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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: Turkish Gladio- Ergenekon- cops uncover CIA/Mossad coup plot
Mossad role in Turkey coup plot revealed
Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:05:26 GMT
Tuncay Gueny is suspect of attempts to topple Turkish government.
Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad has been behind a failed coup in Turkey, the Turkish daily newspaper, Milliyet reports....
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: Ergenekon - demo. against Turkey's Gladio coup plotters
This arresting of traitors may be what we need to see here in the UK in our Universities, media and government.
Quote:
Journalist Erol Mütercimler was the first to openly speak out about the Ergenekon. In a 1997 interview he quoted retired general Memduh Ünlütürk, who told him of the secret organisation, which according to him resembled the Gladio – a CIA sponsored secret network, designed to oppose the Soviet expansion into Europe.
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/32106
2 more in custody over Ergenekon links
Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:49:28 GMT
Another retired general along with a university professor in Turkey are charged with having links to the infamous Ergenekon coup plot.
An Istanbul court charged Professor Yalcin Kucuk and retired general Mustafa Levent Goktas with holding the "membership of a terrorist organization" in connection with the Ergenekon plot on Monday.
The two were among the 33 people who were arrested last week in the latest wave of arrests over the plot which sought to establish an unlawful organization to provoke a series of events that would pave the way for a military coup against the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).
Turkey's state-run Anatolia News Agency reported that the two were sent to jail pending trial.
Earlier on Sunday, 11 more people were charged and taken into custody over links with the Ergenekon.
The shadowy Ergenekon group, comprising of some 86 retired army officers, politicians, and journalists, has been indicted of at least two violent attacks, the bombing of a secularist newspaper in 2006 and an attack on a court in the same year, in which a judge was killed.
Earlier on Sunday, Turkish Premier, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, called on the secularist opposition, to let investigators do their work, saying "there are in this country magistrates and prosecutors who have a free conscience."
Erdogan emphasized that after the investigations were completed, Turkish democracy would emerge more strengthened, in which "nobody should think themselves above justice."
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:06 am Post subject:
Another story we won't be seeing or hearing on the Zionist BBC
Thousands protest Ergenekon [Turkish Gladio] coup plotters
Thousands of people from various segments of society on Saturday gathered at Tünel Square in İstanbul's Taksim area to protest the Ergenekon gang, charged with plotting a coup d'etat, in an event organized jointly by the Young Civilians and the No to Coups Platform.
Lawyers in their courtroom robes supported the demonstration demanding democracy, freedom, human rights and the supremacy of law. The protest started at 4 p.m.
Many intellectuals, writers, artists and journalists also supported the march. Slogans demanding resistance against military influence and intervention were chanted. People held up posters against illegal and clandestine units inside the military and state bureaucracy trying to rule the country from behind the scenes.
Journalist Ümit Kıvanç also joined yesterday's protest. He said the Ergenekon investigation should be continued until the very end. Modern dance performer and choreographer Zeynep Tanbay said, "Sixty-one percent of the people are against Ergenekon. People have woken up. Rightists, leftists, religious right, atheists, all of them. People want to face the truth."
Well-known sociologist Ferhat Kentel said attempts to water down the investigation would be in vain.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=165725&b olum=101
Quote:
Most of the latest suspects are from the special operations unit of the police, the BBC's Sarah Rainsford in Istanbul says.
The unit was set up to fight against terror in the 1980s - and was mainly active against Kurdish separatists. Human rights groups have documented many unsolved murders and disappearances from that time, she adds.
The unit's former leader, Ibrahim Shahin, was arrested earlier this month, and a map found at his house led police to a cache of weapons buried in a forest.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7845375.stm
Frightened traitors are dumping the evidence of their guilt in nthe street since the Turkish anti-terror cops stopped chasing non-existent Al-Quaeda shadows. If only they would do the same in the UK.
700 bullets found in Ankara neighborhood
Around 700 M-16 rifle bullets were found yesterday in a package abandoned by the roadside in the Şenyuva area of the Turkish capital, believed to have been dumped in panic by individuals related to Ergenekon.
The bullets were taken to the Ankara Police Department for examination. Twenty-three bullets were also found in İzmir on Thursday, and seven hand grenades and other bombs were discovered abandoned in a similar fashion in Ankara on Wednesday.
