Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: Jonathon Porritt - UK population must fall to 30m
As a member of the Facebook group, SAY NO TO THE COMPULSORY H1N1 SWINE FLU VACCINE U.K, I received a link to a very interesting Timesonline article(March 22,2009) by Jonathan Leake and Brendan Montague in which they write:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5950442.ece
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JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.
Porritt’s call will come at this week’s annual conference of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron.
The trust will release research suggesting UK population must be cut to 30m if the country wants to feed itself sustainably.
Porritt said: “Population growth, plus economic growth, is putting the world under terrible pressure.
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“Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that impact.”
Population growth is one of the most politically sensitive environmental problems. The issues it raises, including religion, culture and immigration policy, have proved too toxic for most green groups.
However, Porritt is winning scientific backing. Professor Chris Rapley, director of the Science Museum, will use the OPT conference, to be held at the Royal Statistical Society, to warn that population growth could help derail attempts to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
Rapley, who formerly ran the British Antarctic Survey, said humanity was emitting the equivalent of 50 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.
“We have to cut this by 80%, and population growth is going to make that much harder,” he said.
Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
Many experts believe that, since Europeans and Americans have such a lopsided impact on the environment, the world would benefit more from reducing their populations than by making cuts in developing countries.
This is part of the thinking behind the OPT’s call for Britain to cut population to 30m — roughly what it was in late Victorian times.
Britain’s population is expected to grow from 61m now to 71m by 2031. Some politicians support a reduction.
Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, said: “You can’t have sustainability with an increase in population.”
The Tory leader, David Cameron, has also suggested Britain needs a “coherent strategy” on population growth.
Despite these comments, however, government and Conservative spokesmen this weekend both distanced themselves from any population policy. ”
I'm unsure if anyone else here has posted the above or read about it, but it certainly does add more weight to the latest Swine Flu vaccination plan> http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=138557#138557 .
Also some interesting feedback and a realisation factor not many folks would wish to acknowledge:-
For the Brain Dead of the World: Get the Picture YET?
Link _________________ "The likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity to which others are trying to prove him[her] wrong."
- - Harry Segall
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." Lenin 1917
Also at Rense.com: "57 Trillion Reasons To Murder 100 Million Americans With Poisonous Vaccinations" By Leonard G. Horowitz
http://rense.com/general87/hhdy.htm
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The U.S. debt of $57 trillion in unfunded liabilities, according to common sense, is compelling reason for federal governors conspiring with special interests to murder 100 million Americans this fall using poisonous vaccinations.
According to federal deficit calculators at USDebtClock.org, more than $57 trillion is currently owed, including $39 trillion(T) in medicaid/medicare debt, $10T in social security payables, plus $8T in prescription drug liabilities, levying$189,210.00 in servitude upon every American citizen.
The mafia kills people for a lot less. Do you really think your debt collection is proceeding differently?
Consider current White House science czar John Holdren's published affection for population reduction, nuclear industry promotion, biological weapons distribution, and vaccination sterilization through intoxication advancing under the guises of "national security," "biopreparedness," "flu prevention, and "health care reform."
The fact is, you are worth more dead than alive to Obama's ilk, because in reality, there is a WARRANT FOR YOUR DEATH THAT CARRIES A REWARD OF $189K, and rising.
Now you would never believe this is true. But do your "homework" and learn the FACTS:
1) Washington, DC is a "district," not a "state" in the Republic. Legally, it is an offshore or "foreign" corporation.
2) U.S. Federal employees, including Capitol Hill legislators, are legally contracted to perform on behalf of the "foreign corporation."
3) The "foreign corporation" in now unable to pay its debts.
4) The "foreign corporation" is now calling in its notes.
5) Under Uniform Commercial Code (UCC--global economic administrative banking and accounting law) a liquidity account called a "bond" was created for you at birth.
6) This "bond" secures every American citizen with a birth certificate and social security number against debtor obligations administered through the IRS and Justice Department.
7) Your "bond," (private trust-like account created when your birth certificate was filed with the state, then sent to the federal corporation) is worth millions of dollars based on expert legal testimonies and insurance industry actuarial projections of your net worth--gross personal production-- from birth to grave.
