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The BBC article says chinese meteorologists admitted cloud seeding.
| Quote: | | The Weather Modification Office sprayed clouds with 186 doses of the chemical to bring rain for the wheat crop, the Beijing Evening News said. |
Did anyone notice heavy spraying above London in the weeks/days before the heavy snow?
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Actually one theory is that global warming would make the UK colder. More fresh water from Greenland and the Artic would disrupt the Gulf Stream - the Gulf Stream being the only reason why Britain has (usually) such mild and temperate weather for its latitude...
I think... if you go with the science... global warming is real, it is man-made and it is a crisis. The question is how the politicians are "using" this crisis - how it has been ignored for a long period to really ensure that it is a crisis (since this problem has been known about for decades) - especially since the solution is relatively easy: stop destroying the rain forest and reduce coal and oil consumption. But this doesn't suit Big Business (or the politicians) or the bankers... with the rationale "why waste a "problem" when we could be having a "crisis"...."
Meanwhile... don't ignore the science... |
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| Quote: | | Meanwhile... don't ignore the science... |
But do ignore the "scientists" who are lying repeatedly to create the man-made climate change scam. |
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| scienceplease 2 wrote: | Actually one theory is that global warming would make the UK colder. More fresh water from Greenland and the Artic would disrupt the Gulf Stream - the Gulf Stream being the only reason why Britain has (usually) such mild and temperate weather for its latitude...
I think... if you go with the science... global warming is real, it is man-made and it is a crisis. The question is how the politicians are "using" this crisis - how it has been ignored for a long period to really ensure that it is a crisis (since this problem has been known about for decades) - especially since the solution is relatively easy: stop destroying the rain forest and reduce coal and oil consumption. But this doesn't suit Big Business (or the politicians) or the bankers... with the rationale "why waste a "problem" when we could be having a "crisis"...."
Meanwhile... don't ignore the science... |
We have had far worse winter weather here in the UK within living memory,do you think that would be put down to global warming and the melting of the polar ice and Greenland glaciers interupting the Gulf stream currents to this side of the pond at that time?
Or would most reasonable arguments be made for local variations caused by many fluctuating factors?
There's no money to be made in natural weather cycles,but there is in weather modification programs be they overt,or black covert projects.
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| Frank Freedom wrote: | | scienceplease 2 wrote: |
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Meanwhile... don't ignore the science... |
We have had far worse winter weather here in the UK within living memory,do you think that would be put down to global warming and the melting of the polar ice and Greenland glaciers interupting the Gulf stream currents to this side of the pond at that time?
Or would most reasonable arguments be made for local variations caused by many fluctuating factors?
There's no money to be made in natural weather cycles,but there is in weather modification programs be they overt,or black covert projects. |
Natural Weather fluctuations are more likely to account for our current bad spell. I'm just saying that global warming does not mean we get warmer weather here. My mindset and experience implies to me that a relatively small number of people conspire together to form something like 9/11 (or 7/7) but not the whole mass of scientific academia conspiring together to create "man-made global warming" conspiracy (a theory denounced by the Oil companies scientists, so that may colour your opinion of the naysayers)... Not even with "group-think".
Weather modification by cloud seeding is a reality, anything else (including earthquake generation) does not seem real to me.
However, I always happy to look at the evidence... I agree that we should always follow the money. |
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| Quote: | | However, I always happy to look at the evidence.. |
Then please do so! The evidence is overwhelming. The man-made climate change scam is just that. A pack of lies by people who will profit from the scam. The evidence is now so blatant how can anyone not see through the deceit?? |
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| item8 wrote: | | Quote: | | However, I (am) always happy to look at the evidence.. |
Then please do so! The evidence is overwhelming. The man-made climate change scam is just that. A pack of lies by people who will profit from the scam. The evidence is now so blatant how can anyone not see through the deceit?? |
East Anglia University email: Sure. Bad science. Evidence of a stitch-up.
