David Shayler - Manchurian Candidate?

scienceplease · Validated Poster Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 288

How? Pyschotropic drugs?

dewstru · Suspended Joined: 14 Sep 2008 Posts: 61

The point of my thread was to expose the BBC as 'FOX2' parading mental instability asentertainment. Now you've arbritrarily merged it with this Shayler thread, did the beeb complain?

TonyGosling · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject:

kbo234 · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject:

Who knows what is going on with David.

I've just finished reading "Mass Control, Engineering Human Consciousness" by Jim Keith about efforts of the CIA and British Intelligence to create a Manchurian Candidate, MKUltra, control people using modulated microwave radiation etc....

It appears that microwaves beamed at particular frequencies can cause violent anger, irritation, ecstatic harmonious feelings and the like......

....also that techniques have been developed (by experimentation on prisoners captive in US jails) that create the sensation of 'hearing voices' in the subject under attack......

........also, alarmingly, that the microwaves can stimulate the auditory nerves under such a degree of control that the waves can dictate what the 'voices' are saying....

....I just throw this information in as nothing should be considered impossible here.....

Also, as a footnote, Jim Keith died in unusual circumstances just after his book was published in 1999.

IanFantom · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject:

Here's the link to "Mass Control, Engineering Human Consciousness" by Jim Keith: http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Control-Engineering-Human-Consciousness/dp/ 1931882215

It may, though, not have to be anything so sophisticated. My first thought when I heard that he had declared himself to be the Messiah was that possibly he had been encouraged to take drugs by someone.

Then later I thought that possibly he was purposefully discrediting himself for self-protection. I had a telephone conversation with him shortly before he became the Messiah, and he was expressing concern for his own life, following reported meddling with his car brakes. He said that the 9/11 truth movement no longer needed him, and that the message was already out. Even a schoolchild he had met had said that 9/11 was an inside job. If that is the explanation, he's clearly gone overboard on it.

So then I started to think again in terms of the first hypothesis.

I've never known what to make of MKULTRA and reported mind control techniques. I thought at one stage that it could be just disinfo. It needs some specialist expertise to shed light on the subject, I think. Unfortunately, Jim Keith is no longer with us, but it does look, at first sight, as if he had some serious info on this.

I had a discussion with David Shayler about six months before he became the Messiah. During this discussion, I described several series of clicks which my CD recorder had picked up as I took a covert sound recording of a meeting. The purpose of taking the recording was to be able to prove distortion of minutes. I was later able to do that, and so it was clear that someone had something to hide.

I asked David Shayler whether he thought the clicks could be caused by a detection device. He said it could possibly be mind control equipment. He didn't argue the point strongly, but I think it does mean that he was aware of the issue. I couldn't see how mind control equipment at such a frequency could be targeted. But I haven't yet read up on this.

I still think that in this particular case it would have been detection equipment. In the interval I had changed minidiscs, and about half an hour into the second half, one committee member suddenly erupted, shouting and swearing at me. I got the impression that it was very deliberate rather than through anger. I also got the impression that he was the ring leader of the whole operation. At the end of the meeting my bag had been interchanged with my neighbour's, and when I got home I found the disc was blank and the microphone and earpiece jacks had been interchanged. The first disc was OK, though.

I do wonder, though, whether there could be a link with this and information in the thread on the passing of Keith Mothersson: http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17612

kbo234 · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject:

outsider · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject:

@ Ian Fantom:

At the end of the meeting my bag had been interchanged with my neighbour's, and when I got home I found the disc was blank and the microphone and earpiece jacks had been interchanged.

Jon Ronson also said in his book (I think called 'Them') that a video tape shot at Bohemian Grove was blank when he retrieved it with his baggage at Heathrow.

xmasdale · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject:

outsider · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject:

@ Noel:
but declaring you are Jesus Christ is surely either madness or a deliberate ploy of some kind. I work on the principle that those who claim they are, are definitely not, whereas those who make no such claim might possibly be.

Don't worry, mate! You'll know it when He does return!

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject:

There is no connection between David Shayler's incredible delusions of grandeur (which, in his mind, are largely founded on aspects of his Kabbalistic faith) and Keith's death.

Strange that anyone should draw any link.

Mr Shayler has taken far too many hallucinogenic drugs as part of his 'second childhood' and they have tipped him over the edge. He has lost his grip on the real world.

