Tue30June - 9pm BBC2 - Conspiracy Files 7/7

[TonyGosling]

News thread is here
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17596

BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 documentary is likely to be shown before end of June 2009 the production assistant told me this afternoon.

How will this pan out?

Will they deal with the legality of the various show trials and lack (like Princess Diana) of inquests?

The lack of a public enquiry under the Coroner's Act governing suspicious deaths and inquests. The British state is subverting that law. Section 17a of the Coroner’s Act of 1988 requires a public enquiry to save distress to relatives and for economy of cost.
You know like in a train crash.

previous topic

BBC 7/7 Documentary delayed 'until mid 2009'
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=15601

[illeagalhunter]

Another white wash coming up

[TonyGosling]

Well, they said they'd give me the transmission date yesterday.
Still no call.
But I just spoke to them
Confirmed now as being transmitted on BBC2 at 9pm on Tuesday 30th June 2009

My impression is that they will take the various anomalies such as the warning, exercise and lack of CCTV and attempt to explain them away. We shall see.

[fish5133]

Roll up roll up place your bets

Peter Power mentioned?

Peter Power not mentioned?


BTW Gambling is a sin, bet you cant give it up.

[IanFantom]

So just as Nick's book launch on 7/7 ends at 9pm on Tuesday 30th June, the BBC will put out a documentary on the same topic.

See: http://www.terroronthetube.com/ , http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17469

[Muncher]

[TonyGosling]

As I understand it Peter Power is interviewed.
When the BBC shelved the documentary last October he posted this on Mike Rudin's blog.

[illeagalhunter]

They havnt made a fair program yet, Auntie wont rock the boat. Popular Mechanics on the TV coming up

[TonyGosling]

Everyone's idea of what is fair is different.
I just wanted them to show the context of 7/7... you know Gladio, N. Ireland and what's happening now in the Middle East.

[Chi_of_life]

I'm aware that Dr Kollerstrom comes in for a bashing in this BBC bottle job documentary. They first contacted me to appear on this.
Interestingly they've decided to screen it at exactly the same time as Dr Kollerstrom is delivering a talk on the tube bombings.

It will be interesting to hear the questions put to him afterwards.

Behind the viel of 7/7

[Chi_of_life]

[TonyGosling]

Here is my own checklist of sorts which might be used to score the BBC 7/7 Programme when it goes out. I suggest one 'point' (out of a maximum of 20) for a simple mention and an extra point for a reasonable presentation of the issue:

1. Context of Operation Gladio
2. Haroon Aswat named as 'mastermind' then discovered to be working for MI6?
3. Context of War on Terror, getting Britain to fight wars against Muslim countries.
4. 7/7 Public Enquiry should have happened almost immediately (Coroners Act) thus no heads have rolled and it may happen again
5. Government got train times wrong in narrative
6. Extraordinary coincidence of Peter Power and his 'drill'
7. Extraordinary coincidence of Peter Power and Panorama programme about bombs during big international conference
8. Warning issued to Israeli Embassy and denied by Brian Paddick
9. MI5 saying alleged bombers were 'clean skins' when they clearly were not
10. Verint Systems (Israeli CCTV firm) record of criminality
11. Lack of CCTV images placing alleged bombers on trains
12. Daniel Obachike testimony saying Hasib Hussein was not on the bus.

I realise that's not a comprehensive list and others please add if you wish but in my mind it spells out pretty well some of the most substantiated doubts I have with the official story.

[TonyGosling]

BBC now have a page on their website about the show

[numeral]

After previous CF shows it is pretty clear what the trajectory of this one will be.

Start off by posing a good question or two. (Not too many)
Do some safe investigative journalism. (No major surprises expected)
Cue 7/7 Rip-off effect shown in a mosque. (Show a few Muslims favouring that CT in a bad light)
Tony Gosling falls on the cutting room floor. (Lucky, lucky man)
Cue Dr K. (the horror, the horror)
Cue RN.
Cue Paddick.
End with statement of how insulting/disrespectful/hurtful to survivors and bereaved.
And, I almost forgot, how anti-semitic.

[ian neal]

[Shoestring]

The BBC's Conspiracy Files programme on the 7/7 London bombings is on BBC 2 at 9 p.m., Tuesday, June 30. It looks like it will be a hit piece. The program description on the Conspiracy Files website states: "The programme sees how conspiracy theories suggest four British Muslims were framed by the government, play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77. html
BBC - The Editors
The Conspiracy Files: 7/7

Mike Rudin | 08:53 AM, Wednesday, 24 June 2009

The bombings on 7 July 2005, which killed 56 people and injured 784, England's worst terrorist atrocity, are the subject of one of the most difficult programmes in the Conspiracy Files series. Difficult because it is still an understandably sensitive subject for survivors and relatives of victims.

