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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How the books were cooked!

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/cru-data-cooking-recipe-exposed/

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CRU Data-Cooking: Recipe Exposed!

Thanks to Eric Raymond, famous computer guru and leader of the open-source movement, at ESR, we can see what those sophisticated climate modelers were doing. They’ve found the code from the leaked files, and Eric’s comment is:

This isn’t just a smoking gun, it’s a siege cannon with the barrel still hot.




Here’s the code. The programmer has written in helpful notes that us non-programmers can understand, like this one: “Apply a very artificial correction for decline”. You get the feeling this climate programmer didn’t like pushing the data around so blatantly. Note the technical comment: “fudge factor”.

; Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!
;
yrloc=[1400,findgen(19)*5.+1904]
valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,- 0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6,$
2.6,2.6,2.6]*0.75 ; fudge factor
if n_elements(yrloc) ne n_elements(valadj) then message,’Oooops!’

The numbers in a row, in the [ ] brackets, are the numbers the data are to be altered by. If there were no adjustments, they’d all be zero. It’s obvious there is no attempt to treat all the data equally, or use a rigorous method to make adjustments. What could their reasons be?
East Anglia Data Adjustments

In 1900-1920: “All thermometers working accurately”.

In 1930: “Stock market crash and global depression causes artificial inflation in temperatures. Corrected, using inverted Dow Jones index until 1940″.

1940: “Due to WWII, briefly, thermometers work again”.

1945: “Artificial rise due to Nagasaki/Hiroshima effect. Compensated.”

1950 – 2000: “Quality control at thermometer factories must be going to pieces. Thermometers are just reading too low, and it kept getting worse until 1970. Instead of demanding the factories get it right, simply adjust the data. Still not enough. Quality control puts air-conditioning exhaust vents close to thermometers in the field, to further counteract apparent factory problem.”

Ladies and gentlemen, I’m seriously concerned. All along I’ve said the world was warming. Now I’m not so sure. How would we know? How does anyone know in the light of all that data fudging?

That hacker or leaker of info deserves glory and thanks.

Serious postscript: How can anyone defend this? These people work for a team that wants more of your money. Is this not evidence of criminal intent to deceive?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who stands to gain from the scam?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/specials/rich_list/arti cle5821334.ece

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Eco barons lead the way
From The Sunday Times, March 1, 2009
Philip Beresford

Read the Green Rich List here

THE global rich are going green as never before. This first Sunday Times Green Rich List shows that the enthusiasm among the world’s wealthiest for investments in areas as diverse as electric cars, solar power and geothermal energy is unaffected by the recession.

The Green List has unearthed 100 tycoons or wealthy families worth £200m or more who have made either serious investments in green technology and businesses or hefty financial commitments to environmental causes. In total, the Green 100 are worth nearly £267 billion.

This enormous sum demonstrates that many of the world’s richest tycoons and entrepreneurs have embraced environmentalism. Indeed, our list is dominated by America’s wealthiest financiers and entrepreneurs such as Warren Buffett (worth £27 billion) and Bill Gates (worth £26 billion).
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These two canny investors, who regularly swap places at the top of Forbes magazine’s annual list of world billionaires, have spent some of their financial firepower on areas such as wind power and electric cars in Buffett’s case, while Gates has backed alternative fuels such as oil from algae. We are not talking trifling sums here. Buffett has invested $230m in the Hong Kong battery-maker BYD.

Many of the 35 Americans in the Top 100 are drawn from Silicon Valley. Having made their first fortunes in microchips, the internet or software, the likes of Google’s Larry Page and Sergey Brin (each worth £7.5 billion) are turning to green investments with all the entrepreneurial zeal that made their first fortunes.

It helps that the Obama administration is committed to a huge stimulus package involving the very technologies that investors are focusing on.

Even tycoons who are not in President Barack Obama’s camp have moved into alternative energy, none more so than T Boone Pickens, oil explorer, corporate raider and a Texan Republican to his core. He is using part of his £1.8 billion fortune on filling the huge and windy Texas Panhandle with turbines as part of his Pickens Plan to wean America off its dependence on foreign energy.

American money may be chasing smarter and greener technologies, while the Chinese rich on our list are definitely about mass production of green technologies.

The 17 Chinese tycoons in the Top 100 are concentrated at the bottom end of the list and they are almost exclusively involved in solar and electric-car technology. It is a ferociously competitive market with unremitting pressure to cut costs and gain market share.

As such, all the Chinese fortunes have been hammered as share prices have fallen sharply. A year ago, many would have been in the Top 50, but not now. Indeed, some of them will not survive the steep downturn they are now battling through. But out of it will emerge winners selling much cheaper and more technically advanced products to a huge market worldwide.

There are 10 British or British-based tycoons on the list. None is going head-to-head with the Chinese in mass production. And they are not taking the German route. The seven German tycoons are largely involved in wind turbines and the like. This is a bespoke market — meat and drink to the German industrial sector.

The pity is that aside from Sir Richard Branson, who is investing in alternative fuels, there are no real British equivalents of Aloys Wobben. A German engineering graduate, Wobben started Enercon in 1984, building his first wind turbine in his back garden. Today the company employs 6,000 staff and exports sophisticated turbines all over the world.

German entrepreneurs who have made their fortunes elsewhere are also moving into green technology in a serious way, defying the prevailing economic gloom.

Twins Andreas and Thomas Strungmann built a £6.8 billion pharmaceutical fortune. Having sold their pharma business, they put many millions into saving a German solar company early last year just as the economic outlook worsened.

America’s wealthy are not just investing in new technology, they are also spending their fortunes on direct environmental activism, saving large tracts of wilderness from developers, endowing university research into green energy, climate change and the like.

This can have a huge impact in changing the mood in favour of more green activism on the political front, making the climate right for Obama to push through radical green initiatives that would not have been contemplated in George Bush’s presidency.

There is little evidence of any appetite among Britain’s super-rich for this approach. Firmly rooted in property, finance or retailing, they have little time or surplus wealth for anything other than lip service to green issues.

They are also involved in firefighting to keep their businesses afloat. When the recession is over, there are precious few forecasters who think the City and the like will return to its glory days.

With traditional factories and industries closing in record numbers, where will Britain’s future prosperity come from? It is a sobering thought.

Dr Philip Beresford has compiled The Sunday Times Rich List since 1989
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

item8 wrote:
Serious postscript: How can anyone defend this? These people work for a team that wants more of your money. Is this not evidence of criminal intent to deceive?


