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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:24 am Post subject:
The credibility of the officially released video has already been proven to be a result of image manipulation on another thread. The following link demonstrates this far better..
With all due respect, Pugwash, the video at the top of the thread, using apparently real clear video of Germaine Lindsay on his own entering the station provides conclusive proof that the still CCTV image was faked, in a way that image analysis alone does not.
Edit: Wait a minute where has Muncher got that shot of him apparently leaving the station at a time-stamped 7.15.20 - this is uncredited Muncher - where does it come from?
At the same time the footage in the Sky News clip appears to have had its time-stamp deliberately blurred so you don't know how it compares timewise to either the original official image, or Muncher's uncredited image
Mysteriouser and mysteriouser _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject:
Thank for the link Numeral.
Having watched the new video releases, I am in agreement with Muncher regard the 'Shocking new evidence' video.
I also withdraw my previous comment regarding my link demonstrating 'proof' of deliberate falsification.
While maintaining that image manipulation has certainly taken place (which implies either an imbecilic act by security forces in invalidating true images or that the originals are still to be released), I believe the analysis in the above link has been based on an image that has been further distorted from the original release.
The only additional point is, why has the guy at the service station on the MI deemed fit to change his trousers by the time he arrives at Luton Station??
Apart from long downloads my question still hasn't been answered
I chose the shorter link. Will the longer download give me the Germaine leaving the station image?
This thread is important in terms of proof
If you measure up the Gemaine image arriving alone at Luton and the single shot of him leaving the station, what do you have?
Nothing, unless the latter image is verified
There's been nothing here either in this thread or in the links to do that yet
Muncher's image is not verified unless in the longer download
Can anyone pinpoint this?
Muncher clearly states
Lindsay leaves Luton Station to meet the other three in the car park where they put on the rucksacks and then together they enter Luton station. which would give verification to the original 7.20 original photoshopped shot
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I've viewed the long video once and the conclusion I've drawn is there's some weird trickery going on in these clips
Germaine appears to enter the station twice and leave only once
Except for the time of his leaving and some scenes in the car park the date/time stamp is consistently obscured
Even where the date/time stamp is evident in the car park scene, it's completely inconsistent with the stamp on the original fake CCTV, showing they were still in the car park at the time of this latter
If the Micras presumably in the mid upper of the frame, it seemed to remain for an inordinately long while with its boot open to public view what with the nail bombs and all
We are prevented from seeing via obscuration at what time the guys are actually have supposed to have boarded a train
I'm sure this is being well studied and will prove a crock _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
I've viewed the long video once and the conclusion I've drawn is there's some weird trickery going on in these clips
Germaine appears to enter the station twice and leave only once
Except for the time of his leaving and some scenes in the car park the date/time stamp is consistently obscured
Even where the date/time stamp is evident in the car park scene, it's completely inconsistent with the stamp on the original fake CCTV, showing they were still in the car park at the time of this latter
If the Micras presumably in the mid upper of the frame, it seemed to remain for an inordinately long while with its boot open to public view what with the nail bombs and all
The videos are proof of nothing and if they were shown like so, in court, without time-stamps, the judge should never have admitted them as evidence.
Do you know in whose car (or rented car) the nail bombs were reportedly found please? I have read contradicting versions in the MSM saying it was in Lindsay's, then Tanweer's.
Is it known how many cars exactly the police searched, and which car (or cars) had controlled explosions carried out on them?
paul wright wrote:
We are prevented from seeing via obscuration at what time the guys are actually have supposed to have boarded a train
I'm sure this is being well studied and will prove a crock
Who are (or were, in July 2005) the CCTV operators at Luton please?
I also forgot to mention, that nowhere is an attempt to replicate the fake still of the 4 blokes entering the station, with video _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Is there a good reason why the time has been pixelated in that sequence? I see the white cap 'bomber' still has that lower rail behind him somehow in front of him and they STILL would have needed 'the tardis' to have gotten on those tube carriages commensurate with the official timeline.
Yeah ah, ok, I didn't somehow see this before
These shots need a most close examination
There's a long time existing and we need clear shots not emphasisasion And not blurred date/time material
There's nothing very convincing other than fully clear clips
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Last edited by paul wright on Fri May 08, 2009 12:44 am; edited 1 time in total
eg why is the first released still of the 'bombers' so shoddy and these 4 years later material more sophisticated
Improved technology and extra work to prove it in the face of constant criticism of the official fairy tale?