Carbon trading: Sure. money-tisation of climate warming
Copenhagen: Sure. NWO fix-up
Medieval warming: Sure, it happened.
However before the crisis was weaponised (which I hope we agree is wrong), the only people resisting the claims were scientists sponsored by the oil industry.
Facts difficult to refute: Rainforest destruction, glacier melting, artic ice thinning, sea acidification and atmospheric CO2 rise (and indeed other green house gases).
As I see it the NWO has a win-win situation. Either the world agrees to World Government and they win (and get to control world population) or the World population get wiped out by increasingly random weather changes and they can continue to destroy the natural environment for private profit and still win.
It's a chilling prospect either way.
(Have you seen "Who killed the electric car?" - GM etc made sure that whatever happen to the Californian Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate they had it covered...) |
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| Quote: | However before the crisis was weaponised (which I hope we agree is wrong), the only people resisting the claims were scientists sponsored by the oil industry.
Facts difficult to refute: Rainforest destruction, glacier melting, artic ice thinning, sea acidification and atmospheric CO2 rise (and indeed other green house gases). |
Not so!! People pushing the scam were sponsored by the oil industry. People arguing against it were by and large NOT funded and were prevented fro being heard.
Glacier melting and Arctic thinning is junk. LIES LIES LIES!!!! Do some RESEARCH!!!!! |
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| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | Frank Freedom wrote: | | scienceplease 2 wrote: |
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Meanwhile... don't ignore the science... |
We have had far worse winter weather here in the UK within living memory,do you think that would be put down to global warming and the melting of the polar ice and Greenland glaciers interupting the Gulf stream currents to this side of the pond at that time?
Or would most reasonable arguments be made for local variations caused by many fluctuating factors?
There's no money to be made in natural weather cycles,but there is in weather modification programs be they overt,or black covert projects. |
Natural Weather fluctuations are more likely to account for our current bad spell. I'm just saying that global warming does not mean we get warmer weather here. My mindset and experience implies to me that a relatively small number of people conspire together to form something like 9/11 (or 7/7) but not the whole mass of scientific academia conspiring together to create "man-made global warming" conspiracy (a theory denounced by the Oil companies scientists, so that may colour your opinion of the naysayers)... Not even with "group-think".
Weather modification by cloud seeding is a reality, anything else (including earthquake generation) does not seem real to me.
However, I always happy to look at the evidence... I agree that we should always follow the money. |
So sp2 have you not heard how the recent floodings have been used to promote the idea of man-made global warming by certain individuals in the media?I think a statement to that effect was even made by a panelist on Question Time a few weeks ago.And you agree cloud seeding is a reality?(and by extension can be used to create flooding?)
The "anything else" aspect depends on accepting a coincidence theory,
coupled with the probability that many have not dared to look at the possibilty of weather warfares other capabilities.
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| item8 wrote: | | Quote: | However before the crisis was weaponised (which I hope we agree is wrong), the only people resisting the claims were scientists sponsored by the oil industry.
Facts difficult to refute: Rainforest destruction, glacier melting, artic ice thinning, sea acidification and atmospheric CO2 rise (and indeed other green house gases). |
Not so!! People pushing the scam were sponsored by the oil industry. People arguing against it were by and large NOT funded and were prevented fro being heard.
Glacier melting and Arctic thinning is junk. LIES LIES LIES!!!! Do some RESEARCH!!!!! |
Look. I have no agenda to push. The reports of glacier melting and arctic thinning is widespread and from different sources. I don't respond well to capitalised shouting or multiple exclamation marks. You are officially off-my-christmas-card list! |
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| Frank Freedom wrote: |
So sp2 have you not heard how the recent floodings have been used to promote the idea of man-made global warming by certain individuals in the media? I think a statement to that effect was even made by a panelist on Question Time a few weeks ago.
