Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 waterboards 4 9/11 confession
What is going on here? Why a showtrial at Ground Zero? It could be a way to re-iterate the official 9/11 Myth ... or this trial might expose CIA links to 'al Qaeda'? Trials with jurys can throw up some suprises! It depends if KSM's defence is all about pushing the KSM myth (that he was the 'mastermind' behind 9/11) or a way of getting to the truth. Will he even put up a defence? Its going to be a crazy event, whatever happens.
Accused 9/11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed faces New York trial
November 13, 2009 -- Updated 1901 GMT (0301 HKT)
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed reportedly confessed to being the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks after being waterboarded.
* NEW: Five 9/11 suspects to be tried together, attorney general says
* NEW: No venue set for military commissions for five other suspects
* Administration extending terrorists' rights, Republicans say
* CIA, Justice admit suspects were waterboarded
Washington (CNN) -- Five Guantanamo Bay detainees with alleged ties to the 9/11 conspiracy, including accused mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be transferred to New York to go on trial in civilian court, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Friday.
Mohammed, Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, Walid bin Attash, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi will all be transferred to the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York -- a short distance from the World Trade Center towers that were destroyed in the September 11 attacks.
"After eight years of delay, those allegedly responsible for the attacks of September 11th will finally face justice," Holder said.
He said he expected all five to be tried together and for prosecutors to seek the death penalty. The trial would be open to the public, although some portions that deal with classified information may be closed, Holder said.
"Based on all of my experience and based on all of the recommendations and the great work and the research that has been done, I am quite confident that the outcomes in these cases will be successful," he said.
He also expressed confidence that an impartial jury would be found "to ensure a fair trial in New York."
Of the 2,752 people killed in the 9/11 attacks, 2,606 died when terrorists crashed two hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center towers.
Holder also announced that five other detainees held at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, will be sent to military commissions for trial. They were identified as Omar Khadr, Mohammed Kamin, Ibrahim al Qosi, Noor Uthman Muhammed and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.
Al-Nashiri is an accused mastermind of the deadly 2000 bombing of the USS Cole; Khadr is a Canadian charged with the 2002 murder of a U.S. military officer in Afghanistan. Khadr was 15 years old when he was captured in July 2002.
Holder said a venue for the military commissions has not been set.
Mohammed "will be subject to the most exacting demands of justice," President Obama said Friday in Japan.
"The American people insist on it, and my administration will insist on it," Obama told reporters at a joint news conference with Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama.
Mohammed is the confessed organizer of the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and the Pentagon. But his confession could be called into question during trial. A 2005 Justice Department memo -- released by the Obama administration -- revealed he had been waterboarded 183 times in March 2003.
The CIA has also admitted using waterboarding on al-Nashiri, the first person charged in the United States for the 2000 attack on the USS Cole in Yemen that killed 17 U.S. sailors.
Obama has called the technique, which simulates drowning, torture.
The alleged 9/11 conspirators are among 215 men held by the U.S. military at the Guantanamo prison camp. The Obama administration has vowed to close the detention facility but acknowledges it is unlikely to happen by its self-imposed January 22, 2010, deadline.
Bringing some of the world's top terror suspects to be tried in New York has already sparked outrage, as well as security concerns.
"Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the most wanted terrorist in the world. Everyone in the world is going to know precisely where he is at precisely one time," CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said. "The Foley courthouse could become the focus of a great deal of interest from terrorists. That's going to take a tremendous security effort."
Watch Toobin list the challenges of this trial
U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, issued a statement Friday denouncing the decision to try the 9/11 suspects as "common criminals."
"The attacks of September 11th were an act of war," Cornyn said. "Reverting to a pre-9/11 approach to fighting terrorism and bringing these dangerous individuals onto U.S. soil needlessly compromises the safety of all Americans. Putting political ideology ahead of the safety of the American people just to fulfill an ill-conceived campaign promise is irresponsible."
Texas Rep. Lamar Smith, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said the decision meant Mohammed and the other defendants would be able to claim new protections, including Miranda and Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure.
