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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:56 am Post subject:
Probably plenty of naturally occuring monoliths on this planet caused by volcanic action, wind erosion, deposition. Ever seen volcanic plugor Ayres rock in Australia? _________________ JO911B.
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Someone should ask Buzz Aldrin how he managed to get through the Van Allen belt once, let alone twice. Also how could his space suit work as a heat regulating device, in the vacuum of space.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject:
Andrew wrote:
Someone should ask Buzz Aldrin how he managed to get through the Van Allen belt once, let alone twice.
Say what, Andrew?
Why don't you explain to James Van Allen why your ideas about the Van Allen belts are correct and his are wrong?
"The spacecraft moved through the belts in just 30 minutes, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the aluminium hulls of the spacecraft. In addition, the orbital transfer trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure.
Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions, citing an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.
The spacecraft passed through the intense inner belt in a matter of minutes and the low-energy outer belt in about an hour and a half. The astronauts were mostly shielded from the radiation by the spacecraft. The total radiation received on the trip was about the same as allowed for workers in the nuclear energy field for a year".
Also how could his space suit work as a heat regulating device, in the vacuum of space?
A possibly genuine question, and quite a good example of how being out of your depth can lead to erroneous (not to mention insane) conclusions.
"The cooling units could only work in a vacuum.
Water from a tank in the backpack flowed out through tiny pores in a metal sublimator plate where it quickly vaporized into space. The loss of the heat of vaporization froze the remaining water, forming a layer of ice on the outside of the plate that also sublimated into space (turning from a solid directly into a gas).
A separate water loop flowed through the LCG (Liquid Cooling Garment) worn by the astronaut, carrying his metabolic waste heat through the sublimator plate where it was cooled and returned to the LCG.
Twelve pounds [5.4 kg] of feedwater provided some eight hours of cooling; because of its bulk, it was often the limiting consumable on the length of an EVA. Because this system could not work in an atmosphere, the astronauts required large external chillers to keep them comfortable during Earth training".
Your messiah obviously doesn't frown on broadcast ignorance that can be dispelled by a quick wiki visit, probably wisely preferring that he Himself remain the fount of all that is knowable, knowledgewise. After all, you don't get to assume ownership over £100K in gold bullion by letting a flock of sheep think for themselves, n'cest pas?
As far as the OP goes, in 1588 elements of the Spanish Armada mistook features of the Giants Causeway coast of North Antrim for Dunluce Castle (home of a possible MacDonald ally) and wrecked their ships on the rocks.
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chek wrote:
"A separate water loop flowed through the LCG (Liquid Cooling Garment) worn by the astronaut, carrying his metabolic waste heat through the sublimator plate where it was cooled and returned to the LCG."
Where could they cool it in a vacuum, check. What the article describes is the same as a refrigerator ect. Heat from inside of the refrigerator to the outside, usually at the back. The air (atmosphere absorbs that heat)
A vacuum is neither Hot nor Cold. Does a vacuum flask make hot drinks go cool or keep them at the same temperature, to the efficiency of that flask?
"NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.
Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a "vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day."
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject:
"Water from a tank in the backpack flowed out through tiny pores in a metal sublimator plate where it quickly vaporized into space. The loss of the heat of vaporization froze the remaining water, forming a layer of ice on the outside of the plate that also sublimated into space".
...thus cooling the inner environmental control garment.
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There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject:
Andrew. wrote:
Not so simple chek
There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.
There is one major problem with your objection Andrew.
You saying it is so does not make it so.
To resolve this point, you need to show the calculation that demonstrates that the quoted "Twelve pounds [5.4 kg] of feedwater provided some eight hours of cooling" is hooey.
Plus, you're also asserting the old canard of lunar midday temperature maxima, when everybody knows the landings were made shortly after lunar dawn, the coolest part of the day. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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"forming a layer of ice on the outside of the plate that also sublimated into space (turning from a solid directly into a gas)."
To resovle that chek what was it that was doing the sublimation.
"Plus, you're also asserting the old canard of lunar midday temperature maxima, when everybody knows the landings were made shortly after lunar dawn, the coolest part of the day."
There is no atmosphere chek on the moon its a vacumm (no convection)
Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its colour, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject:
Andrew. wrote:
"forming a layer of ice on the outside of the plate that also sublimated into space (turning from a solid directly into a gas)."
To resovle that chek what was it that was doing the sublimation.
Two words Andrew.
"Vacuum" and "thermodynamics".
Wiki those topics and eventually you might get it.
Andrew. wrote:
"There is no atmosphere chek on the moon its a vacumm (no convection)
Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its colour, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.
Well at least you do know something; there is indeed no useful atmosphere on the moon. And if that was all there was too it, you might be worth discussing this with.
As it stands, you're arguing from ignorance, as evidenced by your statement above because that isn't all there is to it: they were standing on a sphere with exactly the same incidence angles that we experience on Earth, with the identical effects on local temperature that we experience through attenuated radiative impact. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:07 pm Post subject:
You're not grasping the concept of latitude and solar angle with its attendant effect on local temperature Andrew.
"For an angle of 30 degrees, (maximum temperature for a horizontal surface at latitude 30 degrees N or S, or equatorial temperature at roughly plus or minus two Earth days from lunar "noon"), T is then or 107 degrees C. At 60 degrees, the temperature is 58 degrees C".
