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As you all probably know I've been a lot less active here this year than in previous ones. Partly the reason for this is my research has lead me in other directions that I have been pursuing, one of which is understanding consent, specifically consent to be governed
I've been monitoring the ongoing situation regarding the EU and Lisbon, as I'm sure we all have, and following the signing of the Lisbon Treaty with the surrender of the signature of Vaclav Klaus, the Czech President, I decided that the time had come for me to take positive action
I met with the Electoral Officer for my Council and served the following Notice on her... there are some minor and obvious edits of personal information in this web version
Some of the terminology in this Notice may be new to people, there is a lot of background understanding implicit in the notice, but I wont go over-explanatory now, I'll be happy to answer any questions that arise... the main thing I would empathise is the the Electoral Officer certainly understood the difference between the lawful human and legal person, and accepted the Notice without conflict
| Quote: | John of the White Family
C/O MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE
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Malvern _ _ _ _ _ _ _
11th of November 2009
NOTICE OF RECLAMATION OF CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED
I request and require all those who read this Notice to accept this Notice as a Notice. Notification of one Branch of government is de facto Notification of them all
I am John of the White Family, a free human being on the land. I count the lands known as "England" and "Wales" to be mine to inhabit by right of birthright
Through registration of my birth by my parents, and creation of social contract on behalf of myself, I understand that I am the authorised agent for the Legal Entity known as "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" National Insurance number _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I understand "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" to be my vessel for the purpose of acting in commerce. I understand that Parliament uses statutory Instruments to create Acts that set rules "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" must follow as I use that vessel to engage in commerce and facilitate my life as a human being. I understand that these rules apply to MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE because I consent, through contract, to be governed. I understand that Acts of Parliament and other Statutory Instruments are given the Force of Law through the consent of the governed. This is a social contract. I understand the governed have the right to withdraw consent because they are Free Human Beings, and I am also a Free Human Being
I Understand that as a Free Human Being I can withdraw my consent at any time from any contract I might make. The ability to withdraw consent, the ability to say "No", are fundamental for one to be in a state that can be considered Free. If one cannot withdraw consent then one is thereby enslaved. As a Human being I have the right not to be enslaved
It has come to my attention that, possibly at the beginning of December 2009, the sovereignty of the British Parliament is to be transferred to the European Union as a result of the signing of the Lisbon Treaty by all required parties. It is my understanding that, if I consent to contract to said transfer of sovereignty, I agree that my vessel in commerce "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" will be bound by statutes and legislations of the European Union
I understand that in a Democracy it is a fundamental expectation that, as a Government governs with the consent of the governed, it maintains consent with the decisions it wishes to make. This is normally considered to be received by receiving electoral consent at a General Election based on presenting a programme of policies and manifesto pledges.
The Current Labour Government of the UK started it's current term of Office having made a solemn pledge the British people would decide whether or not Britain should sign the European Constitution through a National Referendum. I understand that to mean the British People were pledged they would decide whether sovereignty of these lands would be transferred out of these lands. By doing so, the current Labour government clearly surrendered any mandate to transfer sovereignty and placed the responsibility for that decision into the hands of the governed, also known as the Electorate. At that time, I was a member of the electorate through my vessel MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE. Following the defeat of the then European Constitution in other European countries referendums, the European Constitution was repackaged as "the Lisbon Treaty". The Labour government then said, in line with the position of the European Union, that although the Lisbon Treaty did transfer sovereignty from these lands it was not the same document as the European Constitution and therefore did not require the empowerment of a mandate via national referendum
I consider this action to be potentially legal but certainly unlawful. As a free human being I am not required to accept unlawful actions as lawful even if they are legal. I understand unlawful actions cannot be legal even if a Government claims unlawful actions are legal. This action by the Labour Government was an unlawful breach of contract with the legal person of "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE", and by extension, an unlawful breach of contract with myself, the human being John of the White family