But I also think it is important to investigate the conspiracy theories that continue to develop around 7 July attacks, because they play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message. The programme carefully and analytically works through the allegations and the evidence to separate fact from fiction.

There have been three official reports into the bombings. However, a host of internet films continue to scrutinise every word and every picture for signs of a hidden truth.

The programme, to be shown on BBC Two at 9pm on Tuesday 30 June shows that on one occasion one sceptic was right and spotted a significant error in the Home Office narrative. The government had to apologise for suggesting in a report, nearly a year after the attacks, that the four bombers had boarded a train which had actually been cancelled.

However, crucially the government insists the bombers were still able to get to London on time, because they caught an earlier train, which was delayed leaving Luton.

Internet videos question the official account, suggesting the British government has deceived people into thinking four suicide bombers carried out the attacks. Some go even further and allege the British government was involved.

The latest Conspiracy Files programme films one notorious conspiracy video being played at the Birmingham Central Mosque and sees first hand how conspiracy theories have found favour among some Muslims.

One opinion poll by Gfk NOP for Channel 4, two years after 7 July attacks, found that around a quarter of British Muslims questioned thought the government or MI5 were involved in the bombings.

Rachel North, who survived the bomb on the Piccadilly line, tells the programme that the conspiracy theories need to be countered for that very reason:

"If people in mosques think that the Government is so antagonistic towards them that they're actually willing to frame them for a monstrous crime they didn't commit what does that do to levels of trust? That is a problem for the government and for everybody in this country."

Brian Paddick, who was Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner at the time of 7 July 2005, argues it is important to counteract the conspiracy theories:

"Programmes like this may be very controversial but hopefully there will be people in the police service and in the security service and in government who will realize how important conspiracy theories are. And how important it is to try and prevent further atrocities that every attempt is made to try and counteract them."

Mike Rudin is series producer of The Conspiracy Files. The Conspiracy Files: 7/7 is on Tuesday 30 June at 9pm on BBC Two.

[Rachel]

[GodSaveTheTeam]

If they leave out material such as the Panorama show from '04, which predicts the same scenario as 7/7 "almost precisely" and Giuliani being in London on the very same day, that will be very suspect indeed.

Two staggering "coincidences" that the coincidence theorists like to brush aside.

The programme will no doubt be of a debunking nature.

[ian neal]

I most certainly do not have an obsession with linking conspiracies to people of Jewish faith. I suggest it is more an obsession of serial debunkers such as the BBC conspiracy files (see the first 9/11 programme), David Arronovitch and Nick Cohen.

Their track record is there for all to see. I suggest the reason they constantly seek to associate all 'conspiracy theorists' with the very small minority of 'conspiracy theorists' who are racist or anti-semitic/anti-jewish is because they know full well that (1) this is a particularly effective way of turning the public away from looking at the evidence and (2) they prefer stereotypes and ad-hominems rather than have to debate the evidence.

May be you forget or didn't see the particular attacks on you that I refer? I have no idea if your husband is jewish or not and I certainly don't care or see it has any relevance. But there were posts made here that suggested that he is and which suggested that this may be of some significance. I made sure the posts were deleted and the posters banned.

[ian neal]

This post from J7 on the BBC blog

All power to them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77. html#P82059290

Mike, as you know J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign declined to participate in the 7/7 episode of the risible Conspiracy Files series:

J7 refuse BBC Conspiracy Files Offer

Conspiracy and Conspiracy Theories lie at the heart of the State's legal system as evidenced in the recent trail of Ali, Shakil & Saleem, during which the judge in his summing up stated:

".. the men claim in their defence they are victims of a 'conspiracy theory without foundation."

and during which Andrew Hall QC for Saleem said:

"...a conspiracy theory that the prosecution have been prepared to pursue to the bitter end."

What we all need is the truth about the events in London on 7th July 2005, not an Official Conspiracy Theory or 'narrative', nor do we need 'alternative narratives'.

Despite all the attempts that will be made to cast anyone and everyone who 'dares' to challenge the Official CT or demands the evidence that backs up these claims as a 'dangerous paranoid fruit-loop' we at J7 will hold steadfast to the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' and the people's inalienable right to question the State's version of events, no matter how unpalatable that may be to the BBC and its paymasters.

DI Neil Smith, Counter Terrorism Command at Scotland Yard wrote to J7:

"In due time I hope we will be in a position where all the public, and especially the families of those killed or injured, are fully appraised of what happened on the 7th July 2005.

Whilst we have not communicated for some time, I express the thanks of the CT Command for drawing attention to some issues in the official account that required clarification. Whilst is might not always be apparent from our replies, your scrutiny is seen as helpful rather than inconvenient."

J7 are equally concerned about highly divisive messages that spread mistrust amongst all communities not just Muslims, the recent (wrongful) arrest of 12 young students sends a far more damaging message than any CT can, or the use by far-right groups of anti-Muslim propaganda based on the events of 7th July 2005 or the use of blackmail and intimidation by the Security Services.