"America already gives terrorists more constitutional rights than any other country," Smith said. "The administration should not prioritize the rights of terrorists over the rights of Americans to be safe and secure."
But Kristen Breitweiser, whose husband was killed on 9/11, said she welcomed the trial.
"Some would say New York would now be a target by allowing his [Mohammed's] trial to take place in New York, but I disagree," she told CNN. Breitweiser still lives in the New York area. "It would give many of us access to attend the hearings."
She also said that for some who lost loved ones on 9/11, "this will be our opportunity to see justice served and have our day in court.
"Our ability to prosecute terrorists successfully in open courtrooms has less to do with the our judicial process and more to do with Bush's policy on torture that will make these prosecutions more difficult," she said.
CNN Justice Producer Terry Frieden in Washington and Chris Kokenes in New York contributed to this report.
KSM, who was a US agent before being captured on WoT, was then water-boarded 183 times in a month (plus a mass of other torture) and had his family threatened, has been in a US manufactured "bubble" for eight years or so. Apparently he has been very cooperative for a long time now...
So he will confess. And put on a good show. Will anybody look for or even spot any anomalies in his story? Er no.
Will anybody ask how did you demolish the WTC buildings and where did you get the nanothermite? Er... no.
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: Mobilise anti-truth in NY
A judge for no good reason recently turned down a NY petition to reinvestigate 911.
this trial is meant to;
- stand in for this reinvestigation for the NY public
- mobilise support in NY for the official conspiracy theory
- sideline the 911 movement in NY.
KSM has already "confessed" so there in fact won't be much evidence aired in court. There will be a long line of patsy saying we did it. That might convince some people who signed the petition.
scienceplease,
please tell us your source for saying KSM worked for US intelligence.
No one exemplifies the model of the terrorist entrepreneur more clearly than Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks. Khalid followed a long path to his eventual membership in al Qaeda. Highly educated and equally comfortable in a government office or a terrorist safehouse, KSM applied his imagination, technical aptitude, and managerial skills to hatching and planning an extraordinary array of terrorist schemes. These ideas included conventional car bombing, political assassination, aircraft bombing, hijacking, reservoir poisoning, and, ultimately, the use of aircraft as missiles guided by suicide operatives.
Like his nephew Ramzi Yousef (three years KSM’s junior), KSM grew up in Kuwait but traces his ethnic lineage to the Baluchistan region straddling Iran and Pakistan. Raised in a religious family, KSM claims to have joined the Muslim Brotherhood at age 16 and to have become enamored of violent jihad at youth camps in the desert. In 1983, following his graduation from secondary school, KSM left Kuwait to enroll at Chowan College, a small Baptist school in Murfreesboro, North Carolina. After a semester at Chowan, KSM transferred to North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in Greensboro, which he attended with Yousef’s brother,another future al Qaeda member. KSM earned a degree in mechanical engineering in December 1986.
Although he apparently did not attract attention for extreme Islamist beliefs or activities while in the United States, KSM plunged into the anti-Soviet Afghan jihad soon after graduating from college. Visiting Pakistan for the first time in early 1987, he traveled to Peshawar, where his brother Zahid introduced him to the famous Afghan mujahid Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, head of the Hizbul-Ittihad El-Islami (Islamic Union Party). Sayyaf became KSM’s mentor and provided KSM with military training at Sayyaf’s Sada camp. KSM claims he then fought the Soviets and remained at the front for three months before being summoned to perform administrative duties for Abdullah Azzam. KSM next took a job working for an electronics firm that catered to the communications needs of Afghan groups, where he learned about drills used to excavate caves in Afghanistan.
If KSM was fighting the Soviets after graduating from a US university then he must have been working for the US. (Ref Charlie Wilson's War). What "electronics firm" could he have been working for? (I suspect an American one).
He may have had a change of heart in the 1990s, but we know the WTC 1993 bombing, with which he was associated, was also infiltrated by FBI agents... but the clincher comes in this article:
which states KSM's file was "highly classified" which means at the minimum that a covert agent was working very closely with KSM (making him a patsy or pawn to US control) or, more likely, just like OBL, he was himself still a US controlled asset. OBL, himself, worked for the US Government up until 9/11 according to Sibel Edmonds.