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R-i-g-h-t.... well we all know about the media. And QT - is populated by politicians - even less reliable than media types.
| Frank Freedom wrote: | | And you agree cloud seeding is a reality?(and by extension can be used to create flooding?) |
Sure. I have a geography degree. It was mentioned.
| Frank Freedom wrote: | | The "anything else" aspect depends on accepting a coincidence theory, coupled with the probability that many have not dared to look at the possibilty of weather warfares other capabilities. |
I am not of the Judy-Woods school of thought on weather modification, if that's what you mean.
Re Artic Ice thinning data
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10213891-54.html
We could argue about the cause. But the evidence of it occurring seems real enough. If you don't believe NASA or MSM, this is greenpeace's view, after being misquoted etc (hey, you can trust people to misconstrue)
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/climate/greenpeace-admits-bbc-got-it -wrong-about-arctic-sea-ice-melting-20090820 |
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| Quote: | | We could argue about the cause. But the evidence of it occurring seems real enough. |
"Seems" being the operative word. It melts and it re-freezes and has done so for millions of years. The ice is currently expanding again and the Earth has been cooling for almost a decade now. There is no man-made global warming or climate change to worry about. It is an evil scam which has caused huge numbers of deaths and will cause millions more if it is not exposed. The time to do something is when the sound of the jackboots are a mile away not when they are stomping on your face. At the risk of not receiving a Christmas card - DO SOME RESEARCH!!! There is a thread 45 pages long on this site rendering this one unnecessary - you might start there. Have you heard of "Climategate"? If you have a few days to spare try this site:-
http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/12/climategate-poster-covering-3-d ecades/
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| item8 wrote: | | Quote: | | We could argue about the cause. But the evidence of it occurring seems real enough. |
"Seems" being the operative word. It melts and it re-freezes and has done so for millions of years. The ice is currently expanding again and the Earth has been cooling for almost a decade now. There is no man-made global warming or climate change to worry about. It is an evil scam which has caused huge numbers of deaths and will cause millions more if it is not exposed. The time to do something is when the sound of the jackboots are a mile away not when they are stomping on your face. At the risk of not receiving a Christmas card - DO SOME RESEARCH!!! There is a thread 45 pages long on this site rendering this one unnecessary - you might start there. Have you heard of "Climategate"? If you have a few days to spare try this site:-
http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/12/climategate-poster-covering-3-d ecades/
Download the pdf here. |
I may have have been a bit hasty about the threat to remove you from my Christmas Card list. And as I've stated previously there is much needed science to be done since climate is a multi-variate system. The effect of global cooling from jet aircraft vapour was noted after 9/11 when virtually all aircraft flights were suspended - this lead to measurable increased temperature effects. Therefore we can point to the relationship between man's activities and weather changes - to imply that man's activities on the planet are not to be worried about falls directly into the "Everything Is All Right" mentality. I have already mentioned how climate issues have been taken over by corporate-political interests which I think we can agree is a bad thing. The question I put to you, is what do you want to happen now? Forget about man's impact on climate or what? |
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Opinions on global warming expressed in this forum are exactly that, opinions. We make these opinions based on the logic of scientific evidence presented to us by the media and how we can relate to it. On this forum we know that very little can be taken on face value with so little information being free of global corporate interests. And this being the case we must seek alternative views (not necessarily affording any more credibility to these than those main stream media).
However where scientific data has been at best selectively chosen and worst manipulated in an attempt to prove a theory, such a theory must be regarded with the highest suspicion by us, as with the scientific community. To date, I have yet to see credible data to show carbon dioxide as a pre-cursor of global warming, the data to show that increases in global warming lead to increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is long established. Further, I have seen no data to show that such an increase is bad for the environment, carbon dioxide is a reqirement for flora both marine and land to exist, flora thrives in a high carbon dioxide atmosphere. In all this debate, the (again, long established) principle that climate change is due activity of the sun has not been challenged, simply ignored.
Man can have a detrimental effect on the environment, and man can make changes to improve the environment. From depletion of the ozone layer(now increasing) to the creation of acid rain, science has recognised problems and governments have acted to redress the balance. The reason for the depletion of the Amazonian rain forest, if at all, due to climate changes is minimal compared to the wholesale destruction to satisfy market requirements for greater livestock production.