Unidentified individuals have been abandoning weapons and ammunition in isolated locations across the country since the discovery of munitions buried underground early in January after raids on houses of various suspects who were wanted in connection with Ergenekon, a clandestine gang charged with plotting to overthrow the government.
In the meantime, Ankara police yesterday detained two men in the Yenimahalle and Keçiören districts. The men were reportedly taken into custody after they were found to be carrying hand grenades. The suspects were later transferred to the police department’s counterterrorism unit...;...
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Martin Van Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Martin Van Creveld: I'll quote Henry Kissinger: "In campaigns like this the antiterror forces lose, because they don't win, and the rebels win by not losing."
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject:
I don't think the NWO will take this lying down... _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
The indictment of the members of the Ergenekon terror organization is finally complete. The investigation started a year ago and since then no indictment was able to be prepared due to the complex structure of the organization. So far more than 49 suspects have been detained.
The investigation was started when a number of ammunitions were discovered in Umraniye suburb of Istanbul at a depot.
More than 100 suspects were taken into custody. Among the detainees were journalists, retired military officers, politicians, and university lecturers. Now everyone is closely watching for the indictment following the recent detentions carried out in the provinces of Istanbul, Ankara, Trabzon, Antalya and Erzurum.
The indictment has been reported to be comprised of more than 2000 pages.
When the indictment has been transferred to the National Judiciary Network, it will be presented to a capable court. Meanwhile, it is reported that an additional indictment would be prepared for yesterday's detentions.
Criminal Courts in Istanbul's Besiktas court house are requesting no other law case files be sent to the court in which the Ergenekon case would be trialed. Until April 2009 no case files will be sent to the court as a result of the review of the Prime Ministry. _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org www.rethink911.org www.patriotsquestion911.com www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org www.mediafor911truth.org www.pilotsfor911truth.org www.mp911truth.org www.ae911truth.org www.rl911truth.org www.stj911.org www.v911t.org www.thisweek.org.uk www.abolishwar.org.uk www.elementary.org.uk www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149 http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject:
More detail on the white, home grown, terrorists.
Reads like an Illuminati plot uncovered.
The coup was planned for 2009
To co-incide with other coups in other NATO countries Mr Milimole? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_(organization)#2009_coup_plan
Today's Zaman wrote:
Ergenekon investigation gets deeper
05Feb09
....The investigation has found that the Ergenekon phenomenon, also referred to as Turkey's "deep state," stages attacks using "behind-the-scenes" paramilitary organizations to manipulate public opinion according its own political agenda.
The Radikal daily has reported that pundits are divided on whether the recent operation will help Turkey end the actions of such unlawful groups. Optimists believe the recent police operation was a major blow to the formation, while pessimists say the individuals detained as part of the Ergenekon operation are only the visible tip of the iceberg.....
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=132507
GRAFIK, Veli Kucuk - Retired General
Accused of establishing and running an armed terror organization:
Other accusations claim Retired Gen Kucuk and Retired Major Muzaffer Tekin were running the liaison between the secret upper structure and the secret civil wing called the Lobby.
GRAFIK, Dogu Perincek -Leader of the Workers'' Party, Civil Wing manager of the Ergenekon:
Perincek is believed to run the department of Theory, Design and Planning or known as the Civil Elements.
GRAFIK, Ilhan - The owner of the Daily Cumhuriyet, a staunchly secular newspaper
He is one of the managers who lead the doctrine and philosophy department of the organization.
GRAFIK, Muzaffer Tekin - Retired major
Tekin is clamed to be the liaison person between the upper and lower wings of the organization....
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject:
A friend of mine emailed me with a warning about the 'Ergenekon' business; here is the relevant part:
'there is an incredible amount of disinformation on Ergenekon..... even some of those newspapers like Zaman that appear to be strongly critical of Ergenekon and the 'new middle east project' are in reality very closely alligned with the US.... in fact, the owner of Zaman is Fethullah Gulen, whose sect is instrumental in pacifying/diverting religious circles' opposition to Anglo-American imperial policies. So, despite all the important revelations, it is quite possible that the Ergenekon investigation is being used as a distraction from the bigger picture.'
I have reproduced the warning here, for those who are following the issue.