All Munchers stills hide the time, noticeably _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: (CC)tv fakery
Two issues need to be addressed with all of the video footage.
1> Time stamp - not able to be resolved. It's easy to impose digits on to a vid.
2> Pixellation of the images. - WTF?? Unquestionably, to achieve verification of the vidoes of the alleged perps, the public people passing by simply must be allowed to be seen. In this way, the imagery can be corroborated by the passers by. Otherwise, it simply does NOT suffice in this day and age to try to pass off unverifiable digital imagery as the real thing, and most certainly such nefarious imagery should never see the light of day in a courtroom.
The impoverished quality of 'evidence' being offered continues to bear the hallmarks of a 'smoke and mirrors' campaign. I begin to seriously doubt the possibility of a mass UK wake-up regarding the 7/7 atrocity. Sad.
On May 1st Sky News 11am, some further CCTV pictures were released, supposedly from Luton Station Thameslink.
On May 2nd, Mark Conlon (MC) put out a Youtube video about Germaine Lindsey (GL) going into the Luton station 6-7 am on 7/7 (top of this thread – tho the video has now gone).
Then on 3rd of March the ‘impossible’ pic of GL emerging from Luton station at 7.15 was released anonymously: it must have come from the Met - no-one else puts that ‘blurred’ effect around the key characters, blurring everything else out, do they?
What nonsense. I posted it. It's right up there, the second post in this thread. I took it from the the exact same video that numeral posted a link to. So why didn't you bother to watch the video?
astro3 wrote:
This picture can only be a fake, because it contradicts everything else – as one of MC’s videos points out, CCTV sequence released last year supposedly shows Luton car-park images for the Four at 07.13. GL is supposed to have gone into the station much earlier, by himself, and emerged before 7 am. He can’t emerge at 7.15! The Official Report has the 4 entering Luton station by that same door, at 7.15, while the well-known pic. of the 4 has them entering at 07.21.
So far there has been no information from the Met Police for the accuracy of the time stamp on the CCTV images. Until such a time as the information is made available the reliability of the time stamps cannot be known.
astro3 wrote:
(MC reckons it was put out, in response to his video…)
Oh dear!
astro3 wrote:
MC's video www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCDyW83TBqs is still up, and it gives a good analysis of the 7 pictures that were released on the 1st of May, Sky News - showing evidence of fakery. That is quite sound, isn't it? He points out that the railings in the background don't match up, they don't join together properly which is kinda cute. But if its faked they have bothered to put the black glass reflections in ... (the black glass behind the railings is actually a lift going into the station, and it reflects the 4 characters as they pass by)
The very same 7 images I posted here! Which weren't released "this week" but were released during the last year's 7/7 helpers trial.
If you would understand the vertical resolution of the CCTV system you might just gain an insight into why the railings look the way they do.
astro3 wrote:
Paul Wright asked the question, where did Muncher get that new 07.15 image from? It was not part of the Sky News release. Numeral responded (May 4th) with an irrelevant comment: ‘Try http://files.100777.com/77/’ - these (with respect) are the Met’s pics released last August, and as such cannot include this brand-new ‘paradox’ picture. Paul Wright again asks and Numeral reaffirms: ‘Its in the long download’ – I’m not convinced Numeral, unless you can be more specific.
So you chose not to watch the video and remain ignorant!
There was no anonymous posting. You are manufacturing misinformation.
astro3 wrote:
Confused? You will be! That's the whole idea...
The only confusion that exists has been created by yourself and others in your and their eagerness to find fault without doing proper dilligent research.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: The Video!!
The Video that was made in question (May 2009), did not take anything out of context!! It was presented from SKY NEWSs' own words!! They put Germaine Lindsay without the other bombers at Luton Station, All the video presented, is how they reported it. When Logo's are obscuring time clocks on CCTV images, (NOT VIDEO), it looked very bad, and is enough to caused conspiracy questions to be asked. No one set out to make a video(YouTube Video), with false information. That video (youtube Video) has been taken down.. However, there are still questions about those Luton Station CCTV images (NOT VIDEO) to be answered. Here's a link to two new videos, which raise concern, to how real the Luton Station CCTV images (NOT VIDEO) are.... YOU DECIDE. Watch Both as there is some good parts in both!!
