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Abandoned Ego
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 Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: Naming the accused. |
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I would like the critics to post their findings on the following name.
Dave Frasca.
And on the following ;
Operation Able Danger.
Lets move gently on the serious stuff. |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Naming the accused. |
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| Abandoned Ego wrote: | I would like the critics to post their findings on the following name.
Dave Frasca.
And on the following ;
Operation Able Danger.
Lets move gently on the serious stuff. |
Two very mysterious topics worthy of further investigation. I commend you on your choices.
If we are to take FBI Special Agent Coleen Rowley at her word and trust her recollections and interpretations (and there's no reason not to unless contradictory evidence arises), the pre-9/11 actions of the Dave Frasca and other FBI decision-makers need to be probed more deeply.
I think this approach suggested by Steve Moore of the "Centre for Research on Globalisation" is absolutely off-track, though:
| Quote: | | Clearly, we have an amazing amount of circumstantial evidence that the Bush Cabinet knew of a forthcoming terrorist attack and decided to allow the first hit in order to mobilize the American People behind their political and economic objectives (crush dissent, war on Iraq , oil pipelines, etc) Now, researchers need to work their way up the ladder starting with Dave Frasca;.and, at the same time, work down the ladder from the Bush Cabinet (the more difficult task). In time, perhaps decades, with the help of a few defectors, we will be able to connect all the dots. |
The next step is not to "connect the dots" but to find out if Rowley was correct in her interpretations and recollections about Frasca by investigating Frasca. This includes a hard press under FOIA to declassify Frasca's and his colleagues' testimony about pre-9/11 events. People should also press their representatives to look at this mystery more closely.
I would suggest a similar approach regarding Able Danger.
If there should be a push for a new investigation, it should be in this area. |
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ian neal
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| Would you like to suggest why the Kean Inquiry failed to do this first time round? It does seem like a rather obvious place to start. |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ian neal wrote: | | Would you like to suggest why the Kean Inquiry failed to do this first time round? It does seem like a rather obvious place to start. |
I can't answer that.
edit: Frasca and others did testify, IIRC, but their testimony is classified. Until I know more, I leave open the possibility that what the investigators found has an innocent explanation. Innocent until proven guilty. |
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Abandoned Ego
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: Huffman Aviation. |
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How about Huffman Aviation ? A major drug running operation - you no doubt remember the Iran Contra scandal, or perhaps have read Gary Webbs "Dark Alliances" which explains how the CIA flooded South Los Angeles with crack cocaine. ( Before webb committed suicide when he shot himself twice in the head)
Gotta wonder about this meanwhile,
Why did Jeb Bush and federal agents seize records from Huffman Aviation - Florida flight school of Mohammed Atta, and other 9/11 hijackers - in the middle of the night following the attacks of September 11th and load them onto a C-130? And why did Jeb Bush know, hours after the attack, where to look?
You see, if theres been a surprise attack ( according to everyone in the 19 Arabs conspiracy camp) It is rather surprising that they suddenly know where to look.
But of course they know where to look. Dave Frasca had been getting all these leads to a drug running front company with all the usual intelligence Agency connections, so we cant be mentioning that to all and sundry can we ?
Unless all that classified info from Frascas testimony is of course bunk.
Or, Unless we now have two psychics in the Bush camp ( as well as psycopaths). We have George who "saw the first plane hitting the first tower", despite never being shown on TV or anywhere prior to him making that comment, not once but twice, and we have Brother Jeb snatching all the flight records from one of the training schools, a matter of hours after everyone in the US admin had been taken "completely by surprise" by 9/11.
If an official conspiracy theorist (19 Arabs) didnt know better, he might be tempted to say that the people originally touting that conspiracy theory (collectively known as 'Bushco') were actually heavily involved with the perpetrators !
Edited Marvin for Jeb. Marvin has his own role in all of this of course. Ma Bush and her boys springs to mind. |
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DeFecToR
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Huffman Aviation. |
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| Abandoned Ego wrote: | How about Huffman Aviation ? A major drug running operation - you no doubt remember the Iran Contra scandal, or perhaps have read Gary Webbs "Dark Alliances" which explains how the CIA flooded South Los Angeles with crack cocaine. ( Before webb committed suicide when he shot himself twice in the head)
Gotta wonder about this meanwhile,
Why did Jeb Bush and federal agents seize records from Huffman Aviation - Florida flight school of Mohammed Atta, and other 9/11 hijackers - in the middle of the night following the attacks of September 11th and load them onto a C-130? And why did Jeb Bush know, hours after the attack, where to look?
You see, if theres been a surprise attack ( according to everyone in the 19 Arabs conspiracy camp) It is rather surprising that they suddenly know where to look.
But of course they know where to look. Dave Frasca had been getting all these leads to a drug running front company with all the usual intelligence Agency connections, so we cant be mentioning that to all and sundry can we ?
Unless all that classified info from Frascas testimony is of course bunk.
Or, Unless we now have two psychics in the Bush camp ( as well as psycopaths). We have George who "saw the first plane hitting the first tower", despite never being shown prior to him making that comment not once but twice, and we have Brother Marvin snatching all the flight records from one of the training schools, a matter of hours after everyone in the US admin had been taken "completely by surprise" by 9/11.
