This video announces the beginning of the end of Killtown's Matrix of Denial.
Two years ago, when Anonymous was going public against Scientology, a couple of us chans were asked by a friend to look into the trollfag known as Killtown. He was starting to stalk people on line. A little digging showed he'd been acting like a psycho for years. Our group of Anons have been watching Killtown, trying to find out enough about him for people with legal complaints.
Brief history:
Thanks for posting this - it's nice to see the no-planes disinfo cult continuing to implode.
Killclown, webfairy and their various hangers on and sockpuppets were exposed as liars/frauds/trolls from the very beginning on this forum, and it's sad that these charlatans nevertheless managed to fool a minority of "know nothing believe anything" posters around here.
Hopefully, they've manged to see through the BS by now, like this guy did....
PART ONE: HOW I BECAME A NO PLANER
well... its hard to know where to start but here I go.
I had taken an interest in all the 911 theory vids that were bombarding myspace bulletins. I found the subject interesting and it seemed that many others were as well. Eventually I came across some no plane videos and watched them. The first couple seemed pretty silly to me. Then I saw a few more and they made a few good points and got me thinking. Most other people into 911 theory were bashing the NPT (no plane theory) so I found that asking others about the vids resulted in harsh conversations. They would say, "thats disinfo... they are trying to bring down the truth movement" The "truth movement" were offering some oddball explanations for 911 themselves, so I thought it was kind of hypocritical of them to act like only their theories were acceptable and decided to be "quiet" about my further investigation into the NPT from that point on. So in effect, the "plane huggers" as they are called by the No Planers, first drew the line in the sand on taking sides. That was a big factor looking back on the fiasco. The No planers were more open to things it seemed. So I kept watching their propaganda vids. Then I made contact with one of them. KILLTOWN.
I knew killtown was one of them but I had no idea at the time that he was one of the top dogs. As I began a "friendship" with him, I soon began to see just how "big" his status was. The no planers saw him as the ultimate NPT guru and the plane huggers saw him as their biggest threat, I had made a lot of friends with the plane huggers so it was difficult as first being friends with both sides, Killtown was getting "kicked out of" forums/chat rooms and updating the list all the time, He made it seem that his information was dangerous and that people were deliberately suppressing his research, This gave him kinda of a martyr persona as he kept on doing his thing, while it appeared that the world was against him. As our friendship grew he let me know that he trusted me and wanted to show me just how dangerous his information was. He would have me log into forums and chat rooms that he had been kicked out of and he would log in under a fake name that would sound appealing to the plane huggers like 911truther or something similar. Then he would privately message me and tell me things to ask the group and to watch their reactions. He would tell me to ask about NPT or to ask about Killtown. The chat room would explode. They hated NPT and they hated Killtown. This was his way of showing me that he was being suppressed. In Scientology terms, these plane huggers were SP's.
THE GURUS: PART 2
The gurus....how many of them were there really? It's hard to even say now. It is evident to me now that many of these people were masking themselves as multiple people. But for now lets go back to the early days,
So it was around late 2006 and I was starting to get more into NPT. I had been researching 911 for about 2 years just a hobby. It didnt consume my life but I put a lot of time into researching all the various twist and turns. I suppose I was a "truther". I was really feeling guilty talking to some of the people on the "truther" aka "plane hugger" side that I had been chatting with over the past couple of years. They were all anti-no planer. But I was making "friends" with all the NPT gurus by now. The truthers were saying that their was a "pod" on the under belly of the plane. They were saying that flight 93 was shot down by our own government. They were saying that the pentagon plane was actually a missle. They were saying that no cell phone calls were made from flight 93. These were some fantastic accusations but they didnt have much in fantastic facts to back them up.
BUT the NPT gurus had even a more fantastic story, One that could make those "truther" planes and all that came with them.... literally disappear. You see UNLIKE Scientology, where after you pay lots of money... then you get the CRAZY story.... the gurus werent after money, you got the crazy story first. The planes werent real. HOW DID I EVER FALL FOR THIS? They were good. They could manipulate videos and package videos better than the truthers. They could take all my confusion away. All the things that the truthers could throw out there but couldnt really explain... the NPT gurus could fix it all. I suppose it was a form of CLEAR. If the planes were fake... and the gurus could prove it with video evidence... that was what I was looking for for 2 years, EVIDENCE!! They had it, and I wanted it. I couldnt get enough of it. The whole 911 "conspiracy" that I had been digging into was now becoming "CLEAR".
But just like Scientology... it seems good at first, it makes ya feel like your on to something that youve been missing. These gurus had found it. At least, they were claiming that they had it. They were all complimenting each other on their new "evidence" and on their quality "research"... but were "they" really just a handful of people patting themselves on the back? AND were "they" manipulating the "evidence"? The answers are: they were inventing themselves as gurus and followers of them selves while inventing the evidence, BUT I was too blinded to see it at the time. I was now a no planer.
