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Pikey Banned
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: New building for DEW technology |
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Thanks to Andrew Johnson who continues in his quest for the truth. check out the latest evidence, especially those who proclaim that DEW technology does not exist
http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=48285
Quote: | New Energy Center to Impact Future Weapons for Naval and Joint Forces
Story Number: NNS090917-07
Release Date: 9/17/2009 7:44:00 AM
By John J. Joyce, Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Public Affairs
DAHLGREN, Va. (NNS) -- The Navy demonstrated its commitment to "game-changing" directed energy technological programs at the Naval Directed Energy Center (NDEC) ribbon cutting ceremony held at Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division (NSWCDD) Sept. 10.
The focus of activity in the new building will be directed energy systems and applications, which use electromagnetic energy to project military force and augment conventional capabilities.
"This ribbon-cutting celebrates NAVSEA'S (Naval Sea Systems Command) investment in the Navy's future," said NSWC Dahlgren Division Commander Capt. Sheila Patterson. "This new Naval Directed Energy Center will double the space available for developing our directed energy programs and provide laboratories, computing spaces and offices to help us get the latest technology to our warfighters as soon as possible and protect them from harm's way."
Military officials foresee NDEC as the Navy's center of excellence for directed energy where complex systems engineering and integration problems can be solved and cutting edge solutions made a reality for U.S. troops.
Directed energy systems offer unique alternatives to traditional kinetic weapons such as guns and bombs because a myriad of targets can be engaged with more precision and variable effects.
"Directed Energy Weapons are a critical game-changing technology for the Navy-Marine Corps Team," said James Thomsen, Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition. "It's a technology that we need to understand better. We need to develop it and use it wisely."
"The standing up of the Naval Directed Energy Center is a perfect example of how Dahlgren is leading the way in developing and fielding directed energy warfare solutions, technologies and systems for our Sailors and Marines," said Susan Hudson, NSWC Dahlgren Electromagnetic and Sensor Systems Department Head.
"Our team of government employees, academia and contractors are harnessing various directed energy disciplines in order to develop systems that will enhance what's available to warfighters in order to achieve mission success in the changing operational environment."
The facility is the first in a series of planned construction projects designed to accommodate increasing directed energy activity at Dahlgren.
Moreover, NSWCDD technologists have been making a difference in directed energy research and development throughout the decades. Their understanding – and discoveries – led to the methodologies behind the electromagnetic launch of projectiles using stored electrical energy. These methodologies are critical to the evolution of the Railgun Program.
"Our scientists well understand that the introduction of directed energy weapons into 21st century naval forces has the potential to change naval tactics as fundamentally as computers have changed the way we work and communicate," said Patterson.
As the global security environment becomes increasingly complex and challenging for U.S. defense, NSWC Dahlgren's Directed Energy Warfare Office (DEWO) provides alternative and wide ranging deterrent options for U.S. Naval Forces and Combatant Commanders. DEWO options range from high energy lasers and high power microwaves to directed energy initiatives that counter improvised explosive devices.
For more news from Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren, please visit www.navy.mil/local/nswcdahlgren |
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fish5133 Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | ". "It's a technology that we need to understand better. We need to develop it and use it wisely." |
Question is does it cause steel to pulverise into dust? _________________ JO911B.
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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Stephen Moderate Poster
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:59 am Post subject: |
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fish5133 wrote: | Quote: | ". "It's a technology that we need to understand better. We need to develop it and use it wisely." |
Question is does it cause steel to pulverise into dust? |
whats what we seen on 9/11 as the amount of steel left behind after the attacks wouldnt be enough to build the first 10 storys ! So you must ask yourself were did the steel go? |
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gruts Major Poster
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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fish5133 wrote: | Quote: | ". "It's a technology that we need to understand better. We need to develop it and use it wisely." |
Question is does it cause steel to pulverise into dust? |
and is there any evidence that back in 2001 the secret rulers of the world had spacecraft orbiting around the earth (presumably with some sort of star trek style cloaking capability) that could fire beams of directed energy from orbit to the surface of the earth with the kind of power and precision required to "dustify" the wtc towers?
that's what judy wood is claiming, but I've yet to see any evidence for it, other than spurious claims that there wasn't enough steel in the wtc rubble that have no basis in fact. and there's also no evidence whatsoever that the wtc dust contained any "dustified steel" (in the absence of which, her "theory" is a complete non-starter).
they say that you shouldn't mock the afflicted, but this little clip never fails to make me laugh....