They defend it by looking at the context, and seeing what follows.

;
;filter_cru,5.,/nan,tsin=yyy+yearlyadj,tslow=tslow
;oplot,timey,tslow,thick=5,color=20
 ;


"IDL uses a semi-colon to indicate a comment, so the only code to use yearlyadj has been commented out.
Raymond must have known this since he is an Emacs user and
Emacs colour codes the comments. This doesn't seem to be a
smoking so much as a gun that hasn't been fired.

Furthermore, another piece of commented out code shows how the adjusted values were used: they were clearly labelled as "MXD corrected" and plotted along with the uncorrected values. They were not shown as temperature values despite what Raymond says".
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/12/quote_mining_code.php#comments

What Raymond and the other excitables have to do is show how the code was used to falsify data which hasn't been done whatsoever.

And if you think climate scientists don't run simulations with other values in them to check on possible scenarios, God knows what you think they do at work all day.

That's the problem with stolen information - it has no context.
And as can be seen, along with all the other misleading nonsense distortions from the hack job this episode is going nowhere despite the initial hype.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

item8 wrote:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/climategate.php

Very lengthy article highlighting major scams and deceptions throughout history, culminating in the biggest of them all, the current Man made climate change lie. The following is just a small part.

IPCC predictions in yellow/orange, real world in blue/green.


I happen to have IPCC AR4 WG1 TS (74 pages), IPCC AR4 WG2 TS (56 pages), IPCC AR4 WG3 (70 pages) and IPCC AR4 Sythesis Report (52 pages) and this graph doesn't appear in any of them.

Could you give the true source?
Otherwise it looks like plain old denier fraudulent information, again.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="item8"]http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/4731

But its only the "Deniers" who get funding!!! From Big Oil!!! Why, I myself have received ........... nothing.

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Detroit News: Climategate prof raked in $22.6 million in grants

University of East Anglia Professor Phil Jones, the head of the Climate Research Unit that fudged data in order to con people into believing Global Warming, raked in £13.7 million ($22.6 million) in grants, Frank Beckmann of the Detroit News reported.


... in which the denier machine shows it doesn't understand how academic funding works and imagines the scientists pocket the money.
And the wingnuts believe it.

Hilarious.

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"IDL uses a semi-colon to indicate a comment, so the only code to use yearlyadj has been commented out.

And the reason the code was there in the first place is??? Ermmm!!!???
Like a bank robber who gives a "this is a hold up - give me your money" note to a tiller then tries to erase it but leaves the tracing of it behind. "Honest - its a blank piece of paper!!! I never done nuthing"

Desperate desperate desperate! Hilarious. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

item8 wrote:
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/4140/Geologist-appalled-at-NYTs-Krugman- Legitimate-scientists-do-not-doctor-datahijack-peerreviewsend-fraudule nt-data-to-UN-that-is-used-to-perpetuate-greatest-hoax-in-the-history- of-science

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Geologist 'appalled' at NYT's Krugman: 'Legitimate scientists do not doctor data...hijack peer-review...send fraudulent data to UN that is used to perpetuate greatest hoax in the history of science'

Legitimate scientists do not 'provide false data to further legislation on climate change that will result in huge profits for corrupt lobbyists and politicians'
Sunday, November 29, 2009By Marc Morano – Climate Depot

Prominent Geologist Dr. Don Easterbrook's comments were originally published on ABC News website in reaction to New York Times Columnist Paul Krugman's dismissal of the significance of ClimateGate. Dr. Easterbrook is an Emeritus Professor at Western Washington University who has authored eight books and 150 journal publications. Easterbrook's full resume is here.

Geologist Dr. Don Easterbrook - November 29, 2009

"I've spent four decades studying global climate change and as a scientist I am appalled at [NYT's Paul] Krugman's cavalier shrugging off the Hadley email scandal as 'just the way scientists talk among themselves.' That's like saying it's alright for politicians to be corrupt because that's the way they are."


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Legitimate scientists do not doctor data
,

..and there's no evidence they have done so.

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delete data they don't like


..and there's no evidence they have done so.

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hide data they don't want seen,


..and there's no evidence they have done so.
"Hiding the decline" does not mean that whatsoever.

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hijack the peer review process


Nobody gets to do that, however much they might like to.

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personally attack other scientists whose views differ from theirs


Huh? All professionals attack those they don't like!
Why would climate scientists be different?

Quote:
send fraudulent data to the IPCC that is used to perpetuate the greatest hoax in the history of science,


No evidence for that either, Don.

[quote]provide false data to further legislation on climate change that will result in huge profits for corrupt lobbyists and politicians, and tell outright lies about scientific data."[/b] [End Easterbrook statement.]

And with a further charge with, again no evidence, Don you score a big fat zero.

But you tried your best and showed willing.
I'm sure they won't be too cross with you.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AWWWWW!!!


http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/uk-climate-scientist-to-221080.ht ml

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UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

LONDON — Britain's University of East Anglia says the director of its prestigious Climatic Research Unit is stepping down pending an investigation into allegations that he overstated the case for man-made climate change.

The university says Phil Jones will relinquish his position until the completion of an independent review into allegations that he worked to alter the way in which global temperature data was presented.

The allegations were made after more than a decade of correspondence between leading British and U.S. scientists were posted to the Web following the security breach last month.

The e-mails were seized upon by some skeptics of man-made climate change as proof that scientists are manipulating the data about its extent.

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December 01, 2009 01:30 PM EST

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its time for the Tar and Feathers

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/11/29/ lawrence-solomon-climategate-the-investigations-begin.aspx

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Lawrence Solomon: Climategate --The investigations begin
Posted: November 29, 2009, 5:23 PM by Lawrence Solomon

Penn State University has announced that it has begun an investigation of the work of Michael Mann, the director of its Earth System Science Center, following revelations contained in the Climategate documents that have emerged from East Anglia University in the UK. This decision follows close on the heels of a decision Saturday at East Anglia University to release climate change related data, a reversal of its previous stance. In addition, according to East Anglia’s press office, it will soon be announcing details of its own investigation.

The announcement of the chair of the East Anglia inquiry and its terms of reference are expected to be made Monday.