As a result, when MP's of all parties voted to pass the Lisbon treaty in Spring 2009 they did so without the required consent of the governed. No Political party was elected to office with a mandate to legislate away British sovereignty, least of the the governing Labour Party, which had made clear at the election it did not have or seek that mandate through General Election. I understand this to be a betrayal of public trust, to be unlawful, and to potentially be treasonable. As the Government acted without a mandate to demonstrate the consent of the governed the contract with the governed is broken
I understand that I have the option to withdraw my consent from contract to be governed when the Government has broken that contract. I understand I have lawful cause to do so to protect my status as a free human being
I understand that consenting to register as an elector is contractually how I consent to be governed. Whether I do or do not choose to use my allocated vote, by registering I consent to be governed by the winning party of said election
Based on my understanding, I therefore no longer consent to register on the Register of Electors. I understand this is not a criminal offence to do so as I do not consent to be governed and thus statute law is inapplicable. I withdraw all consent and all assumed consent to be governed. The government of the UK does not act with my consent from this moment forward until further notice, and the government of the European Union cannot act with my consent as it has not received it. Therefore I am not a European Citizen and, whilst remaining in honour, am not bound by any European Law
I declare to all human beings around me that I will continue to act lawfully within the common law and good spiritual values at all times, acting as myself, the human being known as John of the White family. I swear that I will not knowingly tell untruth, will not Steal and will not cause Harm in accordance with living harmoniously with my fellow human beings
I hereby give 14 days for reply to Notice this Notice. If no reply is received, I will consider this notice accepted, and my withdrawal of consent to be governed uncontested
John of the White Family
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Obviously the 14 day schedule is now active
I've followed this action up by writing to various personages Notifying them of my Notice... the MP and MEP for this area, Parliamentary Candidates, the leader of the council, the Chief of Police, Gordon Brown and the Queen
I've also organised a public talk here in Malvern for Thursday the 26th November, with some of the above named personally invited as well as putting the word out to local contacts. The talk will be called "Reclaim Consent: The Brave New World is here: where are You?" The aim is to Video it of course and make it available on the net afterwards
And I have started a face book group called "Reclaim Consent", which hopefully this is a link for:)
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=210156541153&ref=mf
There is much to do of course, I'm going to be very busy, but I'm delighted to be able to share this info with you all and hopefully you will find it interesting
John
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Good for you John. I hope you know what your doing.
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Well as Frank Herbert said, "Fear is the mind killer"... and Fear and Control go hand in hand together
I find I am "free" to do this, to stand on the principles I hold as integral to who I am... its another step on the journey... and of course none of us know the route we will take to the final destination... except that it is final 
But more importantly, I know that silence is implicit consent... if i didn't know, then I wouldnt know... but I DO know... and so have acted
I wouldnt say it isnt going to be possible to withdraw consent to be governed after the EU "activates" Lisbon, but I do know the EU itself has no common law, so it certainly feels right to serve this Notice now as opposed to after the beginning of December... if nothing else perhaps to act as a precedent that others may be able to make use of later
Also, I am far from the only person to withdraw consent to be governed... however to the best of my knowledge I am the only one to serve a Notice based on breach of contract to be governed regarding the non-referendum and absence of political mandate
Others have served Notices based on "war crimes" or "treason", but I chose not to because both of those stances are based on opinions of criminal action not convictions... whereas breach of contract based on no mandate is self evident and tricky to argue against
Of course such argument may be forthcoming, there is a 14 day schedule for Notice of the Notice so I can't pre-empt what might happen in that period, though its most likely I will hear nothing in reply as that is the experience most have had, and the Notice was accepted without conflict
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| TonyGosling wrote: | My own feelings on this John are that it may be a diversion.
John Harris pulled out of this wekend's Alternative View conference - turning down the opportunity to speak to an audience of several hundred - citing the reason that he felt people were being charged too much for entry. Despite the fact that entry fees were reduced in the weeks running up top the event. Leaving the event organisers in a difficult position.
The guy has, by his own admission, been in and out of mental institutions and I'm not at all sure that there is any sound legal basis to what he is claiming.
