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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:49 am    Post subject: Birmingham Mosque discusses BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 Reply with quote

Birmingham discusses (1/3) BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 London Bombings programme
http://blip.tv/file/2328293/

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part 2 http://blip.tv/file/2328929
part 3 http://blip.tv/file/2329099

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonderful hearing a chap with a PPE degree from Oxford (Politics, Philosophy and Economics), holding forth about Euro- false flag terror, in fact giving the essential historical background. Well done Martin, a classic presentation!
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This presentation and discussion is now available as one complete 1hr:09m file.
http://blip.tv/file/2333267

Can anybody suggest a video upload site where you can also download the film to your harddrive?

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On the 7th of July 2005 London was hit by a series of explosions. You probably think you know what happened that day. But you don’t.

The police have, from the onset of their investigation, chosen to withold from the public almost every bit of evidence they claim to have and have provably lied about several aspects of the London Bombings. The mainstream news has wilfully spread false, unsubstantiated and unverifiable information, while choosing to completely ignore the numerous inconsistencies and discrepancies in the official story. The government has finally, after a year, presented us with their official ‘narrative’ concerning the event. Within hours it was shown to contain numerous errors, a fact since admitted by the Home Secretary John Reid. They have continuously rejected calls for a full, independent public inquiry. Tony Blair himself described such an inquiry as a ‘ludicrous diversion’. What don’t they want us to find out?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14282
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Alexander Hitchens, a researcher at the Centre for Social Cohesion think-tank, says they are very concerned.

“Dr Naseem is an influential man in Birmingham’s Muslim community,” he said. “It is very dangerous for him to be spreading this kind of extremist poison.


http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2009/07/05/demand-for- public-inquiry-over-july-7th-bombings-66331-24075847/

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Can anybody suggest a video upload site where you can also download the film to your harddrive?


No need, if you use VLC media player - it can download (and stream!) from most http decodes. Open source too (works best and most comprehensively under Linux)

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

A better idea for those who don't want to mess about with scripts and whatnot is to always make an .AVI file of your upload and put it on a Torrent site - bypasses all the nonsense of Adobe-driven 'protectionism'.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meat of www.reinvestigate911.org chap Martin Summers' talk is now on YouTube.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can anybody suggest a video upload site where you can also download the film to your harddrive?


Tony, try:
http://rapidshare.com/
or
http://www.zshare.net/
or
http://www.yousendit.com/

They all inflict the usual "free registration" pain for you as the uploader, and free downloaders usually have a time delay to wait through before the download will start.
But they're free and simple to use for sharing large files.

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Can anybody suggest a video upload site where you can also download the film to your harddrive?


I have repeatedly asked for a sticky at the top of the multimedia section relating to assistace in all aspects of video downloading/uploading and presentation under its own topic.

Perhaps reasons can be suplied why this is not worthy of consideration.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er - you start it Pugwash and you're only making things worse by adding to the tangent.

Anyway - back on topic there is a MASSIVE discussion going on on this topic on Indymedia

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Mossad have form in this regard - re: 1988 Mossad plot to bomb Britain

12.07.2009 09:49
1988 Mossad plot to bomb Britain
Ref: http://london-bombs.blogspot.com/2006/01/1988-mossad-plot-to-bomb-brit ain.html
see also: http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/09/12272.html

In 1988, 28 year old Ismael Sowan, a research assistant at Humberside College of Higher Education, was discovered by British police to be in possession of a large quantity of arms and explosives.

Sowan was working for Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency.

Mossad's plan was that Sowan would let off bombs in Britain that would leave sufficient forensic clues to suggest that they were the work of Moslem countries and thus damage Anglo-Arab relations.

Sowan had been run by a five man Mossad team operating in Britain under the cover of a private company with the tacit approval of the Foreign Office and MI5.

After the discoveries by the police the Foreign Office felt it had to ask the Mossad team to leave the country.

Sources: The Intelligence Game: The Illusions and Delusions ...
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a whisper in Andy Hayman's ear

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/07/433978.html?c=on#comments


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El Boro protests too much! (has no answers, only insults)

11.07.2009 13:16
El Boro, you have not debunked the main points I have raised here. Instead, you distract with sloppy innuendo and insult. Did i call you a "Spook". No, I didn't. Just maybe, for the others reading these pages, they realise as do i I really don't have to. Rational argument kind of speaks for itself.

You said: "you need consider changing your hypothesis in light of the data".

What data is that, El Boro? The point is, there was NO INFORMATION about the so-called "homemade explosives"; a £100 million investigation concluded with a mere speculation of this whilst admitting that the search for a categorical answer was unresolved - an incredible shortcoming within a major investigation. “Expert examination continues but it appears the bombs were homemade".

One wonders what Andy Hayman had to say about this before his book was taken off the shelves.


Plainly, you have only obfuscation to offer to divert attention from the fact that you clearly have no answer to the following:

- The explosions on the 3 trains and the No.30 bus were highly explosive, and so, not consistent with the explanation that the explosives were made with homemade substances, as corroborated by witnesses.

- That there are a ludicrous number of conflicting reports pertaining to the type of explosives used on 7/7. After the police searched 18 Alexander Grove it was widely reported they had found TATP. Police discovered explosives in a hire car and also in a house in Leeds where they reportedly found quantities of TATP. Shortly after this we were told that police had found traces of TATP at the bomb sites from the 7/7 attacks and also at the house raided in Leeds. (janes)
YET:
Eyewitness descriptions and injuries appear to contradict the TATP explosives theory. Triacetone triperoxide blows up without flames. (see new scientist article: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6925 ).