Here is the full Penn State announcement:

University Reviewing Recent Reports on Climate Information

Professor Michael Mann is a highly regarded member of the Penn State faculty conducting research on climate change. Professor Mann’s research papers have been published in well respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. In November 2005, Representative Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY) requested that the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) convene a panel of independent experts to investigate Professor Mann’s seminal 1999 reconstruction of the global surface temperature over the past 1,000 years. The resulting 2006 report of the NAS panel (http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11676) concluded that Mann’s results were sound and has been subsequently supported by an array of evidence that includes additional large-scale surface temperature reconstructions.

In recent days a lengthy file of emails has been made public. Some of the questions raised through those emails may have been addressed already by the NAS investigation but others may not have been considered. The University is looking into this matter further, following a well defined policy used in such cases. No public discussion of the matter will occur while the University is reviewing the concerns that have been raised.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
The USA’s ex-Vice President, the propagandist Al Gore, got audiences going ‘Aaah!’ by saying the bears had ‘nowhere else to go’. Really? The picture was taken in August, when the Alaskan ice always melts. The polar bears were fine. Think about it.

They can swim and they weren’t far from land. Recent studies show that most polar bear populations are rising.

The world was warmer than it is now in the early Middle Ages, long before industrial activity increased CO2 output, a fact that the warming fanatics have worked very hard to obscure.

Oh, and the most important greenhouse gas by far is not CO2 but water vapour, which is not influenced by human activity at all.

Meanwhile, an English court of law (despite buying the CO2 argument) has identified nine significant errors of fact in Gore’s Oscar-winning alarmist film An Inconvenient Truth, ludicrously being inflicted on children in British schools.

Among these: sea levels are not going to rise by 20ft any time soon; there’s no evidence that atolls in the Pacific have been evacuated because of rising waters; the Gulf Stream is not going to shut down; the drying-up of Lake Chad, the shrinking of snow on Mount Kilimanjaro and Hurricane Katrina were none of them caused by global warming; the only polar bears that have drowned were four that died in a storm.

Booker also reminds us that even if all the measures demanded by the warming zealots were put into action, according to their own calculations this would only delay the effects they fear by six years.

In my experience, people who employ alarmism, and who turn with rage on their critics, do so because they lack confidence in their case. Watch their behaviour at the coming Copenhagen climate conference, a festival of panic and exaggerated woe.

This particular frenzy, if not checked, could end by bankrupting the West and leaving us sitting in the cold and the dark whistling for a wind to power our dead computers – while China and India surge on to growth and prosperity because they have had the sense to ignore the whole stupid thing.

* The Real Global Warming Disaster, by Christopher Booker, Continuum Books, £16.99.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1231694/The-inconvenient-tru ths-Mr-Gore-fanatical-friends-DIDNT-tell-climate-change.html


Tony, coming rather late to the party, all these denier canards have been covered in detail earlier - much earlier - in this thread.

The nine 'significant errors' in Gore's film are alleged errors, and the effort to prevent the film being shown at all failed despite Monckton's best efforts in assisting Dimmock.
The "significant errors" is now how the deniers spin losing their case.

Oh - and about the polar bears?
Just ask your denier exactly which colonies are thriving.
There's only the one that is (south Hudson Bay), which of course they cherry pick like the inveterate cherry pickers they are.
All in this thread.
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item8 wrote:
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"IDL uses a semi-colon to indicate a comment, so the only code to use yearlyadj has been commented out.

And the reason the code was there in the first place is??? Ermmm!!!???
Like a bank robber who gives a "this is a hold up - give me your money" note to a tiller then tries to erase it but leaves the tracing of it behind. "Honest - its a blank piece of paper!!! I never done nuthing"


As usual your understanding rivals your attention span.

You have to read the whole thing in context for your question to be explained.

Having to point that out really is hilarious.

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Its time for the Tar and Feathers

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/11/29/ lawrence-solomon-climategate-the-investigations-begin.aspx

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Lawrence Solomon: Climategate --The investigations begin
Posted: November 29, 2009, 5:23 PM by Lawrence Solomon

Penn State University has announced that it has begun an investigation of the work of Michael Mann, the director of its Earth System Science Center, following revelations contained in the Climategate documents that have emerged from East Anglia University in the UK.


Heh - Bush went after Hansen to silence him and got nothing.
I've no doubt Mann will easily withstand this attack, because the email theft turned up nothing (except for a lot of noise, distortion and wishful thinking from the denierati).

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No I don't read it, and the below was emailed to me.

But I take it as a further sign that the usual safe houses of the deniers are being slammed in their faces one by one, in order to soften the blow of the about-face that will soon be necessary to bring in the wonder that is geo-engineeering to combat AGW that will be marketed at us next.

And that really will need to be resisted at all costs.
I'd even welcome banjo7/8/whatever on board for the fight against that madness, which is saying quite something, believe me.

"You know what I don’t believe in? Engineering. Shameless pseudo-science. You want to watch out for those so-called ‘engineers’. See that bridge that fell down in Cumbria the other day? Lordy, they’ll be cashing in on that. Up they’ll pop with their ‘stress points’ and ‘foundations’ and other such insider-ish, clubby mumbo-jumbo. As though any of it actually meant something. As though bridges hadn’t been falling down forever, for no particular reason at all.

And medicine? God, that’s even worse. I mean, sure, sometimes you get a fever and somebody gives you some pills and you get better, but is there really a link? I doubt it. Kick up a fuss, though, and they freeze you out. They’ll stifle you. They’ll call you a crank. Because unless you’re one of them — a ‘doctor’ with ‘training’ — they just don’t want to know. As though they didn’t have a vested interest in the status quo. It makes me sick.

I am, of course, being childish and contrary. Did you spot that? Actually I do believe in engineering and medicine, quite fervently. Just like I also (point alert) believe in man-made global warming. Why? Here’s why: it’s because I don’t know anything about it at all.

Sure, I could do something about this. I could pack in this journalism lark, go back to university, spend three years replacing my useless philosophy degree with something science-ish, then do a masters, and then do a PhD, probably in climatology. But I can’t be arsed. And when I can’t be arsed properly to understand something, I tend to defer to those who can. I trust engineers to build bridges and I trust doctors to cure diseases. Likewise climatologists on man-made global warming. Most of them seem to believe in it. They might all be wrong, but they’re less likely to be wrong than I am. Call me a mindless stooge, but that’s good enough for me.