Though I am not following it up, it does appear a little 'too good to be true'; considering the hold the military have on Turkey, and the CIA's controlling hand on the Turkish military (Kemal Ataturk is believed to have been initiated into Freemasonry in a Lodge in Salonika), there could well be something fishy being dished up here. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:04 am Post subject:
A clear warning against the Miliband sleepwalk.
Lots and lots of disinformation circulating which muddies the waters and is why the non-Turkish speaking NATO media have been so reluctant to cover Ergenekon. Do a google search, it is absolutely massive in Turkey post Bilderberg 2007.
Got to be the biggest issue for NATO right now. Lots of corrupt and savage people trying to stop the Turkish authorities following the criminal leads down to their ends.
Shows the lie of NATO.
But the demo in Istanbul should speak for itsself.
This was a genuine Gladio style coup plot by CIA/Mossad with an ultra-nationalist bent to pull in the opposition to a world government. Western intel are obsessed with undermining the nationalist causes throughout the NATO zone, not least here in the UK.
I've made up my mind about this now ... but remain open to persuasion.
'Deep state plot' grips Turkey
By Sarah Rainsford - BBC News, Istanbul
It is a story that has set Turkey abuzz with rumour and speculation.
At its heart is an ultra-nationalist gang known as Ergenekon, exposed when 33 of its alleged members were seized in a police raid in late January.
The claims widely reported in the Turkish press ever since read like a thriller.
They allege the gang was plotting to bring down the government.
It is claimed their plan was to assassinate a string of Turkish intellectuals, including Nobel Laureate Orhan Pamuk, fomenting chaos and provoking a military intervention in 2009.
A "menu" of targets had already been drawn up and a hitman hired when the police swooped, according to the daily Hurriyet.
Sabah newspaper linked the gang to the recent murder of three Protestant Christians and Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink.
Those details - apparently leaked by police - have never been officially confirmed.
The lawyers of several of the accused told the BBC only that their clients have been charged under Article 313 of the penal code for inciting armed revolt against the government.
Those still detained include retired Brig. Gen. Veli Kucuk, an alleged mafia boss and an ultra-nationalist lawyer who provoked numerous prosecutions against prominent Turkish writers and intellectuals - including Mr Pamuk - for "insulting Turkishness".
'Deep state'
A brief statement at the outset linked the arrests to a raid in Istanbul last June. A large cache of hand grenades and explosives was discovered; then and a number of former military personnel detained.
There have been no further formal statements about the gang, or their plot. But that has not stopped the Ergenekon affair making top "news" for almost two weeks.
From the start, this operation has been portrayed as a blow against the "deep state" - which explains the excitement.
It is a term widely used to describe renegade members of the security forces said to act outside the law in what they judge to be Turkey's best interests.
The phenomenon, much-discussed but never proven, is said to stretch back to Cold War times, when illicit paramilitary gangs were supposedly set up in collaboration with Western intelligence agencies to prevent the spread of communism. [yes Operation Gladio, we know all about it so why don't you say Operation Gladio Sarah???]
"When the Cold War ended those structures went out of business, but they still existed," claims newspaper columnist Cengiz Candar, who has no doubt a "deep state" exists. [yes, why don't you read Daniele Ganser's book 'NATOs secret Armies' all about it Sarah???]
"Then the threat changed. The target became Kurdish insurgents or Asala," an Armenian militant organisation that targeted Turkish diplomats, he says.
For ultra-nationalists today the threats to Turkey include EU accession, Armenian genocide allegations and any talk of a peace deal to end the 24-year-old Kurdish insurgency.
'Under watch'
In 1996, many Turks' suspicions of a "deep state" were confirmed when a car crashed in the town of Susurluk. Inside were a senior police chief, a prominent politician and a wanted assassin.
"Susurluk revealed weird connections between state officials and those who operate outside the limits of the law. It happened at a time when we had a lot of extra-judicial killings in Turkey," Mr Candar explains.
"But the investigation stopped just as there was speculation it was reaching very sensitive spots, even the military establishment. [GOOD!] That only confirmed the existence of these networks in the public consciousness."
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan clearly has his own suspicions.
He used the same "deep state" terminology to describe the police operation against Ergenekon.