PART 3: THE DECEPTION
So now I was a full time dedicated no planer. It was all that I thought about. I was obsessed. Everyday for about 2 years, my life was NPT. I would go to work, then rush home to get on my computer. I had no social life. I would work, watch and make NPT videos all night, sleep a couple of hours, and then do it all over again. My family, friends, and co-workers all thought I was crazy. I was a recluse. But in my mind, they were all SPs. I was on a mission. I was on a quest. I was going to prove them all wrong.
Videos... what a life. lol. I would watch frame by frame of every 911 video... watching that damn plane over and over, frame by frame, into the building. I would do slow mo, I would use filters, I would zoom in. ALL I NEEDED was to find something that the other gurus hadnt found yet. It was a difficult thing to do. The gurus had already been were i was. AND THEY WERE gurus! If only I COULD FIND SOMETHING AND MAKE A VID... I COULD BE PART OF IT ALL. When the rest of the world finally discovered that the planes were fake, I would have a video on youtube date stamped.... showing the world and all the SP's in my life that I really was right about NPT.
I made some vids and got some "atta boy's" from some of the gurus and their followers. Then I made one that I had found some "errors" by the perps. THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED in NPT! You gotta understand at this point in NPT... the working theory was that the majority of any 911 footage was real, and that the perps had used layering. That the footage had evidence of layers, where the plane had been inserted. MAN THIS SOUNDS DUMB AS * NOW! But anyway, the goal was to find things that could show evidence of layering. The best way was to use two different shots and compare the flight paths and then show how the paths contradicted each other. There were other ways to show layers as well but THIS video shows this and this video contradicts THAT always wow'ed em.
I had posted a vid that I thought showed exactly that. I WAS EXCITED! I went to sleep for a couple hours, then got up for work but first rushed to youtube to read all the comments about my findings. I had one comment. AND BY A FREAKING PLANE HUGGER! ARRGH! He said that I had made an error and that I had used an angle of the WTC that was completely wrong to compare to another view, I was a wreck, I didnt have time to see if this guy was right cuz I had to go to work. While I was at work, I reviewed over and over what the guy had written and then it dawned on me that HE WAS CORRECT! *! I had made an error and by now all the NPT people had seen my folly. I went home after work and was expecting to read comments from both sides calling me an idiot. GUESS WHAT? The No Planers, had my back. They said that I had it right. I was happy even though I knew that it was wrong. I later figured it out though. The no planers knew it was wrong too. They had seen those vids more than me. It wasnt about me making a video that was correct... it was about keeping no plane theory working. NO MATTER WHAT. Truth didnt matter. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CLUE OF THINGS TO COME.
PART 4: THE EVOLVING THEORY
The original working NPT theory was this. That the government or a rogue element within the government had hijacked the television feeds on 911 and that the plane had been inserted into the feed. But there were amateur videos and pics floating around so something had to be done about that. On 911 there were videos and cameras confiscated as evidence, then later returned to the owners. This worked out perfect for NPT. The perfect excuse for all the planes captured on film. The evidence had been tampered with. The planes had now been inserted into the amateurs film. This was new territory to explore but a real push was on now to discredit all the amateur footage. The amateur footage had to be forge or the whole NPT theory would fall apart. It also opened Pandoras box. You see, one thing that made NPT so much easier to digest compared to the "truthers" theory was that it was more streamlined. The truthers had so many loose ends and required a very large organized group to carry out the 911 attack. NPT was simple at first. NO PLANES... just a few hijacked media feeds. That seemed more plausible to carry out by a smaller group of perps.
But now, Pandoras box was open... the conspiracy now went beyond the original theory. Now it involved more agencies. More people. More to research. More videos to watch and make. So now the reporters, the police, the witnesses, and eventually even the fireman were suspect to be "in on it". A lot of effort went into proving that the reporters and witnesses were lying. There was a lot of footage to use and someone would always find a way to use it to support NPT.
As time went on more and more witnesses began to speak out. The truth movement had peaked on the web and had bled over into the national media. More people were stepping up that had never been in the limelight. Average Joes were popping up on documentaries on the web, on the news, on radio shows, even the Discovery Channel. You had Rosie on the View and Charlie Sheen speaking out, the Truth Movement was in full stride. The only problem was that too many average Joes were sharing their stories and their stories sometimes included eyewitness accounts of seeing the plane fly into the towers. THIS WAS NOT GOOD FOR NPT.
The matter would soon be "taken care of" by the new working theory that the gurus developed. The whole production was faked! ALL the footage was fake and all the people coming forward were paid actors. All the witnesses in all the original amateur footage were actors. The entire event was a big Hollywood production. ANYONE supporting the government's story OR the Truth movements version was a perp or an actor.
This caused a lot of inner turmoil for me. I had invested so much into believing NPT. Things were not Clear to me at all. I was confused as hell. I had trusted into the gurus research so much in the beginning... how could they flip so easily. How could the theory change so drastically. I thought they had Clear? Should I keep with them? I was a wreck. My common sense was telling me one thing but I was so involved and emotional invested. I wanted the gurus to have the answers. I wanted them to be right about it all. I tried to work the new theory in the best that I could, but I was more messed up than ever now. Then I saw a video about a former Scientologist, he was fresh out of Scientology and explaining his experience. Then things began to make sense.
