.
With the exception of Times Online and the Observer, the reports that do exist are mutually reinforcing and consistent. The number of reports, and the multiple nationalities of the reporters sending reports to different papers in different locations is consistent with verbatim accounts in two internet blogs and a discussion forum. This adds credibility to, but does not confirm, the Reuters story. While no firm conclusions can be drawn about a shooting, there is less doubt that a serious incident occurred at Canary Wharf. There are named eye witnesses to establish that police activity occurred consistent with a lock-down in Canary Wharf in the aftermath of an alleged shooting. The incident, characterised as a ‘very real crisis situation’ by Gus on the Ceroc Scotland Forum at 12.18am on 7th July , was important enough to:
- Prevent anybody entering or leaving Canary Wharf for six hours
- Instruct staff to keep away from the windows
- Deploy large numbers of police and/or army personnel to Canary Wharf
- Cut off internet access.
When these points are considered together with the numerous reports, and bearing in mind the Reuters report claiming two eye-witnesses to the shootings, it is surprising that the government’s official investigation makes no mention of anything occurring at Canary Wharf (House of Commons, 2006). In any future public inquiry, it will be necessary not only to trace people who were at Canary Wharf and the Credit Suisse building, but also to establish the conditions under which the police/security services allowed people to leave.

http://mtrial.org/sites/mtrial.org/files/20833633-What-Happened-at-Can ary-Wharf-on-7th-July-2005-1.pdf

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:30 am Post subject:

So loads of people including families of the victims and Rachel North have been calling for the law to be upheld here but nothing's happened.
Who is blocking it?
Baroness Scotland?

An enquiry can be conducted by anybody in theory.
A citzen's enquiry would have to be an expert independent panel of including engineers and lawyers.

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