Still, I wish you and him good fortune in what you're doing. |
I have met John Harris a couple of times... I wouldnt want to be drawn into disparaging him becuase I generally look to accept people as they are and nothing about John Harris concerns me any more than anyone else... however I would observe that he does seem torn between wanting to do events and not wanting to do them... I'd say its fair to say he feels a degree of pressure, and in general he comes across as someone who has suffered the "guru" effect to a certain effect. Many people do talks and make videos but sometimes one person attracts a certain level of attention and then others tend to hang on their every word. I would say he has his heart in the right place. I'd also say I certainly dont agree with him about all things... but again that's not a particular problem for me as I have learned to agree to disagree most of the time
But the connection of names to ideas on the internet zeitgeist is certainly somewhat insidious. We have seen in in division's in the 9/11 community, a certain set of ideas is associated with a certain personality... so I suppose it's interesting to see the association of ideas like reclaiming consent and John Harris in that context
I would have to say I have a much wider view than that
Freedom does mean something: or we are not free. Look in any dictionary for the definition of "legislation" and the chances are you will swiftly find "Legislation is given the force of law through the consent of the governed". What is this consent?
Is it automatic and immutable? Is it given?
If the former then we never actually consent to anything but are simply persuaded that we have or persuaded not to notice we haven't had a choice
This would imply that democracy has never been anything more than a convenient illusion of control
If it is given, then there must be a mechanism through which it is given (and its my own research which has led me to identify registering as an elector as that mechanism of consent).. so far that is certainly holding up, but like all things regarding Law, its certainly not unchallengeable.
The development of law is a process of challenging previously held statements. The action of serving a Notice is to give the opportunity to be challenged... the benefit of that either being the human with an unchallenged notice that then bears weight on any future situation, or of opening negotiation through a Notice being challenged... and of course the legal profession has for hundreds of years had Notaries whose business is the serving of Notices... more often to do with ownership of property than anything else of course, but consent to be governed is certainly part of the whole... and of course historically many people have reclaimed their consent... the issue of consent to be governed is at the heart of why the ships to the new world were stuffed full of Quakers
On the whole then I would suggest this is bigger than John Harris 
However I would say right now that in terms of value I can only be certain this action has value to me... its not for me to see value in it for others, and I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone do it because I've chosen to to it... that is a matter for them, and to successfully serve a Notice like this does require full understanding of what the Notice is defining, not just the notice itself
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: John Harris - No Show at AV3 |
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Tony Gosling wrote:
| Quote: | | John Harris pulled out of this weekend just gone's Alternative View conference - turning down the opportunity to speak to an audience of several hundred - citing the reason that he felt people were being charged too much for entry. Despite the fact that entry fees were reduced in the weeks running up to the event and that it was priced from the start at the same level as previous AV's. This left the event organisers in a difficult position. |
It is with great regret that I have to advise that John Harris didn't simply 'pull out' the Alternative View, he failed to honour his agreement to appear. We have still not received any communication from John Harris advising of his withdrawal from AV3!
According to Tony, John Harris stated that he failed to show because, "... people were being charged too much for entry." If this is the case, it would seem that John's 'Freeman of the Land' concept does not extend to respecting the freewill of the individual to decide whether or not they wish to attend a particular event.
If Cynthia McKinney can fly in from Atlanta (having given presentations in Libya and Malaysia in the previous two weeks), Dr Leonid Sharashkin from Siberia, Greg Nickolettos from Brisbane and Norman Baker MP can catch the night sleeper down from Edinburgh (where he was speaking the previous evening), arriving in Bristol at 9.30am and be on Platform at 10.15am, I cannot conceive of any valid reason why John Harris should be a 'no show'! If he was sick or involved in an automobile accident, I'm sure we would have heard by now!
John White makes the following observervation about John Harris:
| Quote: | | ... in general he comes across as someone who has suffered the "guru" effect to a certain effect(sic) |
This is an interesting observation as there is a disturbing common denominator between David Shayler and John Harris. John has recently been accompanied by the very same individual who I hold responsible for accelerating David Shayler's descent into 'Messiahdom'. Is the pattern about to be repeated?
Whatever the situation with John Harris, the prognosis does not bode well whilst he maintains any association with Shayler's past supplier of hallucinagenics .
The individual to whom I refer attended AV1 but his behaviour at that event 'freaked' Dr Robert Verkerk, Chief Executive of the Alliance for Natural Health. So much so that Dr Verkerk felt compelled to check out his claim to be a 'Doctor'.
This same individual has also finagled his way into bbctv5, taking advantage of Adrian Cannock's absence from the UK. Which is why I have refused bbctv5 access to both AV2 & AV3. I wish Adrian well in his endeavour to regain control of bbctv5.