Considering your gross personal productivity over your lifetime carries this economic value, you might call this your "gross personal product."
9) The "foreign corporation" assays America's "gross national product," and your "gross personal product" as well.
10) Assets of the "foreign corporation" may be liquidated to pay debts; and you may be liquidated, likewise, for available currency in your "transaction account," to pay the corporation's debts through the international bank-serving IRS "balance sheet" provisions that have been secreted from the public, but heralded legally by expert witnesses in tax courts.
The aforementioned FACTS EVIDENCE . . .
THE SINGLE, MOST IMPORTANT, FUNDAMENTAL MOTIVE DRIVING DECLARATIONS OF WAR, WAR ECONOMIES, AND CURRENT INCESSANT POLITICAL IMPOSITIONS, INCLUDING WARS ON TERRORISM, BIOTERRORISM; WAGING BIOLOGICAL WARFARE AGAINST PEOPLE AND MICROBES THROUGH MODERN MEDICINE, VACCINATIONS, AND DEADLY PHARMACEUTICALS.
So you probably never realized you are worth more dead to our current "legal guardians" than alive. This best explains why:
1) Throughout history, global economic collapses have fueled major wars.
2) Hideously harmful, scientifically proven killers are often certified for use by the FDA and "fast-tracked" to markets,
3) The FDA incessantly advances Big Pharma's Codex Alimentarius plot to terminate over-the-counter access to vitamins, minerals, herbs, homeo-pathics, the healing natural sweetener stevia and energizing ginseng, but grants deadly addictive aspartame, even caffeine, free distribution everywhere.
4) Safe methods of water decontamination, such as inexpensive ultraviolet light and ozonation, or even nano-silver disinfection, is grossly excluded from municipal water purification methods in favor of totally toxic carcinogenic chlorine.
5) Fluoride, a mind-numbing bone-mottling intoxicant, is forced upon nearly everyone as a replacement for education and motivation for dental caries prevention.
6) Mercury in vaccines and dental fillings is still approved after extensive research proving toxicity and substantial morbidity and mortality linked to the heavy metal poison.
7) John Holdren became Obama administration "science czar" given his voracious appetite for population reduction through intoxication of water and food supplies, and the previously conducted mass vaccination causing sterilization as endorsed in his book Ecoscience.
US officials plan to administer 3 toxic immune system destroying squalene injections this fall under the guise of swine flu "biodefense," despite substantial scientific evidence proving this is a deadly immune-intoxicating substance.
9) CDC and NIAID officials lie about HIV/AIDS, in many different ways, quashing safe and effective low-to-no-cost treatments while partnering with private companies advancing profitable drug sales.
10) The new additional federal $1 billion contract for swine flu vaccines include Baxter corporation's provisions despite the company's history of genocidal operations. Federal officials were well aware the company spread HIV/AIDS in contaminated blood products AND spread H5N1 allegedly "accidentally" in time for this "biodefense" season.
11) Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's Secretary of State, overseeing CIA, FBI and Foreign Policy, was politically positioned to dictate "health care reform," "national security," and "national health insurance policy,"
12.
12) Mrs. Clinton went to Mexico precisely when the mysterious Mexican swine flu outbreak occurred to persuade government officials there to stop supporting drug traffickers whose WAR killed more than 7,000 people the previous 12 months. This just proves the "WAR on Drugs" is a profitable security investment for Big Pharma, political liars, and inside traitors(Ref); and why . . .
13) Every one of the deadliest pandemics throughout history has come when severe socioeconomic/political upheaval occurred.
Suffice it to say, knowing all of the above, you would have to be a complete idiot to accept flu vaccinations this fall, or any intoxication through "immunization" ever again.
I've just written an email and sent it to the WHO saying that we all know about Codex Alimnetarius and that I/us are extremely concerned and would like to hear their side of the story.
I've given them Disco's name, rank, number and email address. -no only joking Disco....just couldn't help it. LoL
Hilz _________________ "The likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity to which others are trying to prove him[her] wrong."