PART 5: THE REVELATION
I found a video about Jason Beghe on Google videos. It was 2 hours long. I was entranced by the video. This guy had been heavily involved into the Church of Scientology. His story resonated with mine. Here was a guy spilling his heart out. He had been fooled. He had been tricked. He had given up his mind ,family and friends for a belief. It had started out so innocent and had gone so bad. Jason Beghe was just like me. He just wanted Clear, which was what I was wanting except I called it evidence. His friends and family or anyone who didnt support his beliefs had been shut off from him because they were SP's... I didnt have a name for these people, but I had plenty of Sp's. He talked about how he would have been considered a logical intelligent person before he got brainwashed by the Church and how he couldnt understand how he could have fell for it. I could totally relate. He talked about in his search for Clear, they said they had it. But the more he tried to obtain it, the more unclear he became. The Church would just keep giving him more courses and would just dismiss the old courses that he had gone through, THIS WAS NPT. They claimed that they had Clear, but when the first theory didnt achieve Clear, the gurus just simply flipped all the old research into a new theory, CLEAR was unobtainable and so was proof of NPT. The Church has KSW and the no planers did the same. Keep NPT working, no matter what!
Now that I had began getting my mind back, I began reassessing everything NPT had offered. I wanted to know... did the gurus know that NPT was a scam or were they just wrong yet innocent. I had made friends with a lot of them... or at least a lot of different sock puppets. I figured the best thing to do was not be harsh and accuse people of deception. I still wanted to be friends with these people but I wanted to help them. I decided to go after the HOLY GRAIL of NPT. SEPTEMBER CLUES. Simon Shack was definitely one of them at the top level, maybe only second to Killtown. Killtown did the most "activism" in that he had a forum, a dedicated website, and would be guest on internet radio shows. Killtown also made videos... but not September Clues. AND September Clues was the NPT gateway. I then began to watch September Clues with an unbiased mind. I still wanted to believe people like Simon Shack and Killtown were good people who had just innocently made some judgment errors. I didnt remain unbiased long. September Clues, once disassembled and watched frame by frame and word for word showed intentional chicanery. Simon Shack was not just mistaken about NPT, he was inventing it. He wasnt alone. Others like Killtown, Ozzybinoswald, and CNN911FAKES were too. Ozzy was really out of his mind... the Pandoras box had gotten out of control. He was inventing people and spying on real people. Things were way out of control and I could see it all. _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 475 Location: North London
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: Proper evidence please
Can we come up with answers that put to rest the issues raised by September Clues? And not make do with Anthony Lawson type feelings or speculation. (Such as him saying the Fade to Black point is bogus because the power outage caused it when in reality a power outage cannot cause a Fade to Black, without magic.)
A critique of NPT is needed that isn't bogus. The videos launching the end of Killtown is a series of insulting statements aimed at Killtown not a critique. This is the same tactics used by government shills.
The 'I was a NPT once but now I've seen the light' doesn't help one little bit. There is nothing in what is written that demonstrated that key points of NPT are false. Instead, we just get a lot of emoting.
And we don't need bogus nitpicking of NPT (because one NPT argument is wrong it all is) or character assassination of no planers.
And we don't need people who are more interested in attacking NPT than exploring anomolies with the official story. Like the Fox News 'nose out' argument.
For instance, Anthony Lawson does a job in discrediting the 'nose out'. But, of course, he does next to nothing in explaining what the heck fell out of the other side of the second tower when the plane smashed into it? If the shot was not faked, then something big did fall out. All you need do is look at other shots from other angles of the same incident in order to spot what it was. So, what does Lawson do? He does his rubbishing of the 'nose out' and then forgets everything else. No attempt to find out what the debris was and whether it can be identified in other shots. What is that about?
September Clues brings up many anomalies. Why is it that on some shots of the second hit, the smoke of the building is blowing in the same direction from which the plane comes. But on other shots the smoke is blowing in the opposite direction from which the plane comes?
Why is the background of the buildings faded out so you can't see it? Why do explosions create the holes for the wings after the first plane has hit the building?
Could we have NPT critics who are concerned about real answers rather than rubbishing NPT?
And if NPT is a dastardly disinfo plot, where's the evidence that it has made any difference whatsoever to whether or not people come to believe that 911 was an inside job?
And could someone answer why have NPT as a disinfo plot when we all agree that no plane hit the Pentagon and no plane hit Shanksville?
Can we come up with answers that put to rest the issues raised by September Clues etc
been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
try looking through some old threads in the controversies section and you'll find that all the questions you have raised have been answered - and in most cases thay've been answered over and over again.
or if you want to check the evidence yourself - do what I did when SC first came out, and try comparing what simon shack claims is original undoctored footage in SC with the actual original footage in the september 11th tv archive - and see for yourself how he deliberately manipulates the evidence to create his NPT fairytale, as shown in this thread for example (but there are many others)....
Personlly speaking....
NPT is very seductive. Especially if you remember screaming at the tv on the actual day 'Why the hell did he zoom in then?!' (No, I didn't even think about it consciously after those first few days for months/years, I followed the official storyline)
Its so seductive because you think if you can prove that the media had been subverted on the day or were 'in on it', the whole thing will come crashing down.
