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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: persuading the peace movement Reply with quote

This long term peace campaigner explains why he didn't take seriously the issue that there was something wrong with the official 9/11 conspiracy theory, and what eventually led him to look at the evidence and to change his mind.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUISz8Uwh6A
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY9IlDDpvzc
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Bte5ULPD8
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCzHeCCDp74&feature=related


Is it a bit long for newcomers to the issue?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too long?
One feels certain leading denialist peaceniks should be forced to watch it with their eyelids plucked open Clockwork Orange style
A very measured and articulate presentation from someone with a long distant and sudden realisation
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good sensible stuff... regrettably I feel part 1 was a little long winded and will give many who would benefit from hearing it an "excuse" to turn off:(
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent summary of the "trigger event" that was 9/11 in 37ish minutes.

But the trade off starts around 4 minutes 45 seconds in part 4,and everyone here should know what I'm talking about.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry Zwicker on 911blogger on the same theme:

2.5.10

The Peace Movement versus the 9/11Truth movement

by Barrie Zwicker

What goes with the “split” between the anti-war movement and the 9/11Truth movement? Some light was shed on this regrettable reality in Boston the weekend of Jan. 30-31, 2010. On Saturday New England United (NEU), an umbrella group, held an anti-war strategy conference. The next day Northeast 9/11Truth held its strategy conference, in part an analysis of the previous day’s events.

As both a lifelong member of the peace movement, and a committed 9/11Truther, I attended all of the Saturday conference where I was a workshop leader, and the first half of the Sunday conference (having to leave early because of travel arrangements). My main points:

1) There is a split but it has not been initiated, nor is it maintained, by members of the 9/11Truth movement. Truthers stand just as proudly and tall in their opposition to war as anyone in the peace movement. Truthers also are just as fully dedicated to the goals of justice, equality and environmentalism as are anti-war activists.

2) The split is unilateral from the anti-war movement’s side, especially from leaders and organizers. Those at the grassroots level trust and take their cues from the leaders. The result is a widespread attitude toward 9/11Truth that ranges from scepticism to outright hostility. This is why I choose the heading “The Peace Movement versus the 9/11Truth Movement.”

3) A leading cause of the unilateral split is the work of planted agents of the state – spooks -- whose instructions are to do this splitting. The Chinese call such agents “splittists.” The peace movement has been around for decades, so there’s been loads of time for the national security state to install numerous agents within it. Added to their usual instructions to slyly foment divisiveness within peace groups and derail effective anti-war actions are new orders to combat the dynamic truth movement.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well highlighted Mark,however you can't be a real truther if you endorse
the message of the other monster "false flag on humanity" that of the proposed environmental catastrophe scenario stated on here at around 4 minutes 45seconds:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the video soon after you posted because of the comment you made.

I now know that I understood the meaning of your comment vis the claimed supposed impending environmental catastrophe.

Seems like this chap is delivering his somewhat tardy 9/11 epiphany but replacing one layer of apparent former ignorance with the latest global scam being foisted on our species.

From what I know of his work, I do however respect Barry Zwicker.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul wright wrote:
Too long?
One feels certain leading denialist peaceniks should be forced to watch it with their eyelids plucked open Clockwork Orange style
A very measured and articulate presentation from someone with a long distant and sudden realisation


Yes I agree it's too long to present to people who are new to the 9/11 issue. Certain movies are better at capturing some people's interest. Press for Truth is perhaps the best for that. I told that to the guy who sent me this.
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