"These gangs are not new in our country. Our aim is to get rid of them. We see gangs in the most important institutions. People who once worked in these institutions join these organisations," Sabah quoted Mr Erdogan saying, immediately after the initial arrests.
Praising the police raids, he added: "There is a deep Turkey working against the deep state. This prevents them [the gangs] being as active as they once were."
If the prime minister has proof linking Ergenekon members to active security officials, it has yet to be revealed.
"I think the government moved now to dirty these peoples' names and reputations. It's a warning that they're under watch," believes Irfan Bozan, who is following the story for the privately-owned NTV 24-hour news channel.
Army rebuttal
Mr Bozan also raises the possibility the operation is part of a continuing power struggle between a government led by devout Muslims and a staunchly secular military.
"At first it does look like an attempt to crack down on the deep state at last. But this is not a real challenge to those forces. This is an attack on those who are anti-government," Mr Bozan suggests.
Still, the chief-of-staff of Turkey's army was concerned enough by the suggestion the military might be tied to Ergenekon to issue a public rebuttal.
"The Turkish military is not a criminal organisation," Gen Buyukanit told journalists last week, apparently washing his hands of the accused.
"Military members who commit crimes are punished by the courts. It is wrong to try to link such incidents to the military as a whole," he said.
As the prosecutors gather their evidence the country is gripped, awaiting the next revelation, the next headline and the denouement.
After years of "deep state" rumours, many see the Ergenekon case as a real test of the government's will to dig deep and expose any ties between illicit gangs and the state. If they do really exist.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject:
Prosecutor says Ergenekon was behind Cumhuriyet daily attack
An investigation into a Molotov-cocktail attack against the Cumhuriyet daily headquarters in İstanbul’s Şişli district last year has reached the conclusion that the attack was carried out by individuals with links to the Ergenekon gang, a crime network which has alleged links within the state and which is suspected of plotting to topple the government.
A 23-page indictment of suspects in the incident was prepared by İstanbul Public Prosecutor Kadir Altınışık, who demanded from eight to 42-year jail terms for the eight suspects involved in the attack.
In 2006, hand grenades were thrown at the headquarters of the Cumhuriyet daily. The incident was merged with the ongoing Ergenekon case in which 86 suspects are currently being tried over links to Ergenekon, which is thought to be behind a series of murders and political assassinations that have taken place in Turkey in an attempt to create chaos and overthrow the government..............
Turkish media sources detail information implicating the Israeli Mossad in a plot to assassinate Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
An e-mail found on a personal computer belonging to one of the members of the underground Ergenekon organization exposed Mossad's role in the failed assassination efforts against Erdogan, Turkish media outlets reported on Friday.
The organization has been accused of orchestrating a coup plot against the current Turkish administration.
The indictment list tabled by the Turkish prosecution against the organization says that an Israeli journalist had sent the e-mail to a number of Ergenekon figures to inform them of Israeli readiness to assassinate the Turkish premier. _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
I saw some guy recently going by the name of Ergenekon playing an online game of Soldier Of Fortune 2.
I quizzed him and he laughed but was also reluctant to explain his choice of naming :0 if indeed it was a he _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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On June 12, the daily newspaper Taraf published a new document, which allegedly reveals fresh plans by the Turkish military to discredit and destabilize the ruling Islamist Justice and Development Party (AKP). The plans include a frame-up to weaken the most powerful Sunni religious sect in Turkey, led by Fetullah Gulen. The action is also designed to give support to members of the military who were arrested as part of the ongoing Ergenekon investigation and court case...
In his column dated June 15, Ihsan Dagi of the Islamist English daily Today’s Zaman summarises the measures contained in the plan as follows: “Planting weapons in some people’s houses and then making it seem as if they belong to people from the Gulen movement, and then trying to paint them as terrorist organization; conspiring to provoke hatred amongst Sunnis and Alevis by fabricating anti-Alevi documents in Sunni households; fabricating information about the suspects in the Ergenekon trial and misleading the court; using controlled Islamists leaders to create a fabricated threat of Shariah; using media to discredit the Gulen movement and the AK Party; creating division inside the AK Party through agents planted inside the party; portraying the Gulen movement as in cooperation with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party [PKK], the CIA and MOSSAD; appearing on TV and radio and making false confessions about the Gulen movement, etc...”