Its keeps you hooked because its vague? (not the best word, I'm tired). I've seen debunking efforts by good people but they never really close the case. You stay hooked, hoping that media collusion/subversion will be proven, blowing the thing wide open.
And I don't think you can really snap people out of it, just keep answering their questions and eventually they will see it.
I didn't realize that 911movement forum had closed. That could actually be a hinderence, its what finally snapped me out of it. Its difficult to be sure but you do get the impression that some of them were genuine and hooked. There seemed to be some that had just been saying it for so long that they couldn't go back. And the rest seemed to be VERY subversive. And it becomes very obvious, very quickly. Shame its gone really.
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 475 Location: North London
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: NPT critique evidence
We need a proper, scientific examination of the shots. The NPT criticisms are usually wishful thinking and misleading, as per Lawson's bogus 'fade to black' criticism.
But. I'll go through what you've provided.
Is there a clip other than the Fox News clip that shows the 'nose out' debris exiting the building after the second hit?
actually, it's the npt claims that are usually wishful thinking and misleading - and the "misleading" part is often deliberate. Have you really not noticed this?
and those claims haven't just been "criticised", they've been demolished.
here's a good example of simon shack's misleading npt claims being believed by gullible people using a combination of wishful thinking and poor observational skills - and those claims being comprehensively exposed as complete garbage.
The NPT criticisms are usually wishful thinking and misleading...
I dont see anything wishful or misleading about pointing out that in Septic Clues part C known as "Flying Telephants", the "Al Qaeda" shot is 7 seconds compared with 13 seconds of the "divebomber clip".
Therefore before comparison even begins the clips are already different. Ie...different lengths.
The comparison should begin 5 seconds into the divebomber clip or 5 seconds before the beginning of the al qaeda clip.
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 475 Location: North London
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: OK
Godsavetheteam,
The video analysis presented is an explanation of the CBS steep decline
shot.
But that's all it is. It means the September Clues version could be wrong or wishful thinking. But it is also wishful thinking to argue that it is proof that it is.
Furthermore, it is easy to make criticisms of the video analysis. The comparison between the Fox News shot and the model is significantly different. The straight approach is clearly longer in the Fox News shot. The model could be adjusted to make the approach a better match, I'm not sure.
Also, there is no sign anywhere in any of the Fox News shot of an object doing anything other than making a straight approach, i.e. no sign of any steep decline or any leveling off adjustment.
The fact that Lawson's fade to black argument is bogus, doesn't mean the rest of his arguments do not have validity. (September Clues argued that a fade to black was used to hide the 'nose out' mistake. Lawson argues that the impact affected the TV picture. But a fade to black can only be done in a studio and a signal interference would not produce a fade to black.)
Still haven't found any other shots that capture the large debris in the 'nose out' impact.
Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 575 Location: the eyevolution
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: OK
insidejob wrote:
Godsavetheteam,
The video analysis presented is an explanation of the CBS steep decline
shot.
But that's all it is. It means the September Clues version could be wrong or wishful thinking. But it is also wishful thinking to argue that it is proof that it is.
I disagree.
The model shows clearly that although the flight path looks steep from one perspective, it looks straight from another perspective.
Therefore the claim in Septic Clues that the video of all the "different" flight paths proves they were fake is false.
The model proves that the same angle of a flight path can look totally different from various perspectives.
I really dont see how you can argue against that fact.
insidejob wrote:
Furthermore, it is easy to make criticisms of the video analysis. The comparison between the Fox News shot and the model is significantly different. The straight approach is clearly longer in the Fox News shot. The model could be adjusted to make the approach a better match, I'm not sure.
As I have said, the maker of the model has admitted that his offering is a crude prototype but it demonstrates the point adequately enough.
This?
Note that the "tower" mock up in the model is larger than the actual towers in the adjacent picture. Making them the same size (ie reducing the size of the model picture) would perhaps iron out the discrepancy.
But ask yourself...
A) Is the discrepancy just a result of crude model making?
or...
B) Is there a discrepancy because there were no "planes" in the skies on 9/11 and all the videos are fake as well as all the eye-witnesses and amateur videos.
What's more likely?
insidejob wrote:
Also, there is no sign anywhere in any of the Fox News shot of an object doing anything other than making a straight approach, i.e. no sign of any steep decline or any leveling off adjustment.
But that's the point and it's demonstrated in the model.
The flight path looks steep from one perspective and straight from another.
Thanks for posting this - it's nice to see the no-planes disinfo cult continuing to implode.
Killclown, webfairy and their various hangers on and sockpuppets were exposed as liars/frauds/trolls from the very beginning on this forum, and it's sad that these charlatans nevertheless managed to fool a minority of "know nothing believe anything" posters around here.
Hopefully, they've manged to see through the BS by now, like this guy did....
PART ONE: HOW I BECAME A NO PLANER
well... its hard to know where to start but here I go.