If an official conspiracy theorist (19 Arabs) didnt know better, he might be tempted to say that the people originally touting that conspiracy theory (collectively known as 'Bushco') were actually the perpetrators ! |
No, you see, what happened was, Jeb has this talent with reading tea leaves. Seriously. Its well reported. It was on TV and everything. So, anyway, he, like, spilt his cup of tea, you know, on the floor, but, ha ha, funny thing though, the leaves, they, you know, arranged themselves, yeh, in to "Huffman Aviation, Mohammed Atta, main office, grey box, under the coffee machine." So, he, like, went "Ahhhhh!', we better get on the phone to John Travolta, and see if he has a spare C130". He didnt (it was already full of Bin Ladens), so he just, you know, called the CIA. He didnt want to you understand, because, like, tea leaves. Its embarassing and whatever. But anyway, good man, real talented.
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chipmunk stew
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It's possible that people in certain positions knew these men were up to something but hadn't yet worked out what they were up to, no?
It's not uncommon for law enforcement to monitor the activities of a group they know is up to no good, while trying not to give themselves away so that they can capture solid evidence and catch a big fish.
It's possible that the nature and timing of the mission caught them by surprise, but once it went down, they had only to confirm what they knew the instant it became clear that 9/11 was an attack--that the men they'd been monitoring were responsible.
A cover-up for such a tragic failure of intelligence would be unsurprising (although not justifiable). |
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DeFecToR
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | It's possible that people in certain positions knew these men were up to something but hadn't yet worked out what they were up to, no?
It's not uncommon for law enforcement to monitor the activities of a group they know is up to no good, while trying not to give themselves away so that they can capture solid evidence and catch a big fish.
It's possible that the nature and timing of the mission caught them by surprise, but once it went down, they had only to confirm what they knew the instant it became clear that 9/11 was an attack--that the men they'd been monitoring were responsible.
A cover-up for such a tragic failure of intelligence would be unsurprising (although not justifiable). |
To be honest, i think my explanation was closer to the truth.
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You do realise CS dont you that your version of 911 requires the most ridiculous number of coincidences to all be in place right?
It looks like a CD, but thats just a coincidence.
It looks like a cover up, but thats just a coincidence.
Bin Laden appears to be CIA, but thats just coincidence.
The neocon/MIC made billions off 911, but thats just coincidence.
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chipmunk stew
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: | It's possible that people in certain positions knew these men were up to something but hadn't yet worked out what they were up to, no?
It's not uncommon for law enforcement to monitor the activities of a group they know is up to no good, while trying not to give themselves away so that they can capture solid evidence and catch a big fish.
It's possible that the nature and timing of the mission caught them by surprise, but once it went down, they had only to confirm what they knew the instant it became clear that 9/11 was an attack--that the men they'd been monitoring were responsible.
A cover-up for such a tragic failure of intelligence would be unsurprising (although not justifiable). |
To be honest, i think my explanation was closer to the truth. |
I'm curious, then. Does that mean the 19 hijackers do play a part in your hypothesis of the truth? |
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I'm curious, then. Does that mean the 19 hijackers do play a part in your hypothesis of the truth? |
Possibly.
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But then again, so might fairy dust and plastic pancakes.
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| DeFecToR wrote: | You do realise CS dont you that your version of 911 requires the most ridiculous number of coincidences to all be in place right?
It looks like a CD, but thats just a coincidence.
It looks like a cover up, but thats just a coincidence.
Bin Laden appears to be CIA, but thats just coincidence.
The neocon/MIC made billions off 911, but thats just coincidence. |
These aren't really coincidences, though, are they?
A CD and a collapse due to other circumstances follow the same rules. And two of the three didn't look like any CD in the history of CD, anyway.
Some parts of the story look like a cover-up, probably because they're a cover-up. The question then becomes the nature of what's being covered up--how sinister is it?
Bin Laden was among the fighters supported in part by the CIA to defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan. The US was doing a lot of that kind of thing during the Cold War. To infer from that that Bin Laden the Islamic fundamentalist, leader of the most notorious Islamic terrorist group known by the West, was an intentional creation of the CIA, though, is absurd.
(What does MIC stand for?) People profiting from war? No! Honestly, does this surprise you? |
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | But then again, so might fairy dust and plastic pancakes. |
I think it's called Thermate and C-4.  |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: |
A CD and a collapse due to other circumstances follow the same rules. |
Eh? How do you figure that one?
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Some parts of the story look like a cover-up, probably because they're a cover-up. The question then becomes the nature of what's being covered up--how sinister is it?
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So why arent you spending your time trying to find out instead of taking up all our time when that is something we are dedicated to.
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Bin Laden was among the fighters supported in part by the CIA to defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan. The US was doing a lot of that kind of thing during the Cold War. To infer from that that Bin Laden the Islamic fundamentalist, leader of the most notorious Islamic terrorist group known by the West, was an intentional creation of the CIA, though, is absurd.
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Absurd? Man, you really havent read your history.