Mohammed reportedly admitted to a long list of attacks or plots
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who faces charges in connection with the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US, is regarded as one of the most senior operatives in Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.
The Pentagon says he has admitted to being responsible "from A to Z" for the attacks in New York and Washington.
At a hearing to determine whether he was an "enemy combatant" who should remain in detention at Guantanamo Bay, he also reportedly said he had personally decapitated kidnapped US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 and admitted to a role in 30 plots.
He was captured in Pakistan in March 2003 and sent to the US detention centre in Cuba in 2006.
He was indicted in 1996 with plotting to blow up 11 or 12 American airliners flying from south-east Asia to the United States in January, 1995.
According to the transcripts released, the self-proclaimed head of al-Qaeda's military committee admitted to:
* The organisation, planning, follow-up and execution of the 9/11 operation
* Responsibility for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center in New York, the bombing of nightclubs in Bali in 2002 and a Kenyan hotel in the same year
* Responsibility for the failed attempt by the so-called shoe bomber, Richard Reid, to bring down an American plane
* Plots to attack Heathrow Airport, Canary Wharf and Big Ben in London, to hit targets in Israel, and to blow up the Panama Canal
* A plot to hit towers in the US cities of Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago and the Empire State Building in New York, and to attack US nuclear power stations
* Plots to assassinate the late Pope John Paul II and former US President Bill Clinton
Oh and I thought they said that Osama Bin Laden had masterminded it! Then is the confession of someone who has been tortured reliable? Who are they trying to kid?
Please note that after Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is "Almost Brain Dead" _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: KSM, CIA
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Raised in a religious family, KSM claims to have joined the Muslim Brotherhood at age 16 and to have become enamored of violent jihad at youth camps in the desert. In 1983, following his graduation from secondary school, KSM left Kuwait to enroll at Chowan College, a small Baptist school in Murfreesboro, North Carolina. After a semester at Chowan, KSM transferred to North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in Greensboro, which he attended with Yousef’s brother,another future al Qaeda member. KSM earned a degree in mechanical engineering in December 1986.
If this is what the official theory is saying, it's clearly nonsense. They tell us that there are religious extremists and that KSM is one of them. They say he joined the Muslim Brotherhood at 16. Why is this extremist going off to the US to study? A Baptist school at that. In their own terms, this makes no sense.
I've also heard that KSM was a Pakistani ISI agent. Apparently, he lived in Karachi (I think) in an area full of ISI and openly socialised with them.
And have you seen that ridiculous latest photo of him supposedly taken in Guantanamo Bay, or wherever he's supposed to be. THis is a photo taken by an advertising photographer. For what purpose would KSM want to be taken in photo like that? The clothes look as if they were bought especially for the shot!
And is it me, or does the person in the various KSM photos keep changing?
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject:
Obama's great 9/11 gamble with the trial of an alleged Twin Towers plotter
..........According to a new book by a former employee of the National Security Agency, the spy agency was eavesdropping for more than a year on the two lead hijackers, knowing they'd been sent to America by Osama bin Laden.
Astonishingly, they'd holed up at a motel in Laurel, Maryland - close to the NSA headquarters. Yet the NSA agents listening in to their phone calls never sought a warrant to pinpoint the exact location. Nor did they inform the CIA or FBI of the plotters' presence.
Torture could doom N.Y. trial against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and 9/11 terrorists
The government’s decision to prosecute alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four co-conspirators as criminals puts the issue of torture squarely before the federal courts.
Given the government’s acknowledgment that Mohammed and his co-defendants were subject to harsh interrogation techniques that included repeated waterboarding, it cannot avoid the issue, no matter what evidence it chooses to use.
http://blog.nj.com/njv_guest_blog/2009/11/torture_could_doom_ny_trial_ ag.html _________________ --
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Martin Van Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Martin Van Creveld: I'll quote Henry Kissinger: "In campaigns like this the antiterror forces lose, because they don't win, and the rebels win by not losing."