The “action plan” also envisages the systematic production of provocative and chauvinistic news/rumours about Greece and Armenia in order to widen and strengthen support for right-wing nationalist parties.
The plan calls for launching a propaganda campaign to emphasise that the military personnel who are detained or arrested as part of the Ergenekon operations are in fact innocent and were put behind bars just because they are against the reactionary powers that are trying to overthrow the secular regime in the country...
In the press there are conflicting press reports about the authenticity of the document. Generally, the Kemalist-leaning media, citing military sources claim it to be fake while Islamist-leaning papers, citing police sources, claim it to be authentic. But there are many reasons to believe the document may be genuine. This latest “psychological war” plan creates the sense of déjà vu for anybody who closely follows the recent history of Turkish political life. _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Fifty-six people, including two retired generals, journalists and academics, have gone on trial in Turkey accused of plotting to overthrow the government.
Prosecutors say they were members of a shadowy ultranationalist network - dubbed Ergenekon - which allegedly aimed to provoke a military coup.
The two generals, who are in their 60s, could face life in prison if convicted.
This is the second court case related to the Ergenekon case. Another 86 suspects went on trial in October. _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Tuncay Gueny is suspect of attempts to topple Turkish government.
Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad has been behind a failed coup in Turkey, the Turkish daily newspaper, Milliyet reports.
A secret investigation into detained Ergenekon group members and other studies outside Turkey indicate that Mossad orchestrated the coup plot against the Turkish government, the report says.
The Ergenekon group is a Turkish neo-nationalist organization with alleged links to the military, members of which have been arrested on charges of plotting to foment unrest in the country.
Investigators uncovered evidence that show a Jewish rabbi named Tuncay Guney, who worked for Mossad and fled to Canada in 2004, was a key figure behind attempts to overthrow the Turkish government.
A document uncovered this week by the Sabah daily shows how Guney purposefully infiltrated Ergenekon and another organization known as JITEM, an illegal intelligence unit in the gendarmerie suspected of hundreds of murders and kidnappings .
The rabbi was taken out of Turkey and sent to the US for protection after his identity was exposed in an investigation by Turkish police, according to Sabah.
Guney is also reported to have links with Israeli espionage activities in Egypt. According to Egyptian security forces, at least one of three suspects currently being pursued by the Egyptian government for spying was in contact with Tuncay Guney.
Meanwhile, a separate report by Turkish daily Yeni Safak has claimed that Turkish security forces have discovered some bags in Guney's Istanbul house that include the Israeli flag and Mossad's slogan.
According to an earlier report by Aksamanother Turkish daily, Mossad has been involved in several ambiguous events in Turkey.
The report claimed that Turkish security forces have discovered documents that disclose information concerning suspicious investment and economic activities by certain Jewish businessmen in Turkey.
The Jewish businessmen are alleged to have had significant relations with individuals, political groups and cultural organizations, which investigations show are affiliated to the Ergenekon group.
This is extremely important info, and I suggest a 'News Forum' item pointing to this thread. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Turkish 'Ergenekon' Coup Plot Traitors Linked To Mossad
This info is on a previous thread, but needs flagging up on a new heading, due to dramatic (imo) new info, to wit:
Israeli Lobby frantically trying to get US to stop Ergenikon trial:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article163027.html
Here is the original thread, and I suggest you follow up on that thread. This thread is purely to flag up this very important (imo) series of events:
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=143275#143275 _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:09 am Post subject:
Israeli/Turkish relations hit an all time low.
Sounds like a thrilling bit of drama though!
Quote:
Israeli politicians and media outlets roundly condemned an episode of the popular Turkish soap opera, "Valley of the Wolves: Ambush," that depicted the Israeli intelligence service Mossad spying inside Turkey and kidnapping Turkish babies. The program also showed Mossad attacking the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv and taking the ambassador and his family hostage.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/12/turkey.israel/
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject:
This story is going stratospheric in Turkey at the mo.
No UK reports of course due to the mazzive pro Zionist MSM bias here.
Military launches probe into ‘action plan’ colonel
Col. Dursun Çiçek, whose signature appears on a conspiracy plan plotting illegal activity, is being investigated for possible “abuse of authority.”