When we refused your offer to participate we wrote:

"The July 7th Truth Campaign would be more than happy to participate in any serious programme that honestly examines 7/7 in its correct historical and political context, the government narrative, the lack of evidence to support it, the nonsensical amendments that have been made to the narrative, and the ever increasing list of unanswered questions that engulf the events of 7/7.

However, we do not feel that the Conspiracy Files is the vehicle that will facilitate this, nor will it treat the event or issues arising from it with the level of seriousness that they demand, and nor will it further the cause of the July 7th Truth Campaigns quest for the truth about what happened on 7th July 2005. As such, the July 7th Truth Campaign has no intention of participating in the proposed episode of the Conspiracy Files and can only hope you will take on board the points we have raised in this communication in consideration of your public service duty to the people of Britain, a people that includes at least 56 families whom, through your continued refusal to honestly address the events of 7/7, you have hitherto failed abysmally."

We suspect that after viewing your offering on Tuesday, failing abysmally will be all too apparent.

[ian neal]

And this from our favourite security consultant

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77. html#P82080565

Several months ago I supported the BBC team making the subsequently postponed 7/7 Conspiracy Files programme (now to be broadcast 0n 30 June) as I had the temerity to say on UK TV on 7 July 2005 that my company had that day also run an exercise involving simultaneous bombs on the London underground. A few days before so had more than one major London based origination and before that a BBC Panorama programme had done the same thing. The point being that the underground system in London has since 1885, been one of the most attacked structures in the UK apart from Belfast.

It follows that a company like ours that helps many organisations prepare for crises (a) always seeks to run one or more client based exercises and (b) will choose a scenario based on a realistic threat analysis. My comment on TV four years ago was intended to encourage others to do the same and at a time when the terrorist threat level remains very high to test their response in advance.

A message on this site dated 24 June mistakenly says that both 9/11 & 7/7 the respective governments were engaged in training simulations. The inaccurate assumption being our exercise that day was part of government training.

Regrettably there are many people who will always put conspiracy above coincidence and we still get menacing or otherwise nuisance emails and telephone calls every day.

Having already made available to the BBC our unexpurgated exercise material used in 2005 I look forward to this programme on 30 June and hope it will debunk some of the rather bizarre stories. However, I would still rather live in an open society where people can challenge official statements, but they in turn must be prepared to reconsider their assumptions if a cogent case is made to separate fact from fiction. I hope this will be the case next week.

Peter Power

[Prole]

Ian your insightful posts here are always a pleasure to read, and I think you've pretty much outlined what we can expect from the BBC's 7/7 CF 'debunking' effort.

We at J7 have posted this in anticipation of a 'hatchet-job':

BBC2 Conspiracy Files and the Official Conspiracy Theory

[illeagalhunter]

Peter Power is going to tell who he was running the drills for ?

[numeral]

[Prole]

[TonyGosling]

To make it clear... I support J7's decision not to appear in this programme.
Mike Rudin's office at White City have produced some disgusting propaganda and betrayed the trust of 9/11 Truth campaigners and the public.

I see my role here as at least giving Mike Rudin a last chance to redeem himself.

[Prole]

[IanFantom]

Shall we just wait and see what the documentary does and doesn't say, rather than creating conspiracy theories about it? Discussion in this thread is getting ridiculous. It's clear that there have been attempts to disrupt the book launch. Raking up side issues and second-guessing what the BBC is going to say hasn't been helpful.

Let's put our efforts into telling folk about the events, and in encouraging a good turnout for Nick's book launch and a good critical look at whatever Mike Rudin's group in the BBC comes up with.

[astro3]

I'm sure Ian Neil's anticipations of this program will be spot on. I kept gullibly believing Tristran Quinn, who insisted it was his program and there was no-one over him who could re-structure it. He spent days filming me at Leeds, Luton and Kingston, and for the latter especially he or Susan Pritchard who was initially with him would phone me up and summon me down to Kingston again and would then get comments from me about the trial. Something like six days altogether, I travelled down to Kingston. Ian Neil had warned me about participating in the program, about how I would just be 'used' and in retrospect he was absolutely right.

I am then phoned up by Mike Rudin's secretary a couple of weeks ago to say they are just finalising the program and by the way Tristan quinn is on holiday and there is no point me trying to contact him.

Turns out all of the film that he and I did at Luton, Leeds and Kingston has been cut. I'll refrain from further comment. Suffice to say that the Mistres of Untruth Rachel North does get the final word in slagging me off - one more time.
Its impossibe for me to regret this whole experience, because the chapter in my book about the 7/7 Kingston trial came out from it. You'll have to be the judge as to whether that makes it worthwhile.

[astro3]

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