- That a number of the survivors who were in the carriages close to where the bombs went off have actually stated that they don't recall any men fitting the alleged bomber's descriptions being where they should have been

- That there is still no footage that has been released that shows any of the 4 accused approaching the underground platforms, on the underground platforms or boarding the trains or the number 91 or 30 bus.

- That several eye witnesses give the account that the bombs which detonated at Edgware Road and Aldgate East were underneath the train?

Finally, you have not convincily discredited the report about the link between the terrorist attack in Israel, April 2003 and 7/7, made in the article in Bild am Sonntag which reported that Mossad officials informed British security officials that the explosive material used in the Tel Aviv attack on Mike's Place pub was apparently also utilized to stage the bombings in London on 7/7, with the use of an explosive said to be manufactured in China ( http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Security/5997.htm ). Mossad Chief Meir Dagan is reported to have said that the explosive in question is very powerful, and "much more lethal than plastic explosives and can be smuggled undetected due to its composition." Special attention should be given in this regard to Azhari Husin, an Al-Qaeda bomb making expert who travelled in and out of England shortly before the 7/7 bombings. Ref: http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=alate0905husinlondon#al ate0905husinlondon

Rather similar to how Orvelle discredited the testimony of Miss Marie Oates-Whitehead who claimed there was a 2nd explosion of the No.30 bus, because of the question of the reliability of whatever she has said because of her own deception about her professional career. However, whatever stain on her professional career does not take away from the veracity of the allegation she made, that there were 2 explosions of the No.30 bus? The answer, I'm afraid to say to you Orville, is no.

The quote from that Telegraph article is really not convincing, and reeks of a clumsy attempt at character assassination The quote: "Scotland Yard and the local coroner were alerted but it now appears that she suffered a blood clot, possibly induced by her stressful double life." ...how woeful an explanation. One increasingly smells a rat...in this and your continual attempts on this comment thread to place down firebreaks amongst a constellation of fabrication and inconsistency for whioch you consistently have no convincing explanations.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/07/433978.html?c=on#comments

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen the Martin Summers video twice now,and have a couple of questions on this presentation:

*Why is Belinda and the other guy (glasses on head?) in the back of the room (bar one earlier scene?)

*Why does Martin say "I don't know maybe they did do it" re 7/7 the 4 alleged bombers?

*Why does Martin appeal to the muslims not use violence ,as if
they were really capable of such bombing,scheming or much else?

*And finally,why does Martin state "we really need world government to sort this all out"?

I think these are fair questions that many people aware of the bigger picture will be asking themselves.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay it's here
http://www.zshare.net/video/625990530ec4ceba/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still no email notification,regardless, I think those were pretty good questions of Martins presentation,and worthy of reply.

Is there a direct email address to Martin where he could reply directly to *those* specific questions?

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Is this site coming up as blocking ads and therefore not able to download
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I don't want to rain on anyones parade but all these so-called free download sites are only a few bits short of honeypots. Take the torrent route and have done with it. If there is any future at all for free speech on the Web (as opposed to the Net backbone structure, ie: Usenet) it is P2P.

http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-create-a-torrent/

Re Indymedia 7/7 thread. Have you noticed that however popular an article is on Indymedia, it slides out sight? There is no user option to maintain a list of active threads, although the code allows for this feature. So, once buried, always buried.

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Hardly buried since someone is finding it!
but I know what you mean - how does one find massively commented pieces such as the following now infamous one?
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/10/326337.html?c=on#comments

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http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/10/326337.html?c=on#comments


Short answer? You don't, unless armed with accurate keywords and a decent search engine like ixquick aka startpage.

You certainly put some effort into that one, Tony, but that's us anarchists for you - fickle as the breeze and very little syndicalism in sight ;-)

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Hey, you can actually download it (wmv/flv) from blip.tv - just look for the Download button or the Files and Links option.

TonyGosling wrote:
This presentation and discussion is now available as one complete 1hr:09m file.
http://blip.tv/file/2333267

Can anybody suggest a video upload site where you can also download the film to your harddrive?

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Infowars have an interesting take

BBC 7/7 “Documentary”: Just a hitpiece, or something more sinister?
Debunking The Debunkers
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-77-documentary-just-a-hitpiece-or-some thing-more-sinister.html
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Towards the end of the program, the BBC mentioned that Tony Gosling was planning on working closer with the muslim community. They even mentioned an event that is going to take place on the 4th anniversary of the attacks at the Birmingham Central Mosque. It seems strange that the BBC would mention this. Was this program just a typical hitpiece? Or was it some kind of preconditioning/predictive programming to associate 9/11 and 7/7 researchers with islamic extremism in preparation for a false flag attack that will be used to defame us further?

After the establishment’s lame attempts to link Von Brunn and 9/11 Truth, it honestly wouldn’t suprise me. This is after all the same corporation that put out a propaganda piece in 2004 called “London Under Attack” which discussed the response to a simulated terrorist attack on three tube trains – effectively predicting 7/7 with Lone Gunmen like precision. Interesting how they made no mention of that in their hitpiece.

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Countermove today from the dark side
Police arrest 31 at demonstration against Islamic fundamentalism
.........Police believe the anti-fundamentalist rally was organised by groups calling themselves the English and Welsh Defence League and Casuals United, which is said to have emerged after British soldiers were abused by Islamic radicals at a homecoming parade in Luton.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205263/Police-arrest-31-demon stration-Islamic-fundamentalism.html

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