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject:
TonyGosling wrote:
Obama's great 9/11 gamble with the trial of an alleged Twin Towers plotter
..........According to a new book by a former employee of the National Security Agency, the spy agency was eavesdropping for more than a year on the two lead hijackers, knowing they'd been sent to America by Osama bin Laden.
Astonishingly, they'd holed up at a motel in Laurel, Maryland - close to the NSA headquarters. Yet the NSA agents listening in to their phone calls never sought a warrant to pinpoint the exact location. Nor did they inform the CIA or FBI of the plotters' presence.
Add to that the fact that F77's Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, the two known "watchlisters" who were allowed to enter the USA & who were living with an FBI informant pre-9/11 with their names in the phone book under that address and you have to laugh LOUD AND HARD in the face of anyone who believes the OCT. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/bobzimmerfan?feature=mhum#p/a
Obama and Holder gaffes could influence 9/11 trial, lawyers say
Barack Obama's suggestion that the alleged September 11 mastermind would be convicted could affect the verdict in the trial, legal experts have warned.
Remarks by the US president and Eric Holder, the Attorney General, forecasting a conviction for the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed could create unnecessary delays in the trial, analysts said.
Defence lawyers were sure to apply to have the charges dismissed after Mr Obama made an overarching effort to reassure Americans that the decision to put Mohammed on trial at a federal court in New York was sound.
"I don't think it will be offensive at all when he's convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him," the president said in an NBC interview on his tour of Asia, which ended late on Thursday.
Seeming to realise the potential for trouble in his answer, the president - a lawyer and former law professor - added: "What I said was, people will not be offended if that's the outcome. I'm not pre-judging, I'm not going to be in that courtroom, that's the job of prosecutors, the judge and the jury."
Testifying before Congress, Mr Holder said "failure was not an option" for prosecutors. "These are cases that have to be won," he said. Mohammed will be put on trial with four alleged co-conspirators in the suicide plane hijackings that claimed nearly 3,000 lives.
Charles Stimson, a lawyer and former Pentagon official who used to oversee detainee policy at Guantanamo Bay, told The Daily Telegraph: "The defence will file a pre-trial motion seeking to have the charges dismissed. It will say 'what juror is not going to want to now fulfill the president's and the attorney general's desire?' " Lawyers were also likely to use the comments in questions to jurors and to demand a wider jury pool, slowing the trial, and would repeatedly return to the president's and Mr Holder's comments in a bid to sway jurors.
"You are looking for that one juror, that lone wolf, who won't convict," he said. Federal courts require a unanimous verdict to convict any offence.
Calling Mr Holder "careless", he added: "This was braggadocio and puffery to convince the American people they know what they are doing, but it will create all sorts of legal issues that the defence will rightly try to exploit."
Jonathan Turley, a constitutional scholar, told MSNBC that the president knew his words were problematic.
"The great irony is that in defending this noble decision of his to give a fair trial to these men, he then crossed the line," he said.
...
"The reality is... a case like this, the government is put on trial," he told CBS. "The more exciting headlines will be the headlines against the government. The headlines will be, '180 waterboardings. The CIA did this terrible thing and that terrible thing to me.' Some of it will be lies and some of it will be true."
9-11 Widows Take Stand Supporting Federal Trials in NYC
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NEW YORK, Dec. 4 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- U.S. Representative Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Brigadier General (ret.) James P. Cullen and four 9/11 widows who were largely responsible for the establishment of the 9/11 Commission that examined the tragic events of that day say efforts to block federal trials for the men accused of plotting the attacks threaten national security and delay justice for thousands of victims' family members in New York and across the nation. The group will hold a conference call on Friday, Dec. 4 at 1 p.m. to discuss their concerns and urge that the facts be put before fear-mongering as the trials approach.