The temperature figure you quote is correct for high noon which, as the length of the lunar shadows clearly shows, is not the case and irrelevant. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Sunlight intensity in the Solar System
Different bodies of the Solar System receive light of an intensity inversely proportional to the square of their distance from Sun. A rough table comparing the amount of light received by each planet on the Solar System follows
The solar constant is the amount of incoming solar electromagnetic radiation per unit area, measured on the outer surface of Earth's atmosphere in a plane perpendicular to the rays. [2] The solar constant includes all types of solar radiation, not just the visible light. It is measured by satellite to be roughly 1,366 watts per square meter (W/m²), [3] though this fluctuates by about 6.9% during a year (from 1,412 W/m² in early January to 1,321 W/m² in early July) due to the Earth's varying distance from the Sun, and typically by much less than one part per thousand from day to day. Thus, for the whole Earth (which has a cross section of 127,400,000 km²), the power is 1.740×1017W, plus or minus 3.5%. The solar constant does not remain constant over long periods of time (see Solar variation). The approximate average value cited, [3] 1,366 W/m², is equivalent to 1.96 calories per minute per square centimeter, or 1.96 langleys (Ly) per minute.
The Earth receives a total amount of radiation determined by its cross section (π•RE²), but as it rotates this energy is distributed across the entire surface area (4•π•RE²). Hence the average incoming solar radiation (sometimes called the solar irradiance), taking into account the angle at which the rays strike and that at any one moment half the planet does not receive any solar radiation, is one-fourth the solar constant (approximately 342 W/m²). At any given moment, the amount of Solar radiation received at a location on the Earth's surface depends on the state of the atmosphere and the location's latitude.
The solar constant includes all wavelengths of solar electromagnetic radiation, not just the visible light (see Electromagnetic spectrum). It is linked to the apparent magnitude of the Sun, −26.8, in that the solar constant and the magnitude of the Sun are two methods of describing the apparent brightness of the Sun, though the magnitude only measures the visual output of the Sun.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:08 am Post subject:
Andrew, spamming a lot of data does not constitute anything other than your lack of ability to make that data relevant. I would hazard a guess that many readers would have read your two spams and wondered 'so what'?
No matter - for gaining a quick undertsanding of the two issues, firstly try and get your head around why the equator is much warmer than the polar regions. Atmospheric conditions notwithstanding.
Experiment with a torch and a football, taking note of the dispersal of the light energy across the surface at the extremities compared to directly overhead. Then imagine the sun lighting and heating a similar sphere.
Secondly, go buy yourself a cheap gas lighter and a Ronson refill.
Refill the lighter at an angle slightly off the perpendicular, and as the gas sprays merrily away, marvel at how it simultaneously boils away and freezes your hand off at the same time. You can try this at home, though remember it would be best tried outside. And release the gas valve if your fingers show any signs of turning white, frostbite or gangrene.
If you now look up what happens to water in a vacuum, you may be on the way to understanding how the cooling system cold sink worked. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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20 July, 1969: Apollo 11 astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin E."Buzz" Aldrin, Jr erecting the US flag at Tranquility Base during the First Lunar walk Photo: NASA
You're not grasping the concept of latitude and solar angle with its attendant effect on local temperature chek.
What angle shall we agree on then chek with regards to the photo. Also dont forget our bodies produce heat and as there is no covection other than their claimed cooler.
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And dont forget we are talking about radiation! not convection from the surroundings, or sun ray angles on the moon surface but on the astronauts. Which makes your point of no effect.
chek wrote:
"No matter - for gaining a quick undertsanding of the two issues, firstly try and get your head around why the equator is much warmer than the polar regions. Atmospheric conditions notwithstanding.
Experiment with a torch and a football, taking note of the dispersal of the light energy across the surface at the extremities compared to directly overhead. Then imagine the sun lighting and heating a similar sphere."
Also how could his space suit work as a heat regulating device, in the vacuum of space?
A possibly genuine question, and quite a good example of how being out of your depth can lead to erroneous (not to mention insane) conclusions.
"The cooling units could only work in a vacuum.
Water from a tank in the backpack flowed out through tiny pores in a metal sublimator plate where it quickly vaporized into space. The loss of the heat of vaporization froze the remaining water, forming a layer of ice on the outside of the plate that also sublimated into space (turning from a solid directly into a gas).
A separate water loop flowed through the LCG (Liquid Cooling Garment) worn by the astronaut, carrying his metabolic waste heat through the sublimator plate where it was cooled and returned to the LCG.
Twelve pounds [5.4 kg] of feedwater provided some eight hours of cooling; because of its bulk, it was often the limiting consumable on the length of an EVA. Because this system could not work in an atmosphere, the astronauts required large external chillers to keep them comfortable during Earth training".
>200 kelvin = -73.15 degrees Celsius, see phase diagram
What i want to know is how does Buzz know so much?
Er, as a former employee of NASA, Aldrin no doubt receives the latest news from their probes, published in scientific journals and personally from colleagues. He knows no more than what any Ph.D research student in astronomy gets to learn - long before woo-woos do on the internet.
The so-called 'Phobos monolith' is old news. And nothing is anomalous about it. Look carefully at the photos and you will spot quite a few other natural slabs of rock sticking out of the Martian ground. In the words of Shakespeare, it's "much ado about nothing."
What i want to know is how does Buzz know so much?
He's one of the 'enlightened few' who have the 'far seeing' internal microchip add-on brain. This is given to all who signed the android charter and are part of the ET's secret plans to eliminate war and climate change.
What i want to know is how does Buzz know so much?
He's one of the 'enlightened few' who have the 'far seeing' internal microchip add-on brain. This is given to all who signed the android charter and are part of the ET's secret plans to eliminate war and climate change.
Brain add-ons, android charter? Tony, what on earth are you talking about?
It looks like this item, acrobat.
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