7/7 London Bombings - CCTV Anomalies Analysis 1-Link Below.
Is there a good reason why the time has been pixelated in that sequence? I see the white cap 'bomber' still has that lower rail behind him somehow in front of him and they STILL would have needed 'the tardis' to have gotten on those tube carriages commensurate with the official timeline.
I see you are still the victim of an optical illusion caused by your misperception. What many have assumed was the left side of the bomber's torso (that's his left) was really the edge of the building behind him. His left arm is not hanging down but bent across his chest, as is easily verified when a good copy of the image is magnified in a photo-editing program. This means that the rail is not in front of his supposed arm but behind it, as it should be.
Nor is there any problem of time. The bombers had about three minutes to get onto the 7.24 train that left a minute late. They could have just done this if they had ran.
Is there a good reason why the time has been pixelated in that sequence? I see the white cap 'bomber' still has that lower rail behind him somehow in front of him and they STILL would have needed 'the tardis' to have gotten on those tube carriages commensurate with the official timeline.
I see you are still the victim of an optical illusion caused by your misperception. What many have assumed was the left side of the bomber's torso (that's his left) was really the edge of the building behind him. His left arm is not hanging down but bent across his chest, as is easily verified when a good copy of the image is magnified in a photo-editing program. This means that the rail is not in front of his supposed arm but behind it, as it should be.
Nor is there any problem of time. The bombers had about three minutes to get onto the 7.24 train that left a minute late. They could have just done this if they had ran.
You ARE being ironic ? (love the endearing superior tone btw) I don't claim to be an authority on 7/7 but i'd always understood it the official timeline 7.40 am train to Kings Cross was cancelled, subsequent trains were delayed and the next train went to Kings cross thameslink causing further delay to the alleged 'suicide bombers'. I also understand that homemade explosives are very volatile and its not recomended you run carrying them,can anyone help here?
Is there a good reason why the time has been pixelated in that sequence? I see the white cap 'bomber' still has that lower rail behind him somehow in front of him and they STILL would have needed 'the tardis' to have gotten on those tube carriages commensurate with the official timeline.
I see you are still the victim of an optical illusion caused by your misperception. What many have assumed was the left side of the bomber's torso (that's his left) was really the edge of the building behind him. His left arm is not hanging down but bent across his chest, as is easily verified when a good copy of the image is magnified in a photo-editing program. This means that the rail is not in front of his supposed arm but behind it, as it should be.
Nor is there any problem of time. The bombers had about three minutes to get onto the 7.24 train that left a minute late. They could have just done this if they had ran.
You ARE being ironic ?
No. Rather weak piece of sarcasm, don't you think?
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
(love the endearing superior tone btw)
Evidently, you don't like being confronted by superior arguments and so have to make ad hominems as a poor response.
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
I don't claim to be an authority on 7/7 but i'd always understood it the official timeline 7.40 am train to Kings Cross was cancelled, subsequent trains were delayed and the next train went to Kings cross thameslink causing further delay to the alleged 'suicide bombers'.
Nope. That used to be the case, but the original argument was weakened by the contentious claim that the bombers could not get to the earlier train in time. You swallowed the claim without checking it. I did check it. And it WAS possible.
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
I also understand that homemade explosives are very volatile and its not recomended you run carrying them,can anyone help here?
If you are arguing that the bombers were patsies, this argument hardly applies, does, it, because they would not have been carrying real explosives and would not have been inhibited into not dashing for the train?
Is there a good reason why the time has been pixelated in that sequence? I see the white cap 'bomber' still has that lower rail behind him somehow in front of him and they STILL would have needed 'the tardis' to have gotten on those tube carriages commensurate with the official timeline.
I see you are still the victim of an optical illusion caused by your misperception. What many have assumed was the left side of the bomber's torso (that's his left) was really the edge of the building behind him. His left arm is not hanging down but bent across his chest, as is easily verified when a good copy of the image is magnified in a photo-editing program. This means that the rail is not in front of his supposed arm but behind it, as it should be.
Nor is there any problem of time. The bombers had about three minutes to get onto the 7.24 train that left a minute late. They could have just done this if they had ran.