This conference call comes just one day before the 9/11 Never Forget Coalition plans to gather at the federal court house, a site that is within Rep. Nadler's New York City district, to protest the trials. Participants on the call say that coalition, which has close ties to Liz Cheney's Keep America Safe organization and was joined by ultra-conservative "Tea Baggers" during a press conference last week, does not speak for all elected officials, national security experts or 9/11 victims' family members - many of whom support Attorney General Eric Holder's decision to hold suspected 9/11 terrorists accountable in federal courts. They note that federal courts are the only venue that has successfully tried such cases and that bringing these common criminals before military commissions threatens soldiers overseas who face an enemy that uses "special courts" as a recruiting tool.
WHAT: Congressman, Retired General, 9/11 Widows Support Federal Trials in NYC
Say fear-mongering tactics threaten national security, justice for suspected terrorists
WHEN: Friday, December 4 at 1 p.m. EST
WHO: U.S. Representative Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Brigadier General (ret.) James P. Cullen
Lorie Van Auken, 9/11 Widow
Monica Gabrielle, 9/11 Widow
CALL INFO: 800-894-5910; Code: Human Rights First
ABOUT THE PARTICIPANTS:
U.S. Representative Jerrold Nadler represents New York's Eighth Congressional district. The Eighth, one of the most diverse districts in the nation, includes Manhattan's West Side below 89th Street, Lower Manhattan, and areas of Brooklyn including Borough Park, Coney Island, Brighton Beach, Sea Gate, Bay Ridge, and Bensonhurst. Congressman Nadler was first elected to the House of Representatives in 1992 after serving for 16 years in the New York State Assembly. He was re-elected to his seventh full term in 2004 with a resounding 80 percent of the vote. Throughout his career he has championed civil rights, civil liberties, efficient transportation, and a host of progressive issues such as access to health care, support for the arts and protection of the Social Security system. He is considered an unapologetic defender of those who might otherwise be forgotten by American law or the economy, and is respected specifically for his creative and pragmatic legislative approaches. Rep. Nadler is an Assistant Whip and a senior member of both the House Judiciary Committee and the House Transportation Committee.
Brigadier General (ret.) James P. Cullen is a retired Brigadier General in the United States Army Reserve Judge Advocate General's Corps and last served as the Chief Judge (IMA) of the U.S. Army Court of Criminal Appeals. He currently practices law in New York City. Cullen was among the military leaders who stood with President Obama in the Oval Office as he signed Executive Orders ending the use of torture and ordering the closure of the Guantanamo detention facility and joined dozens of military leaders urging Congress to stay the course toward closure of the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and to see past the fear-mongering tactics designed to delay the Administration's efforts to close the facility and bring those held there to justice.
Lorie Van Auken knows first-hand why the federal trials in New York City are important to 9/11 widows. Van Auken, the mother of two, lost her husband Kenneth Van Auken in the September 11th terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. Lorie is one of the "Jersey Girls" who, along with Kristen Breitweiser, Mindy Kleinberg, and Patty Casazza, advocated for a commission to investigate the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Monica Gabrielle is a 9/11 widow who fought for the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center. She was also an advocate for the commission to investigate the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:24 pm Post subject: KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked
KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked
Don’t believe the charges until you’ve read the charge sheet
By Rolf Lindgren and Dr. Kevin Barrett
The charge sheet against KSM and his co-defendants lists alleged overt acts, numbered 1 to 169, which the government claims furthered the 9/11 conspiracy. For the government to win the case, they need to convince the jury that each defendant committed at least one overt act that furthered the alleged conspiracy. A quick perusal of the charge sheet, however, shows no evident connection between the vast majority of these overt acts and any alleged conspiracy to commit mass murder.
In the Knox/Kercher case, Knox's father complains that his daughter's human rights were broken because tapes of her first night's 14 hour long interview were not available. Indeed he complains that she was prompted to make false accusations...
I have some sympathy but this is nothing comapred KSM's interrogation! Even if he was guilty (like he had access to nanothermite and remote controlled airliners) then surely just the torture process KSM received would invalidate any independent legal process... (Conclusion: he will not receive any such treatment).