Where has it come from, this sudden consensus among Britain’s right-wing punditry that there’s some kind of scam going on here? Yes, Delingpole, I mean you, and plenty of others, too. What gives you the right? It’s like your hairdresser diagnosing multiple sclerosis. For a while I thought this was just one of those weird and slightly endearing irrationalities that some old folk on the right have, like the passionate hatred for speed cameras, or the way they aren’t inherently amused by the whole concept of John Redwood. But I’ve watched it develop and spread over the past couple of years, first with amusement, then with alarm, and now with a sort of horrified panic. Guys, you’re not just fiddling while Rome burns. You’re actively going out and smashing up the fire engines. You’re terrifying me.

There’s an argument to be had, sure, about what we do about man-made global warming. The politics of it all. That’s where Lord Lawson pretends he’s coming from, and I’ve no problem with that at all. Would a global rise in temperature actually be all that bad? Is it worth our while, in the long run, to decarbonise our economy? Do the costs of wind farms (views) outweigh the benefits (cleaner electricity)? Etc. Fine. That’s what pundits are for, and we can all bicker about that till the cows come home (or don’t, because they’ve all been shot). But to actually challenge the premises? The cold, hard science? Why do you feel you have anything to contribute at all?

‘But there were these climate scientists at the University of East Anglia,’ you’ll chirrup, excitedly. ‘And leaked emails show that they were conspiring to conceal research that...’ Yeah, whatever. Not interested. So some of them are crooks. It’s like giving up on doctors because of Harold Shipman. I appreciate that you lot don’t like to be called ‘climate change deniers’ because of the implied Holocaust equivalence but, melodramatic as it is, the comparison hasn’t come from nowhere. You are the forces of anti-science, anti-reason and anti-fact. Your natural bedfellows are the 9/11 Truthers — people who believe that the way to deal with something frightening which they don’t understand is to recast it as part of a convoluted fantasy which they do. Go back a few hundred years, and it’s people like you who would have cried ‘witch’ and run for the kindling when the village crone predicted that bad things might happen if you shagged your sister.

Do you think Sarah Palin might be the next president? I don’t, really, but I wouldn’t put money on it. ‘People don’t want to admire,’ wrote Frank Skinner in the Times last week. ‘They want to identify with. They don’t want to be thinking “I wish I could do that”; they want to take comfort in the fact that they easily could.’ Actually, he was quoting a nameless BBC executive, and considering the meteoric rise of The X Factor twin contestants Jedward. It works for Sarah Palin just as well. The electorate can look at her and see ‘one of us’ just trying to get by. As opposed to ‘one of them’, a lofty snob who reads books and stuff. Apparently Sarah Palin doesn’t believe in man-made climate change either. No, really.

I’ve been wondering whether there could ever be a British Sarah Palin. What do you think? We have less of a stomach for overt patriotism, and we like our politicians to listen, or at least to pretend to. Can you imagine a British Prime Minister with views so impervious to any challenging fact or counter-argument? Can you imagine one who just spoke over her foes, actually despising them, or ignoring them, or both? Can you imagine one who was such a satirist’s dream, with unchanging silly hair and a silly voice and problem kids, and a long-suffering husband, forever in her wake?

We don’t have the same rural culture in the UK, so she couldn’t hail from our equivalent of Alaska. A politician who came in from the Highlands or South Wales would be considered far too unworldly. Our Sarah Palin equivalent would have to be suburban. But the South would make her too establishment and the North would make her too chippy, so she’d have to be from somewhere in between. Grammar school, I should think. And not from a professional background, but obviously not actually working class either. Again, somewhere in between. Maybe something like, oh, I don’t know, a groce*r?"

(*a rather arch reference to Maggie Thatcher, for the ignorati and too young).

Hugo Rifkind is a writer for the Times.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real crime in Climategate
Written by Thomas Fuller, SF Environmental Policy Examiner
Tuesday, December 01 2009 16:18

Would you want your Doctor to 'hide the data' behind your diagnosis?

While some are checking the statute books regarding the different treatments of hackers versus whistleblowers, and others are checking conspiracy laws regarding damaging careers through perversion of the peer review process and suborning editors to exclude unpopular opinions, I would like to say what I think the real crime is in Climategate.

The criminals are not limited to The Team, the climate scientists and paleoclimatologists whose emails and files were leaked to the public.

A section of politically active scientists, policy makers, politicians and NGOs in effect put on white coats and told us that our planet was gravely ill, and that we needed to follow their prescriptive advice to save ourselves from a deadly disease. That's really how they framed the discussion, and they classified everyone who disagreed as a denier, like a smoker dismissing his cough and waving away the X-Rays.

That's not a crime. But it's pretty close to it to change the readouts on a patient's condition to convince him to undergo expensive treatment, label other doctors as quacks if they disagree with the changed diagnosis, and to refuse to show the patient the data underlying the charts.

They may protest that the diagnosis is too technical for the patient to understand and that their actions are for the patient's good. They may even believe it. But I call it quackery.

And the crime is malpractice. Deliberate and conscious malpractice. And since they arrogated the power unto themselves to diagnose the disease and prescribe a cure, they might also be charged with practicing medicine without a licence.

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Mr-Bridger wrote:
The real crime in Climategate
Written by Thomas Fuller, SF Environmental Policy Examiner
Tuesday, December 01 2009 16:18

Would you want your Doctor to 'hide the data' behind your diagnosis?


What evidence do you have for "hiding the data"?
Do you even understand what "hiding the decline" is about Mr-B?

I covered it a few posts ago. Yes, I know the denialosphere has jumped on this by interpreting it as being "hiding a real decline in real temperature the last few decades", but I know they know
they're lying, and they know they're lying. I'm not talking about you everyday water carriers and dupes here - I mean those who fed the you crapola in the first place and sent you out with it.

It specifically refers to the way the tree ring records, which had matched the instrumental record pretty well since 1850, suddenly went haywire around 1960.
And the reason for that, found by Briffa and Wilmkling in separate studies, was that AGW was stressing the trees in ways not previously seen in records.
Hence the divergence from the instrumental record.

You're surely not suggesting we stick with the tree data and ignore thermometer and satellite data are you?
I have to ask because one never knows with lunatics.
A rational person might otherwise correctly conclude another factor was in play.

Oh, soorry. Silly me.
I was forgetting you don't bother with primary sources and just repeat whatever banjo commentary catches your attention.

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"The Competitive Enterprise Institute, a free-market advocacy group, is arguing that U.S. EPA's climate policies rely on raw data that have been destroyed and are therefore unreliable. The nonprofit group - a staunch critic of U.S. EPA's efforts to regulate greenhouse gases - petitioned the agency last week to reopen the public comment period on its proposed "endangerment finding" because the data set had been lost (E&ENews PM, Oct. 9).