You ARE being ironic ?
No. Rather weak piece of sarcasm, don't you think?
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
(love the endearing superior tone btw)
Evidently, you don't like being confronted by superior arguments and so have to make ad hominems as a poor response.
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
I don't claim to be an authority on 7/7 but i'd always understood it the official timeline 7.40 am train to Kings Cross was cancelled, subsequent trains were delayed and the next train went to Kings cross thameslink causing further delay to the alleged 'suicide bombers'.
Nope. That used to be the case, but the original argument was weakened by the contentious claim that the bombers could not get to the earlier train in time. You swallowed the claim without checking it. I did check it. And it WAS possible.
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
I also understand that homemade explosives are very volatile and its not recomended you run carrying them,can anyone help here?
If you are arguing that the bombers were patsies, this argument hardly applies, does, it, because they would not have been carrying real explosives and would not have been inhibited into not dashing for the train?
EXPLETIVE! I'm out of my depth here, touche! (waits for lesson in how naive I woz thinking it too much a coincidence the plod have multiple TFL CCTV of the 'trial run' 2 weeks before but none to show us of the day and the 'bombers' targetting exact time and place of the terror exercises☻).
The previously released image of the 4 entering Luton that we are all familiar with is NOT in the above set of images. At least not in unaltered form. The image above doesn't have the railing infront of the guys face and I can't see the other anomalies either.
Maybe the photoshopped image was produced to create a debate in that area, in order to later discredit by release of other images? Afterall, the flaws are a bit too blatant to be unintentional? _________________ www.wytruth.org.uk
The previously released image of the 4 entering Luton that we are all familiar with is NOT in the above set of images. At least not in unaltered form. The image above doesn't have the railing infront of the guys face and I can't see the other anomalies either.
Maybe the photoshopped image was produced to create a debate in that area, in order to later discredit by release of other images? Afterall, the flaws are a bit too blatant to be unintentional?
What flaws? They exist only in your misperception of this image. Magnify it in Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop, adjust the colour to
Red: 44%
Green: 48%
Blue: 24%
and you notice that the lowest rail passes in front of the dark edge of the building behind the bomber (which you have all mistaken for the edge of his torso or left arm) and disappears behind the backpack of the bomber in front of him. The lower half of his torso is hidden completely by this backpack and the upper half of the other bomber. There is NO anomaly here.
The original raison d'etre for manipulating this image was that 7/7 truthers thought the four bombers never entered Luton Station on 7/7 because they were patsies. The other video frames indicate that they did. There is therefore no motive for Photoshopping this image and the only reason why you all still think it was is that you have been misperceived it.
The railings do NOT line through correctly!! They haven't corrected there mistake either on other images!! ... There's many anomalies with all the CCTV pictures released.... The 7/7 kings cross have the time clock missing for one, which is very much in view on the dummy run CCTV pictures!! They haven NOT released any video from LUTON STATION as yet.... ONLY STILLS.. If they have nothing to hide, why not just kill off any conspiracy theories about CCTV pictures being faked, by releasing, the videos complete, Not a still image here and there....its very simple really! I await for this to happen...Then, it might just put to rest any conspiracies about the CCTV Footage!!
Forgive me for being thick or having missed something important, but I thought that the cancellation of the train from Luton, meant that the alleged bombers could not have reached London in time to do the things we are told they did.
If that is the case (happy to be put right if it is not) then what is the point of discussing this further? _________________ In the end, it's not the words of your enemies you will remember, but the silence of your friends. Martin Luther King
Forgive me for being thick or having missed something important, but I thought that the cancellation of the train from Luton, meant that the alleged bombers could not have reached London in time to do the things we are told they did.
If that is the case (happy to be put right if it is not) then what is the point of discussing this further?
Er, because they just managed to catch the 7.24 am train, which left a minute late.
That's why there is no point in even questioning whether the photo(s) are genuine or not.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: 7/7 - 7.24am train..
Even if they got the 7.24am train, they still could not have arrived on time, because of the delays that morning, on that line. which is why trains were canceled... So they couldn't have made it to kings cross in time!! Which means they were NOT on the trains that were blown up. Bridget Duune covers the trian delays from Luton Station rather well...
Here's a link below of an interview with Bridget, which covers thetrain delays!!
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