A colonel whose signature was found on a military document detailing a strategy to undermine the government and an influential religious movement is being investigated by military prosecutors, the Sabah newspaper reported yesterday.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-198388-101-military-launches-pr obe-into-action-plan-colonel.html
Quote:
'I do not believe Islamists murdered my father'
Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - ISTANBUL - Radikal
The son of assassinated journalist Uğur Mumcu has said he does not believe his father, who was working on “deep state” and counter-guerilla issues before his death, was murdered by Islamists 17 years ago.
The elder Mumcu, a leading figure in investigative journalism who was considered an expert on international terrorism, was murdered Jan. 24, 1993. His son Özgür Mumcu, a columnist for daily Birgün, recently gave an interview to the Web site www.t24.com.tr that was published in daily Radikal.
When asked if the ongoing Ergenekon case raises questions about his father’s assassination, Mumcu said everything in the accusation about the incident has already been revealed to the public, including the document found in the house of Veli Küçük, a retired general and arrested Ergenekon suspect. The document in question was a memo sent to then-Prime Minister Süleyman Demirel from the National Intelligence Agency, or MİT, stating that Mumcu’s assassination was carried out by a group of Israelis under CIA supervision.
The younger Mumcu said that document might be a fake, as was claimed when it was first revealed years ago, so nothing new is on the table as far as he is concerned.
“It has been 17 years since my father was murdered and we faced a different scenario in nearly every one of them: Islamists, former gray wolves, counter-guerillas ... A lot of claims were made,” said Özgür Mumcu.
“Statements on this matter do not excite me anymore. I should say this: I would not be surprised if I heard that this murder was committed by the counter-guerillas. I would not be surprised if I heard the PKK [the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party] did it too,” he added. “Of course, I am not speaking with serious proof, but I do not believe this murder was an Islamist operation.”
Mumcu explained that he does not see a reason Islamists would kill his father because he rarely wrote about the issue of secularism. “It is clear that my father was murdered while researching the connections between MİT and the PKK, and moreover, just when he was about to reap the fruits [of that research],” he said.
Explaining that his father had criticized the triangle of Islamic cults, politics and industry, Mumcu said he did not have a problem with Islam in terms of freedom of speech.
The slain journalist’s son also said he was annoyed that his father is considered to be an ultra-nationalist writer just because he wrote for daily Cumhuriyet, explaining that there was no such term 17 years ago and as Uğur Mumcu did not experience the events during that era, it would be wrong to assume which position he would hold today.
“We cannot know whether if my father would write for Cumhuriyet today,” he said. “We cannot know if Cumhuriyet would be this Cumhuriyet if my father were there either.”
Possibly a film production loosely based on the coup plots?
Thats not forget the film every Marine loves to watch, Kurtlar Vadisi Irak _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject:
TonyGosling wrote:
Turkey accuses 51 of plotting coup
Last Updated: Tuesday, February 23, 2010
Prosecutors on Tuesday interrogated 51 Turkish military commanders, including former air force and navy chiefs, over alleged plans to destabilize the country by blowing up mosques to trigger a coup and topple the Islamic-rooted government.
It was the highest profile crackdown ever on the Turkish military, which has ousted four governments since 1960. For decades Turkey's senior officers, self-appointed guardians of the country's secular tradition, called the shots.
But the balance of power in this EU-candidate country appeared to have shifted Monday as police rounded up the 51 military commanders, following the gathering of wiretap evidence and discovery of an alleged secret coup plan, dubbed "the sledgehammer."
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/02/23/turkey-coup-commanders.html#i xzz0gO7ngH6J
This really is tremendous stuff. Somehow I can't see the military allowing it to follow it's course, but certainly hope the Government can make this stick.
They are certainly 'bearding the lion in it's den'. God bless their brave attempt. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Washington urges transparency in Turkish coup plot arrests
love it as the world waits anxiously for any smidgeon of US transparency _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
ISTANBUL // A trial of nearly 200 current and retired soldiers,
including former army generals, accused of plotting to bring down the
Turkish government got under way yesterday with the main suspect
accusing the prosecution of fabricating evidence by using "copy and paste".
The trial is seen as the latest showdown in the power struggle
between Turkey's religiously conservative government and the strictly
secularist armed forces.