John Harris will no doubt attempt to justify his 'non-appearance' at some juncture and in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. I am actually far more concerned about alerting others to the insidious behaviour of the Doctor.
The Doctor to whom I have referred is either a very sad, lonely individual who feels the need to bask in the reflected limelight of the latest 'alternative guru' ... or something far more sinister!
Ian R Crane
Note: Dr Verkerk established that the individual to whom I refer above was indeed a qualified medical practioner but had allowed his membership of the GMC to lapse.
Tony Gosling is not correct in his statement that prices were reduced in the run up to the event. Although the venue was not full to capacity, the event had sold out of all 125 hotel rooms allocated to AV3. A number of late registrants were forced to seek accommodation at other nearby hotels.
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I was at the BC Group conference in London and John mentioned he didn't want to do any more talks. He says he is writing a book and has a deadline to meet.
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I do seem to have walked into a room in which John Harris has left a bad smell! That's quite unfortunate I really can't shed any more light on what happened at AV3 because I simply don't know... John Harris is not my responsibility
John White is!
However I would emphasise "freeman on the land" is not a John Harris concept... best of my knowledge John Harris has only been mentioning it since the start of this year... if that could be claimed by anybody in recent years it would be Robert Arthur Menard... and he would probably say its just his take on it!
Nor does the concept of Freedom belong to "freemen on the land"... anymore than "9/11 Truth" belongs to David Ray Griffen, or Tony Gosling, or Nico Haupt, or "peak Oil" belong to Ian R Crane (no disrespect fellas)
And I would consider that me taking the step of reclaiming my consent is nothing to do with any of the above, but is about me being true to myself, first and foremost
Does anyone have questions about the Notice? Why I've done it in a certain way, what the reasoning or aims are?
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Hi John,
Having thought about opting out for many years, I'm interested to know more about what you are doing and what consequences you anticipate.
I realise that asking certain kinds of questions can sound like nay-saying - so I want to clarify that that is not my intent.
How do you think that your action may affect your life in terms of what has become the mundane, i.e. electricity supply, internet connection etc.
And does somebody who has declared themselves as ungoverned have to pay taxes? Or even work? Could they expect the police to protect them if they are, say, attacked in the street. Could they expect medical treatment?
A couple of years ago, I considered buying some woodland and building a treehouse, so believe me, I know how annoying questions like this can be...
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| flamesong wrote: | Hi John,
Having thought about opting out for many years, I'm interested to know more about what you are doing and what consequences you anticipate.
I realise that asking certain kinds of questions can sound like nay-saying - so I want to clarify that that is not my intent.
How do you think that your action may affect your life in terms of what has become the mundane, i.e. electricity supply, internet connection etc.
And does somebody who has declared themselves as ungoverned have to pay taxes? Or even work? Could they expect the police to protect them if they are, say, attacked in the street. Could they expect medical treatment?
A couple of years ago, I considered buying some woodland and building a treehouse, so believe me, I know how annoying questions like this can be... |
Hi flamesong
Well firstly I'm reclaiming my consent to be governed, not abandoning my vessel in commerce... so I can still lawfully engage in commerce. In fact it would be difficult to deny me the ability to do so
With regard to taxation, it becomes a matter of potential negotiation rather than enforcement. Some people who have reclaimed consent have taken to negotiation of taxation... for example rather than being told what council tax band their home is in, they have submitted offers for what they consider reasonable amounts. Sometimes that has been successful (in that the offer is accepted) sometimes it has not, that depends on the decisions the council involved makes, but councils sure do seem unwilling to risk attempting to prosecute... the potential is pretty much infinite there
However my attention is to remain in close harmony with the system as much as possible... the more one diverges from the rules the consenting follow, the more energy is diverted into "fighting" ones corner, and I dont wish to be in dispute more than necessary. I am more likely to consider it necessary with regard to impositions of the EU rather than statute legislation of the British Parliment... I tend to live my life without engaging in excessive commerce, my free time is a valuable to me as my freedom, so I tend to be self-sufficent but not liable for taxation. If I did increase my income I would be inclined to pay the same amount as others are required to by statute legislation but serve notice on the inland revenue that the amount paid is my common law offer. I'd talk to them in other words: and that's important: as long as one is willing to talk one is not in dishonour... anyone who walks into a court situation in dishonour is walking in there to lose their case...