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: Rolf Lindgren discusses KSM witch trial on F&B
Rolf Lindgren discusses KSM witch trial on F&B
Tuesday, December 22nd, 9 a.m. - 10 a.m. Pacific (noon - 1 pm Eastern) on Fair and Balanced, http://www.noliesradio.org, archived a few hours later here: Rolf Lindgren, lead author, KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked
James Madison wrote:
KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked
Don’t believe the charges until you’ve read the charge sheet
By Rolf Lindgren and Dr. Kevin Barrett
The charge sheet against KSM and his co-defendants lists alleged overt acts, numbered 1 to 169, which the government claims furthered the 9/11 conspiracy. For the government to win the case, they need to convince the jury that each defendant committed at least one overt act that furthered the alleged conspiracy. A quick perusal of the charge sheet, however, shows no evident connection between the vast majority of these overt acts and any alleged conspiracy to commit mass murder.
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: POLITICO Breaking News:
POLITICO Breaking News:
"The Obama administration on Friday abandoned plans to try 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Manhattan, following objections from New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a senior administration official said. The accused terrorist will be tried domestically, but officials have not decided where.... Options for the trial include a military base."
For a demonstration that these men are innocent, please see my detailed legal analysis here:
KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked
Don’t believe the charges until you’ve read the charge sheet http://www.truthjihad.com/ksm.htm
There is too big of a risk of a fair jury in Manhattan.
KSM Conspiracy Charges Analyzed and Debunked
Don’t believe the charges until you’ve read the charge sheet By Rolf Lindgren and Dr. Kevin Barrett
December 9, 2009 http://www.truthjihad.com/ksm.htm
Coupled with the 'ashamed' IDFs in the Gruaniad today, does this mean we can now call a grave-digging implement a spade around here without a blanket of misdirected Quakerism?
Dreyfus,The Protocols And The Goldstone Report
By politicaltheatricsPublished: February 14, 2010
Alan Dershowitz on Judge Goldstone: “But now I see him as a traitor… It’s as if they would have taken a Jew to edit the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He uses his Jewish last name to kosher his slander of the Jewish People.”
For those who still cannot make their minds up about Jewish nationalism and the Zionist violent abuse of Western academic culture (tolerance, academic freedom, pluralism etc) Rabbi Shmully Hecht of Yale’s University Jewish society, gives an exemplary opportunity to see it all. Rabbi Hecht confronted Judge Goldstone last week while Goldstone was delivering an address at Yale University. Rabbi Hecht and his supporters held up a sign at the back of the conference room equating the Goldstone report with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Dreyfus affair.
For a while, the Dreyfus affair and the Protocols were pretty effective Zionist propaganda tools, they were used mainly to silence criticism of Jewish power, Jewish lobbying and Israel. However, it is about time to face the truth.
Drawing a parallel between the Dreyfus affair, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Goldstone report can also produce an interesting insight, but not for the reasons Rabbi Hecht or Dershowitz suggest. It allows us to look at Zionism in an historical perspective. We can review where Zionism started from and what it matured into. ... ... ...
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U.S. trial unlikely for 9/11 suspect Mohammed: report
WASHINGTON | Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:21am EST (Reuters) - The self-proclaimed mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks probably will remain in military detention without trial for the foreseeable future, The Washington Post reported on Saturday, citing Obama administration officials.
The administration has concluded that it cannot put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on trial in federal court in New York City because of opposition from members of Congress and local officials, the Post said.
Alleged 9/11 mastermind to face new military trial at Guantánamo
War crimes tribunal could result in death penalty for accused terrorists as controvery lingers over decision on a military trial
Staff and agencies
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 April 2012 18.19 BST
Article history
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged 9/11 mastermind. Photograph:AP
The alleged September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four suspected co-conspirators will face a new trial before a Guantánamo war crimes tribunal on charges that could carry the death penalty, the Pentagon has said.
The five are accused of planning and executing 2001 hijacked airliner attacks on New York, Washington and Shanksville, Pennsylvania, resulting in the deaths of 2,976 people.
They are charged with terrorism, hijacking an aircraft, conspiracy, murder in violation of the law of war and other counts, and were referred to a capital military tribunal, meaning they could be sentenced to death if convicted, the Pentagon said on Wednesday.