I had taken an interest in all the 911 theory vids that were bombarding myspace bulletins. I found the subject interesting and it seemed that many others were as well. Eventually I came across some no plane videos and watched them. The first couple seemed pretty silly to me. Then I saw a few more and they made a few good points and got me thinking. Most other people into 911 theory were bashing the NPT (no plane theory) so I found that asking others about the vids resulted in harsh conversations. They would say, "thats disinfo... they are trying to bring down the truth movement" The "truth movement" were offering some oddball explanations for 911 themselves, so I thought it was kind of hypocritical of them to act like only their theories were acceptable and decided to be "quiet" about my further investigation into the NPT from that point on. So in effect, the "plane huggers" as they are called by the No Planers, first drew the line in the sand on taking sides. That was a big factor looking back on the fiasco. The No planers were more open to things it seemed. So I kept watching their propaganda vids. Then I made contact with one of them. KILLTOWN.
I knew killtown was one of them but I had no idea at the time that he was one of the top dogs. As I began a "friendship" with him, I soon began to see just how "big" his status was. The no planers saw him as the ultimate NPT guru and the plane huggers saw him as their biggest threat, I had made a lot of friends with the plane huggers so it was difficult as first being friends with both sides, Killtown was getting "kicked out of" forums/chat rooms and updating the list all the time, He made it seem that his information was dangerous and that people were deliberately suppressing his research, This gave him kinda of a martyr persona as he kept on doing his thing, while it appeared that the world was against him. As our friendship grew he let me know that he trusted me and wanted to show me just how dangerous his information was. He would have me log into forums and chat rooms that he had been kicked out of and he would log in under a fake name that would sound appealing to the plane huggers like 911truther or something similar. Then he would privately message me and tell me things to ask the group and to watch their reactions. He would tell me to ask about NPT or to ask about Killtown. The chat room would explode. They hated NPT and they hated Killtown. This was his way of showing me that he was being suppressed. In Scientology terms, these plane huggers were SP's.
THE GURUS: PART 2
The gurus....how many of them were there really? It's hard to even say now. It is evident to me now that many of these people were masking themselves as multiple people. But for now lets go back to the early days,
So it was around late 2006 and I was starting to get more into NPT. I had been researching 911 for about 2 years just a hobby. It didnt consume my life but I put a lot of time into researching all the various twist and turns. I suppose I was a "truther". I was really feeling guilty talking to some of the people on the "truther" aka "plane hugger" side that I had been chatting with over the past couple of years. They were all anti-no planer. But I was making "friends" with all the NPT gurus by now. The truthers were saying that their was a "pod" on the under belly of the plane. They were saying that flight 93 was shot down by our own government. They were saying that the pentagon plane was actually a missle. They were saying that no cell phone calls were made from flight 93. These were some fantastic accusations but they didnt have much in fantastic facts to back them up.
BUT the NPT gurus had even a more fantastic story, One that could make those "truther" planes and all that came with them.... literally disappear. You see UNLIKE Scientology, where after you pay lots of money... then you get the CRAZY story.... the gurus werent after money, you got the crazy story first. The planes werent real. HOW DID I EVER FALL FOR THIS? They were good. They could manipulate videos and package videos better than the truthers. They could take all my confusion away. All the things that the truthers could throw out there but couldnt really explain... the NPT gurus could fix it all. I suppose it was a form of CLEAR. If the planes were fake... and the gurus could prove it with video evidence... that was what I was looking for for 2 years, EVIDENCE!! They had it, and I wanted it. I couldnt get enough of it. The whole 911 "conspiracy" that I had been digging into was now becoming "CLEAR".
But just like Scientology... it seems good at first, it makes ya feel like your on to something that youve been missing. These gurus had found it. At least, they were claiming that they had it. They were all complimenting each other on their new "evidence" and on their quality "research"... but were "they" really just a handful of people patting themselves on the back? AND were "they" manipulating the "evidence"? The answers are: they were inventing themselves as gurus and followers of them selves while inventing the evidence, BUT I was too blinded to see it at the time. I was now a no planer.
PART 3: THE DECEPTION
So now I was a full time dedicated no planer. It was all that I thought about. I was obsessed. Everyday for about 2 years, my life was NPT. I would go to work, then rush home to get on my computer. I had no social life. I would work, watch and make NPT videos all night, sleep a couple of hours, and then do it all over again. My family, friends, and co-workers all thought I was crazy. I was a recluse. But in my mind, they were all SPs. I was on a mission. I was on a quest. I was going to prove them all wrong.
Videos... what a life. lol. I would watch frame by frame of every 911 video... watching that damn plane over and over, frame by frame, into the building. I would do slow mo, I would use filters, I would zoom in. ALL I NEEDED was to find something that the other gurus hadnt found yet. It was a difficult thing to do. The gurus had already been were i was. AND THEY WERE gurus! If only I COULD FIND SOMETHING AND MAKE A VID... I COULD BE PART OF IT ALL. When the rest of the world finally discovered that the planes were fake, I would have a video on youtube date stamped.... showing the world and all the SP's in my life that I really was right about NPT.