Three judges from an Istanbul court began hearing the case against
196 suspects, among them former members of the general staff in
Ankara and other high-ranking officers, who are accused of planning a
coup to topple the government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the prime
minister, in 2003, only months after his Justice and Development
party, or AKP, had come to power in November 2002.
Because of the big number of suspects, the Sledgehammer trial is
being held in a special courtroom on the grounds of a prison in
Silivri, a town on the Sea of Marmara west of Istanbul. The courtroom
was purpose-built a few years ago for a trial against another group
of suspected coup-plotters of a right-wing organisation called
Ergenekon, which is still ongoing.
The prosecution says the plotters prepared a coup plan code-named
Balyoz, or Sledgehammer, that involved blowing up mosques in Istanbul
and bringing down a Turkish fighter jet over the Aegean with the aim
of subsequently blaming Greece and using the heightened tensions to
justify the takeover. The allegations also include planned
assassinations of Christian and Jewish leaders. If convicted, the
suspects face up to 20 years in prison.
Coming after a series of judicial procedures against several other
groups of suspected coup-plotters in recent years, the Sledgehammer
trial is seen as a landmark in the ongoing confrontation between the
Erdogan government and the military. The generals regard themselves
as the guardians of the secular republic and are concerned that Mr
Erdogan is trying to turn the country into an Islamist state. The
armed forces have pushed four governments from power since 1960 and
openly threatened to unseat Mr Erdogan only three years ago.
Umit Kardas, a former military judge, speaking about the Sledgehammer
trial yesterday, said: "This is important, because high-ranking
officers like that have never had to stand trial up to now." He said
the allegations against the suspects were serious. "The AKP came to
power in 2002, and beginning with 2003, we have a real whirlwind of
coup preparations," Mr Kardas said in reference to Sledgehammer and
similar suspected plots. "That shows that Turkish democracy has been
under threat."
The suspected coup leader in the Sledgehammer plot, the retired Gen
Cetin Dogan, rejected the allegations. Before he entered the court
building yesterday, Gen Dogan said the prosecution had manipulated
documents in order to build the case against him and the other
suspects, including Ozden Ornek and Halil Ibrahim Firtina, the former
commanders of Turkey's navy and air force.
"I have been saying from the start they have been doing copy and
paste," Gen Dogan said about the prosecution. He has been arguing
that he conducted a military seminar in 2003 dealing with possible
threats by Greece and by Islamist extremists as the head of the
prestigious First Army at the time. He accuses prosecutors of
twisting documents to make them look like a coup plan. Other critics
have also spoken of serious inconsistencies in the charge sheets. In
one example, prosecutors are said to have accused the plotters of
planning to take control of key installations in Istanbul that either
did not exist or had different names in 2003.
Government opponents say the Erdogan government uses investigations
against former and serving officers in an attempt to destroy the
reputation of the armed forces and to silence critics. Repeated coup
allegations and setbacks in the fight against Kurdish rebels have
severely damaged the military's prestige. A series of political
reforms, including a constitutional referendum in September, has
stripped the generals of much of their former political power.
The judge who was scheduled to hear the Sledgehammer case was
transferred to another post only days before the start of the trial,
triggering fresh allegations of government interference. But Ankara
has said it had nothing to do with the decision, which had been taken
by an independent oversight body.
Gen Dogan said he would not challenge the credibility of the new
presiding judge but would concentrate on exposing what he sees as
weaknesses and fabrications of the prosecution. "Please keep watching
the trial," he told the media. "This trial has no legal basis." Gen
Dogan insisted that he was "not a man of coups".
The Sledgehammer plan, like several other coup plots, was first
published by the daily Taraf, which has made a name for itself by
taking on the military. In many cases, Taraf was given confidential
documents by members of the armed forces who were concerned about the alleged coup preparations.
Mr Kardas, the former military prosecutor, said the fact that at
least part of the information leading to trials like the one
yesterday came from within the ranks of the military was "a healthy
thing" for the country. "It means they think that coups are fascism.
It is the duty of every citizen to alert the authorities in a case
like this," he said.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:21 am Post subject:
Looks like this book was saying the Turkish government 'cooked up' Ergenekon to get rid of their political opponents! Highly unlikely prognosis IMO. Still rather rough to ban the book.
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