Keith wasn't like that at all. The last time I spoke to him in late May he was a bit fuzzy but not at all 'deluded'.

kbo234 · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject:

xmasdale · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject:

IanFantom · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject:

Do we have any more info on Keith's work on the Tavistock Institute?

xmasdale · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject:

The Watcher · Validated Poster Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 200

Ian Fantom asked:

scubadiver · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject:

The Sunday Times printed a picture of him with the following comment:

Pikey · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject:

Ian Fathom wrote:

kbo234 · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:30 pm Post subject:

Ian, who was it who started shouting at you?

illeagalhunter · Moderate Poster Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 106

Shayer is a Trannie , you couldnt make this up

outsider · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject:

Annie · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: For the record

During my recent speaking tour across Canada, I had an evening being interviewed by Barrie Zwicker and, of course, the subject of Shayler came up, so here's my perspective:

http://911blogger.com/node/20356

I hope David's found contentment in his new life.

Regards

Annie

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: For the record

Yr approach to this whole grisly business.
- Which as far as I can see began with the 'no planes' interview with the New Statesman which I helped to set up but was so disappointed with. -
Has been admirable.

But Dave will never find peace as long as he, like Madonna and so many others, puts his faith in 'Jewish mysticism' and the Kaballah.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject:

This group email just in from David.

Please circulate or cover:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/89843/From-Russia-with-jugs/

Obviously I’m not living full-time as Dolores. Transvestism is not the same as transsexuality and I’m perfectly happy as a bloke. I probably dress once or twice a week at the moment. And no, I’m not gay. It’s as if I fancy women so much, I want to be one – but only on a temporary basis.

And no, I haven’t had a breakdown – I’ve been dressing as Dolores – not Delores — for years. In fact, my ex-girlfriend Annie initially encouraged my exploration of my feminine side – although only in private. I’ve been going out dressed in public since I stopped going out with her three years ago. Since then, I’ve seen very little of her and not at all this year so she really is in no position to judge my mental state. I have though on many occasions offered to explain my journey to her but she doesn’t want to listen.

Any spiritual teacher will tell you that the ultimate goal of the journey is to combine and balance the masculine and feminine. The Biblical Jesus says “I am Male and Female”. The equal-armed, Messianic Cross – the symbol of the Christ – represents this balance of the masculine and feminine.

http://www.tytingcommunityproject.org.uk/call-me-dolores/

love+light+laughter

Dave Shayler
Jesus the Christ

http://www.youtube.com/user/ShaylerTV

My twopenneth worth for what it is worth

Judge not lest you wish to be judged or similar platitudes. Whilst I don't personally see David as THE messiah, everything I have seen in person, read or watched, tells me David is quite happy with himself and is seeking no ones help, advice or support.

As Annie says

I hope David's found contentment in his new life.

From what I can tell he is quite happy and whilst his behaviour and beliefs are clearly unconventional, I don't see a man who is not at peace. Live and let live ... is that not what freedom is about?

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject:

illeagalhunter · Moderate Poster Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 106

Marigold · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject:

illeagalhunter · Moderate Poster Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 106

Listening to Annie on the interveiw , he had a mad LSD type drink , just like Ike. This must be a Jesus drink as both have & had delusions of grandure after it.

outsider · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject:

I have watched half of the interview, but have to hit the sack as I'm up early in the morning.

It's extremely interesting that David Icke and David Shayler both used the same Amazonian drug (particularly interesting, due to my experiences on drugs), and the same pusher. Just like high-class Madams, they can be used by 'Security Services', both domestic and foreign.

I don't often disagree with Annie, but I suspect it was not accidental that both David's found the same pusher.

CIA have been involved with psychedelic drugs for donkeys years, as most of us know.

I look forward to watching the whole interview, but have to shelve it for now.

Moon-in-Taurus · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:37 am Post subject:

A beautiful presentation that seems to me of a quality that would speak to many who have refused to listen so far.

TonyGosling · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:13 am Post subject:

Are we hearing & or watching the same presentation?

You'd have to be rather guilible to believe that Dave can give you everlasting life in exchange for feeding him and putting him up for a few nights.

I'm listening reasonably intently and my bs detector is way off the scale.

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqO2wVJ2Qr0

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