I made some vids and got some "atta boy's" from some of the gurus and their followers. Then I made one that I had found some "errors" by the perps. THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED in NPT! You gotta understand at this point in NPT... the working theory was that the majority of any 911 footage was real, and that the perps had used layering. That the footage had evidence of layers, where the plane had been inserted. MAN THIS SOUNDS DUMB AS * NOW! But anyway, the goal was to find things that could show evidence of layering. The best way was to use two different shots and compare the flight paths and then show how the paths contradicted each other. There were other ways to show layers as well but THIS video shows this and this video contradicts THAT always wow'ed em.
I had posted a vid that I thought showed exactly that. I WAS EXCITED! I went to sleep for a couple hours, then got up for work but first rushed to youtube to read all the comments about my findings. I had one comment. AND BY A FREAKING PLANE HUGGER! ARRGH! He said that I had made an error and that I had used an angle of the WTC that was completely wrong to compare to another view, I was a wreck, I didnt have time to see if this guy was right cuz I had to go to work. While I was at work, I reviewed over and over what the guy had written and then it dawned on me that HE WAS CORRECT! *! I had made an error and by now all the NPT people had seen my folly. I went home after work and was expecting to read comments from both sides calling me an idiot. GUESS WHAT? The No Planers, had my back. They said that I had it right. I was happy even though I knew that it was wrong. I later figured it out though. The no planers knew it was wrong too. They had seen those vids more than me. It wasnt about me making a video that was correct... it was about keeping no plane theory working. NO MATTER WHAT. Truth didnt matter. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CLUE OF THINGS TO COME.
PART 4: THE EVOLVING THEORY
The original working NPT theory was this. That the government or a rogue element within the government had hijacked the television feeds on 911 and that the plane had been inserted into the feed. But there were amateur videos and pics floating around so something had to be done about that. On 911 there were videos and cameras confiscated as evidence, then later returned to the owners. This worked out perfect for NPT. The perfect excuse for all the planes captured on film. The evidence had been tampered with. The planes had now been inserted into the amateurs film. This was new territory to explore but a real push was on now to discredit all the amateur footage. The amateur footage had to be forge or the whole NPT theory would fall apart. It also opened Pandoras box. You see, one thing that made NPT so much easier to digest compared to the "truthers" theory was that it was more streamlined. The truthers had so many loose ends and required a very large organized group to carry out the 911 attack. NPT was simple at first. NO PLANES... just a few hijacked media feeds. That seemed more plausible to carry out by a smaller group of perps.
But now, Pandoras box was open... the conspiracy now went beyond the original theory. Now it involved more agencies. More people. More to research. More videos to watch and make. So now the reporters, the police, the witnesses, and eventually even the fireman were suspect to be "in on it". A lot of effort went into proving that the reporters and witnesses were lying. There was a lot of footage to use and someone would always find a way to use it to support NPT.
As time went on more and more witnesses began to speak out. The truth movement had peaked on the web and had bled over into the national media. More people were stepping up that had never been in the limelight. Average Joes were popping up on documentaries on the web, on the news, on radio shows, even the Discovery Channel. You had Rosie on the View and Charlie Sheen speaking out, the Truth Movement was in full stride. The only problem was that too many average Joes were sharing their stories and their stories sometimes included eyewitness accounts of seeing the plane fly into the towers. THIS WAS NOT GOOD FOR NPT.
The matter would soon be "taken care of" by the new working theory that the gurus developed. The whole production was faked! ALL the footage was fake and all the people coming forward were paid actors. All the witnesses in all the original amateur footage were actors. The entire event was a big Hollywood production. ANYONE supporting the government's story OR the Truth movements version was a perp or an actor.
This caused a lot of inner turmoil for me. I had invested so much into believing NPT. Things were not Clear to me at all. I was confused as hell. I had trusted into the gurus research so much in the beginning... how could they flip so easily. How could the theory change so drastically. I thought they had Clear? Should I keep with them? I was a wreck. My common sense was telling me one thing but I was so involved and emotional invested. I wanted the gurus to have the answers. I wanted them to be right about it all. I tried to work the new theory in the best that I could, but I was more messed up than ever now. Then I saw a video about a former Scientologist, he was fresh out of Scientology and explaining his experience. Then things began to make sense.
PART 5: THE REVELATION
I found a video about Jason Beghe on Google videos. It was 2 hours long. I was entranced by the video. This guy had been heavily involved into the Church of Scientology. His story resonated with mine. Here was a guy spilling his heart out. He had been fooled. He had been tricked. He had given up his mind ,family and friends for a belief. It had started out so innocent and had gone so bad. Jason Beghe was just like me. He just wanted Clear, which was what I was wanting except I called it evidence. His friends and family or anyone who didnt support his beliefs had been shut off from him because they were SP's... I didnt have a name for these people, but I had plenty of Sp's. He talked about how he would have been considered a logical intelligent person before he got brainwashed by the Church and how he couldnt understand how he could have fell for it. I could totally relate. He talked about in his search for Clear, they said they had it. But the more he tried to obtain it, the more unclear he became. The Church would just keep giving him more courses and would just dismiss the old courses that he had gone through, THIS WAS NPT. They claimed that they had Clear, but when the first theory didnt achieve Clear, the gurus just simply flipped all the old research into a new theory, CLEAR was unobtainable and so was proof of NPT. The Church has KSW and the no planers did the same. Keep NPT working, no matter what!