We do need science and we do need to protect the environment, what is really sad about the whole fiasco is that science is now seen as simply a tool to be used for political agendas and less as of being a potential benefit to mankind.
I reference Viscount Monkton, (while not agreeing to his politics and to be fair, admitted non-scientific background), as data presented Apocalypse? No!..
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=5206383248165214524
Also the work of Henrik Svensmarks - Cloud Mystery..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKoUwttE0BA
You may also want to check out some views..
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?sort_by=views&tid=36
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| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | to imply that man's activities on the planet are not to be worried about falls directly into the "Everything Is All Right" mentality. I have already mentioned how climate issues have been taken over by corporate-political interests which I think we can agree is a bad thing. |
In the case of "Climate Change" everything is all right so why should I worry? To believe the alarmists who have been caught lying and fiddling the data repeatedly and who stand to profit hugely from the scam is like believing the official version of 9/11. Trust the official version of anything? No thanks - not unless it stands up to scrutiny, and the "man-made climate change" scam is shot full of holes. Fortunately it is falling fast and should be dead soon in spite of all the mainstream media's spin. I look forward eagerly to the court cases which have already been started, which even the MSM liars cannot ignore.
| Quote: | | The question I put to you, is what do you want to happen now? Forget about man's impact on climate or what? |
Yes! Then we can deal with real issues such as pollution and over exploitation of resources. There are real issues which need our attention.
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| Quote: | | Is this the connection with the current snow conditions the worst in 3 decades? |
Only if it explains record snowfalls in India and China and record low temperatures in North America. Its the sun wot done it!! The number of sunspots in the last few years are at the lowest for a century and some of the lowest ever recorded. It always follows from this inactivity that the Earth gets a very cold period. The period of warm weather we experienced at the end of the 20th century followed a period of high sunspot activity which is why Mars and other planets showed a corresponding heating along with Earth. They have since been showing a similar cooling. Man made Global Warming / Climate Change is a SCAM!!! I have been telling friends that we were in for a cold winter this year since last summer and it was predictable because anyone not lying to you knew it to be so. The current winter conditions in the UK will not just last for another week but will be with us for months and unless the sunspot activity alters we will be in for a series of winters just like this in the years ahead. It has happened before. Nothing unusual is occurring and man is not to blame. Mann is! |
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While the relationship between Sunspots and climate has been established, but not entirely understood, I'd just like to reiterate Item8's comment here about the Sun being the main driver for Earth's climate and the low number of sunspots earlier in 2009...
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/the-year-in-sunspot |
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| Quote: | Chinese meteorologists say they brought about Beijing's earliest snowfall in a decade, after seeding rain clouds with silver iodide to ease a drought.
The Weather Modification Office sprayed clouds with 186 doses of the chemical to bring rain for the wheat crop, the Beijing Evening News said.
But the arrival of a cold front caused heavy snow to fall, disrupting road, rail and air travel. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8337337.stm
This is what happened in China.
Now lets look at the UK
How many RAF bases are there in Hampshire?
Hampshire
* RAF Andover
* RAF Bisterne
* RAF Beaulieu
* RAF Blackbushe
* RAF Calshot
* RAF Christchurch
* RAF Eastleigh - renamed RAF Southampton
* RAF Farnborough
* RAF Flowerdown
* RAF Gosport
* RAF Hamble
* RAF Hartford Bridge
* RAF Holmsley South
* RAF Hurn - now Bournemouth International Airport
* RAF Hythe
* RAF Ibsley
* RAF Lasham - now Lasham Airfield
* RAF Lee-on-Solent
* RAF Middle Wallop - now used by the British Army, AAC Middle Wallop
* RAF Oakhanger
* RAF Siskin - HMS Siskin - now HMS Sultan
* RAF Sopley
* RAF Southampton - formerly called RAF Eastleigh
* RAF Stoney Cross
* RAF Thruxton - now Thruxton Motor Racing Circuit
* RAF Ventnor (Isle of Wight) - radar station
* RAF Worthy Down
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RAF_stations#Hampshire
Have they been spraying the same stuff?
