Links with occultism - are they significant?

[Pugwash]

[rodin]

How many deaf @ Bill Bailey concert?

[outsider]

[outsider]

[heart-earth]

[outsider]

@ outsider:

To the 'Revelation' aficionados (and I know that includes Tony!), my take is that was the psychotropic drugs which grew wild on the island in Greece John was living on at the time. Plenty of 'foreknowledge' (remember the 'Tree of Knowledge'?), mixed with plenty of untruth, a product indeed of the occult, but not of God. And for 'occult', read 'Devil'.

Might I also remind folks that Masons claim 'second sight' (a claim I believe is true); I am not for one moment suggesting that John was a Mason; I am also not accusing John of deliberately misleading us; I believe most people who receive 'revelations' or see 'visions' genuinely believe they come from 'God'.

[Thermate911]

[outsider]

[TonyGosling]

Interesting YouTube vid about something called Eastern Orthodox Christian witchcraft in Romania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJpaAlk9VQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJpaAlk9VQ

[rodin]

?Missing posts?

So where does this construction of the horned salute as I Love U for the deaf originate exactly? Enquiring minds want to know

[PAULA]

personally i think most occultism goes back to the sunworshipping cults of ancient egypt and babylon ..why anybody gets hooked on this ritualistic dross is beyond me

[eogz]

The horned salute as it is descibed in this thread, I'm not convinced that everyone who uses it knows what it means, i.e. Bill Bailey.

Certain trends come onto being through the mass media, surely the issue over using something like this is about intent rather than practice?

[Frank Freedom]

Glastonbury- the pyramid stage with capstone highlighted, loads of worship going on there.

[Frank Freedom]

...and how many more times are they going to say "Shamanistic"?

[TonyGosling]

The Brotherhood of Darkness
"An understanding of the forces which have shaped the 20th century is predicated not on facts to be learned but on secrets to be discovered."
What was the origin of the Council on Foreign Relations, and what is its relationship to Freemasonry, Theosophy, Socialism and Communism? This video is felt by many researchers to be the best single source of information on the movements working to create a New World Order.

Link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2866704516923817439

[TonyGosling]

Not quite sure how relevent this is to this thread but an interesting 1970s documentary featuring occultist Eleanor Bone, Alex Sanders.
Demeter, Zeus. Handfasting.
Midnight Black Mass in Bedford, England.

Occult Experience
1970 documentary on occultism and witchcraft

Link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2156303557709086047

[TonyGosling]

And another similar one - quite an insight into this murky world

Link

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7944695466357169426

[outsider]

Just pulled this up when I watched Tony's '175 still flying':

Obama's Secret Initiation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvPhSUZgzxo&feature=fvw

Do any of you know who the other 'guy' in the video is?

It's just occured to me that this doesn't look like a Masonic initiation at all, but I wonder what it was? One does not laugh when one is taking an oath.

[TonyGosling]

The six part documentary 'Inside The Brotherhood' was made by veteran investigative journalist Martin Short... who also wrote a book of the same name as a follow up to 'The Brotherhood' by Stephen Knight. I didn't know a documentary existed!
In parliament mentions the Gallery lodge (press men and lobby journalists) and the New Welcome lodge (for non Tory MPs).

[Caz]

The occult are now in the schools across the UK, via Psychosynthesis, founded by Roberto Assagioli, a student of Alice Bailey's, who founded the Lucifer Trust.

http://paulmcguireblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/paul-speaking-prophecy-con ference.html

[GodSaveTheTeam]

I remember touring schools a few years ago with issue based theatre and seeing posters all over the place in all of them with the slogan "YOU ARE GOD" on them.

Whilst I can see the spiritual message in this slogan, it does seem very NWO'esque.

Not sure I like the idea of kids running around believing they are God.

Of course, it sets the precedent of people being "gods".

Just what the elite ordered as they rule from their very own mount olympus...

[Life]

Hi All.