- - Harry Segall
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." Lenin 1917
I had a meeting with a WHO official that said why should we combat the spread of malaria in far eastern countries when Malaria actually keeps the population down
Population is an issue for most of the worlds goverments thats why a cure for AIDS and Malaria isnt being researched
apologies to anyone if this info has been posted _________________ What is the biggest casualty?
i think its a good idea to tell the truth and listen to peoples opinions about the truth
How many families claim their loved ones were on board any of the four flights (3 flights) but four planes?
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:53 am Post subject:
Porritt attended Bilderberg in 1999.
Looks like he was won over by their schmooozing.
What a flaccid toe rag.
He can be the first to volunteer his life in his great cause
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:27 am Post subject:
This week I watched an interesting interview with James Lovelock on the BBC's Hardtalk programme. He was cautious about predicting the future, stressing that he could be wrong and that all scientific theories are tentative and may in time be superseded by new theories which in the light of new evidence are seen as more credible than previous ones.
Nevertheless, he reckons it is probable that the earth's resources can only maintain a human population of one fifth its present size and that therefore it is likely to be reduced by four fifths during this century. He maintained that the current attempts to switch to sustainable energy sources will make very little difference and much of the so called "green technology" is useless.
He also seemed to be saying that changes in the earth's climate are normal and cyclical and we may now be moving from a warm period to a hot period.
He was concerened that people who live in relatively stable climate zones, such as Britain, should be making preparations to receive millions of refugees from hot countries where in future it will be impossible to live. Far from advocating population reduction, he argued that it is inevitable and showed great concern for the consequences to humanity of the dramatic changes which he thinks will probably soon burst upon us.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject:
Stephen Sackur to James Lovelock, the celebrated scientist and writer. James founded the Gaia theory - the idea that the planet acts like a single organism. He has long spoken of Man's 'unsustainable exploitation' of the planet and the grave consequences that will follow. Now ninety years old, he describes his latest book as a final warning on the fate of the planet. Stephen Sackur asks him if humanity is likely to heed that warning.
This week I watched an interesting interview with James Lovelock on the BBC's Hardtalk programme. He was cautious about predicting the future, stressing that he could be wrong and that all scientific theories are tentative and may in time be superseded by new theories which in the light of new evidence are seen as more credible than previous ones.........
Stephen Sackur to James Lovelock, the celebrated scientist and writer. James founded the Gaia theory - the idea that the planet acts like a single organism. He has long spoken of Man's 'unsustainable exploitation' of the planet and the grave consequences that will follow. Now ninety years old, he describes his latest book as a final warning on the fate of the planet. Stephen Sackur asks him if humanity is likely to heed that warning.
This week I watched an interesting interview with James Lovelock on the BBC's Hardtalk programme. He was cautious about predicting the future, stressing that he could be wrong and that all scientific theories are tentative and may in time be superseded by new theories which in the light of new evidence are seen as more credible than previous ones.........
A lesson in swine flu bioethics
The jury is still out on whether the swine flu epidemic is really dangerous. According to the New York Times, the outbreak may be considerably smaller than authorities had first feared. Of about 900 suspected cases, about 400 people had the swine flu virus. Of these, just 17 have died: 16 in Mexico and one in the US. The disease also seems less virulent outside of Mexico, where it was first detected.
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Just as earthquake aficionados speak of the "Big One" – the earthquake which will tip southern California into the Pacific, public health experts fear that a "Big One" will sweep across the planet. The author of the Gaia hypothesis – that earth is a self-regulating system – James Lovelock, says that sooner or later humanity will undergo a 90% cull. "The number of people remaining at the end of the century will probably be a billion or less," he told New Scientist earlier this year.
(I strongly suggest people google 'James Lovelock bioethics' …..for much more).
Perhaps people might like to look at the following with respect to the WHO changing of the definition of pandemic in about 2003 (from global deaths to just global ..even if few or no deaths and few illness reported) to suit the insidious depopulation programme which is about to be unravelled.
The above article is clearly completely ignorant of the mechanics behind this constructed 'pandemic'. Or perhaps they are just keeping it to themselves.