Is there a connection? Is this a globally co-ordinated attempt? |
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From your list there is ONE operational RAF base...
RAF Andover - closed
RAF Bisterne - closed
RAF Beaulieu - closed
RAF Blackbushe - now a private airport
RAF Calshot - closed
RAF Christchurch - closed
RAF Eastleigh - renamed RAF Southampton - now a commercial airport
RAF Farnborough - now a commercial airport
RAF Flowerdown - not an airfield (and now closed)
RAF Gosport - hovercraft?
RAF Hamble - no info
RAF Hartford Bridge - closed
RAF Holmsley South - closed
RAF Hurn - now Bournemouth International Airport
RAF Hythe - closed
RAF Ibsley - closed
RAF Lasham - now Lasham Airfield
RAF Lee-on-Solent - closed
RAF Middle Wallop - now used by the British Army, AAC Middle Wallop
RAF Oakhanger - not an airfield
RAF Siskin - HMS Siskin - now HMS Sultan
RAF Sopley - closed
RAF Southampton - formerly called RAF Eastleigh
RAF Stoney Cross - closed
RAF Thruxton - now Thruxton Motor Racing Circuit
RAF Ventnor (Isle of Wight) - radar station
RAF Worthy Down - STILL OPERATIONAL!!! |
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| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | From your list there is ONE operational RAF base... |
But there is more than one operational airbase from the list.
Not all chemtrails are done openly outside of military bases.
Commercial ones can do it as well.
The key issue here is whether what the Chinese did and is reported in the media can also be done... |
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The energy companies are out to maximise their profits until the pips squeak.
One newspaper has spoken about 60,000 dead.
The army has now been called onto the streets in certain parts of the UK.
Is there a HAARP facility in Europe alongside the one that exists in Alaska?
Crop failures due to excessive cold will also be massive.
If this isn't 'climate change' which is engineered to the level of techonological possibility then why are articles like this written in the media?
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If I hear another global warming joke, I’ll . . .
. . . go completely insane. Climate change doesn’t mean we’ll have
lots of lovely weather all the time, you numbskulls
Giles Coren
Right, there is something that is going to have to stop right this
second, and that is people making jokes about “If the globe is warming
up then where did all this snow come from, eh? Eh? Tell me that?”
Because it is driving me crazy.
And when I say “people”, I mean mostly columnists, cartoonists and
comedians. I know there is nothing else to write about at the moment
(God help me, I’m writing about people writing about the snow) and I
grant that it was a nice little coincidence that the Copenhagen summit
happened just as it started snowing, but please, people, stop making
jokes about the weather in relation to climate change. Stop pretending
to be surprised that you had to put a scarf and hat on this morning
when the world is supposed to be warming up. The two things are not
related. Nobody who understands the science is claiming that global
warming (if it happens) is going to make Britain hotter in the long
run.
You hear me? Nobody is saying that, not the bleeding-heartedest, most
climate-credulous ladyboy Yakult-drinker in Islington. It will do the
opposite. Global warming will in the end interfere with the ocean
currents, knock out the Gulf Stream, and remove the protection we have
from the icy Nordic weather that is our due, as sharers of the same
latitude as Siberia. Britain will get colder. So this joke about the
weather just isn’t there.
Do you understand? It’s called “global warming”, but that doesn’t mean
“nice warm weather”. So please stop making these stupid, stupid jokes
in my newspapers and on my television.
BACKGROUND
Every bloody spring it’s the same. As soon as there is a nice sunny
day the climate-sceptic jokemeisters say: “If this is global warming,
then bring it on!” Ha ha ha.