Now that I had began getting my mind back, I began reassessing everything NPT had offered. I wanted to know... did the gurus know that NPT was a scam or were they just wrong yet innocent. I had made friends with a lot of them... or at least a lot of different sock puppets. I figured the best thing to do was not be harsh and accuse people of deception. I still wanted to be friends with these people but I wanted to help them. I decided to go after the HOLY GRAIL of NPT. SEPTEMBER CLUES. Simon Shack was definitely one of them at the top level, maybe only second to Killtown. Killtown did the most "activism" in that he had a forum, a dedicated website, and would be guest on internet radio shows. Killtown also made videos... but not September Clues. AND September Clues was the NPT gateway. I then began to watch September Clues with an unbiased mind. I still wanted to believe people like Simon Shack and Killtown were good people who had just innocently made some judgment errors. I didnt remain unbiased long. September Clues, once disassembled and watched frame by frame and word for word showed intentional chicanery. Simon Shack was not just mistaken about NPT, he was inventing it. He wasnt alone. Others like Killtown, Ozzybinoswald, and CNN911FAKES were too. Ozzy was really out of his mind... the Pandoras box had gotten out of control. He was inventing people and spying on real people. Things were way out of control and I could see it all.
insidejob - I'm very sympathetic - we get no traction here other than perspective narratives
The most part is a sneering derogation
As you can see from the relevant links offered
Don't go there brother
It's a waste of time and energy on this forum
Still, I reckon the towers were brought down by a beam weapon with a heavy bomb or two, besides
Please remember that "Pravda"= truth (alongside
with "Isvyestya"=news) was the main organ
> of the Soviet Communist Party. The joke in Warsaw during Soviet
times: "Nyetu pravdy v
> Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde" meaning: "There is no
truth in Isvestya (the news)and no news
> in Pravda (the truth)"
_________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:44 am Post subject:
paul wright wrote:
insidejob - I'm very sympathetic - we get no traction here other than perspective narratives
The most part is a sneering derogation
As you can see from the relevant links offered
Don't go there brother
It's a waste of time and energy on this forum
Still, I reckon the towers were brought down by a beam weapon with a heavy bomb or two, besides
It really does astound me how advocates of the various "alternative" theories out there view the questioning of their beliefs.
Time and time again questions have been raised about NPT,TVF & DEW etc and hardly ever if at all do any of the advocates of said theories respond rationally to the counter evidence presented.
Instead we just get claims of victimisation, derogation and censorship.
You are not truth seekers. You're the worst kind of "conspiracy theorists".
You just believe something without question and never ever accept evidence to the contrary.
You either ignore the evidence to the contrary or just claim that it's somehow targeted toward you personally.
It shows an over emotional attachment to a belief system and an utter lack of critical thinking.
insidejob - I'm very sympathetic - we get no traction here other than perspective narratives
The most part is a sneering derogation
As you can see from the relevant links offered
Don't go there brother
It's a waste of time and energy on this forum
Still, I reckon the towers were brought down by a beam weapon with a heavy bomb or two, besides
so in other words - you should not question what the tv fakery/beam weapons cult tell you, and should definitely avoid looking at anything which clearly shows that their claims are either based on deliberate attempts to mislead or incompetence (or both). after all, clinging to blind faith in discredited garbage and pretending to yourself that it hasn't been completely debunked is what truth seeking's all about.... _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde
insidejob - I'm very sympathetic - we get no traction here other than perspective narratives
The most part is a sneering derogation
As you can see from the relevant links offered
Don't go there brother
It's a waste of time and energy on this forum
Still, I reckon the towers were brought down by a beam weapon with a heavy bomb or two, besides
so in other words - you should not question what the tv fakery/beam weapons cult tell you, and should definitely avoid looking at anything which clearly shows that their claims are either based on deliberate attempts to mislead or incompetence (or both). after all, clinging to blind faith in discredited garbage and pretending to yourself that it hasn't been completely debunked is what truth seeking's all about....
That's an utter distortion of what I said and a reiteration of the dismissive attitude which discourages me and many others from making much comment on these issues - there's always attack dogs willing to come in and say the matter is settled and the plane sceptics and the explosive cd sceptics are intellectually-impaired lunatics - much like climate change sceptics are ridiculed by warming-huggers (!)
You are one claiming these matters are settled and the predominant theories (real planes/controlled demolitions) are proved beyond doubt
I would say that maybe that's right, maybe that's wrong
I see that on the Haiti thread there's not too much dispute that earthquakes could be caused technologically. What's the difference?
The Notes from the Borderland cultists accuse the whole Truth movement of being a cult.
This forum's mainstream 911 Truth cultists accuse the NPT/beam weapons people of being a cult
It's a Hall of Mirrors
Know where you're at, gruts?
How about Hurricane Erin?
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:03 am Post subject:
Quote:
I would say that maybe that's right, maybe that's wrong
I see that on the Haiti thread there's not too much dispute that earthquakes could be caused technologically. What's the difference?