But climate scientists familiar with the data insist that the reports are based on sound science and that the data in question was altered as part of standard operating procedure to ensure consistency across reporting stations.

At issue is raw data from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, England, including surface temperature averages from weather stations around the world. The data was used in assessments by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, reports that EPA has used in turn to formulate its climate policies.

Citing a statement on the research unit's Web site, CEI blasted the research unit for the "suspicious destruction of its original data." According to CRU's Web site, "Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data."

Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit, said that the vast majority of the station data was not altered at all, and the small amount that was changed was adjusted for consistency.

The research unit has deleted less than 5 percent of its original station data from its database because the stations had several discontinuities or were affected by urbanization trends, Jones said.

"When you're looking at climate data, you don't want stations that are showing urban warming trends," Jones said, "so we've taken them out." Most of the stations for which data was removed are located in areas where there were already dense monitoring networks, he added. "We rarely removed a station in a data-sparse region of the world."

Refuting CEI's claims of data-destruction, Jones said, "We haven't destroyed anything. The data is still there -- you can still get these stations from the [NOAA] National Climatic Data Center."

Tom Karl, director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., noted that the conclusions of the IPCC reports are based on several data sets in addition to the CRU, including data from NOAA, NASA and the United Kingdom Met Office. Each of those data sets basically show identical multi-decadal trends, Karl said.

Still, CEI's general counsel Sam Kazman remains skeptical of the IPCC's conclusions. The fact that the report relies on several data sets "doesn't really answer the issue," he said".


Of course it doesn't and nothing ever will - the CEI's role is to perpetuate doubt.

"CEI and Cato Institute senior fellow Patrick Michaels argued that the "destruction of [CRU's] raw data violates basic scientific norms regarding reproducibility, which are especially important in climatology."

Ben Santer, a climate scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, dismissed that argument. "Raw data were not secretly destroyed to avoid efforts by other scientists to replicate the CRU and Hadley Centre-based estimates of global-scale changes in near-surface temperature," he wrote in comments to the advocacy group Climate Science Watch.

Santer said CRU's major findings were replicated by other groups, including the NOAA climatic data center, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and also in Russia.


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I have to admit.
This guy does sound rather like a climate change denier.
The founder of The Weather Channel speaks out against global warming. See coverage of the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change in The New American magazine: http://www.thenewamerican.com

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1970s - THE ICE AGE IS COMING. WE'RE ALL GOING TO FREEZE TO DEATH!!!

1990S - GLOBAL WARMING IS HERE. WE'RE ALL GOING TO BOIL TO DEATH.

2000S - CLIMATE CHANGE - WE'RE ALL GOING TO BOIL AND FREEZE TO DEATH.

YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!
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Posted: 8:34 pm MST November 30, 2009Updated: 9:25 pm MST November 30, 2009

EL PASO, Texas -- As night fell on Northeast El Paso Monday, snow began to pound the area again. At around 6:30 p.m., huge chunks of snow came down rapidly near U.S. 54 and Woodrow Bean Transmountain. The Texas Department of Transportation closed down Woodrow Bean Transmountain Road as a safety precaution.

“We’ll take the long way around, it’s OK,” said Maryann Wright.

Northeast El Paso was one of the hardest hit areas by the winter storm that passed across the area, especially along the slopes of the mountain.

“It’s good it never snows like that. It usually snows for like an hour and then that’s it,” said Cynthia Lopez.

The snow was enough to force a health and human services office on Diana and Railroad to close at noon.

“The minute they started seeing a little snow, they shut the office down they started rushing people,” said Vito Tamberrino.

Even as the snow and temperatures fell, some people were not dressed for winter. One man wore a long-sleeve shirt and no jacket and told KFOX he didn’t need a jacket. Another woman stopped in a convenience store wearing flip flops.

But for those who didn’t bundle up, perhaps it was a good idea to buckle up. At least nine accidents had been reported in Northeast El Paso between 3:30 p.m. and 6 p.m, according to the TXDOT incident Web site.

Most of the accidents were on Dyer and there was also reports of water collecting at Transmountain and Rushing.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mainstream media is slowly having to report on the biggest fraud in history.

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By Clay Waters (Bio | Archive)
December 1, 2009 - 16:49 ET

Unpredictable New York Times science columnist John Tierney has again struck a blow against conventional wisdom. His Tuesday column is a scathing piece on the treasure trove of damning emails hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University, a hub of climatologists who believe in the theory that global warming is caused by man -- and willing to use disreputable anti-scientific tactics to further that belief.

In "E-Mail Fracas Shows Peril Of Trying to Spin Science," Tierney made the mild and defensive criticisms of the CRU put forth by Times's environmental reporter Andrew Revkin look like weak tea.

The text box accompanying Tierney's column also came on strong: "Climate scientists, hacked files and risks of smug groupthink."

Tierney wrote:

If you have not delved into the thousands of e-mail messages and files hacked from the computers of British climate scientists, let me give you the closest thing to an executive summary. It is taken from a file slugged HARRY_READ_ME, which is the log of a computer expert's long struggle to make sense of a database of historical temperatures. Here is Harry's summary of the situation:

Aarrggghhh!

That cry, in various spellings, is a motif throughout the log as Harry tries to fight off despair. "OH [EXPLETIVE] THIS!" he writes after struggling to reconcile readings from weather stations around the world. "It's Sunday evening, I've worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done I'm hitting yet another problem that's based on the hopeless state of our databases. There is no uniform data integrity...."

Harry, whoever he may be, comes off as the most sympathetic figure in the pilfered computer annals of East Anglia University, the British keeper of global temperature records. While Harry's log shows him worrying about the integrity of the database, the climate scientists are e-mailing one another with strategies for blocking outsiders' legal requests to see their data.

While Harry is puzzling over temperatures -- "I have that familiar Twilight Zone sensation" -- the scientists are confidently making proclamations to journalists, jetting to conferences and plotting revenge against those who question the dangers of global warming. When a journal publishes a skeptic's paper, the scientists e-mail one another to ignore it. They focus instead on retaliation against the journal and the editor, a project that is breezily added to the agenda of their next meeting: "Another thing to discuss in Nice!"