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(What does MIC stand for?) People profiting from war? No! Honestly, does this surprise you? |
Sooooo, if people are making billions from war, then its well within reason to asume that those profiteers actually are GLAD for the war no? And if they are, then surely its not a big step to see them engineer one for the sake of profit no?
No?
Eh?
Or is that 'just absurd'?
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DeFecToR
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | DeFecToR wrote: | | But then again, so might fairy dust and plastic pancakes. |
I think it's called Thermate and C-4. |
If you were a chick and i wasnt married i'd take you out to Macdonalds. You'd blasted well pay for it though.
By the way, i'm chopping up S Jones' recent speech at AJ's 911 event and will post it on youtube. In it he shows how they conclusively found traces of thermate. I cant WAIT for you to see it. 
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | It's possible that people in certain positions knew these men were up to something but hadn't yet worked out what they were up to, no?
It's not uncommon for law enforcement to monitor the activities of a group they know is up to no good, while trying not to give themselves away so that they can capture solid evidence and catch a big fish.
It's possible that the nature and timing of the mission caught them by surprise, but once it went down, they had only to confirm what they knew the instant it became clear that 9/11 was an attack--that the men they'd been monitoring were responsible.
A cover-up for such a tragic failure of intelligence would be unsurprising (although not justifiable). |
Thanks for your thoughts Stew.
I have to say myself, on consideration of this single strand of the whole 9/11 conspiracy, along with the testimony of Sibel Edmonds it becomes simpler to untangle.
We have drugs, Arms and Intelligence meeting at the same point at the highest level. - To kinda paraphrase Ms Edmonds
This is why you have people like Mr Frasca recieving a promotion for his work vis a vi able danger.
Or Kevin Taskerson, An FBI translator who cant even speak satisfactory English to FBI standard, who is promoted to heading the interrogations in his language section at Gitmo Bay. Hes a yes man.
"Get down to gitmo lad" - * justice.
And Of course the whole thing goes right to the top. This world has nothing to do with right or wrong, its about money, power and control.
"Bovi non Qvuippe" or some words to that effect.
9/11 is childs play to these traitors to humanity. Money is the tool. |
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Wokeman
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| If you get hold of a copy of the brilliant Who Killed John O'Neil one of the characters The Man (the others are Paranoid, Philisopher, Laptop, Historian, and Cynic) says this, that when the CIA's drug-running operation in Mena, Arkansas, came very near to being publicly exposed, it wanted to find somewhere even more out of the way than Mena. "What is more out of the way than that, flight schools! Mohammad Atta wasn't a hijacker - he was transporting drugs. He wasn't learning to fly. He WAS a pilot". |
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chipmunk stew
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| Wokeman wrote: | | If you get hold of a copy of the brilliant Who Killed John O'Neil one of the characters The Man (the others are Paranoid, Philisopher, Laptop, Historian, and Cynic) says this, that when the CIA's drug-running operation in Mena, Arkansas, came very near to being publicly exposed, it wanted to find somewhere even more out of the way than Mena. "What is more out of the way than that, flight schools! Mohammad Atta wasn't a hijacker - he was transporting drugs. He wasn't learning to fly. He WAS a pilot". |
You do realize, don't you, that "Who Killed John O'Neil" is a piece of fiction? Did you notice the part at the end, where the lead character tears apart his map of connections and comes back to the original question of what really happened on 9/11? What do you suppose that final scene is all about?
http://www.wkjo.com/
| Quote: | Traumatized by the September 11th attacks, one man struggles to dismantle official history, at the expense of his sanity and even his life. Grappling with multiple realities - and multiple personalities - he must retreat into his mind in pursuit of the truth. In a fictional film about non-fictional events, there is a place where belief and faith will blind you, where nothing is sacred, and to get there all you have to do is ask:
"Who Killed John O'Neill?" |
Watch "The Man Who Knew" instead:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/ |
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Abandoned Ego
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: Just when I thought there might be hope for you. |
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Just when I thought there might be hope for you Stew.
You quote this piece of Kean commission supported nonsense.
Let me just remind you of your Spokesman in chiefs comments on the 9/11 commission report.
"It reads like a novel, a mystery"
In all my years of listening to this psycopath, this was about the only time I ever heard him say something approaching the truth ( incidentally with that same sly grin on his face) was when he commented on a gift to him of a picture of MLK ;
"I cant wait to hang it "
Or perhaps when he was caught prior to a press conference about Iraq, looking under the table and saying " Those WMDs are around here somewhere"
For all your contributions to 9/11 truth, which I can actually count on one hand, you keep posting pages of this kind of "evidential" drivel.
You say you find 80 errors in LC2. How many facts did you find Stew ?
Go have another look mate.
At least you did me a favour. I was almost on the point of giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Over and out between you and me.
Go read about Randy Glass instead. This world teeters on the brink of Police state fascism, and you quote the "Kean commission" ? |
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Wokeman
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CS,
You didn't quite finish the quote. It's a fictional film about non-fictional events. I believe the character tears down the paper symbols on the wall through frustration and anger. They appear to have got away with it. |
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