A massive one
We know that earthquakes can be triggered technologically. That's a long way from proof that Haiti was caused BY technology
Even if we had anything else than belief to prove the existence of, say, space based beam weapons that could take out the towers, its not proof any such technology was used
We know its possible to make a nuclear bomb: does that mean everyone killed by a bomb was killed by a nuke?
This is the kind of faulty reasoning others are RIGHT to call us "mindless cultists" for (etc etc) if that is all we are able to display: and shockingly, some people who have chosen to attach themselves to 9/11 Truth (and many many other areas of truthseeking) ARE mindless cultists
But then, so are many JREF'ers
A certain amount of mindless cultishness when it comes to beliefs seems Universal
But there is little more in keeping with a cult like denial of a reasonable consensus reality than the insistence the massive evidence of Planes used at the towers is actually proof no Planes were ever there
Meanwhile one of the key pedlars of that malarkey, who I personally told about a year ago that his actions constituted compounding treason, has buggered off
And about time too _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
Meanwhile one of the key pedlars of that malarkey, who I personally told about a year ago that his actions constituted compounding treason, has buggered off
And about time too
Treason, ooh er I thought that was the preserve of the current politicians and the Royal family, John
Anyway I still hold that the plane/building melt in and the nose in nose out shots still hold elements of doubt, though I'm disinclined to get hysterical
You go with what you like, and so shall I
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject:
paul wright wrote:
Quote:
Meanwhile one of the key pedlars of that malarkey, who I personally told about a year ago that his actions constituted compounding treason, has buggered off
And about time too
Treason, ooh er I thought that was the preserve of the current politicians and the Royal family, John
Anyway I still hold that the plane/building melt in and the nose in nose out shots still hold elements of doubt, though I'm disinclined to get hysterical
You go with what you like, and so shall I
Compounding treason is something any citizen can do if they aid and abet the primary culprits to get away with the crime
Sabotaging 9/11 Truth with theories Killtown knew were made up bs (because he made them up) certainly counts: and Killtown knew that
By all means Paul, continue to doubt the "melt" and "nose in" shots
Maybe your right
Maybe those shots are fake
Could they have been faked as part of a psy-op to discredit the rest of the genuine evidence?
Would be a rather cheaper and simpler strategy than faking every single shot of a plane that day
Personally, I believe that video being messed with and over 75% of the original information being removed entirely explains both shots, but I mention the above merely to point out some consequences to consider if we were to speculate that it is your view, not mine, which is correct _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:11 am Post subject:
paul wright wrote:
You're saying your view's correct John
Ok, thanks for that
Well my opinion of Killtown is of course my opinion. I believe I have reasonable grounds for holding that opinion
As far as my view of the NPT evidence is concerned, yes I do believe my view is correct. Otherwise I would hold a different view. I am not someone who would put forward a view in the pretence I think it is correct
I put forward a scenario to you in relation to your own view. You chose not to engage with that scenario in discussion. And that's fine _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
I feel I should probably stay out of this as usual John.
Still I will say this. The NPT if it's going to be mentioned at all needs a cool analysis. On the whole it seems to involve hyped up clowns from either side coming into rampant conflict, weighing in as always
insidejob - I'm very sympathetic - we get no traction here other than perspective narratives
The most part is a sneering derogation
As you can see from the relevant links offered
Don't go there brother
It's a waste of time and energy on this forum
Still, I reckon the towers were brought down by a beam weapon with a heavy bomb or two, besides
so in other words - you should not question what the tv fakery/beam weapons cult tell you, and should definitely avoid looking at anything which clearly shows that their claims are either based on deliberate attempts to mislead or incompetence (or both). after all, clinging to blind faith in discredited garbage and pretending to yourself that it hasn't been completely debunked is what truth seeking's all about....
That's an utter distortion of what I said and a reiteration of the dismissive attitude which discourages me and many others from making much comment on these issues - there's always attack dogs willing to come in and say the matter is settled and the plane sceptics and the explosive cd sceptics are intellectually-impaired lunatics - much like climate change sceptics are ridiculed by warming-huggers (!)
You are one claiming these matters are settled and the predominant theories (real planes/controlled demolitions) are proved beyond doubt
I would say that maybe that's right, maybe that's wrong
I see that on the Haiti thread there's not too much dispute that earthquakes could be caused technologically. What's the difference?
The Notes from the Borderland cultists accuse the whole Truth movement of being a cult.
This forum's mainstream 911 Truth cultists accuse the NPT/beam weapons people of being a cult
It's a Hall of Mirrors
Know where you're at, gruts?
How about Hurricane Erin?
some things are settled paul - whether you care to admit it or not.
I haven't dismissed the tv fakery/space beams stuff out of hand. on the contrary, I have spent a great deal of my time checking out the evidence, debating it and coming to the conclusion that it's bogus.
and it happens to be a fact that all the claims I've ever seen on this forum to do with tv fakery and space beams have been comprehensively debunked.
hurricane erin is a case in point.
if you disagree, how about explaining what's so significant about it, in view of this thread....
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