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject:
TonyGosling wrote:
You are just an animal
David Attenborough endorses the lie
BBC's Horizon churning out horrifying propaganda on this tonight
Obvious lies such as that "every birth in the world is now recorded"
The Optimum Population Trust gets a free airing
No counter arguments being presented whatsoever
Good you picked up on this,did you also notice he mentioned the philosophy of Thomas Malthus? _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 226 Location: Buckinghamshire
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject:
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David Attenborough: who has seen the world’s population more than double in his lifetime
True, was the time everybody in the world could fit on the Isle of Wight.
Now we need to add-in Anglesey. Admittedly, this pack us in like a very crowded party, to lie down and stretch our legs we can all move to Corsica. Still not enough? ok lets all have houses garden garage and access. (no high-rise, average number per household). On my calcs we need about 1,700,000 sq k. So Queensland will do nicely.
Queensland as a percentage of the worlds land area? less than 1.5%. Other than fishing, how much more land is required to provided food and water (and beer)? How much more for building material and recycled manufacturing?
Quick Rant:We are currently knocking, if not passed into the door of free-energy, there are significant new advances in agriculture (not GM). Should attention be turned away from limiting population to that of making the most of what is available and limiting consumerism fueled by every greater profit for the few, both the environment and the human animal would be the beneficiaries. _________________ Truth Movement Clips: www.truthtotell.co.uk
You are just an animal
David Attenborough endorses the lie
BBC's Horizon churning out horrifying propaganda on this tonight
Obvious lies such as that "every birth in the world is now recorded"
The Optimum Population Trust gets a free airing
No counter arguments being presented whatsoever
He didn't say that every birth in the world is now recorded, he said, 'by and large every human birth and death throughout the world has been recorded for the last sixty years'. Subtly different. Can you dispute his assertion?
Personally, I think there is a population problem. But I also think that there is a eugenicist problem.
I also think that it is pretty 'king hilarious that David Icke (a prolific quoter of Bill Hicks) and Alex Jones (who's neighbour and producer, Kevin Booth, was Bill Hicks' best friend) seem to have expediently forgotten some of Bill's regular routine.
It seems to me that the options are as follows:
1) allow the population explosion to carry on and let science find solutions to the ensuing problems - get ready for some tasty hydroponic GM nosh and lab grown meat - the Zeitgeist solution
2) allow the population explosion to carry on and let nature provide solutions to the ensuing problems - get ready for some nasty famine, diseases and wars - the Christian solution
3) surrender control to politicians and wait for some heavy duty misanthropic cleansing - the New World Order solution
You are just an animal
David Attenborough endorses the lie
BBC's Horizon churning out horrifying propaganda on this tonight
Obvious lies such as that "every birth in the world is now recorded"
The Optimum Population Trust gets a free airing
No counter arguments being presented whatsoever
He didn't say that every birth in the world is now recorded, he said, 'by and large every human birth and death throughout the world has been recorded for the last sixty years'. Subtly different. Can you dispute his assertion?
Personally, I think there is a population problem. But I also think that there is a eugenicist problem.
I also think that it is pretty 'king hilarious that David Icke (a prolific quoter of Bill Hicks) and Alex Jones (who's neighbour and producer, Kevin Booth, was Bill Hicks' best friend) seem to have expediently forgotten some of Bill's regular routine.
It seems to me that the options are as follows:
1) allow the population explosion to carry on and let science find solutions to the ensuing problems - get ready for some tasty hydroponic GM nosh and lab grown meat - the Zeitgeist solution
2) allow the population explosion to carry on and let nature provide solutions to the ensuing problems - get ready for some nasty famine, diseases and wars - the Christian solution
3) surrender control to politicians and wait for some heavy duty misanthropic cleansing - the New World Order solution
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: References please for toxic immune injections
"US officials plan to administer 3 toxic immune system destroying squalene injections this fall under the guise of swine flu "biodefense," despite substantial scientific evidence proving this is a deadly immune-intoxicating substance"
Do you have some references to back this up please? otherwise I will be seen as a crazy person for suggesting it. thanks _________________ "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" Martin Luther king
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: References please for toxic immune injections
Frazzel wrote:
"US officials plan to administer 3 toxic immune system destroying squalene injections this fall under the guise of swine flu "biodefense," despite substantial scientific evidence proving this is a deadly immune-intoxicating substance"
Do you have some references to back this up please? otherwise I will be seen as a crazy person for suggesting it. thanks
I would never quote anything I found on rense.com unless there is a reputable source to back it up - and as there are rarely any proper links on the articles he posts, that is quite difficult. _________________ flamesong.com • newsviewscomment.com
Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 226 Location: Buckinghamshire
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject:
flamesong wrote
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Personally, I think there is a population problem.