Tierney explained well the "hide the decline" controversy (basically, two different sets of data grafted to each other without explanation to make it look as if temperatures have soared in recent decades), and concluded:

...the graph adorned the cover of a report intended for policy makers and journalists. The nonexperts wouldn't have realized that the scariest part of that graph -- the recent temperatures soaring far above anything in the previous millennium -- was based on a completely different measurement from the earlier portion. It looked like one smooth, continuous line leading straight upward to certain doom.

Near the conclusion, Tierney zeroed in on what so many found offensive about the Climate-gate emails:

Contempt for critics is evident over and over again in the hacked e-mail messages, as if the scientists were a priesthood protecting the temple from barbarians. Yes, some of the skeptics have political agendas, but so do some of the scientists. Sure, the skeptics can be cranks and pests, but they have identified genuine problems in the historical reconstructions of climate, as in the debate they inspired about the "hockey stick" graph of temperatures over the past millennium.

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LIARS LIARS LIARS

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-q ueens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/

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Phil Jones tried to hush my paper. SUNY Albany won't discuss the investigation my paper initiated. And QUB ignored my three FOI requests for their data.
December 1, 2009 - by Douglas J. Keenan

Some of the emails leaked in Climategate discuss my work. Following is a comment on that, and on something more important.

In 2007, I published a peer-reviewed paper alleging that some important research relied upon by the IPCC (for the treatment of urbanization effects) was fraudulent. The emails show that Tom Wigley — one of the most oft-cited climatologists and an extreme warming advocate — thought my paper was valid. They also show that Phil Jones, the head of the Climatic Research Unit, tried to convince the journal editor not to publish my paper.

After my paper was published, the State University of New York — where the research discussed in my paper was conducted — carried out an investigation. During the investigation, I was not interviewed — contrary to the university’s policies, federal regulations, and natural justice. I was allowed to comment on the report of the investigation, before the report’s release.

But I was not allowed to see the report. Truly Kafkaesque.


The report apparently concluded that there was no fraud. The leaked files contain the defense used against my allegation, a defense obviously and strongly contradicted by the documentary record. It is no surprise then that the university still refuses to release the report. (More details on all of this — including source documents — are on my site.)

My paper demonstrates that by 2001, Jones knew there were severe problems with the urbanization research. Yet Jones continued to rely on that research in his work, including in his work for the latest report of the IPCC.

Misconduct at Queens University of Belfast

Arguably, the biggest concern with global warming is that warming itself will cause further warming. For example, the polar ice caps reflect sunlight back into space, thereby cooling Earth. A global warming theory suggests that if the caps shrink due to warming, then they will reflect less sunlight and so Earth will warm even further. It is possible that Earth warms so much that it reaches what is called a “tipping point,” where the global climate system is seriously and permanently disrupted — like when a glass of water has been tipped over and the water cannot realistically be put back into the glass.

No one knows for sure how much Earth would have to warm before it reaches the tipping point — though about a thousand years ago, there was a time known as the Medieval Warm Period when much of Earth appears to have been unusually warm. It is not currently known just how warm the Medieval Warm Period was, but clearly the warmth then was below the tipping point because Earth’s climate continued without problem.

Suppose that during the Medieval Warm Period, Earth was 1°C warmer than today. That would imply that the tipping point is more than 1°C higher than today’s temperature. For Earth’s temperature to increase 1°C might take roughly a century (at the rate of increase believed to be currently underway). So we would not have to be concerned about an imminent disruption of the climate system.

Finding out how warm the Medieval Warm Period is thus of enormous importance for the study of global warming.

It turns out that global (or at least hemispheric) temperatures are reflected by the climate in western Ireland (for a short explanation of that, see my site). Trees grow in western Ireland, of course, and each year those trees grow a ring. Thick rings indicate climate conditions that were good for the trees; thin rings indicate the opposite. If many trees in western Ireland had thick rings in some particular years, then climatic conditions in those years were presumably good. Tree rings have been used in this way to learn about the climate centuries ago.

Queen’s University Belfast has data on tree rings that goes back millennia — and in particular, to the Medieval Warm Period. QUB researchers have not analyzed the data, because they lack the expertise to do so.

They also refuse to release the data. The story is scandalous.

I have been trying to obtain the data via the UK Freedom of Information Act since April 2007.

—————————————-

(Nature.com had a brief piece about my FOIA request. The piece has statements from QUB that are dishonest: see my comment posted there. Statements from QUB therefore should be checked. My site has source documents for its claims.)


Douglas J. Keenan formerly worked in mathematical research and financial trading on Wall Street and in London. Since 1995, he has been studying independently, and he maintains the site Informath.org.
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http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8675

Alex Jones about MSM deflection from real issues like Climategate

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're doomed. We're all DOOMED!!!

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Global warming fearmongers say restaurants must stop serving ice water.

By JOHN FUND

ClimateGate -- the controversy surrounding the leaked e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit at Britain's University of East Anglia -- means not only a credibility problem for some of the world's leading climate researchers. It also means a credibility problem for the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, whose latest influential report, known as the AR-4, calls evidence of global warming "unequivocal."

These IPCC findings are largely based on the work of CRU, whose scientists are shown in the leaked emails to have suppressed "inconvenient" data, ruthlessly excluded some scientists from peer-reviewed journals and flouted Freedom of Information laws governing public documents,

All this might seem alarming to someone who relied on CRU studies, but not to Rajendra Pachauri, who chairs the IPCC. "This private communication in no way damages the credibility of the AR4 findings," he told Reuters. "The entire report writing process of the IPCC is subjected to extensive and repeated review by experts as well as governments."

Never mind, too, that the University of East Anglia has admitted to discarding much of the raw temperature data on which its heavily massaged "proofs" of global warming are based. Mr. Pachauri has good reason to want to gloss over inconvenient facts. The man who joined Al Gore in sharing the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize is too busy calling for an end to the Western lifestyle. "Today we have reached the point where consumption and people's desire to consume has grown out of proportion," he tells The Observer, a British newspaper.

In the near future, he explains, car use will have to be "curbed," hotels and restaurants will stop serving ice water, and guests will have their energy use monitored. Heavy taxes will also have to discourage people from flying and force them to take the train. Last year, he called for sharp cutbacks in meat consumption because of the greenhouse emissions livestock are responsible for.