http://truthaction.org/media/Judy_Wood_and_Jim_Fetzer_discuss_DEW.mp3 _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde |
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Micpsi Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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gruts wrote: |
that's what judy wood is claiming, but I've yet to see any evidence for it, other than spurious claims that there wasn't enough steel in the wtc rubble that have no basis in fact. and there's also no evidence whatsoever that the wtc dust contained any "dustified steel" (in the absence of which, her "theory" is a complete non-starter). |
You make the hidden, implausible assumption that - had it existed - most of the "dustified steel" would have settled down on the ground, thereby ignoring the very real possibility that much of it could have been carried away by the wind from the areas where samples were taken. Until you can demonstrate that the relative concentrations of iron in the dust samples shown at:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/WTCchemistrytable.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/dust.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/evidence/usgs_chemicalcompositio n.html
http://www.ehponline.org/members/2003/5930/tab3.jpg
were far too low to be consistent with the hypothesis that most of the steel was turned to iron dust, even allowing for scattering by the wind, your argument for debunking Dr Wood's theory remains scientifically flawed. The fact is, you cannot be certain about how much iron dust would have settled in the sample areas, so the fact that only 1-4 % iron was measured in the dust samples proves nothing by itself.
(BTW, I don't believe in her theory, either, although not for the reason you state, which I regard as faulty). |
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Frank Freedom Mind Gamer
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Going by this article as shown by the OP http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=48285 it appears DEW weapons technology does exist,so really the question is for how long and what can it do? _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International" |
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SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Here I go with another obvious question but...was the salavaged steel from the WTC 911 site ever audited? That central core 60 storey column either famously turned to dust or it fell vertically into a 60 storey deep hole |
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Here I go with another obvious question but...was the salavaged steel from the WTC 911 site ever audited? That central core 60 storey column either famously turned to dust or it fell vertically into a 60 storey deep hole |
Apparently there was about 30 thousand tons of steel in each tower.
That works out at about a 50 xyz foot cubed block.
Floor area was 208 by 208 feet , that’s 43264 square feet.
50x X 50y = 2500
43264 / 2500 = 17.3056
50z / 17.3056 = just under 3 feet high if it was solid steel alone.
The site of the World Trade Centre was located on landfill with the bedrock located 65 feet (20 m) below
So solid steel alone, a hole about 60 feet deep.
Not that I’m suggesting that it was solid mass. Or steel dust. |
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Frank Freedom Mind Gamer
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew. wrote: | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Here I go with another obvious question but...was the salavaged steel from the WTC 911 site ever audited? That central core 60 storey column either famously turned to dust or it fell vertically into a 60 storey deep hole |
Apparently there was about 30 thousand tons of steel in each tower.
That works out at about a 50 xyz foot cubed block.
Floor area was 208 by 208 feet , that’s 43264 square feet.
50x X 50y = 2500
43264 / 2500 = 17.3056
50z / 17.3056 = just under 3 feet high if it was solid steel alone.
The site of the World Trade Centre was located on landfill with the bedrock located 65 feet (20 m) below
So solid steel alone, a hole about 60 feet deep.
Not that I’m suggesting that it was solid mass. Or steel dust. |
Quite a quandry eh?
And were not some saying there was no such thing as DEW weaponry a while ago! _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International" |
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Frank Freedom wrote: | Andrew. wrote: | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Here I go with another obvious question but...was the salavaged steel from the WTC 911 site ever audited? That central core 60 storey column either famously turned to dust or it fell vertically into a 60 storey deep hole |
Apparently there was about 30 thousand tons of steel in each tower.
That works out at about a 50 xyz foot cubed block.
Floor area was 208 by 208 feet , that’s 43264 square feet.
50x X 50y = 2500
43264 / 2500 = 17.3056
50z / 17.3056 = just under 3 feet high if it was solid steel alone.
The site of the World Trade Centre was located on landfill with the bedrock located 65 feet (20 m) below
So solid steel alone, a hole about 60 feet deep.
Not that I’m suggesting that it was solid mass. Or steel dust. |
Quite a quandry eh?
And were not some saying there was no such thing as DEW weaponry a while ago! |
Were not some saying some time ago that the towers steel was dustified.
DEW weaponry, nothing new is it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon |
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gruts Major Poster
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Micpsi wrote: | gruts wrote: |
that's what judy wood is claiming, but I've yet to see any evidence for it, other than spurious claims that there wasn't enough steel in the wtc rubble that have no basis in fact. and there's also no evidence whatsoever that the wtc dust contained any "dustified steel" (in the absence of which, her "theory" is a complete non-starter). |
You make the hidden, implausible assumption that - had it existed - most of the "dustified steel" would have settled down on the ground, thereby ignoring the very real possibility that much of it could have been carried away by the wind from the areas where samples were taken. Until you can demonstrate that the relative concentrations of iron in the dust samples shown at:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/WTCchemistrytable.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/dust.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/evidence/usgs_chemicalcompositio n.html
http://www.ehponline.org/members/2003/5930/tab3.jpg
were far too low to be consistent with the hypothesis that most of the steel was turned to iron dust, even allowing for scattering by the wind, your argument for debunking Dr Wood's theory remains scientifically flawed. The fact is, you cannot be certain about how much iron dust would have settled in the sample areas, so the fact that only 1-4 % iron was measured in the dust samples proves nothing by itself.