Idiots! Don’t you get it? Those sunny days are because Great Britain
is protected by the Gulf Stream, thanks to a finely balanced climatic
status quo that will change if, as some people believe will happen,
world temperatures rise by a couple of degrees over the next few
years.
Can you get it into your thick skulls? If global warming turns out to
be true, Britain weather will go bonkers. It will snow all the time.
Weather might be like this more often, not less. Those unseasonably
sunny early springs are exactly what there will be fewer of, not more.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Good. So then you grasp that there is no irony at all in “people going
on about so-called global warming when there is snow on the ground”? I
am not saying that the snow we are having now is because of global
warming. It is not. Although it is an example of what we will have if
global warming happens (regardless of whether it is man-made or the
result of a Vulcan farting epidemic on Mars). The cold weather now is
a change of weather, okay? It’s not a change of climate. The two
things are completely different, however endlessly hilarious you seem
to think it is to confuse them.
I appreciate how enjoyable it is for middle-aged rightwingers, who
think that climate change (along with racial prejudice, gender
inequality and Aids) is a lefty invention by softies on Camden
Council, to make a mockery of it every time there is any sort of
weather at all, but it is driving me absolutely insane.
If you don’t understand it, DON’T TALK ABOUT IT! And if you don’t
believe in it, and you think that recent global temperatures have
followed an upward trend because of something to do with sunspots and
solar cycles and that climate change is just a way for certain endemic
quasi-socialist, wealth-baiting principles to manifest themselves
politically in the aftermath of communism, then SAY SO! But for
Christ’s sake don’t keep making fools of yourselves with this endless
bloody idiot joke about how nice it would be if we had hotter summers
in England and didn’t have to go to the Mediterranean every year.
Because there is no joke to be made.
• (I very nearly wrote “there’s snow joke to be made” — the worst cold
weather gag in the history of the world, including all those dreadful,
dreadful puns on Wednesday and Thursday about “CHILLY wind at No 10”
and “FROSTY atmosphere in the Cabinet” and “Brown GRITS his teeth” and
“The silence of David CHILL-i-band”. Actually I made those last two
up, can’t think why nobody used them . . .) Non-cricket people look
away now. For in the wake of Thursday’s heroic draw with South Africa
I am going to give the England team some advice about bats.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/giles_coren/artic. .. |
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conspiracy analyst
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There appears to be a HAARP facility in Europe. It is based in Norway.
This occurred when Obama went to collect his Nobel-War Prize.
Coincidence or related?
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message.htm |
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ian neal
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I keep an open mind with regards to the extent to which humanity is the driving force behind CC, but I'm amazed that very few people either in the MSM or in blogosphere make the connection between the current 'big chill' and the theory that climate change will actually result in colder weather in the UK/NW Europe.
The theory runs that decreased salinity in the North Atlantic/North Sea as a result of increased flow of the Northern Russian rivers and increased ice melt in Greenland and N Pole will slow down/turn off the North Atlantic Drift/The Great Conveyor. This ocean current is the main reason why our climate is not as cold as Newfoundland or Moscow's
Here's an article setting out the theory. There are many others out there if you look.
From: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm
How Global Warming May Cause the Next Ice Age... by Thom Hartmann |
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scienceplease 2
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| ian neal wrote: | I keep an open mind with regards to the extent to which humanity is the driving force behind CC, but I'm amazed that very few people either in the MSM or in blogosphere make the connection between the current 'big chill' and the theory that climate change will actually result in colder weather in the UK/NW Europe.
The theory runs that decreased salinity in the North Atlantic/North Sea as a result of increased flow of the Northern Russian rivers and increased ice melt in Greenland and N Pole will slow down/turn off the North Atlantic Drift/The Great Conveyor. This ocean current is the main reason why our climate is not as cold as Newfoundland or Moscow's
Here's an article setting out the theory. There are many others out there if you look.
From: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm
How Global Warming May Cause the Next Ice Age... by Thom Hartmann |
Hey Ian, I said that, third post down in this thread!  |
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ian neal
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| Doh, missed that one, sorry |
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