Mr. Pachauri says the key to realizing his ascetic vision is mobilizing young people, who "will be far more sensitive than adults, who have been corrupted by the ways we have been following for years now." Hmm, hundreds of emails showing scientists working together to distort their findings obviously isn't the kind of "corruption" Mr. Pachauri worries about. The real scandal is that burger and iced tea you're about to consume.
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chek wrote:

I'd also be very interested to hear of any organisations that haven't dumped their paper and pre-PC records since digitising them. There was a famous case where Switzerland's Sulzer Engineering Corporation dumped their paper records when they went digital, and instead of ending up in the shredder, they ended up being used to produce Israel's first indigenous design of jet fighter, the Mirage based Kfir.


Sorry Chek, but it didn't quite work like this, Mossad themselves stole the plans for the Mirage 5 from the Sulzer corporation in one of the biggest espionage operations in history, Israel then used these plans to build the 'Nesher' - simply an Israeli built Mirage 5, which was then improved to become the Kfir. This was in the late 1960's, before CAD/ digitalisation had any real impact on the airrcaft design process. The espionage resulted from France's refusal to sell Mirage 5's to Israel in the wake of the 6 Day War. I don't like to nitpick, but the need for accuracy is paramount, I increasingly see AGW as the logical 'next' hobbyhorse after terrorism from which the PTB intend to crucify the rest of us. Certainly the most important subject in the world today hence the need for accuracy.....
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Lengthy report on the "Hockey Stick" lie that is central to the climate change scam. The turd in the punchbowl that keeps posting his drivel here STILL defends it.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/hockey _debate.pdf

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The hockey stick debate is about two things. At a technical level it concerns a well-known study that characterized the state of the Earth’s climate over the past thousand years and seemed to prove a recent and unprecedented global warming. I will explain how the study got the results it did, examine some key flaws in the methodology and explain why the conclusions are unsupported by the data. At the political level the emerging debate is about whether the enormous international trust that has been placed in the IPCC was betrayed. The hockey stick story reveals that the IPCC allowed a deeply flawed study to dominate the Third Assessment Report, which suggests the possibility of bias in the Report-writing process. In view of the massive global influence of IPCC Reports, there is an urgent need to bias-proof future assessments in order to put climate policy onto a new foundation that will better serve the public interest.
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by Sherwood, Keith and Craig Idso | November 25, 2009

Hypocrisy in high places is nothing new; but the extent to which it pervades the Climategate Culture - which gave us the hockeystick history of 20th-century global warming - knows no bounds.
Hard on the heels of recent revelations of the behind-the-scenes machinations that led to the IPCC's contending that the current level of earth's warmth is the most extreme of the past millennium, we are being told by Associated Press "science" writer Seth Borenstein (25 November 2009) that "slashing carbon dioxide emissions could save millions of lives." And in doing so, he quotes U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius as saying that "relying on fossil fuels leads to unhealthy lifestyles, increasing our chances for getting sick and in some cases takes years from our lives."
Well, if you're talking about "cook stoves that burn dung, charcoal and other polluting fuels in the developing world," as Seth Borenstein reports others are doing in producing their prognoses for the future, you're probably right. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the proper usage of coal, gas and oil. In fact, any warming that might result from the burning of those fuels would likely lead to a significant lengthening of human life.
In an impressive study recently published in The Review of Economics and Statistics, for example, Deschenes and Moretti (2009) analyze the relationship between weather and mortality, based on "data that include the universe of deaths in the United States over the period 1972-1988," wherein they "match each death to weather conditions on the day of death and in the county of occurrence," which "high-frequency data and the fine geographical detail," as they write, allow them "to estimate with precision the effect of cold and hot temperature shocks on mortality, as well as the dynamics of such effects," most notably, the existence or non-existence of a "harvesting effect," whereby the temperature-induced deaths either are or are not subsequently followed by a drop in the normal death rate, which could either fully or partially compensate for the prior extreme temperature-induced deaths.
So what did they find?
The two researchers say their results "point to widely different impacts of cold and hot temperatures on mortality." In the later case, they discovered that "hot temperature shocks are indeed associated with a large and immediate spike in mortality in the days of the heat wave," but that "almost all of this excess mortality is explained by near-term displacement," so that "in the weeks that follow a heat wave, we find a marked decline in mortality hazard,
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which completely offsets the increase during the days of the heat wave," such that "there is virtually no lasting impact of heat waves on mortality [italics added]."
In the case of cold temperature days, they also found "an immediate spike in mortality in the days of the cold wave," but they report that "there is no offsetting decline in the weeks that follow," so that "the cumulative effect of one day of extreme cold temperature during a thirty-day window is an increase in daily mortality by as much as 10% [italics added]." In addition, they say that "this impact of cold weather on mortality is significantly larger for females than for males," but that "for both genders, the effect is mostly attributable to increased mortality due to cardiovascular and respiratory diseases."
In further discussing their findings, Deschenes and Moretti state that "the aggregate magnitude of the impact of extreme cold on mortality in the United States is large," noting that it "roughly corresponds to 0.8% of average annual deaths in the United States during the sample period." And they estimate that "the average person who died because of cold temperature exposure lost in excess of ten years of potential life [italics added]," whereas the average person who died because of hot temperature exposure likely lost no more than a few days or weeks of life. Hence, it is clear that climate-alarmist concerns about temperature-related deaths are wildly misplaced, and that halting global warming - if it could ever be done - would lead to more thermal-related deaths, because continued warming, which is predicted to be greatest in earth's coldest regions, would lead to fewer such fatalities.
Interestingly, the two scientists report that many people in the United States have actually taken advantage of these evident facts by moving "from cold northeastern states to warm southwestern states." Based on their findings, for example, they calculate that "each year 4,600 deaths are delayed by the changing exposure to cold temperature due to mobility," and that "3% to 7% of the gains in longevity experienced by the U.S. population over the past three decades are due to the secular movement toward warmer states in the West and the South, away from the colder states in the North."
It's really a no-brainer. An episode of extreme cold can shave an entire decade off one's life, while an episode of extreme warmth typically hastens death by no more than a few weeks. If you love life, therefore, you may want to reconsider the so-called "morality" of the world's climate-alarmist's perverse prescription for planetary health.
For more information on this important subject, we suggest that you see the most recent publication (Climate Change Reconsidered) of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change. If Borenstein were a real science writer, he would check out the findings of the voluminous body of peer-reviewed scientific literature on this and many other related subjects that is reported there. To simply ignore the other side of the issue, especially in a "news" story, must surely come close to bordering on fraud. But we guess that must be the defining characteristic of the Climategate Culture.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very lengthy and thorough dissemination of the Climategate scandal by the heroic Viscount Monckton.