It is good that people are allowing the idea of secret or occult knowledge to enter the arena, because if one truly wishes to understand what the hell is going on in this world presently, understanding the occult world is an essential ingredient, without it one is dealing only with a tenth at best of the knowledge to which those at the higher levels of this world exist within.

Unfortunatley I have solid experience of the occult, its doctrines, its aims, and the means by which it is used against the populations. It is nothing new, it is just that at the end of the last 13.000 year cycle man had gone mad, and thus this solar systems frequency fell to a lower frequency, the very cycle we are leaving as we head into the expanded frequency range and enter the new, under this last cycle the abyss has had 'open house' as far as men wanting power in order to feel secure, thus in the hunt for such power man has opened more and more to the children of the shadows, man has given them this power.

We are today at the point at which the 'old order', the old power, has to defeat the natural cycle of man, by means of the creation of a Temple, a Temple within which man will not be able to synchronise with the higher frequencies in which the solar system is entering.... enter the 666 Grid.

Satallite, microwave technology, pollution, chemical overload, NLP programming direct into the mind of man, all these weapons are creating a frequency prison, preventing our connection with that which has been promised for 2000 years as the Christian calendar counts.

Christ is not a geezer in sandals, it is an energy and it is open to every living creature always....it is called love, and it's availability to man has returned.

Given we exist within the frequency prison created by the children of the shadows, to express love today is in direct opposition to the genetic programming which is called on to survive as its root program, love does not compute with logic or the mind, it is the language of the heart, therefore it would seem to be the exact opposite required response in todays madness.

Building fences and walls , protectionism is the dictate of the DNA, it is the demand of the serpent.

Love is the call to ascension of the spirit from the bondage of the DNA, not as religious institution commands and to physically die, it is the call to rise above the dictate of the genetics and to become the rider of the horse and let the ascended self shine in this world while alive.

The greatest means to keeping man out of the spiritual, is to have him believe he must die, but it is the identification of the physical self as the only self that must die, it is a spiritual death, or a series of many deaths, this is the eightfold path of initiation, the path of the grail, etc.

Fear controls man, man only aknowledges the physical, the genetic programme, therfore the idea of death is a subject one runs away from.

"By my ownself I am nothing ", such a truth is missed by the masses, who of course existing in the genetic programme equates this to forming likeminded groups.... the spiritual look for the connection within, the journey to life begins.

It is a spiral, the looking glass, most do all they can to exist on the merry go round at the centre of the cone, round and round going niether up nor down.

The Kabbalah speaks of the journey to ascension requires first...a journey into the underworld to face the dweller on the threshold, or 'YOU', your shadow self, then it is a breaking down of all that is false, the journey of ascension begins, you move on the spiral but head up.

If succsessfull you will re-connect with the higher frequencies, you become spiritualised, energised life, all you do is the programme of the higher frequencies and your genetic horse becomes a vassel for the heaven entities to bring forth heaven on earth.

What the children of the shadows have accomplished through the last cycle, is to connect with enough of man to bring their world into the physical, 'they are coming to their Kingdom'.

The event known as the Tower of Babel, giving the means and the leg up in this regard, giving the rulers of the pre deluge agethe ability to come back into the following cycle, and rule, but thats another story.

The truth of this world is the fact we are all parts of the same source, individualised, but always a hologram of the whole, thus your only duty is to ascend while in body to the hights of the heavens, individually.

You cannot take your wife or husband with you if they wish to remain entranced by the glamour of the serpent, it is a very lonely journey.

As one moves up the spiral one becomes energised by those enrgies, you connect with the inhabitants of the same, you then express that frequency.

All is going on at an individual level, were are you fixed on the grid matrix is very important because no matter how high minded one is, if your grid connection is low, all you do can only serve that level, I cite the current elite for the proof of this, highly intelligent, but rooted in the base chakras, they bring forth only fear.

There is a great truth in the fact, reality is going on on an individual level in the Pineal Gland, if one takes ones influence from without, the physical matrix has you, if you look within for your influence....well one is surprised what can be seen and made manifest, energy follows thought and makes manifest, we each create our own reality.