(BTW, I don't believe in her theory, either, although not for the reason you state, which I regard as faulty). |
well anything's possible I suppose, but if we consider the two possibilities in this case....
1. there was no dustified steel.
2. most of the wtc steel was somehow turned to dust but this dust then somehow separated itself from the rest of the dust and then somehow avoided landing in all areas from which dust samples were taken and analysed.
....I know which I'd choose.
should we agree to disagree on this one? _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde |
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Stephen wrote: | fish5133 wrote: | Quote: | ". "It's a technology that we need to understand better. We need to develop it and use it wisely." |
Question is does it cause steel to pulverise into dust? |
whats what we seen on 9/11 as the amount of steel left behind after the attacks wouldnt be enough to build the first 10 storys ! |
Have a read of this. Not too long:
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911NutPhysics1.HTM _________________ Currently working on a new website |
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
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but this guy is with the official theory.... _________________ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good people to do nothing.
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Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
Einstein
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mass and gravity both exist only as a means to acheive mathematical self-embedding of everything. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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[quote="scubadiver]
Have a read of this. Not too long:
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911NutPhysics1.HTM[/quote]
Hace read the article and emailed its author asking him if he has reviewed the latrest dust sample analysis from the 3 towers (explosives residue) and also if he has reviewed the research and findings of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth. Will post any reply. _________________ JO911B.
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Stephen Moderate Poster
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''Soft censership'' treatment again
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SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew. wrote: | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Here I go with another obvious question but...was the salavaged steel from the WTC 911 site ever audited? That central core 60 storey column either famously turned to dust or it fell vertically into a 60 storey deep hole |
Apparently there was about 30 thousand tons of steel in each tower.
That works out at about a 50 xyz foot cubed block.
Floor area was 208 by 208 feet , that’s 43264 square feet.
50x X 50y = 2500
43264 / 2500 = 17.3056
50z / 17.3056 = just under 3 feet high if it was solid steel alone.
The site of the World Trade Centre was located on landfill with the bedrock located 65 feet (20 m) below
So solid steel alone, a hole about 60 feet deep.
Not that I’m suggesting that it was solid mass. Or steel dust. |
The hole would have to have been 12ft X 60 deep for the WTC1 central core to fall vertically into it. I've always been under the impression the towers weighed 500K tons each, was the 30K tons of steel 'skeleton' supporting 470K tons of concrete carpets curtains and fittings? |
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Andrew. wrote: | SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Here I go with another obvious question but...was the salavaged steel from the WTC 911 site ever audited? That central core 60 storey column either famously turned to dust or it fell vertically into a 60 storey deep hole |
Apparently there was about 30 thousand tons of steel in each tower.
That works out at about a 50 xyz foot cubed block.
Floor area was 208 by 208 feet , that’s 43264 square feet.
50x X 50y = 2500
43264 / 2500 = 17.3056
50z / 17.3056 = just under 3 feet high if it was solid steel alone.
The site of the World Trade Centre was located on landfill with the bedrock located 65 feet (20 m) below
So solid steel alone, a hole about 60 feet deep.
Not that I’m suggesting that it was solid mass. Or steel dust. |
The hole would have to have been 12ft X 60 deep for the WTC1 central core to fall vertically into it. I've always been under the impression the towers weighed 500K tons each, was the 30K tons of steel 'skeleton' supporting 470K tons of concrete carpets curtains and fittings? |
I don't know the exact figures.
wiki
''The floors consisted of 4-inch (10 cm) thick lightweight concrete slabs laid on a fluted steel deck with shear connections for composite action.''
10 cm x 110 floors=1100cm
11m x 64m x 64m=45056 m2 (edit) m3
''The density of normal concrete is 2400 kg/m3 and the density of lightweight concrete is 1750 kg/m3''
2.4 x 45056 = 108134.4
1.750 x 45056 = 78848
108, thousand one hundred and thirty five(Rounded up) tons of concrete.
78, thousand eight hundred and forty eight tons of concrete.
(edit)
11 meters about 35 feet plus 3 feet of steel 38 feet. Or a hole about 27 feet deep.
Not that I’m suggesting that it was all solid mass. Or steel dust.
Or without partition walls, fittings, ect. |
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