Despite my above analysis I agree there is population problems, however further reference is made to 'population explosion'. Such expression should only be applied demographically. The majority of Europe, Russia, Australasia, other countries including some African states and even South Korea have declining populations. The latest forecast give the worlds population to flatten out in the year 2050. (without having details on the basis,I have no reason to dispute this.)
Over three quarters of the worlds population is in Asia, we may ask what effects of this population will have on finite global resources and the environment. What concerns are expressed are more often better defined as 'what effects of this population will have on OUR finite global resources and OUR environment'.
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But I also think that there is a eugenicist problem.
Not sure I understand what is meant by this statement. Populations if left to their own devices and having regard to their own environment and sustainability limited to resources found within the borders of their own society will be self regulating.
Decimation of populations will inevitably occur where societies perceived sustainability is compromised by nature (Ireland's potato blight, droughts in Africa), diseases transferred into societies (unknowingly or by design) have also taken high tolls. This apart, in order to decrease population, I would suggest that we look to greater education, absence of poverty and equality within society. In situations where these attributes are not attained other methods are found within society, from shunning inner city teenage mothers to government action restricting housing through to China's one-child policy. ( Both war and the exploitation of one society on others have effects on population, neither such be countenances in debate on control).
I conclude therefore that if people recognise a problem within their own society they should do what they feel fit, if in other societies, they should butt-out. _________________ Truth Movement Clips: www.truthtotell.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject:
Probably yes.
The fundamental problem is the rich countries, and specifically the ruling mercantile class in those countries are using far more resources than they need - leading to masive waste.
Money giving these rich people the right to leave the rest of us impoverished.
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
If the current world population all consumed the Earth's resources at the same rate as the average North American, would we be totally intercoursed?
Probably yes.
The fundamental problem is the rich countries, and specifically the ruling mercantile class in those countries are using far more resources than they need - leading to masive waste.
Money giving these rich people the right to leave the rest of us impoverished.
SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
If the current world population all consumed the Earth's resources at the same rate as the average North American, would we be totally intercoursed?
I know you know about this Tony Land ownership.
If we were to return to the Law where Land is distributed correctly and fairly.
This would stop more than 95% of waste (labour and resources) and pollution (our environment) for every creature and be sustainable. Mostly on issues of transport, packaging, energy, slave jobs.
“Further to economics (money) [exchange of goods fairly justly] how would we distribute “Land” so that every family never went without (To choose its use for food both animal and vegetable, work and trades with the choice to work alone or with other so long as no harm injury loss is caused to others? The Land shared out correctly and fairly for absolutely no cost whatsoever.
This is all explained in the Bible, how to motivate people, how the system works in unison with the fair exchange of goods, Land distribution, healthy diet, agricultural Laws.
Does anyone have any better ideas on how it should be and how it all works on these particular Laws?
Is there anyone that doesn’t understand these Law’s that are clearly written but do need study? From a genuine copy of the Bible.”
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Having received spiritually, so by my own free will have chosen to be celibate.
James Lovelock, a prominent environmental activist, recently made headlines with his comments on what he calls imminent environmental calamity. Interestingly, Lovelock stated that the world faces an environmental crisis largely brought on by over-population in which he would like to see “the best of our species” survive.
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Considering your gross personal productivity over your lifetime carries this economic value, you might call this your "gross personal product."
-no only joking Disco....just couldn't help it. LoL