The text below is but a small sample of his brilliant comment on the work of the climate liars.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Monc kton-Caught%20Green-Handed%20Climategate%20Scandal.pdf

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CAUGHT GREEN-HANDED!

Cold facts about the hot topic of global temperature change after the Climategate scandal

by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley | November 30, 2009

THE WHISTLE BLOWS FOR TRUTH

The whistleblower deep in the basement of one of the ugly, modern tower-blocks of the dismal, windswept University of East Anglia could scarcely have timed it better.
In less than three weeks, the world’s governing class – its classe politique – would meet in Copenhagen, Denmark, to discuss a treaty to inflict an unelected and tyrannical global government on us, with vast and unprecedented powers to control all once-free world markets and to tax and regulate the world’s wealthier nations for its own enrichment: in short, to bring freedom, democracy, and prosperity to an instant end worldwide, at the stroke of a pen, on the pretext of addressing what is now known to be the non-problem of manmade “global warming”.
The unnamed hero of ‘Climategate’, after months of work gathering emails, computer code, and data, quietly sent a 61-megabyte compressed file from one of the university’s servers to an obscure public message-board on the internet, with a short covering note to the effect that the climate was too important to keep the material secret, and that the data from the University would be available for a short time only.
He had caught the world’s politico-scientific establishment green-handed. Yet his first attempts to reveal the highly-profitable fraud and systematic corruption at the very heart of the UN’s climate panel and among the scientists most prominent in influencing it’s prejudiced and absurdly doom-laden reports had failed. He had made the mistake of sending the data-file to the mainstream news media, which had also profited for decades by fostering the “global warming” scare, and by generally denying anyone who disagreed with the official viewpoint any platform.
The whistleblower’s data file revealed, for the first time, the innermost workings of the tiny international clique of climate scientists, centered on the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia, that has been the prime mover in telling the world that it is warming at an unprecedented rate, and that humankind is responsible.

REVEALED: THE ABJECT CORRUPTION OF CLIMATE SCIENCE
The gallant whistleblower now faces a police investigation at the instigation of the University authorities desperate to look after their own and to divert allegations of criminality elsewhere. His crime? He had revealed what many had long suspected:
 A tiny clique of politicized scientists, paid by unscientific politicians with whom they were financially and politically linked, were responsible for gathering and reporting data on temperatures from the palaeoclimate to today’s climate. The “Team”, as they called themselves, were bending and distorting scientific data to fit a nakedly political story-line profitable to themselves and congenial to the governments that, these days, pay the bills for 99% of all scientific research.
 The Climate Research Unit at East Anglia had profited to the tune of at least $20 million in “research” grants from the Team’s activities.
 The Team had tampered with the complex, bureaucratic processes of the UN’s climate panel, the IPCC, so as to exclude inconvenient scientific results from its four Assessment Reports, and to influence the panel’s conclusions for political rather than scientific reasons.
 The Team had conspired in an attempt to redefine what is and is not peer-reviewed science for the sake of excluding results that did not fit what they and the politicians with whom they were closely linked wanted the UN’s climate panel to report.
 They had tampered with their own data so as to conceal inconsistencies and errors.
 They had emailed one another about using a “trick” for the sake of concealing a “decline” in temperatures in the paleoclimate.
 They had expressed dismay at the fact that, contrary to all of their predictions, global temperatures had not risen in any statistically-significant sense for 15 years, and had been falling for nine years. They had admitted that their inability to explain it was “a travesty”. This internal doubt was in contrast to their public statements that the present decade is the warmest ever, and that “global warming” science is settled.
 They had interfered with the process of peer-review itself by leaning on journals to get their friends rather than independent scientists to review their papers.
 They had successfully leaned on friendly journal editors to reject papers reporting results inconsistent with their political viewpoint.
 They had campaigned for the removal of a learned journal’s editor, solely because he did not share their willingness to debase and corrupt science for political purposes.
 They had mounted a venomous public campaign of disinformation and denigration of their scientific opponents via a website that they had expensively created.
 Contrary to all the rules of open, verifiable science, the Team had committed the criminal offense of conspiracy to conceal and then to destroy computer codes and data that had been legitimately requested by an external researcher who had very good reason to doubt that their “research” was either honest or competent.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: The Fundamentalists and Climate Change Deniers Reply with quote

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Sorry Chek, but it didn't quite work like this, Mossad themselves stole the plans for the Mirage 5 from the Sulzer corporation in one of the biggest espionage operations in history, Israel then used these plans to build the 'Nesher' - simply an Israeli built Mirage 5, which was then improved to become the Kfir. This was in the late 1960's, before CAD/ digitalisation had any real impact on the airrcaft design process. The espionage resulted from France's refusal to sell Mirage 5's to Israel in the wake of the 6 Day War. I don't like to nitpick, but the need for accuracy is paramount, I increasingly see AGW as the logical 'next' hobbyhorse after terrorism from which the PTB intend to crucify the rest of us. Certainly the most important subject in the world today hence the need for accuracy.....


While it's probably 25 years since I read the book (not the fictionalised Follet one) describing the affair, Alfred Fraunknecht the Swiss insider spent four years in jail, being arrested after delivering 20 out of 24 boxes of blueprints.

And you're also correct that it was during the process of putting the data on film record (microfiche I believe), not digitising them.

However the point stands that original paper formats aren't sacred and due to their maintenance and storage demands have been converted and dumped by many organisations quite openly. It is after all the information and not the format that's important.

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item8 wrote:
Very lengthy and thorough dissemination of the Climategate scandal by the heroic Viscount Monckton.

The text below is but a small sample of his brilliant comment on the work of the climate liars.


Munchkin doing what he does best - producing a lot of meaningless but florid hot air.

I can't wait to see what the ruling on Steve 'useless' McIntyres vexatious 10 FOIA requests per day (for data that he did nothing with for six years after he received it) says.

And it's always good to be able to show yet again what a charlatan he is when a real scientist doesn't buy his bluster.

"Arthur Smith, long-time member at the APS Forum, has identified 125 errors, irrelevancies, and contradictions in the article".
http://altenergyaction.org/Monckton.html

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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comm ents/climategate_the_news_goes_mainstream

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Climategate - the news goes mainstream

Andrew Bolt, Wednesday, December 02, 2009 at 03:42pm

It’s the scandal they couldn’t ignore any longer - or certainly not in Britain. This will only become bigger news here, too, once the almost incredible consequences are finally understood.



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All the truth is coming from sources that I have always detested! Bizarre.
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