The elite despise the heavens because the heavens keep them out, they failed on the path, they connected with genetic programming hence their obsession with bloodlines.

[chek]

It must be a great feeling, being a semi-literate sage.
Not a problem that Gandhi, amongst others, in recent times suffered from.

[Caz]

A few 'sages' here;

'the three men of peace',

Ikeda, Martin Luther King, Gandhi.

Ikeda: the Club of Rome

King: a little publicised background
http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html

Gandhi: not sure yet what he is doing in with this bunch

Unless what Gandhi represented has been corrupted:

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/15890/index.php

Certainly, two of these 'men of peace' are not quite what has been presented to the public.

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=140323


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[TonyGosling]

Caz

I think your 'perfectabilis' approach with King Ghandi etc. misses the point in a rather spectacular way.

These are all great men of peace and freedom who may have been compromised... yes.

The Order Of The Garter is no such organisation. Keeps British royalty on the dark side. Yes, even her nibs.

Occultic from it's foundation in the days when witchcraft was encircling the court.

Blair not allowed in cos he was a puppet not a mover!!

I'd like to see an exposee of this Order... and More on the Bullingdon Club from you.

[outsider]

Thanks, 'Life', but I'll stick with 'the guy in sandals'.

[insidejob]

There is a strand of racism within the 'truth movement' that culminates in this smear attempt on Martin Luther King. Note the title 'BEAST as Saint'. Yet we are supposed to believe he is a beast because he plagiarised some of his academic work. (This perpetuates the notion that blacks are intellectually inferior and you'd have thought that his university would have noticed.) Then we are told that he had links with Communists. Of course, the US patriot movement is full of racists but that's OK. Then, we are told, he had sex outside marriage. Big f****** deal.

King has been projected as saintly by the establishment but that because they preferred his non-nationalist approach compared to Malcolm X.

There are some absurd, pernicious, gobbledygook allegations against King, which was that the NWO order sponsored him to ‘create the illusion that white people have been racist toward black people’. They, of course, never explain the NWO strategy behind this – perhaps because there isn’t one. They fail to mention that NWO kingpin, Albert Pike, (probably) helped to maintain racism by creating the Klu Klux Klan. They also never investigate King's membership of the boule, a black Freemasonic fraternity controlled by the NWO to contain black protest. And, of course, they fail to mention that the NWO killed King. And they don’t because they’d have a hard time explaining why the NWO killed someone who was supposed to be a key agent.

If anyone comes up with something more substantial than supposedly cheating on his exams, working with people who professed opposition to exploitation and having sex, then give us a call, otherwise, why waste our time?

[TonyGosling]

Former Satanist shows everyday occultism - from the ever interesting Prophecy Club - this time it's an alleged former Satanist
Stephen Dollins, a former Satanic Priest turned Christian teacher

Link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3553879445882834497
Claims he can fill a box from any Christian's home with toys and objects linked to satanic symbols and worship
http://www.veoh.com/collection/amikkwe/watch/v15623620d22bZfKs

[TonyGosling]

Satanic sect leader gets prison term
Published 19 July, 2010, 14:32
The leader of a satanic sect that practiced orgies as part of the initiation of adepts has received a 20-month prison term.
Aleksandr Kazakov, 25, was found guilty of creating an organization that violated human and civil rights, and of indecent actions directed at a minor. His right-hand man, Denis Danshin, 23, received a year-and-half suspended term, reports Interfax news agency.
The two men organized the so-called “Noble Order of the Devil” or “Nobilis Ordo Diaboli.” Adepts, who were mostly high school or university students recruited via Internet, gathered in secrecy to perform death-themed rituals and indulge in promiscuity.
Prosecutors also accused Kazakov of rapes and beatings of dissident members, but failed to gather evidence.
http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-07-19/satanic-sect-leader-prison.html

[TonyGosling]

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