President Barack Obama halted the previous trial and wanted them prosecuted in civilian court. Congress opposed the move and the administration was forced to shift it back to Guantánamo.
The decision to refer the case to a military commission means the five will be arraigned before a military judge at Guantánamo Bay Naval Station in Cuba within 30 days.
The US attorney general, Eric Holder, blamed lawmakers for the policy reversal, saying their decision to block funding for prosecuting the suspects in a New York court had tied the administration's hands and forced it to move to a military trial.
The American Civil Liberties Union condemned the decision on Wednesday to proceed with a military trial.
"The Obama administration is making a terrible mistake by prosecuting the most important terrorism trials of our time in a second-tier system of justice," ACLU executive director Anthony Romero said in a statement.
"Whatever verdict comes out of the Guantánamo military commissions will be tainted by an unfair process and the politics that wrongly pulled these cases from federal courts, which have safely and successfully handled hundreds of terrorism trials," he said. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject:
Guantánamo trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is on again
Military prosecutors, who were given the cases against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four others, have a month to arraign the 9/11 defendants, all of whom potentially face a death sentence.
By Warren Richey, Staff writer / April 4, 2012
Charges accusing the five men of involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks were formally referred to prosecutors on Wednesday for trial before a military commission at a special high-security judicial complex at the US Naval Base, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
The military prosecutors have a month to arraign the defendants. All five potentially face a death sentence.
The action was expected, but it marks a sharp reversal by the Obama administration, which in 2009 dismissed military charges against these same men and announced that they would instead be tried in a civilian federal court in New York City.
Guantanamo Bay ten years and counting
Those plans were reversed after Congress blocked the transfer of any Guantánamo detainees to the US, including for the purpose of standing trial. A US district judge in New York dismissed a federal indictment in April 2011, ending the prospect of a trial in civilian court.
The men are accused of playing various roles in the coordinated 9/11 attacks. Two commercial airliners were flown into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York, causing their collapse, a third jet slammed into the Pentagon, and a fourth airliner, believed headed to the Capitol Building or the White House, crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers rose up against the hijackers. Nearly 3,000 individuals died that day.
Mr. Mohammed has previously claimed responsibility for planning the attacks and assembling the team that carried them out. He will occupy center stage at the trial and at any pretrial hearings. The four others are alleged to have played significantly lesser roles in the plot, allegedly providing training or logistics help to the hijackers.
In addition to Mohammed, the listed defendants include: Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin ‘Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi.
While the historic trial seeks to bring a measure of justice to the victims of the attacks and their survivors, it will be closely watched by human rights advocates, who view the commission process as second-class justice.
The Obama administration worked with Congress to inject more safeguards into the trial process than were in the military commissions as they existed under the Bush administration. But critics say they still fall short of the kind of fair trial guarantees necessary in a case that carries the ultimate punishment – death.
“The Obama administration is making a terrible mistake by prosecuting the most important terrorism trials of our time in a second-tier system of justice,” Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement.
“Whatever verdict comes out of the Guantánamo military commissions will be tainted by an unfair process and the politics that wrongly pulled these cases from federal courts, which have safely and successfully handled hundreds of terrorism trials,” he said.
Mr. Romero said military commission procedures and special rules of evidence are designed to win “easy convictions,” and to hide the harsh interrogation tactics – including waterboarding – that Mohammed was subjected to.
“Those who plotted the 9/11 attacks must be prosecuted for their crimes. The families of those lost on 9/11 deserve justice, as do all Americans,” said Dixon Osburn of Human Rights First, in a statement.
KSM: "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z"...
Among his myriad confessions, the chap who is alleged to be KSM, also, allegedly, fingered another chap, allegedly called Al-Brittani, yet another footnote in the 9/11 Commission Report, who was alleged to have been sent to NYC to survey potential terrorist targets.
Until we know where KSM family are and whether the other four defendants are allowed to speak separately then the whole trial is going to be just be a masquerade.
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