Regarding medical care, at least in the UK at the moment, is covered by "duty of care"... if I break a leg or become seriously ill I'm not going to be turned away from hospital... no guarantee that's going to continue with the primacy of the EU, but of course that's partly the point! If I was older a state pension might be a sticking point, but one could submit a claim of right for it as a potential course of action
Bottom line is though I don't have a crystal ball so I will have to deal with the situation as it develops
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Here's the details for the talk if anyone is in the area:)
Reclaim Consent: The Brave New World is here: Where are you?
A talk by Malvern Philosopher John White
Thursday 26th November, Graham Room, Great Malvern Hotel
Meet from 7 talk starts 7:30
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I’ve been looking into this freeman movement for a few years now. I don’t post on any of the freeman movement forums, but I do post on the UK column BCG forum under the name Fremen.
What seems to be happening at the moment is that some in the UK column BCG group although many do see benefits and take note of each other and the varied views of individuals is that the UK column BCG inclined thinkers seem to be more inclined to a more cohesive society with good government and some complain of some of the freemen types as being a bit more anarchical.
What the freeman movement inclined thinkers tend to think is like John has said.
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http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=141665&highlight=#141 665
“So the legality or illegality of anything "they" define as dissent is irrelevant: It is the LAWFULNESS of whatever anyone's action should be that concerns us
Lawfulness means justified action in relation to government must conform with common law: it must not harm most specifically
I do not trust chaos however: I do not see rebellion. neither do I see revolution: at least not in any way that needs people to flock to the capital and line the streets for straight on conflict with a fully tooled up military or police.”
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Which the UK column BCG inclined thinkers seem to approve of also.
Where one of the problems seems to lay is that those freemen types who do post on the UK column BCG forum just keep repeating over and over that we have rights and the complaint of the UK column BCG inclined thinkers is that. “Yes we know we have rights” we don’t need to keep repeating it over and over because any right thinking person knows we have if you will “God given rights”
When we move on to the actual Laws there is no consensus on what they should be for a cohesive society to exist. Whilst the UK column BCG types realise that they/we need to keep the government in check so they are public servants and not public master’s (dictators) and hirelings to a small financial oligarchy. And say that is what they work towards with the support of many of the freeman inclined thinkers that also see the benefit of both groups. Both groups seem to be busy researching what is going on with politics and also studying “Common Law” unfortunately it seems just the history of it when under those laws it was less corrupt than it is now and becoming worse.
Well we should all know where the “Common Law” derives from but very few come anywhere near understanding them.
On one video I saw of John Harris who does present it well, he explained it as “to not cause Harm injury or loss” and it’s a great way of explaining it and keeping it simple.
But even that as simple as it is seems not to be understood.
For instance--without going into weightier Laws that are for our help and protection if we abide by them (learn and DO them) Some of the weightier ones would be these but I know people don’t understand them.
Economics, property, justice, housing, food, hygiene, agriculture, and armed forces. (How to prevent (stop) wars)
-- some one was saying about prisons and was a claimed studied freeman thinker.
“The penalty for wholesale fraud in this nation is years in prison.”
Harm, injury, loss,
The whole idea when understood is that under the real Laws. Laws should not fit the crime but PREVENT the crime and teach responsibility.
Prison a loss to everyone having to pay for it when it is unnecessary.
"Under the full common Law there are no prisons but rehabilitation (People shown how wonderful it is to live by them and want it for themselves which they would be encouraged to do and have all the benefits of it) if we had the full Laws in place who would not choose to live by them if they understood them ?"
Never the less what politicians do is commit a capitol offence when changing the Real Laws. And there is even a Law to prevent this.
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Nice overview Andrew, and thanks for seeing this is me pursuing my thing, not anyone elses
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| John White wrote: | | Nice overview Andrew, and thanks for seeing this is me pursuing my thing, not anyone elses |
Do remember about Common Law. A house divided cannot stand.
Matthew
12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? |
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All set for tomorrow's talk
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